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Can Satan Be Forgiven

If God is all forgiving, why can't He forgive Satan? If we are suppose to forgive our enemies, why can't we forgive Satan? If Satan, knowing of his death, repent?

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Kath, no problem. We have both made our points. We can just agree to disagree about this. I hope you're having a wonderful day!
---JS1234 on 9/22/19


Yep when Christ reigns...that verse is referring to the 1000 year reign, the final dispensation where Satan will be bound for 1000 years, where man cannot say...THE DEVIL MADE ME DO IT, and then Satan will be loosed for a little while, THE FINAL SHOWDOWN ....when then He will have put ALL THINGS in submission TO HIM.

Nothing in that verse...( if you understand it) says anything about universal salvation or that Satan will be redeemed. NOPE, all that is going to get tossed into the LAKE IF FIRE THAT BURNS FOREVER AND EVER.

Nice try JS1234, but those who KNOW scripture know that is only your version taken out of context. It's one of my favorite verses.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/19


JS 1234, if one goes to war and kills off all their enemies, as will happen IN THE END. Satan and 1/3 are Gods enemies....will one day be finally defeated once and for all....not converted YIKES

1 Corinthians 6: 9-11 make very clear there is no universal salvation. ....Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father, when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
---kath453 on 9/22/19


Christ will reign until he has no more enemies. With no enemies, he turns everything over to the Father and the Father becomes everything to everybody. If there are no more enemies, then Satan is no longer an enemy either.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

1 Corinthians 15:25-28 (KJV)
---JS1234 on 9/21/19


It appears in the NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH , showing all evil abomination things that make a lie, aka: SATAN , shall not enter in .....if they can't enter....then there is no reconciliation of ALL THINGS.

Rev 21: 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: ....27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life
---kathr4453 on 9/21/19




In order for God to reconcile all things to himself as He has promised, He will have to reconcile Satan too. Otherwise the reconciliation will be incomplete and God will not have accomplished His purpose.
---JS1234 on 9/20/19


Here is my understanding.

Satan had time to repent. But choose not to. He then rebelled against GOD and started a war in heaven. So he has gone past the ability to repent.

My Methodist Grandmother used to say some have gone so far in sin they have sinned away their day of Grace.

In my understanding there is in people a point of no turning back. We don't know when that happens.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/20/19


Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God,26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
---kathr4453 on 9/20/19


Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us IN HIM before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: AKA , being predestined to be conformed to His image. NO ONE was "in Christ" before the foundation of the world. Unlike Mormons, we do not believe we were spirit babies floating around before the foundation of the world. However the CHURCH was CHOSEN before the foundation of the world to be SONS AND HEIRS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. Eph 1:5. Not predestined to be saved.

The mystery is the uniqueness of the CHURCH, and our HIGHER CALLING....only limited to this dispensation, not limited to specific individuals during this dispensation. Colossians 1:24-27 Note vs 25 .
---kathr4453 on 9/20/19


Because John the Calvinist here believes we are Israel, and not a NEW CREATION he will never understand the mystery of being IN CHRIST, AND CHRIST IN YOU, MAKING ONE NEW MAN. Until that changes, you can argue with John the Calvinist till the cows come home and get nowhere. They will continue to cherry pick AROUND the truth. It's a hopeless effort unless they first have a spirit want to learn deeper truths, rather than believing they already know it all. Will John listen and learn from those scriptures in Ephesians? Let's see.
---kat453 on 9/20/19




John that is not what I'm saying...I'm saying YOU have twisted scripture cherry picking a verse here and there to promote your false doctrine. Ephesians is BUILDING UPON the foundation of Christ Crucified..... So go back and read John 3:16 first...then read Acts, where many Jews RESISTED THE HOLY SPIRIT, then read Paul,saying the Grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to ALL MEN.

Then realize Ephesians is talking about the MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH, ...if you care to read ALL of Ephesians. Paul in Ephesians is talking to those already saved....who already know the foundation is faith in His death and resurrection FIRST, as he goes on to show we are neither Jew or Gentile...but a NEW CREATURE...a MYSTERY you do not understand.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/19


Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will,.....

Ephesians 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery, (as I wrote afore in few words,

Ephesians 3:4 ....ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

Ephesians 3:9 And to make ALL MEN SEE what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Ephesians 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Ephesians 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,
---kat453 on 9/19/19


Ephesians mentions THE MYSTERY over 6 times, more than any epistle in scripture. The MYSTERY is clearly defined in Colossians 1:24-27....showing in Colossians 2-3 a deeper understanding of THE MYSTERY of the CHURCH...

The MYSTERY of the Gospel not once states a limited atonement, or that Jesus only died for a few.

The MYSTERY is that in this dispensation God is forming THE CHURCH, the BOC, that WHOSOEVER WILL MAY COME TO BE APART OF THIS SPECIAL ELECT GROUP, never promised to Earthly Israel.

This is clearly seen in the conclusion of Ephesians chapter 6.

But you first need to be saved to understand.
---kath453 on 9/19/19


kathr said, "John you are taking Ephesians 2:1-2 out of context....."

So are you now saying Paul under the direction of the Holy Spirit is wrong to???

Listen to im again:



2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

So now for the fourth time Can a dead man choose yes or no?

BTw, 1 Cor 15 has nothing to do with Eph 2...
---john9346 on 9/19/19


kathr said, "Jesus died for our sin so we could be reconciled to God. But it's OUR responsibility to want reconciliation. It's available to all, but not all will choose."

But Paul says this is false doctrine dead people cant choose Eph 2:1-5 Rom 3:10-12.

Also, Jesus came to save his people from their sins so if any are in hell he didn't die for them

See, Matt 1:21, Jn 19:30, Jn 6:37-39, Jn 10:26-29.
---john9346 on 9/19/19


JS1234 believes in a restoration theology not taught in scripture. I'm reconciled through Jeuss Christ now..today as we speak, and so is everyone who's faith is in Christ. Those not born yet who will be saved will also be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ. Those who have been born, Rejected the opportunity to be reconciled have died with that choice get no second chances. Their time to be reconciled is over. Satan and demons again, if they had the offer to be reconciled...would have BY NOW. Hasn't happened.

The OLD creation and all evil in the OLD CREATION is not going to be reconciled to God through Christ....ONLY THE NEW CREATION WITH THE NEW CREATURE. Jesus clearly said You cannot put OLD WINE in New Wine skins.
---kathr4453 on 9/18/19


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Jesus died for our sin so we could be reconciled to God. But it's OUR responsibility to want reconciliation. It's available to all, but not all will choose be reconciled to God.

Matthew 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

1 Corinthians 7:11 But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. IF SHE DEPARTS SHE IS NOT RECONCILED TO HER HUSBAND NO MATTER WHAT HE DOES.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
---kat453 on 9/18/19


If Satan is not redeemed, then God will fail in reconciling everything to himself. It's a simple matter of logic. And I'm very happy that He is going to reconcile everything. There won't be any loose ends when he is done. God will truly be All in all! (1 Corinthians 15:28)
---JS1234 on 9/17/19


Also John being dead in our sin is not people in a zombie like state of existance. God said to Israel in their dead in their sin state...LET US REASON TOGETHER. God YOU SAY can't reason with the dead...however GOD SAID HE COULD AND DID AND HAS FROM THE BEGINNING.

The verse is very simple and straight forward and does not need your or anyone's commentary explaining it away.

Most folks do that when a verse does not fit their false doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/19


John, first you must be delusional, as I never said Israel was not Gods elect... I said they are, and their electness didn't guarantee salvation as the Nation as a whole rejected Jesus Christ. John I have issues with LIARS and underhanded ways you twist things to falsely accuse others.

You are too quick to post or shoot off your mouth first without reading THOROUGHLY what others say. I find people like that have mental issues. You fit that perfectly.

Now apologize for LYING JOHN.

Israel is Gods elect, who SINNED and God said to them IN Their sinful unregenerate unquickened state ....LET US REASON TOGETHER, though your SINS ARE....

Stop twisting scripture too. It's disgusting.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/19


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Proof John LIED:
John here's Scripture showing ISRAEL THE NATION, as Gods Elect...Deut 7:6, Exodus 19:4-6, Psalma 135:4, Isaiah 43:10, 44:1-2, 45:4 And loud and clear Amos 3:2. YOU ONLY HAVE I KNOWN OF ALL THE FAMILIES On earth....Not John the Gentile. No Gentile was Gods elect. No individual Jew or Gentile....but the WHOLE NATION. They were not automatically saved because they were Gods elect.

Now we do see in Romans 11:1-8 God has not forgotten them. But He will remember them after YOU a GENTILE WILD AGAINST NATURE is grafted in. But until then MULTITUDES OF JEWS are and have been LOST over the last 2000 years. There's no universal salvation for them who rejected Christ...elect though they may be.
---kathr4453 on 9/17/19
---kath453 on 9/17/19


Kathr:

The Scriptures you cite I agree but remember your the one who said that God didn't elect Israel and I said to you that God elected Israel.

You cited Isa 1:18 to try to rebut my statement but that is written already to a people already elected to which you agreed with me.
Isa 1:18 doesn't disprooved what Paul stated in Eph 2:1-2 that sinners are dead a question you refused to answer when I asked you...
---john9346 on 9/17/19


Kathr:

Your assertion that sinners are not dead in their sins violates Holy Scripture Jn 3:36, Eph 2:1-2, 4-6.
---john9346 on 9/17/19


Satan cannot be REDEEMED with the Blood of Jesus Christ. No angels can. Jesus came to save MAN, and is why he took on flesh and not the whatever of an angel. Read Hebrews 2 please.

JS1234 Why do you keep pushing this false idea?
---kathr4453 on 9/17/19


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Cluny

Not now perhaps, but in time.
---JS1234 on 9/16/19


Repentance is ultimately admitting you were wrong.

Satan doesn't have the humility to do this.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/16/19


It is easy to tell other people to do what Jesus says. Anyone can do that. What we really need to do is take a good look at ourselves, and assess how we're measuring up.
---JS1234 on 9/13/19


js1234 said, "Satan can be forgiven, and will be forgiven eventually. I have no doubt of that at all."

Scripture please???
---john9346 on 9/13/19


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(Romans 11:6) And if by grace, then it is no longer by works, otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it be by works, then it is no longer grace, otherwise work is no longer work.

In other words....if the love of God can be obtained by merely keeping the Law of Moses, God is no more than a task master, owing his servants a wage.

So...How do gain the Love of God the Father? According to his Son, it is by making Jesus Christ your Lord, (John 14:21). Believe it,...or not?

What gives us the right to call Jesus, Lord? (Luke 6:46) And why call ye Me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
---David on 9/13/19


Kathr, good point.
---JS1234 on 9/9/19


JS1234 the NT was wtirtten to Jews and GENTILES under A NEW TESTAMENT....

1 Corinthians 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in MY BLOOD: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/19


Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.

I'll have to study up on Universalists to see if they deny redemption through the blood of Jesus Christ.
( this was ALSO WRITTEN TO GENTILES UNDER GRACE) YIKES JS1234.
No Jew was saved by animal blood. And everything in the OT under law was a PATTERN of all things pointing to Jesus Christ and HIM being the LAMB OF GOD who takes away the SIN OF THE WORLD , not just sin of the Jews under the law. For UNDER THE LAW NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED.

JS1234, it's frightening how much you don't know or don't understand.
---kat453 on 9/9/19


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Ephesians 1:7

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches OF HIS GRACE,

NT GRACE /reconciliation cannot be separated from the BLOOD OF HIS CROSS. Colossians 1:20

The GRACE OF GOD that brings salvation....... Is clearly stated in Ephesians 1:7. We have been redeemed WITH THE BLOOD OF JESUS. REDEEMED MEANS SALVATION. 1 Peter 1:19
---kath453 on 9/9/19


Are we 'under the law'?

"Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins." (Hebrews 9:22)
---JS1234 on 9/8/19


Scripture is quite clear that without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin. And without the forgiveness of sin, one is still in their sin. And the wages of sin is death.

Scripture is also clear not of works, or the law. No amount t of works can make you sinless again. And no scripture states at the second resurrection ones works will give entrance to ETERNAL life. Your reading something into it that is not stated.

Abel offered a blood sacrifice. Abel was 1 st generation ....And Cain's bloodless sacrifice was rejected. It's never changed.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/19


Many of you folks think that the "blood" (Christ's death) is the ONLY way to eternal life.

But what about the people who never knew God, or Jesus, or sinning, or repenting, but still did the will of God, not knowing it's the will of God? Isn't it written that there are to be two resurrections? (the first of those who believe in Christ and the second all the others according to their works - some to everlasting life, some to everlasting death.
---Steveng on 9/8/19


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Yes it's absolutely true, only the shed blood of Jesus can wash away our sin. Romans 3:25 FAITH IN HIS BLOOD. Yep our own shed blood cannot save us. Only the spotless lamb of God can. Justified BY FAITH. THAT WORD FAITH AGAIN.

By Grace THROUGH FAITH.....Lets not overlook the full sentence.

Now not all men have faith.
2 Thesselonians 3:2 and those men are considered EVIL WICKED MEN, just like described in Jude.

Don't be misled folks, Romans 10:9-10 say IF YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR HEART......so there IS SOMETHING YOU MUST DO Before you can be saved. Just look at the Book of Acts.....many Jews repented and BELIEVED JESUS is the Son of God, and many did not. I don't see where they ALL were added to the Church...do you?
---kathr4453 on 9/8/19


Salvation is entirely God's work. There is nothing that we can do to get ourselves saved. This is really good news because I know for sure there is nothing about me, and there is nothing that I have ever done, that could make God save me.


"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them."

- Ephesians 2:8-10
---JS1234 on 9/7/19


Yes God is a Merciful God. That's why He gave His only begotten Son. But those who reject His Son .....not so merciful. Those who have reject the Gospel not so merciful, 1 and 2 Thesselonians.

To twist 1Corinthians 13 and say God OR we don't see evil,when in fact there is evil...is really twisting things. Do we pretend a RAPIST didn't commit rape and invite to dinner? Not pay for their crime...because HAY, prison is not love? Let the registered pediofile play with your children because HAY....You're gonna think no evil ?

That's NOT what 1 Corinthians is about. Because we are also warned that Satan is roaming around like a lion looking for his next meal. Hope it's not you JS1234.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/19


1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant, because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

Now I already know how JS1234 will answer the previous post...saying as he has before...if God wants to feed me to Satan, then it's Gods will. Universalists take NO responsibility. que sera sera but LOOK, WE ARE TO BE SOBER AND VIGILANT first...aren't we?

Just as we have been WARNED about perishing and everlasting punishment. There is no que sera sera here. No scripture teaches such a thing. WE are to repent, believe and OBEY..Romans 10:9-10, .Romans 16:25-27. Romans 6-8, Romans 12:1-2....just for starters.
---kath453 on 9/7/19


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God is love

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because GOD IS LOVE. (1 John 4:7,8)

Therefore..

God is patient and kind, God does not envy or boast, God is not arrogant or rude. God does not insist on His own way, God is not irritable or resentful, God does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. God bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. (1 Corinthians 13:4-7 adapted)

We have a wonderful God!
---JS1234 on 9/6/19


Daniel 12:2 - And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake , some to everlasting life , and some to shame and everlasting contempt

( Universalism doesn't work ! - I can fill up the rest of this threat here with verses on this ! - it just doesn't work ! )
---Richard on 9/6/19


I believe if Satan wanted to be forgiven, we would see the effects of that now....( by not seeing so much evil in the world) so I would say no he doesn't.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/19


Excellent question.
---JS1234 on 9/5/19


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Yes that was the subject. Seems like someone here wants to turn EVERY thread into universalism. I hate when that happens. Cherry pickin to try to prove what is not in scripture...but only in their wishful Thinking.

Everlasting punishment must have a different meaning to some.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/19


What I find odd is why so many have died preaching a gospel that says EVERYONE WILL BE SAVED NO MATTER WHAT. GOD IS RECONCILLING EVERYONE, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. So go and SIN till your hearts content, because it just doesn't matter..you'll be saved in the end YIKES! AND WRONG!

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
---kath4453 on 9/6/19


I think we can agree that Revelation...that which was written AFTER all the other epistles is the SUM AND SUBSTANCE of all from Genesis to Revelation.....states that not everyone will enter the Kingdom of God. And no scripture in Revelation makes any such statement those WITHOUT AKA OUTSIDE will ever ever be reconciled and enter in. It ain't gonna happen.

So, be responsible in telling others the truth that if you have never repented, having your sin WASHED AWAY ...by the blood of the Lamb, your name simply is not gonna be in the Lambs book of life from the foundation of the world. And no demons or Satan have their names in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE.
---kat453 on 9/6/19


The real question is does Satan WANT to be forgiven.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/5/19


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"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation, to wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

- 2 Corinthians 5:18-19

God is reconciling the world to Himself. If there is an eternal hell, God will fail in his endeavor. But God will not fail. God will reconcile the world to himself. It is a wonderful thing.
---JS1234 on 9/5/19


The most dangerous thing is to build a doctrine around one verse. This is how we got snake handlers.

So we know ALL does not include animals trees, birds,etc,which were also affected by the fall. But I have heard it preached, according to that verse that every living animal from Adam on will be made alive in Christ.

In Adam all die....but not all are IN CHRIST....only those IN CHRIST will be made alive. Animals, trees etc are not IN CHRIST.

You Have to receive Jesus Christ to be IN CHRIST and He IN YOU.

New angers teach God is in everyone and everything. This is false doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/19


the way to be IN CHRIST is to first be baptized INTO HIS DEATH, and THEN raised up together with Him are now IN CHRIST. Not everyone is IN CHRIST.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Romans 8:10 And IFChrist be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
---kath453 on 9/5/19


1 Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive."

Yes! This is the perfect verse! Everybody dies in Adam, and everybody is vivified in Christ. It will happen! It's the most wonderful thing in the world!
---JS1234 on 9/5/19


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I believe Jesus Christ died for ALL. But not ALL will receive the gift of salvation. Calvinist's also need to remember a GIFT is not FORCED on anyone, anymore than universal salvation is FORCED on all. Now to balance the two sides out....we also have scripture stating WHOSOEVER WILL. AKA AN INVITATION to receiving the GIFT of salvation.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

2 Corinthians 5:14 For the love of Christ constraineth us, because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

2 Corinthians 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/19


Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the New Testament , which is shed for Many for the remission of sins

( Christ die for All or Many ? )

Ephesians 5,25 - Husband love your wives, even as Christ also loved the Church an Gave him self for It,

( Did Christ give himself for the World ? or for the Church ? )

Hebrews 9:28 - So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of Many: and unto them look for him shall he appear the second time without sin to Salvation.

( Once again did Christ die for All or Many ? )
---RichardC on 9/4/19


"If I be lifted up" refers specifically to Jesus' crucifixion. He died for all humanity. It is the most wonderful thing that ever happened in history. We should embrace it and rejoice!
---JS1234 on 9/4/19


Well there is a problem with your verse ....IF "I" BE LIFTED UP. The problem is, others are being lifted up: Michael the AA, MOHAMED, BUDAH, and all those anti-christs people say...here is the Christ there is the Christ.

So will they be saved in the end of they were drawn to something else?

Please support your answer to that specifically with 2-3 supporting scriptures.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/19


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Yes you are right, angels are not men. Or women. But God will save all men and women, that's for sure. I am so happy for this.

"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Greek 'drag') all men unto me."

- John 12:32
---JS1234 on 9/3/19


Well JS1234, Angels are not men. So that verse does not apply to Angels or fallen angels. ALL MEN, is what it says. But not ALL men will be saved, because God has give us a free will to reject salvation.

So yes it is in Gods will that His desire is that all men be saved. So listen up Calvinist's who say God only picked certain men to be saved.

This is the WILL OF GOD THAT YOU BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

But we see man has a will too and many have chosen not to believe.

Don't confuse Gods WILL for some power force you can't resist. The Jews in Acts were said to have RESISTED the POWER of the Holy Spirit. And no scripture states they were overcome by Gods will and changed their minds.
---kathr4453 on 9/3/19


"For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour, Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth."

1 Timothy 2:3-4

As it says here, God wants everybody to be saved. If God does not get what he wants, then he is not God. So rejoice, because God has only good in the store for every person.
---JS1234 on 9/3/19


Though God does not like sin, he understands that since we are born with the seed of sin, we will sin. God knows Satan is more powerful than we are, and Satan uses the seed of sin, the seed he planted in the Garden of Eden, to cause us to sin. This is why God is willing to forgive us.

Satan on the other hand, was not born into sin, therefore he has no excuse.
---David on 9/3/19


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Those verses in Ephesians do not teach universal salvation, but rather universal sovereignty, when the new heaven and earth will be, and the old has passed away. Where in the New a Heaven and earth, no sin, evil, will enter in. Christ is HEAD OF THE NEW CREATIONS, and when that is understood, one does not see universal salvation. All things IN CHRIST. those who are IN CHRIST, old things pass away all things become new. Sinners and demons are not IN CHRIST, and they will not hitch-hike a ride to Heaven in Jesus belly button lint or toe jam, outside of Christ. He will have PREEMINENCE.. Colossians 1:15-19 should be understood with Ephesians 1:8-10. There are those scripture say are WITHIN, and those WITHOUT.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/19


Matthew 7:13 - Enter ye in at the strait gate, for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction and many there be which go in thereat:

Matthew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way , which leadeth to unto life, and few there be that find it.

Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire, and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever,

( This is Prophesy that has not happen yet - but will happen )
---RichardC on 9/2/19


God has great plans! Nobody will be excluded!

"Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence, Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, even in him.

Ephesians 1:8-10 KJV
---JS1234 on 9/2/19


As far as scripture tells us, there is no redemption for Angels. Gods plan for redemption, through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ who was made flesh for the suffering of death, came to redeem man.

So Gods forgivness is not just based on a whim of...oh well, ok I forgive you. Not even with us.

Hell was made for the fallen angels. And it's wishful thinking that God forgive them.
---kathr4453 on 9/2/19


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Satan can be forgiven, and will be forgiven eventually. I have no doubt of that at all
---JS1234 on 9/1/19


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