Yes, exactly. The Old Covenant was the Convenant of Moses - that was defined by a bunch of rules that said "Don't do this! Don't do that!" - ten on stone, and 619 in total.
The New Covenant, that we Christians are under, IS NOT LIKE THAT. Jesus said that the two MOST important laws were to love God and love your neighbor, and that ALL of the Law and the Prophets are derived from this.
But that isn't enough for you. You want to keep all the baggage that Jesus specifically freed us from. Being bound by the New Covenant isn't enough for you. You force yourself to obey the old one as well. I'm curious if you obey ALL of it, or just pick and choose.
---StrongAxe on 8/27/19|
The Old Covenant was to Israel. The New Covenant replaced the old, but no scripture says the New Covenant replaced the Covenant made with Abraham....430 years before the Old Covenant. AND the Covenant made with Abraham cannot be the NEW COVENANT since we'll have to add how many more years to that 430.
The Covenant with Abraham, Paul explains in Romans 4 and Galatians is still in effect today called THE EVERLASTING COVENANT , says nothing about any keeping of a sabbath. No where in Galatians is the word Sabbath mentioned. However CHRIST BEING FORMED IN YOU IS.
Obeying the Gospel according to the MYSTERY.....CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY cannot be ACHEIVED by keeping the sabbath. Only by ENTERING INTO HIS REST.
---kathr4453 on 8/27/19|
ax: "Yes, but unlike the Jews, WE are not under the Law."
Then you are NOT under the New Covenant.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
So you never heard of the mixed multitude, eh [Canadian lingo]. They were Egyptian, Arab, etc. Also called strangers and specifically mentioned within the Sabbath Commandment.
---jerry6593 on 8/26/19|
The term Spiritual Jew or Modern Israel etc are not even in scripture. A spiritual Jew is a JEW who may have , (like Paul a REAL BLOOD JEW, from the tribe of Benjamin ) who put his faith in Jesus Christ, and received the promise of the Holy Spirit RE WALLA =Spiritual Jew. If Jerry a gentile has done the same he's a spiritual Gentile. Now in GODS EYES Paul explains in Ephesians that in this dispensation God has chosen a company of folks out of Jew and Gentile believers making "IN HIM" one NEW MAN. The NEW MAN IN HIM is not called a Jew or Gentile.
You see once Jesus rose again, we see Him no more AFTER THE FLESH, therefore being in Christ is not being IN a JEW. We are IN GOD. Colossians 3:1-4. And GOD is not a JEW.
---kathr4453 on 8/25/19|
Here's where some misunderstand scripture. In Deut 10:13, 30:6, all talk ISRAEL CONCERNING circumcision of the heart. These were the REAL Spiritual Jews, as Romans 9-11 state, not all Israel is Israel but in Isaac will thy seed be called. Just being a Jew didn't guarantee salvation. Jews were Gods LIGHT on earth, just as Christians today are the LIGHT.
So Romans 2:23-29 never states a gentile becomes a Jew, but that his Uncircumcision is counted as circumcision of the HEART in Gods eyes...and Jew here is equated to the word Christian. A CHRISTIAN is not outward, but INWARD. And circumcision OF THE HEART IS STILL NOT IN THE FLESH OR IN THE LETTER OF THE LAW. Philippians 3. It's nuts Gentiles claim to be Jews based on Romans 2.
---kath4453 on 8/25/19|
16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new..
Doesn't say all things become Jew.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
---kat453 on 8/25/19|
You wrote: There was a mixed multitude of non-Jews at Mt. Sinai.
Really? Who, exactly? (and if you're quibbling that "Israel" and "Jews" are not the same, a distinction Jesus himself does not make, then merely replace my use of the words "Jews" with "Israel", and the issue remains).
Are you in Christ? Then you are a spiritual Jew.
Yes, but unlike the Jews, WE are not under the Law.
---StrongAxe on 8/24/19|
Samuel THE CHURCH is not grafted into Israel. Romans 11 in no way teach believers are Israel. Romans 11 clearly teach AFTER the fullness of the Gentiles come in then God will again turn to Israel. The Church is a whole new thing NEITHER JEW OR GENTILE. It's not one or the other. It's a very simple sentence to understand. Neither means neither.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19|
Yes I saw the documentary. They follow a different Jesus and work to control the Government.
The Church is the Modern Israel. Those in the church and those who are under the New Covenant made with Israel.
Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Romans 11:12 24
Take time and read these Bible verses. The Church is still Israel.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/23/19|
Jerry, your belief comes with a false belief that You are the remnant spoken in Revelation 12. WRONG. Interestingly enough the JW's believe THEY are the 144,000. Again a false belief that both of you have thinking you as GENTILES are robbing the REAL JEWS of scripture concerning them. You are NOT a remnant, ( that which is left from the original) of Earthly Israel. You are not the PHYSICAL DESCENDENTS OF JACOB. If you think you are, please take a DNA TEST to prove. And don't spiritualize away your belief that because you keep the law and sabbath you are a Jew. Your not. You have stolen anothers identity. It's called IDENTITY THEFT.
REV warns against those who say they are Jews and are not. The warning is against you and the JW's.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19|
There is no scripture saying anyone is a spiritual Jew. There are many spiritual Gentiles ....scripture says those IN CHRIST are neither Jew or Gentile, but a NEW CREATURE.
THIS PART again those who think they are spiritual Jews think they still keep the law. They have to believe they are spiritual Jews to believe they are under the Law. However Abraham and ISAAC were not Jews. Jacob and his earthly descendent were Jews. The WHOLE POINT of Abraham is showing its not being a Jew that counts or being under the Law.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19|
ax: "God spoke the Ten Commandments TO THE JEWS. *WE* are not Jews. 10C were not given to *US*."
You could not be more wrong, and you contradict the Bible.
Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for MAN [not JEWS]. Are you a MAN?
There was a mixed multitude of non-Jews at Mt. Sinai.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Are you in Christ? Then you are a spiritual Jew.
---jerry6593 on 8/23/19|
I totally agree with Strongaxe here. Galatians is the perfect book to go to on this subject. Paul goes into depth that the law is NOT of faith. And we live by FAITH. That the Covenant God made with Abraham still stands today OVER the law given to Israel 430 years later...it did not annul the covenant given to Abraham concerning the salvation of GENTILES. And that Gentiles were NEVER under the Law, and the Law was only a schoolmaster UNTIL FAITH CAME.
Jerry and the SDA reject ALL of the NT, and that is why many consider SDA a CULT who put Ellen White's teacings OVER scripture.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19|
No, you don't understand me correctly. There IS a universal, absolute truth, but we see through a glass darkly, so we all percieve that truth differently.
God spoke the Ten Commandments TO THE JEWS. *WE* are not Jews. 10C were not given to *US*. If God had wanted to give them to the whole world, he would have done so. He did not.
Paul was an actual scholar of Jewish law, and personally called by Jesus. You and I are not. I trust HIS interpretations of what parts of the Law Christians are required to follow better than yours. I've told you two teachings of his on the Sabbath, but you always explain them away as they inconveniently conflict with your personal beliefs. You trust your own church over Paul.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/19|
ax: If I understand you correctly, you are of the opinion that there is your truth and my truth, but NO universal, absolute God's truth. In other words, God's Ten Commandments, which he spoke to all the Jews and the mixed multitude at Sinai, and transcribed in permanent stone with His own finger, were merely Ten SUGGESTIONS from which we can pick and choose and re-interpret as we see fit. Does that about sum it up?
I emphatically reject your thesis as absurd! What good is a LAW if everyone does what he thinks is best in violation of that law?
---jerry6593 on 8/22/19|
If people want to boycott Netflix because it has bad stuff, then they should also boycott the internet because it also has bad stuff. Makes sense to me. :)
---JS1234 on 8/18/19|
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The bottom line is this:
*MY* job as a Christian is obey the commandments of God, as *I* understand them.
*YOUR* job as a Christian is to obey the commandments of God as *YOU* understand them. Your job is NOT to condemn others for obeying the commandments of God as *YOU* understand them, and then condemn them if they don't live up to your expectations.
---StrongAxe on 8/18/19|
You STILL DON'T GET IT. I don't kill people. Thus, I am keeping "Thou shalt not kill". I don't rob people. Thus, I am keeping "Thou shalt not steal". Does it really matter WHY I am not doing those things? Some don't do them because a book tells them not to. Others don't do them because they just KNOW it's wrong - because God's law is written on their heart, so they no longer need the book. This was SPECIFICALLY prophesied in the Bible.
And, AGAIN, Paul SPECIFICALLY TOLD US that WE MUST NOT allow others to judge us with respect to the Sabbath - so I WOULD BE DISOBEYING THE WORD OF GOD if I paid attention to you when you judge me on the Sabbath law.
---StrongAxe on 8/17/19|
ax: "We don't NEED 10C, because if we love God and neighbor, WE ALREADY FOLLOW THEM."
If you truly love God, you will keep HIS Commandments, including the one He told us to REMEMBER! The Sabbath Commandment shows love to God by respecting His claim to creatorship.
ALL of the disciples of Christ kept ALL of His Commandments. None of them claimed that they were exempt from them. Even Paul, whom you claim gives you an exemption, kept the Ten Commandments. Anyone who claims to be under the New Covenant must necessarily have this Law written on their heart.
---jerry6593 on 8/16/19|
Yes Strongaxe, and remember Jim Jones was also praised by presidents and politicians.....
---kathr4453 on 8/15/19|
We don't NEED 10C, because if we love God and neighbor, WE ALREADY FOLLOW THEM. If you love your neighbor, you won't lie, kill, still, envy, or commit adultery. You automatically obey them WITHOUT NEEDING TO BE TOLD.
I don't kill people. I don't rob people. Etc.
Trump may not disavow 10C, but I showed how he blatantly violates most of them, and BOASTS about doing so. His comments about going after women (even married ones) are legendary. He boasts in his book that cheating contractors is good business practice.
Jesus said the man who DOES something is better than the one who SAYS he does them, but does not.
---StrongAxe on 8/15/19|
Yes, exactly! That's one common characteristic of cults. Many that call themselves "Christian" use rhetoric like "the Bible says this, but what God REALLY wants (and I know because He talks to me directly, and I am His Choesn One), is the exact opposite!".
Jim Jones, when he was still in California, before he took his followers to Guyana and convinced them to commit suicide, was known to throw the Bible down on the floor and stomp on it, saying that people should not read it, because it conflicted with what he was teaching. That is a major red flag right there.
---StrongAxe on 8/14/19|
weak hatchet: Once again you demonstrate your hypocrisy by blaming someone else (Trump) for not keeping the Commandments JUST LIKE YOU. I've never heard Trump disavow the Ten Commandments the way you have. All you are doing is showing your agreement with him in violating the Law. I'm sure he's a sinner in need of a savior the same as you and me, but he doesn't brag about his violation of God's Law (sin) the way you do.
---jerry6593 on 8/15/19|
(Continued from Tell Them To Leave):
One has a choice: Either one does not kill, steal, covet, commit adultery, lie, worship other gods, etc. because it violates the Ten Commandments, or because they violate Love God and Love Your Neighbor.
Either way, one should NOT do these, and one should NOT praise and follow one who does these things and boasts about them.
I say *YOU* should not follow Trump because *YOU* believe the Ten Commandments and he violates them. *I* should not follow because *I* believe Love Your Neighbor, and he violates THAT. Either way, Trump is bad news from both a Jewish and a Christian perspective.
---StrongAxe on 8/13/19|
What's satanic is the documentary cult leader telling these young men it's not the "sheep" God is looking for, but the WOLF, because God wants to make out of him a WOLF KING. a strong leader.( like Stalin , Kim, etc) seeing as STRENGTH....and now we have a WOLF KING, Donald Trump...who was already told he was one of Gods ELECT, another one must be. ( his presbyterian teaching) Well, we do have a wolf... And after seeing this ..I ask again....is Trump a precursor to the beast? Crippling farmers in the MW, (our food supply,)ETC ETC ETC
Look how far we've fallen from true Christian values...yet still acceptable by so called Christians? THE ANTI_Christ will be endorsed by apostate Christianity.
---kathr4453 on 8/13/19|
You have the nerve to call Obama "Satanic". What's your evidence for that? Still forgetting about "Thou shalt not bear false witness"?
Yet Trump demonstrably breaks 9 of the Ten Commandments on a regular basis, yet you don't care about that, and constantly "Praise God for Trump".
Why is your moral compass so unbalanced? Why don't you execute equal judgment, and measure both of them with the same yardstick?
---StrongAxe on 8/12/19|
Interestingly enough God never asks us to Boycott anything. I remember years ago our church actually told us to boycott this and that because of this or that. It didn't go over well. My question was, " should we then boycott ALL grocery stores , electric co and gas companies etc, because they sell to this one or that?" You would have to boycott all of life and all in it to boycott your list of sin and sinners. God said we are in the world, but not of this works. Jesus didn't boycott the tax collectors or harlots ....
But I find the Pharisees of today do.
---kathr4453 on 8/12/19|
\\ We can't be a part of anything Satanic, and that's what Obama is.
---jerry6593 on 8/12/19\\
I'm no fan of Obama, but only God Himself can know for sure what you said about him.
And I doubt that He revealed it to you, jerry.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/12/19|
Cluny: However, boycotts are ineffective.//
Sorry, but you are wrong.
//They never affect those who make the objectionable decisions,//
Angie's list had to make their website free after many cancellations including me.
***Bill Oesterle, co-founder and chief executive of Angies List, announced he is stepping down from his position just weeks after the company took an outspoken stance against Indianas Religious Freedom Restoration Act.--The Daily Signal April 23, 2015
Target sales went down AFTER their bathroom rules changed.
I stopped going to Target.
Many boycotts are successful.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/11/19|
cluny: We didn't cancel with Netflix to financially harm them (although they have suffered losses), but rather as a matter of principle. We can't be a part of anything Satanic, and that's what Obama is.
---jerry6593 on 8/12/19|
jerry, Obama has nothing to do with my life, and I just ignore him.
However, boycotts are ineffective.
They never affect those who make the objectionable decisions, but only the minimum wage peons on the bottom of the pyramid.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/10/19|
Too bad. I've seen 4 of the 6 and what an eye opener. How Russia is exploiting our religious freedom to infiltrate our government, as they did the prayer breakfast with their NOW KNOWN Russian spies. And of coarse with Trumps delight. It really exposes something that has been going on for over 80 years...
Why are you on CN if you feel soiled even by the name of Obama in these threads? That is so childish, and again shows an immature ignorant heart. Who said NETFLIX has to be approved by Fox and Friends? I wonder, have you ever watched anything on YouTube? If so...you are a hypocrite.
---kathr4453 on 8/10/19|
kat: I cancelled my Netflix contract when they hired Obama.
---jerry6593 on 8/10/19|