Can Satan Be Forgiven
It is easy to tell other people to do what Jesus says. Anyone can do that. What we really need to do is take a good look at ourselves, and assess how we're measuring up.
---JS1234 on 9/13/19|
js1234 said, "Satan can be forgiven, and will be forgiven eventually. I have no doubt of that at all."
---john9346 on 9/13/19|
(Romans 11:6) And if by grace, then it is no longer by works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it be by works, then it is no longer grace, otherwise work is no longer work.
In other words....if the love of God can be obtained by merely keeping the Law of Moses, God is no more than a task master, owing his servants a wage.
So...How do gain the Love of God the Father? According to his Son, it is by making Jesus Christ your Lord, (John 14:21). Believe it,...or not?
What gives us the right to call Jesus, Lord? (Luke 6:46) And why call ye Me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
---David on 9/13/19|
Kathr, good point.
---JS1234 on 9/9/19|
JS1234 the NT was wtirtten to Jews and GENTILES under A NEW TESTAMENT....
1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in MY BLOOD: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.
Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/19|
Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.
I'll have to study up on Universalists to see if they deny redemption through the blood of Jesus Christ.
( this was ALSO WRITTEN TO GENTILES UNDER GRACE) YIKES JS1234.
No Jew was saved by animal blood. And everything in the OT under law was a PATTERN of all things pointing to Jesus Christ and HIM being the LAMB OF GOD who takes away the SIN OF THE WORLD , not just sin of the Jews under the law. For UNDER THE LAW NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED.
JS1234, it's frightening how much you don't know or don't understand.
---kat453 on 9/9/19|
7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches OF HIS GRACE,
NT GRACE /reconciliation cannot be separated from the BLOOD OF HIS CROSS. Colossians 1:20
The GRACE OF GOD that brings salvation....... Is clearly stated in Ephesians 1:7. We have been redeemed WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS. REDEEMED MEANS SALVATION. 1 Peter 1:19
---kath453 on 9/9/19|
Are we 'under the law'?
"Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins." (Hebrews 9:22)
---JS1234 on 9/8/19|
Scripture is quite clear that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. And without the forgiveness of sin, one is still in their sin. And the wages of sin is death.
Scripture is also clear not of works, or the law. No amount t of works can make you sinless again. And no scripture states at the second resurrection ones works will give entrance to ETERNAL life. Your reading something into it that is not stated.
Abel offered a blood sacrifice. Abel was 1 st generation ....And Cain's bloodless sacrifice was rejected. It's never changed.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/19|
Many of you folks think that the "blood" (Christ's death) is the ONLY way to eternal life.
But what about the people who never knew God, or Jesus, or sinning, or repenting, but still did the will of God, not knowing it's the will of God? Isn't it written that there are to be two resurrections? (the first of those who believe in Christ and the second all the others according to their works - some to everlasting life, some to everlasting death.
---Steveng on 9/8/19|
Yes it's absolutely true, only the shed blood of Jesus can wash away our sin. Romans 3:25 FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. Yep our own shed blood cannot save us. Only the spotless lamb of God can. Justified BY FAITH. THAT WORD FAITH AGAIN.
By Grace THROUGH FAITH.....Lets not overlook the full sentence.
Now not all men have faith.
2 Thesselonians 3:2 and those men are considered EVIL WICKED MEN, just like described in Jude.
Don't be misled folks, Romans 10:9-10 say IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART......so there IS SOMETHING YOU MUST DO Before you can be saved. Just look at the Book of Acts.....many Jews repented and BELIEVED JESUS is the Son of God, and many did not. I don't see where they ALL were added to the Church...do you?
---kathr4453 on 9/8/19|
Salvation is entirely God's work. There is nothing that we can do to get ourselves saved. This is really good news because I know for sure there is nothing about me, and there is nothing that I have ever done, that could make God save me.
"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."
- Ephesians 2:8-10
---JS1234 on 9/7/19|
Yes God is a Merciful God. That's why He gave His only begotten Son. But those who reject His Son .....not so merciful. Those who have reject the Gospel not so merciful, 1 and 2 Thesselonians.
To twist 1Corinthians 13 and say God OR we don't see evil,when in fact there is evil...is really twisting things. Do we pretend a RAPIST didn't commit rape and invite to dinner? Not pay for their crime...because HAY, prison is not love? Let the registered pediofile play with your children because HAY....You're gonna think no evil ?
That's NOT what 1 Corinthians is about. Because we are also warned that Satan is roaming around like a lion looking for his next meal. Hope it's not you JS1234.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/19|
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Now I already know how JS1234 will answer the previous post...saying as he has before...if God wants to feed me to Satan, then it's Gods will. Universalists take NO responsibility. que sera sera but LOOK, WE ARE TO BE SOBER AND VIGILANT first...aren't we?
Just as we have been WARNED about perishing and everlasting punishment. There is no que sera sera here. No scripture teaches such a thing. WE are to repent, believe and OBEY..Romans 10:9-10, .Romans 16:25-27. Romans 6-8, Romans 12:1-2....just for starters.
---kath453 on 9/7/19|
God is love
Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because GOD IS LOVE. (1 John 4:7,8)
God is patient and kind, God does not envy or boast, God is not arrogant or rude. God does not insist on His own way, God is not irritable or resentful, God does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. God bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (1 Corinthians 13:4-7 adapted)
We have a wonderful God!
---JS1234 on 9/6/19|
Daniel 12:2 - And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake , some to everlasting life , and some to shame and everlasting contempt
( Universalism doesn't work ! - I can fill up the rest of this threat here with verses on this ! - it just doesn't work ! )
---Richard on 9/6/19|
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I believe if Satan wanted to be forgiven, we would see the effects of that now....( by not seeing so much evil in the world) so I would say no he doesn't.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/19|
---JS1234 on 9/5/19|
Yes that was the subject. Seems like someone here wants to turn EVERY thread into universalism. I hate when that happens. Cherry pickin to try to prove what is not in scripture...but only in their wishful Thinking.
Everlasting punishment must have a different meaning to some.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/19|
What I find odd is why so many have died preaching a gospel that says EVERYONE WILL BE SAVED NO MATTER WHAT. GOD IS RECONCILLING EVERYONE, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. So go and SIN till your hearts content, because it just doesn't matter..you'll be saved in the end YIKES! AND WRONG!
1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
---kath4453 on 9/6/19|
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I think we can agree that Revelation...that which was written AFTER all the other epistles is the SUM AND SUBSTANCE of all from Genesis to Revelation.....states that not everyone will enter the Kingdom of God. And no scripture in Revelation makes any such statement those WITHOUT AKA OUTSIDE will ever ever be reconciled and enter in. It ain't gonna happen.
So, be responsible in telling others the truth that if you have never repented, having your sin WASHED AWAY ...by the blood of the Lamb, your name simply is not gonna be in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. And no demons or Satan have their names in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE.
---kat453 on 9/6/19|
The real question is does Satan WANT to be forgiven.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/19|
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation, to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
- 2 Corinthians 5:18-19
God is reconciling the world to Himself. If there is an eternal hell, God will fail in his endeavor. But God will not fail. God will reconcile the world to himself. It is a wonderful thing.
---JS1234 on 9/5/19|
The most dangerous thing is to build a doctrine around one verse. This is how we got snake handlers.
So we know ALL does not include animals trees, birds,etc,which were also affected by the fall. But I have heard it preached, according to that verse that every living animal from Adam on will be made alive in Christ.
In Adam all die....but not all are IN CHRIST....only those IN CHRIST will be made alive. Animals, trees etc are not IN CHRIST.
You Have to receive Jesus Christ to be IN CHRIST and He IN YOU.
New angers teach God is in everyone and everything. This is false doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/19|
the way to be IN CHRIST is to first be baptized INTO HIS DEATH, and THEN raised up together with Him are now IN CHRIST. Not everyone is IN CHRIST.
Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Romans 8:10 And IFChrist be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
---kath453 on 9/5/19|
1 Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."
Yes! This is the perfect verse! Everybody dies in Adam, and everybody is vivified in Christ. It will happen! It's the most wonderful thing in the world!
---JS1234 on 9/5/19|
I believe Jesus Christ died for ALL. But not ALL will receive the gift of salvation. Calvinist's also need to remember a GIFT is not FORCED on anyone, anymore than universal salvation is FORCED on all. Now to balance the two sides out....we also have scripture stating WHOSOEVER WILL. AKA AN INVITATION to receiving the GIFT of salvation.
1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us, because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/19|
Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the New Testament , which is shed for Many for the remission of sins
( Christ die for All or Many ? )
Ephesians 5,25 - Husband love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church an Gave him self for It,
( Did Christ give himself for the World ? or for the Church ? )
Hebrews 9:28 - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of Many: and unto them look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to Salvation.
( Once again did Christ die for All or Many ? )
---RichardC on 9/4/19|
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"If I be lifted up" refers specifically to Jesus' crucifixion. He died for all humanity. It is the most wonderful thing that ever happened in history. We should embrace it and rejoice!
---JS1234 on 9/4/19|
Well there is a problem with your verse ....IF "I" BE LIFTED UP. The problem is, others are being lifted up: Michael the AA, MOHAMED, BUDAH, and all those anti-christs people say...here is the Christ there is the Christ.
So will they be saved in the end of they were drawn to something else?
Please support your answer to that specifically with 2-3 supporting scriptures.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/19|
Yes you are right, angels are not men. Or women. But God will save all men and women, that's for sure. I am so happy for this.
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Greek 'drag') all men unto me."
- John 12:32
---JS1234 on 9/3/19|
Well JS1234, Angels are not men. So that verse does not apply to Angels or fallen angels. ALL MEN, is what it says. But not ALL men will be saved, because God has give us a free will to reject salvation.
So yes it is in Gods will that His desire is that all men be saved. So listen up Calvinist's who say God only picked certain men to be saved.
This is the WILL OF GOD THAT YOU BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
But we see man has a will too and many have chosen not to believe.
Don't confuse Gods WILL for some power force you can't resist. The Jews in Acts were said to have RESISTED the POWER of the Holy Spirit. And no scripture states they were overcome by Gods will and changed their minds.
---kathr4453 on 9/3/19|
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"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."
1 Timothy 2:3-4
As it says here, God wants everybody to be saved. If God does not get what he wants, then he is not God. So rejoice, because God has only good in the store for every person.
---JS1234 on 9/3/19|
Though God does not like sin, he understands that since we are born with the seed of sin, we will sin. God knows Satan is more powerful than we are, and Satan uses the seed of sin, the seed he planted in the Garden of Eden, to cause us to sin. This is why God is willing to forgive us.
Satan on the other hand, was not born into sin, therefore he has no excuse.
---David on 9/3/19|
Those verses in Ephesians do not teach universal salvation, but rather universal sovereignty, when the new heaven and earth will be, and the old has passed away. Where in the New a Heaven and earth, no sin, evil, will enter in. Christ is HEAD OF THE NEW CREATIONS, and when that is understood, one does not see universal salvation. All things IN CHRIST. those who are IN CHRIST, old things pass away all things become new. Sinners and demons are not IN CHRIST, and they will not hitch-hike a ride to Heaven in Jesus belly button lint or toe jam, outside of Christ. He will have PREEMINENCE.. Colossians 1:15-19 should be understood with Ephesians 1:8-10. There are those scripture say are WITHIN, and those WITHOUT.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/19|
Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate, for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in thereat:
Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way , which leadeth to unto life, and few there be that find it.
Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire, and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever,
( This is Prophesy that has not happen yet - but will happen )
---RichardC on 9/2/19|
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God has great plans! Nobody will be excluded!
"Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence, Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him.
Ephesians 1:8-10 KJV
---JS1234 on 9/2/19|
As far as scripture tells us, there is no redemption for Angels. Gods plan for redemption, through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ who was made flesh for the suffering of death, came to redeem man.
So Gods forgivness is not just based on a whim of...oh well, ok I forgive you. Not even with us.
Hell was made for the fallen angels. And it's wishful thinking that God forgive them.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/19|
Satan can be forgiven, and will be forgiven eventually. I have no doubt of that at all
---JS1234 on 9/1/19|