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Praying To Dead People

The Orthodox church venerates (i.e., assigns spiritual power to) the dead, calling them "saints" and praying to them for spiritual blessing.

Is this considered blasphemy?

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Here we have the contrast of living and dead in Nicole's verse show a different nuance to these words. It's not saying you can pray to the physically dead but spiritually alive in heaven because they are said to the spirits of the righteous in heaven we see in Hebrews 12:22-24. We also see in Hebrews that Jeuss is the ONLY mediator of the new Covenant between God and man.

No scripture says these spirits of just men made perfect can hear you or that we are to contact them in any way...as we see Saul in the OT was severely punished for disobedience in trying to contact a physically dead person. No NT scripture said that changed. The verse is about eternal life not prayers to those who have eternal life now asleep in the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/19


Which Words by Jesus do you not believe?

Matthew 22:31-32

But concerning the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what God said to you: I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? He is NOT the God of the dead, but of the LIVING.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/11/19


Ruben, Philipians 3 also show the fellowship of His sufferings being made conformable to His death..... Being Crucified with Christ....I die daily, the sufferings of this present age are not to be compared to the Glory that is to follow...THOSE WHO SUFFER WITH HIM WILL ALSO BE GLORIFIED TOGETHER WITH HIM.......All in scripture, all addressed to the CHURCH, the Body of Christ. We are HIS BODY.

Not sure why you have an issue with Pauls statement here. We are the SUFFERING CHURCH ON EARTH. PICK UP YOUR CROSS AND FOLLOW HIM....
---kathr4453 on 8/11/19


kat:

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished, neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.


Any questions?


---jerry6593 on 8/11/19


kathr4453 playing God, and rewriting scripture. The Corinthians carnal as they were Paul addressed as SAINT.

Paul wrote this,

Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christs afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church (Col 1:24)

Is Paul playing God? What is lacking in Christ's affliction?


kathr4453* You all do say
" O Virgin Mother of God, Mary full of Grace. the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, for you have born the Savior of our souls"

She is a virgin, Mother of God, and she gave birth to the Savior. The other words are in scripture!
---Ruben on 8/11/19




1Cor 3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's,

Cluny, I only obey scripture in this area. The BOC, no one is exalted one above another either, but all in submission to the Lord. This is a foreign thought to the ORTHODOX, who exalt CERTAIN SAINTS over others, exalt Church Fathers over the Word of God, and put their faith in the Wisdom of man and not in the Power of God. No where, not even in scripture am I called to VENERATE anyone but the Lord. I can respect someone without greatly admiring them. I can obey/ respect authority over me re police, and still not venerate them. I thought you were a literary genius? Oh that's right, perfect spelling doesn't mean you understand your perfectly spelled words.
---kath4453 on 8/9/19


Scripture calls every believer a saint. However, the RCC and ORTHODOX deciding who is and isn't qualified to be a saint is again playing God, and rewriting scripture. The Corinthians carnal as they were Paul addressed as SAINTS.

You all do say
" O Virgin Mother of God, Mary full of Grace. the Lord is with you. Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb, for you have born the Savior of our souls"

Is this in present tense prayers? You think she hears you today saying this? And if not....why are you praying this? Mary had more children after Jesus birth. Are they some sort of God offspring from Mary? How do you resolve that issue?
---kathr4453 on 8/9/19


Venerate does not mean as you have defined it here, kathr.

It is no more blasphemous than to honor (or venerate) the memory of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, and other famous people.

Of course, I've noticed it's hard for you to honor or show respect (venerate) for anybody on these blogs.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/9/19


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