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Can anyone show me the scripture that commands the keeping of Sunday in honor of Christ's resurrection? Many people use this excuse, but I can't find it.

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Kat: "There was no law before Moses"

Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Did you know that Abraham came before Moses?

You just don't get it Katty. God was not kidding when he gave the Ten Commandments. They are eternal, irrevocable, permanent and binding on all intelligent creatures. It was the handwriting of ordinances that was nailed to the cross - not the tables of stone.

If the necessity of keeping God's Holy Law could so easily be set aside by legislative fiat, then Jesus Need not have died to save us. Didn't you know that the same OT Law is written on the heart in the New Covenant? Jesus kept the entire Law.
---jerry6593 on 3/12/20


law & grace DO NOT MIX? Sin is the transgression of the LAW. Paul says that we all SINNED, we all transgress the Law of God for the wages of SIN is DEATH. when we ask for forgiveness Christ pardons or gives us GRACE. SO are we to SIN or transgress the Law of God after we are given GRACE? of course not. so kathr4453 is preaching LAWLESSNESS. Peter said to be careful of LAWLESS men twisting the writings of Paul. observing the Law of God is EVIDENCE of our faith, evidence of our GRACE.
---mike on 3/12/20


The Bible speaks of the 10 commandments as being the ministry of death and condemnation in contrast to the more glorious ministry of the Spirit. Read 2 Cor.3: 7 Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end,will not the ministry of the Spirit have even more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory.

As to the law, we establish the law by our faith. Ro 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
---riolion on 3/12/20


strongaxe keeps using Romans 14:5 one man esteemeth one day above another when it DOES NOT say anything about worship. it talks about to eat or to fast.
isaiah 66:23 says about worship 7th day sabbath to sabbath. sunday is NOT holy, God did NOT rest, or sanctify it. even christ did not sanctify 1st day in honor of the resurrection. instead of obeying God, sunday believers obey man like ignatius, barnabas or the church fathers found in the cathecism of the Roman catholic church
---mike on 3/11/20


Samuel, Romans 5 refute your opinion. There was no law before Moses, yet sin and death was/ is in the world since Adams fall.

Secondly, Galatians refutes your opinion. Law and Grace do not mix, so says GODS WORD GALATIANS 2:20-21.

Jerry also putting us under Kingdom law now too...Isaiah and Zechariah as we were discussing, is impossible, although those who came into Galatia were as confused as you SDA's are is exactly what Paul was warning about explaining WHY the two don't mix.

Thirdly, We are under GRACE, not law ...ROMANS 6:14 Is clear to me. I will follow scripture here and not personal opinions.

Three supporting scriptures is enough for me. Yet there are probably hundreds , not three supporting GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 3/10/20




Kathyr

When we follow the Ten Commandments we are not putting ourselves under the Old Covenant. We are following Jesus. John Wesley who funded the Methodist church spoke of the Ten Commandments being for Christians. Martin Luther wrote a Catechism on keeping the Ten Commandments. John Calvin wrote on the Ten Commandments being for Christians.

If the Ten Are gone than lying and murder are no longer sins. True they thought Sunday is now the Sabbath. But they still kept Sabbath. I will not fault them for that. But when you attack the law of GOD. You are attacking the words of Jesus, Paul and the Apostles. Read the Bible. Read Romans 6.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/10/20


Jerry when you obey the Kingdom Now verses to cut off your hand or poke out an eye, (Matthew 18:9, Matthew 5:29-30 ) I'll believe you can do all at the same time. You also must go to Jerusalem once a year to do what Jerry...and if not, Jesus will make sure your property will receive no rain. You don't obey these commands showing you are a hypocrite and false accuser. Just all talk and no action. Remember if you live by these laws YOU MUST OBEY ALL OF THEM. Zechariah 14:16-17.....Until then, you're all wet behind the ears with your bazaar doctrine. Accuse all you want Jerry, but I simply do not share your beliefs. And you don't even obey what you claim to say you believe.
---kathr4453 on 3/10/20


Jerry here is where you make no sense. You claim you can keep the Law, FAITH, Grace and Kingdom NOW theology all at the same time. If you really understood the difference between the Old Covenant and the New, and understood what Paul was teaching as what happened in Galatia, you would know that it is IMPOSSIBLE. Scripture clearly says THE LAW IS NOT OF FAITH. Galatians 3:11-12. And scripture states the JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH. Hebrews 11 is awesome and not one verse says anything about the Law. Even Moses FAITH, not law keeping is where GOD exalts him.

So maybe you are creating a BUT issue all on your own without any scripture to support your BUT.
---kathr4453 on 3/10/20


Kat: "I believing ALL SCRIPTURE, but"

It's the "BUT" that kills it.

I believe the entire Bible. Period. No buts. God does not change. He does not cancel His own Law just because we "feel" that He should. We either obey Him or we don't. Why are you so opposed to simple obedience?



---jerry6593 on 3/10/20


Jerry, Isaiah and Zechariah all talk about the millinnial kingdom reign of Jesus Christ Jesus spoke about in Matthew 24-25, referring to a time AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION. That time has never been done away with, and will come to pass AFTER THE CHURCH IS FORMED. This is the MYSTERY HIDDEN but now revealed, (Colossians 1:24-27, ) Romans 16:25-27. We now live in this time of the GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY..which is Christ in you, forming the Body of Christ. Just understand all those who make it through the Great Trib and live for those 1000 years are not the body of Christ.

I believing ALL SCRIPTURE, but believe each dispensation has different rules etc God puts us under. Today we are under GRACE. Not kingdom now theology.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/20




Katty: What you say contradicts the Scripture I quoted from Isaiah. Do you seriously expect me to take your word above the Word of God? If you think that Paul's writing in the New Testament supplants that of Isaiah, then you are misinterpreting Paul. All the New Testament Apostles upheld the writings of the Old Testament writers.

The Bible is the only common ground for our discussions. I can't abide any contradiction to it.


---jerry6593 on 3/8/20


Jerry we're not now in the 1000 year reign, as Jesus is not here yet on His Thrown, and the whole world is not coming before Him to worship YET. That's in Zechariah 12-14, AFTER THE GREAT TRIBULATION, before the New Heaven and earth where there is no sun or moon...Rev 20-21. There will be no sabbath rests in the NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH.

Very few will make it through the Great Trib HERE ON EARTH...about 1/3 of the population...

Jerry I do believe in scripture, and have rightly divided the Word of Truth, and don't disgard any as you seem to disgard the New Testament, and Pauls warning in Galatians 1. You follow an accursed teaching of KINGDOM NOW theology and dont know the difference. I do. I take Pauls warning VERY SERIOUS.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/20


Katty: "Jerry question, does Jesus still keep the sabbath day? NO."

How do you know this?

Isaiah tells us that we will keep the Sabbath forever in the earth made new.

Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one SABBATH to another, shall all flesh come to worship before ME, saith the LORD.

Again, why not try it God's way rather than man's way? What have you got to lose?



---jerry6593 on 3/7/20


Jerry question, does Jesus still keep the sabbath day? NO. So how exactly does the body keep the sabbath, if the HEAD does not? There are no weeks days or nights in heaven. We are seated WITH CHRIST IN HEAVENLY PLACES NOW. EPHESIANS 2:6.....is NOW JERRY. Please refer to Romans 6 and Colossians 3:1-4 concerning How we got there.
---kathr4453 on 3/7/20


katty: "Jerry, I live by faith in the word of God."

If you did, you would live according to its precepts. Observance of the Sabbath day is commanded throughout the Bible, but the keeping of Sunday is not. Jesus kept the Sabbath day. Don't you want to follow Jesus? Do you think he is more pleased with obedience or disobedience?

I also worship God every day of the week, and not only on the Sabbath as you assert.



---jerry6593 on 3/7/20


And Jerry, I spend every living minute with the Lord. I spend more time with the Lord than you do. Do you only spend one day a week with your wife? Such a silly comment. It shows you have no clue what it is to be IN CHRIST. We are HIS BODY. And He is head of our body, our very life. Christ lives through me, and I Live through Him, 24/7/365.....not just 24 hours as you claim you do. It's one thing to live for Christ one day a week, and quite another to live IN CHRIST every moment of every day, being filled with the Spirit of the Lord, being changed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord here and now.
---kathr4453 on 3/3/20


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Jerry, I live by faith in the word of God....All of it, even where it says the law is done away IN CHRIST. I believe Galatians is for one, God's word YOU reject. The chapter is Law vs Grace. And Colossians 2 point to a future time, not TODAY, as we are not living in the 1000 year reign now. The law is not of faith, and I LIVE BY FAITH...GALATIANS 2:20-21.

Your religion is earthly and fleshly, my faith is above and spiritual. I'm sorry you don't understand this. My faith lives in a higher plain than yours. My flesh that was controlled by the Law IS DEAD, and now my NEW MAN can bring forth fruit.....something you can't do, as the flesh cannot produce fruit....Just read the first part of Romans 7.
---kathr4453 on 3/3/20


Dear Kathyr
I believe in all the Bible not just one verse. True we worship GOD every day. But GOD set aside one day to walk away from the world to spend quality time with GOD and helping others.

So Exodus 20 does not exist in your Bible? Also Jesus spoke on the Sabbath over 40 times. So why do you say he is not talking about a day of worship?

The Bible says we will meet on Sabbath in the New Earth. Isaiah 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

True we come to Jesus through his blood. So why do you not wish to spend one day a week in quality time with GOD?
---Samuelbb7 on 3/3/20


katty: I give you Scriptural reasons for keeping the Sabbath day, and you give me your personal theory and feelings on the subject. I'm sorry, but I can't ignore the Word of God to satisfy someone else's feelings. Why don't you "come on up" and just try it God's way for once? You might like it.


---jerry6593 on 3/3/20


Jerry, I'm a Colossians 2 believer. I believe we worship God 24/7/365 and no verse COMMANDS any day of the week for that matter. Those who have CHRIST IN THEM, and are a NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST , are also described in Colossians 3....seated with Christ IN HEAVENLY PLACES ETERNALLY, and are forever in the Love of God in our new home. Hidden with God in Christ dead to this world has no weeks days or months.

We are AT REST IN CHRIST, forever, we live in a perpetual sabbath rest IN HIM. Come on up Jerry, you have no idea what you are missing out on. But first you have to come THROUGH THE CROSS...ROMANS 6-8.
---kathr4453 on 3/1/20


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katty: Where does the Bible command the observance of Sunday in honor of the resurrection? It doesn't.

It does, however, command the observance of the Seventh-day Sabbath. Are you the Papacy, that you believe you can change God's Law?


---jerry6593 on 2/29/20


Really Jerry, who's flippantly dismissing anything? We CELEBRATE THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. Since Jesus rose from the dead on the 8th Day, no longer in the grave on the 7th, God showing all the way back to creation, that He Finished His Work on the 7th just as Jesus said IT IS FINISHED, that was also prophecy pointing to Jesus death and resurrection FOREORDAINED BEFORE THE VERY FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Hebrews 3-4 explain this, yet why do you not understand it? Has not the Holy Spirit Our TEACHER pointed this out to you? WHY?..Because the answer to your ignorance is in 2 Corinthians 3.
---kathr4453 on 2/29/20


kathr: Do you also flippantly dismiss the other nine of God's eternal Commandments?


---jerry6593 on 2/22/20


Jesus is not a day of the week. However when we enter HIS REST, Hebrews 3-4 we don't need to keep a day of the week. As Christ is our very life, He is not living on our time table, but we are now on His, seated with Him in heavenly places IN CHRIST, where there are no days or nights....

The WORK of 6 days and resting on the 7th had to do with spiritual work, aka the yoke of bondage, those He said in Matthew 11:28 COME UNTO ME AND I WILL GIVE YOU REST, as we ALSO see the whole of collecting Manna for 6 and not on the 7th is explained AS WELL in John 6 that Jesus HIMSELF is that bread.

Only the Lord can enlighten you in this area.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/20


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You can't find a place where it says to keep Sunday because it is not there.

Jesus is our Lord and Savior. Not a day of rest during the week. So why are you trying to make Jesus a day of the week? Sabbath is to take time apart from the world. To worship together, Do good deeds to others. Rest and study the words of GOD. So many people keep saying they never have time to read the Bible.

But on Sabbath you have plenty of time to read the bible. Just turn off the TV.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/20


The Sabbath is no longer a matter of TIME (Jesus ended the AGE OF TIME,."He came at the end of the age...").

Jesus is our ETERNAL Sabbath...."the fullness (end) of time" Ephesians 1:10).


Heb 13:20 by the blood of the eternal covenant,

Heb 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a NEW covenant,...ETERNAL inheritance,


Deu 33:27 The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms..


Rom 16:26 eternal God, to bring about the OBEDIENCE of faith--


Heb 9:14 through the ETERNAL spirit.... purify your conscience from dead works to serve the living God.


Gal 6:8 he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap ETERNAL LIFE
---faithforfaith on 1/17/20


\\Do not confuse the method with the message. The Jews have their worship on Saturday,\\

wive, did you read what I said on 5 September?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/8/19


Mark 2:27 The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath."

Do not confuse the method with the message. The Jews have their worship on Saturday, which is fine, Protestants have their Day of Worship on Sunday, which is also fine. The method is you can worship God anytime you want. The message is to Worship God. To say it has to be a certain day is legalistic. It was practical to have Sunday worship in the early church because most of the new converts were Jewish and did not want to be in competition with the Jewish worship. (Many of the new coverts had family & friends who were Jewish & the new coverts would have causes more damage than good by having their day of Worship on Saturday.
---wivv on 9/8/19


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mike, I no more worship the sun on Sunday than you worship Saturn on Saturday.

As a matter of fact, there were DAILY services, morning and evening in the Tabernacle AND Temples, and still are in traditional synagogues, not merely on Saturday.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/19


Exodus 35:2
For six days work shall be done, but on the seventh day you are to have a holy Sabbath of complete rest to the LORD. Whoever doeth any work therein shall be put to death.

Jerry, if the NT sabbath is exactly as the OT, why are you all not also keeping the legalistic part of the Law and kill those breaking the sabbath?

It's kind of a non law if not enforced.

Where are your arrests, inprisonments, trials and executions?

You cant have one without the other. Also NO NT scripture shows any killings of anyone not keeping the sabbath, and no scripture states Gentiles were to be put under the sabbath.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: The Sabbath is to be kept in the New Testament just as it was in the Old.

Please cite chapter and verse IN THE NEW TESTAMENT that says we have to do this.

Just follow the example of Jesus and the Disciples and you can't go wrong.

Yes, let's do that!

Did Jesus and the Apostles condemn murder, theft, adultery, perjury, covetousness, idolatry, blasphemy, false swearing, and disrespecting of parents? Yes.

But it's curious that neither Jesus nor any Apostle commanded keeping the Sabbath or condemned Sabbath breaking. In fact, One Apostle specifically said we should not allow anyone to judge us in this. Why do you not follow the example of Jesus and his disciples?
---StrongAxe on 9/2/19


What did Jesus and the disciples do on the Sabbath, according to the New Testament?
---JS1234 on 9/2/19


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js: The Sabbath is to be kept in the New Testament just as it was in the Old. That is, Exo 20:8-11, without any man-made changes as the Pharisees or the RCC tried to make. Just follow the example of Jesus and the Disciples and you can't go wrong.


---jerry6593 on 9/2/19


JS1234, that is an excellent question. No doubt keeping it according to the OT required pages and pages, laws upon laws and consequences upon consequences clearly stipulated to those in the OT. And it included MORE than just going dormant during Sabbath. Food had to be prepared the day before..no cooking, etc.

So we know under the NT, many of the OT would be impossible, so where is that detailed list of NT LAW for Sabbath Keeping. And where are you told to no longer stone someone to death for breaking the Sabbath Rest?
---kathr4453 on 9/2/19


JS1234:

The answer to your question is similar to the answer to jerry6593's question:

There is nothing in the New Testament that commands us to observe the Sabbath, nor that tells us how to do so.
---StrongAxe on 9/2/19


Nobody seems to be able to answer my question.
---JS1234 on 9/1/19


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ax: Why are you so obsessed with disobeying only one of the Ten Commandments?

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

Where do you find the scripture that says that Jesus and the Disciples rejected the Sabbath as you do?



---jerry6593 on 9/1/19


I'm still wondering, if Sabbath observance is required, how does one observe it according to the New Testament?
---JS1234 on 8/31/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: And why do you insist that I am judging you? It is God that judges us all by His Ten Commandment Law - not ME.

That very statement is tantamount to "You are wrong and God will punish you for it" - which is judging me.

I have asked you many times, but you have never answered - WHY are you SO OBSESSED over the Sabbath commandment? Why do you spend such an overwhelming time arguing this ONE ISSUE on many many blogs here, more than all other commandments? The Bible has much to say about idolatry, murder, covetousness, adultery, perjury, and many other sins, yet you almost never talk about those. It says little about Sabbath observance, yet that seems to be your primary focus. Why is that?
---StrongAxe on 8/31/19


strongaxe - read colossians again. it did not say judging people who worship other than 7th day. it says people who worship on the 7th day sabbath. the correct context is the pagans in colossia are judging the believers WHO worship on the 7th day & celebrate the feasts of the LORD. again you are twisting the scripture. paul & the apostles NEVER worshipped on other days or celebrated pagan holidays like christmas, easter.
---mike on 8/31/19


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Can you give us any scripture that forbids it, jerry?
Worship is not even mentioned in the Decalogue.

Glory to Justim martyr pope ishtar
---Cluny on 8/23/19

christ & the apostles NEVER worshipped, observed the 1st day, pagan holidays like christmas, easter or lent. christ never claimed 1st day as a HOLY day.
---mike on 8/31/19


axster: "Yes, God commanded that. But he commanded that to the JEWS, not to us."

Are you really that slow? I showed you this several times:

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for MAN [NOT JEW].

Are YOU a MAN or not?

And why do you insist that I am judging you? It is God that judges us all by His Ten Commandment Law - not ME. I uphold your freedom to sin against God by violating His Law. You can lie, steal, murder, covet, worship idols or whatever you like and then claim you are free to do it because you think Paul authorized it and because you have "love". But, there will be a price to pay.


---jerry6593 on 8/31/19


So why then is there a keeping of the day of SATURN. If your gonna use Sunday as the SUN Day, you must use Saturday as SATURN DAY.

HOWEVER SCRIPTURE HAS BOTH THE 7th and the 8th day ( The 8th day is the first day after the 7th) as a sabbath rest in the OT too. That day pointed to Jesus Christ, and 8 means NEW BEGINNINGS.

just because someone named the 8th day SUNday, doesn't defile it anymore than naming Saturday after Saturn defiles it.
---kathr4453 on 8/26/19


mike:

NOWHERE in the Bible does it say we are to WORSHIP on the Sabbath or we are FORBIDDEN to WORSHIP on any other day. Can YOU find any? I asked this question many times, but so far, no Sabbatarians have EVER shown any. Can you?

Colossians 2:16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

So we VOLATE SCRIPTURE if we let you judge us in this.

Romans 14:5: One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

So YOU violate scripture if you don't allow us to make up our own minds.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/19


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the church 'forgers' say to worship on 1st day. but church 'forgers' are not in the bible.

the twisted verse like strongaxe like to quote is 'one day esteeemeth over the other'. that does NOT even say WORSHIp but thanksgiving. also, who is strongaxe to make any day holy. that is blasphemy. only God can make a day holy. of course there will be some sort of 'excuse'

Can you give us any scripture that forbids it, jerry?

And what exactly does "keeping Sunday" or "keeping the Sabbath" mean, anyway?
Glory to justin martyr
---Cluny on 8/23/19
exactly, there is NO keeping or worship on day of the SUN.
---mike on 8/26/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: I would like for you to acknowledge that the KEEPING of the Sabbath is commanded by God

Yes, God commanded that. But he commanded that to the JEWS, not to us.

the KEEPING of Sunday is a man-made counterfeit.

Wrong. God never commanded us to "NOT KEEP" Sunday, or any other day, or almost everything else, like books.

I would like YOU to acknowledge that you have no right to judge me, or anyone else, on how we keep the Sabbath, as Paul commanded us.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/19


For the last time Jerry...why do you disobey scripture. The shadow of THINGS TO COME, will be the 1000 year reign where the Kingdom Law spoken in Matthew will be enforced.. TODAY, THE BODY OF BELIEVERS IS OF CHRIST, WHERE WE HAVE ENTERED HIS REST. Please know the difference.

Colossians 2:16-17

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 8/26/19


ax: One more time.



I would like for you to acknowledge that the KEEPING of the Sabbath is commanded by God and the KEEPING of Sunday is a man-made counterfeit. We can argue keeping vs. worship later.



---jerry6593 on 8/26/19


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Samuelbb7:

You wrote: Leviticus 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Yes, but to understand what that means, you need to understand the context. This is not talking about the weekly sabbath. The whole chapter 23 is about feasts.

5: 14th day of the 5th month: passover
6: 15th day of same month month: the feast of unleavened bread for 7 days:
7: first day of unleavened bread: no work
8: seventh day of unleavened bread: no work (the verse you quoted)
---StrongAxe on 8/25/19


Keeping the Sabbath is part of worshiping GOD. The day is Holy set aside as a time of worship. A Holy Convocation.

Leviticus 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/25/19


On Aug. 13, he said: Could you imagine if these people treated me fairly? The election would be over. Have they ever called off an election before? Just said, "Look, lets go, go on, four more years.", and later joked about serving a 3rd and 4th term.

After FDR was elected to a 4th term, Republicans, afraid of lifelong dictators, passed the 22nd Amendment. Now, one of their wants to become the very thing they worried about.

Trump swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, yet he constantly shows that he either has no clue how it works, or knows but doesn't care. He is constantly trying to rule by fiat. He sees himself as dictator, not president. We should all be greatly worried.
---StrongAxe on 8/25/19


It's obvious Trump is a train wreck commanding American business to leave China, saying he is the chosen one, the King of the Jews whatever... I can't help but wonder what nonsense these apostate Paula White and such are putting in Trumps head. These are things others are putting in his head, and his ego, narcissism is believing it. Shame on the Republicans for not putting and end to all of this....also not only repairing relations with our allies, but also not exploiting Trumps mental breakdown for their own purposes. If perhaps this ends all confidence in the Republican Party and ends the party....what good can come of that too? Loving Children know when to take the car keys away from Gramps so he doesn't kill himself or others.
---kathr4453 on 8/25/19


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Strongaxe, that's why I've asked here a couple times if they thought Trump was a prelude to the Anti_Christ. The anti-Christ will make a covenant of hell with Israel, and then turn on Israel. Yes....it's frightening how Trump has ingratiated himself with Israel, etc.

And yes The WOMAN who rides the beast is apostate Christianity riding on the back of political powers, just as we are seeing. The beast will also turn on these fake Christian in name only people. But they do help give him his power.

If he's reelected, there is something more sinister behind the scenes with the help of other countries. Let's see what happens.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: I never mentioned worship in this blog - either in the blog question or in my responses.

Not in this blog, but you do so in other blogs on this subject.

I would like for you to acknowledge that the KEEPING of the Sabbath is commanded by God and the KEEPING of Sunday is a man-made counterfeit. We can argue keeping vs. worship later.

Again:
1) What, exactly, does "keeping" mean?
2) What scripture says "THOU SHALT NOT KEEP ANY OTHER DAY EXCEPT THE SABBATH"?

Did God command you to condemn others about how they observe the Sabbath or not? I don't know any scripture that tells you to do so. Yet Paul SPECIFICALLY tells you NOT do. So why do you disobey him?
---StrongAxe on 8/24/19


Also Strongaxe this is something else I see. I know prophecy will come to pass regardless. If we are living in this time where we will see such things, we will see famine. We see Trump crushing our farmers. Drought....we are already seeing the distruction of our rivers lakes and oceans that are affecting global disturbances in our atmosphere, he's weakening global economy , causing hate towards one another, he loves dictators and evil leaders...another sign of end times....his idea of thinking he's a dictator...easy for someone like him to fill those shoes who will claim they can FIX his mess. I don't think Trump is the AC, because he's a fool in the eyes of the world. He I believe is being used to make way for the AC. Just a thought.
---kat453 on 8/24/19


kathr4453:

Funny that you would mention "King of Israel".

In the past few days, Trump has called himself "The Chosen One", and favorably referenced someone else who said that Jews in Israel called him "King of Israel" and "The Second Coming of God" (something that Jews in Israel strongly denied).

Since one of the telltale signs of the Antichrist is that he would exalt himself, claiming to be God (and part of Satan's fall was claiming equality with God), I was fully expecting Evangelicals and other Christians to cry out in outrage over this, yet all I am hearing is crickets. That, plus his outrage that Denmark wouldn't sell him Greenland. When will people wake up and smell the insanity?
---StrongAxe on 8/23/19


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ax: "YOU keep asking about WORSHIP."

Lying about my posts doesn't help your cause. I never mentioned worship in this blog - either in the blog question or in my responses.


"what you are altering his words into."

I copied the scripture directly from the KJV Bible. I would never knowingly "alter" scripture.


I would like for you to acknowledge that the KEEPING of the Sabbath is commanded by God and the KEEPING of Sunday is a man-made counterfeit. We can argue keeping vs. worship later.


---jerry6593 on 8/24/19


jerry6593:

God wrote "REMEMBER THE SABBATH TO KEEP IT HOLY" - but that is NOT what YOU are asking. YOU keep asking about WORSHIP.

He did *NOT* write "THOU SHALT WORSHIP ON THE SABBATH, AND ON THE SABBATH ALONE", which seems to be what you are altering his words into.

I keep asking you, as you ask here, what scriptures REQUIRE worship on the Sabbath, and what scriptures FORBID worship on other days. You NEVER answer this - for one good reason. You know very well there are no such scriptures.

The Bible does NOT say Jesus worshiped on the Sabbath. It said he TAUGHT on the Sabbath. The synagogue is a place of TEACHING. The Jewish word for it means "school". I never said "not keep".
---StrongAxe on 8/23/19


I could see Jerry and Company upset if there was a law forbidding Saturday Worship. But to insist everyone must obey the sabbath is insisting one lives in a Theocracy and he the King of Israel or whatever. There are no inquisitions here, and we live in a nation where Jerry can freely practice his own faith ...so why not let others practice according to their own conscience. It doesn't make sense.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19


ax: "The question remains: WHY is this SO important to you?"

Because it is so important to Him! He wrote with His own finger in stone, and commanded that we remember to keep it holy. He never changed it.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

How can it be unimportant to you?
---jerry6593 on 8/23/19


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StrongAx

Again there is a command to keep Sabbath. Now you say Genesis does not mention worship. But the day is set aside as Holy. Right there and is a blessed day.

Jesus worshiped on Sabbath. So are you saying that Jesus didn't know that Sabbath is not for worship. Sabbath is mentioned over 50 times in the New Testament. Why is that saying to not keep it?

Leviticus 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
So Jesus and the people knew it was and still is a time of worship.

The Ten Commandments apply to Christians. Covenant Theology from Protestant History.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/23/19


Can you give us any scripture that forbids it, jerry?

And what exactly does "keeping Sunday" or "keeping the Sabbath" mean, anyway?

Worship is not even mentioned in the Decalogue.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 8/23/19


jerry6593:

I had already given that answer several times, and so had several others, so I'm curious why you kept saying that nobody had answered it.

The question remains: WHY is this SO important to you? And WHY is is so important to ANYONE?

NO scripture COMMANDS worship on the Sabbath, and NO scripture FORBIDS worship on other days. Why do you get so upset when others go to church on Sunday (or Wednesday, or any other day for that matter)? This is something you have never properly explained. You keep avoiding this very obvious and very relevant question.
---StrongAxe on 8/23/19


ax: Congratulations, you actually got it right. Such an excuse for dismissing God's handwritten law is indeed EXTRA-BIBLICAL.


---jerry6593 on 8/23/19


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And the reason Jerry you won't find any COMMAND is because Christianity is a personal relationship with the Lord...not Jews under the Law...which was an organized religion UNTIL FAITH CAME. We've been set free from all that. We are FREE TO CHOOSE any day we want to worship....and even choose EVERY DAY IF WE SO PLEASE.

I'm free to choose any Church I want, free to choose what I wear, what I eat....

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/19


jerry6593:

You wrote: Here is the blog question again:
Can anyone show me the scripture that commands the keeping of Sunday in honor of Christ's resurrection?


And here is the answer again: No, nobody can show such a scripture, because there isn't one.

Asked asked and answered.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/19


ax: "People HAVE answered the blog question"

Here is the blog question again:

Can anyone show me the scripture that commands the keeping of Sunday in honor of Christ's resurrection?

That's the question. Now what's your answer? Try to focus this time.



---jerry6593 on 8/22/19


When we enter HIS REST we are SET aside aka separate And sanctified aka holy. Worship in Spirit And truth. And IN HIM we are holy as He is Holy. If only the SDA understood what riches we have IN CHRIST. No one in the OT were IN CHRIST. It was an outward external law that pointed to Christ Himself. He fulfilled that law IN HIM. Everything we need and do is now IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/19


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Samuelbb7:

You wrote: Genesis 2:2,3 ...

One thing conspicuous here by its absence is "Worship". It is about rest, NOT worship. "Sanctify" means "Make holy", and "holy" means "separate". The Sabbath is different form all other days, in that it is a day of rest, not work.

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Exactly. The Sabbath was God's gift of rest to man, so that man wouldn't slavishly toil day in, day out. It's not a day to slavishly follow a bunch of commands.

Acts 13:44

Again, note the total absence of Worship here. It is about preaching, NOT worship.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/19


First part there is no command to worship on any other days. But there is also no command to not worship. In many ways we are to worship every day. There is nothing wrong currently in worshiping on Sunday.

But there is a command to worship on Sabbath. Given first in Genesis.

Genesis 2:2,3 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Acts 13:44 My question is why do you say this command of GOD is repealed?
---Samuelbb7 on 8/22/19


jerry6593:

People HAVE answered the blog question, many times. You just refuse to listen. Or did you disingenously ask the question, not to get an answer, but to prove to everyone else that there isn't one?

kathr4453 wrote: no one commands any keeping of Sunday either.
JS1234 wrote: There are no commands in the New Testament to keep any particular day.

Now that this question has been answered, the question remains: WHY are you SO OBSESSED with this? I have asked you that before, several times, but you have never answered it.

Refuted my points how? You have NEVER shown a scripture that COMMANDS worship on the Sabbath, and you have NEVER shown a scripture FORBIDDING worship on other days.
---StrongAxe on 8/21/19


Three swings and three misses. Can no one answer the blog question? I ask it because it is one of the most common excuses for keeping a false sabbath day. There is no such scripture, yet many "religiously" cling to it as if there were.


ax: The same tired, irrelevant deflections that have been refuted many times. Get some new stuff.




---jerry6593 on 8/21/19


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jerry6593:

You (and other Sabbatarians here) are constantly talking about "keeping" the Sabbath, but you interpret this as requiring worship.

Can you show scriptures commanding WORSHIP on Sabbath or FORBIDDING worship on other days? I keep asking this question, yet nobody ever answer it.

I also asked you whether you personally fulfil Biblical Sabbath requirements (no work, commerce, travel, cooking, lighting fires, etc.), Driving to church (or anywhere), grabbing a snack after church, nuking a sandwich, (or to be pedantic, even turning a light switch off or on) are all forbidden. If you can't say "NO" to each and every one of these, you have no business criticizing others for not keeping the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 8/19/19


Also Jerry, no one commands any keeping of Sunday either. It's just what many do who celebrate the day Jesus rose from the dead, rather than worship a Jesus still in the grave. Without His resurection there is no forgivness of sin to begin with. The proof God accepted Jesus sacrifice on the Cross is the proof of Jesus Resurrection. But hay, if you don't believe Jesus paid it all, and you feel you need to pay for your own sin by keeping the law...then why aren't you all stoning one another for that sin?
---kathr4453 on 8/19/19


We are now FREE to be married to another and free to worship God 7 days a week , bringing forth FRUIT. Romans 7. Since heaven is now our home, Colossians 2-3, and in heaven there are no days or nights or even a calendar.....it's awesome. Praise God for those who have ENTERED INTO HIS REST from the foundation of the world. The 7th day of Creation pointed to the finished works of Christ on the cross. This is what Hebrews 3-4 is telling us.....and a promise left us of ENTERING IN. We don't have to keep it ...we now are called to ENTER IT. And you ask HOW do we enter? Hebrews 10....THROUGH THE VEIL, THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH... A NEW AND LIVING WAY AKA I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST. Romans 6 and Galatians 2:20-21.
---kathr4453 on 8/19/19


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