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Faith Without Works Dead

What does James mean when he says, "faith without works is dead?" Is it possible to be eternally saved without works?

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James, 2:24:

"Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/8/19

The following instruction is for those who seek the Lord, but have failed to find what they were seeking through a man made doctrines. The only way you will know if what I say is true, is to try it! This is my experience with the Lord, and experience with a loving God I want you to have too.

First, get into the habit of a daily confession of sin, praying as the Lord taught in (Matthew 6:9-13). Second, Do what you are guided to do, or not do, by Gods Holy Spirit.

Why is Confession of sin so important? Confession of sin restores the light of God and awakens the conscience. The Lord will guide you by using your conscience, the conscience which feels guilt, when we are disobedient to God. Conscience...Study it in the New Testament.
---David on 10/9/19

Works do not save you...Grace does!! So what do we gain by our Works, our works being the keeping of the Lords commands?
Grace, is what we receive through our works. (John 14:21)
He that hath My commandments and keeps them, he it is that loves Me, and he that loves Me shall be loved by My Father

A Crystal clear teaching, when not viewed through a man made doctrine.

Paul taught the same in (Ephesians 2:8)
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God.

Now since James taught Faith without works is Dead, the Grace we receive through Faith...must be a faith shown by our works.
---David on 10/8/19

It means that love works. If you have not love you will not work or care about others. So no works no love.

Christians love so they do good works. They bear fruit. Those with no fruit are like the fig tree. Barren and worthless.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/7/19

Cluny you are not a Doctor of medicine. Don't act dumb.

Well just like you gather your inspiration from the web, WIKI tee hee, I looked up if people thought Trump has AS. Much to my surprise I found several sights making this same statement. So the thought wasn't just my own out of nowhere.

And actually having a friend for years who passed recently who had AS, was what gave me that thought. Doesn't mean he doesn't have NPD, which you find endearing...oddly enough that you have no issue with stating...where's your medical degree?

Anyone can have a thought on the subject....never claimed to be an expert on the subject.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/19

\\OK so now Cluny thinks he's a doctor? Who is hallucinating? \\

It's not me. I DO have a doctorate.

Do you have one that you should claim Trump has Asperger syndrome?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/19

OK so now Cluny thinks he's a doctor? Who is hallucinating?

Will his delusions ever come to an end here? Seems to be escalating.

---kathr4453 on 10/6/19

\\But do you think the Lord would force one or even try to woo Cluny who mocks such a relationship in the first place?\\

Projecting again, I see.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/19

//I am grieved by how haz and kathr are treating each other on these blogs..
I'm praying that they be reconciled and freed of their burden of mutual hatred..
All who have started doing so join me in this intention.//
---michael_e on 10/6/19

StrongAxe, kath is the one who admitted she had a stroke.

Perhaps it's because of her self-admitted stroke that she can't tell her fantasies from real life.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/19

Nor have I Cluny, yet you have for years presumed to know mine and others you find fault with. I also looked up the mindset of a NP, and one that has jumped out loud and clear here concerning your posts that go back years is your thinking you look good by making others look bad. Your condescending comments to Steveng, Jerry, Mike, etc, shows this "thing" is not just an attack on me, but your arrogant snide personal remarks you bust into threads with your one liners to obstruct, or just feel you need to kick, stalking every post with almost everyone here you disagree with. Then you end your snide comment with a :
BLA BLA BLA endings, thinking what, That that covers your sin? Hardly!
---kathr4453 on 10/6/19

Yes Cluny is an eye for eye religious here. Fasting will not be enough to drive that out....only a conviction by the Holy Spirit will be a start, yet for years we have all seen its never started.

Religion without a PERSONAL relationship with the Lord is dangerous. But do you think the Lord would force one or even try to woo Cluny who mocks such a relationship in the first place?
---kat453 on 10/6/19


Your alluding to kath's having a stroke is just as inappropriate as her alluding to your having dirty diapers. Can you two PLEASE just kiss and make up?
---StrongAxe on 10/5/19

\\ Even his self proclaimed high IQ has let him down. \\

I have no idea what my IQ is, and I've never even mentioned it on these blogs.

Is it Kath's stroke that makes her tell such lies about me and others?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/19

In so glad Cluny openly admitted to his foul comments. Just so others know I didn't just make that up. But we see Cluny, much like Trump become unhinged and out of control attacking his imaginary enemies lashing out in some sort of paranoid frenzy, unable to keep himself under control, exercising his pecks rather than his inner man where his fasting is a perfect example that it does nothing for Cluny who can't even turn the other cheek, but will become unhinged and wreck his own reputation for what! For HATE. cluny, I would suggest you eat something. Your fasting fail is showing.
---kathr4453 on 10/5/19

No one here even asked Cluny to ask Jesus in his getting the blog off message again is what many call a Troll. TROLLS have a bad reputation for disrupting conversations on the web. But this display ...if you stand back...sounds like a mean abusive drunk many women have to come home to....crazy vile accusations out of nowhere...

For Cluny's own sake he needs to sit it out until he gets his mind under control. His perfect spelling has no influence over his disposition as we all can see is no help to him now. Even his self proclaimed high IQ has let him down. He can't go to the Lord personally for help either....which I find so sad. Fasting failed, all those books filled with this or that has failed him. Hummmmm
---kat453 on 10/5/19

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\\Totally disgusting coming from someone who makes fun of those who have asked Jesus into their heart. \\

Have you, kath?

BTW, why should I do something that is nowhere in the Bible?

Nor, for that matter, is "personal savior."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/19

Chria9396, the word slain used in that verse original Greek leave no room for any other the definition but these below,

slaughter, butcher
to put to death by violence
mortally wounded

I see at the beginning of Rev talking about Antipas being a martyr AKA being killed, could actually be one of the ones Rev 6 is talking about. Or we see in Hebrews 11 OT SAINTS killed for their faith and the Word of God. Some were sawn asunder ( sawed in half) Hebrews 11:37

Slain ...when you look at every verse using that word with that same Greek spelling means killed.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/19

Seeing Cluny has scoffed openly at the very things he has now asked me about, I find his question sacrilegious and blasphemous to the utmost beyond vulgar where he should be removed from CN ASAP.

How low will you crawl in the dung heap of sinners? Repent of that filthy foul attitude you feel the need to use's only hurting you. You should be ashamed, but I think you've lost all conscience of common decency. Has God already seared your conscience? It appears so. Totally disgusting coming from someone who makes fun of those who have asked Jesus into their heart. ..and has openly made fun of that belief. You really have hit rock bottom Cluny.
---kath4453 on 10/4/19

kath, have you ever acknowledged that you're a sinner, knelt before the Throne of Grace, and asked Jesus into your heart as your personal Savior?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/19

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"I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:"
rev 6:9

Do you think slain here is used only in a literal sense, or could it be figurative?
---chria9396 on 10/4/19

No This is what Cluny said. I don't believe I said anything to the contrary. Maybe only in Cluny's imagination desperately looking and combing through every word I say to JUMP UP AND MAKE A FOOL OUT OF HIMSELF thinking his attacks here are an exercise of his will he has been practicing gymnastics, thinking his STRONG willful assaults are noteworthy. Too funny. Fasting was also suggested for driving out personal demons, not giving them a will of their own.

//In His human nature, Jesus had a human soul.

Otherwise, He would not be fully human.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/19/////
---kath4453 on 10/4/19

We also see in Luke, Jesus showing those who have died have perception and feel anguish as well. Also since Saul in the OT sought out a witch to summon dead Samuel, they obviously didn't believe the soul was snuffed out or completely extinguished at physical death.

Whe Jesus showed up at Lazarus tomb days after he was buried only called out his name and said come forth. Sounds to me like the dead can even hear the voice of God. Nothing about Lazarus's soul being recreated, or Jesus breathing into any dead nostrils to create another soul.

Just saying.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/19


Who in Rev are the souls under the alter that look like they are physically dead?

As dead things are not capable of perception or speech, the souls under the altar are alive, even though the bodies they once inhabited were killed.
---StrongAxe on 10/3/19

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Deuteronomy 8:19 And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the Lord thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish. 20 As the nations which the Lord destroyeth before your face, so shall ye perish, because ye would not be obedient unto the voice of the Lord your God.

Pharoah's army perished. After many rebukes and many chances given Pharoah ...his heart was hardened, and many perished.

No, God wants obedience , but disobedience results in consequences.
---kat453 on 10/3/19

\\Cluny said Jesus soul came when He was born a man. \\

Wrong again, kath.

I said that just like every other human being since Adam, He received His human soul at His Incarnation, that is, at the instant of His physical conception.

Or do you understand the difference between birth and conception?

Glory to Jesus Christ.
---Cluny on 10/3/19

Strongaxe, it's not mockery if someone is trying to be funny.JS1234 already said he uses facetious comments here TRYING TO BE FUNNY. Call him out please if you have a problem with his humor.

Was Jesus the only one with a soul? Thou will not leave my soul in hell... so did not Jesus the man die? Cluny said Jesus soul came when He was born a man. Did His soul extinguish or not? Who in Rev are the souls under the alter that look like they are physically dead? Also I'm paraphrasing here in case our Orthodox wants to disect with a microscope pointing out the Greek word to argue for the sake of arguing.

So you tell me....based on those verses
---kathr4453 on 10/3/19

Another clue JS1234 is that the Last Adam Jesus is that life giving Spirit. Now, we know, or at least many do , that when we are Born Again here and now, where we are given LIFE IN CHRIST, does not mean our now physical bodies will never die. THE SPIRIT of the LIFE OF CHRIST has set me free from the law of sin and death. This corruptable must put on incorruptible.

So Yes our physical bodies are also affected in Adams fall, along with disease etc. But even as we are saved, we are still affected by disease.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/19

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\\I don't think you really know what most Christians believe, since that is not what most Christians believe. \\

Again, kath projects.

She has no idea what Christianity believes.


Again, kath quotes out of context.

It goes something like this:

No more shall you say, "The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge. The father shall not be punished for the sin of the son, nor the son for the sin of the father.

THE "SOUL" [here used as a part for the whole, I can't think of the proper name of this literary device] THAT SINNETH IT SHALL DIE.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/19


The traditional Christian idea of hell is a place where sinners suffer in torment forever and ever. Doesn't that require that the soul be immortal?

Also, calling someone a comedian is mockery, which is unnecessary here.
---StrongAxe on 10/2/19

The wages of sin is physical death. Most Christians don't believe in spiritual death. They believe that the soul is immortal.
---JS1234 on 10/2/19

I don't think you really know what most Christians believe, since that is not what most Christians believe. That's just your take on what YOU THINK most Christians believe making condescending flippant comments towards most Christians here online.


Funny JS1234 believes the soul and physical body are the same thing....SO God breathed a physical body into Adams nostrils? Hilarious.

Keep the jokes coming JS1234. You're a real Comedian.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/19

Just a note to JS1234, I know you know the site Got Questions, as I saw you copy and paste one of their answers as your own, to one of Cluny's questions. I followed up with the next paragraph, but I put in ITALICIZED showing its someone else's words not my own. Anyway, you can look on that site again since you are familiar with it to see what MOST CHRISTIANS believe "Spiritual" death means.

It doesn't mean physical death. Also the SECOND DEATH, may be something you should study as well.
---kath453 on 10/2/19

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The wages of sin is physical death. Most Christians don't believe in spiritual death. They believe that the soul is immortal.
---JS1234 on 10/2/19

And the wages of sin is death. He also came to save us from death....not a physical death but a spiritual death. In Adam all die.

We are made alive IN CHRIST....the Last Adam is a "life" giving Spirit.

Aka ETERNAL LIFE. Scripture says those not save are dead meaning separated from God. No one can come to the Father except THROUGH HIS SON! Jesus Christ .

The whole of the Gospel is how Jesus came to save us from death the consequence of Adams sin.... Read Hebrews 2.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/19

Also we see in that verse JS1234 that HIS PEOPLE aka The Jews for the most part rejected Jesus, and we see the Pharisees laugh about that. Then they crucified Him. THEN we see in Acts where again for the most part Israel HIS PEOPLE still rejected Jesus , so then God turns to the Gentiles.

There is actually a parable in the Gospels about that...I think it was about a feast or wedding, where the original invites didn't come, and then they went out into the streets and invited ANYONE who wanted to come. Called FREE WILL. JESUS didn't FORCE salvation on HIS PEOPLE or force a wedding on them.
---kathr445 on 10/2/19

Jesus came to save people from their sins. That's what it says here.

20 But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins. (Matthew 1:20,21)
---JS1234 on 10/1/19

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Well my understanding of the Gospel is Jesus died in our place in order to save us from Hell. That's wonderful news don't you think. But many will reject this wonderful Gospel that leads to salvation...and will not be saved from the WRATH OF GOD that is coming on all who have disobeyed and rejected the Gospel. Thesselonians 1 and 2.

What do some here think they are being saved from?
---kathr4453 on 10/1/19

Actually, the Apostle Paul did not mention hell in any of his epistles because it has no part in the good news. He laid out the whole gospel in the Book of Romans, and if it were at all important, I'm quite sure he would have mentioned it.
---JS1234 on 10/1/19

JS1234, because Paul is talking to those already saved. Jesus however did talk about hell.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/19

The Gospel is not about avoiding hell. It's about living a Christ-centered life. If the Gospel is about avoiding hell, it would be fear-based. The Gospel is not fear-based. It is love-based.

If the Gospel were about avoiding hell, how is it that the Apostle Paul never uses the word 'hell' even once in any of his Epistles?
---JS1234 on 9/30/19

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Js1234, no one wants to see billions of people in hell, except maybe Calvinist's. We preach the Gospel because we don't want anyone going to hell.

If everyone is going to heaven anyway no matter what, the whole Bible is not even necessary. Jesus death would be unnecessary. God would just throw everyone in a fire pit to purify until one says UNCLE, and then walla, everyone would be in heaven is just not in Scripture. Better yet God could have created ROBOTS out of man and Angels where no one would sin in the first place. Why didn't he do that?

But not sharing the Gospel, Because 1) you are a universalist or 2) because you are a Calvinist is what is HORRIBLE.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19


You wrote: what God wants is an entirely different matter.

So what, exactly, DOES God want?

Matthew 18:14:
Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

2 Peter 3:9:
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
---StrongAxe on 9/30/19

I'm really sorry that people want to see billions of their fellow humans in hell.
---JS1234 on 9/30/19

\\Sarcasm comes in all forms and fashion. Yours was loud and clear.
---kath453 on 9/30/19\\

Of course, kath is never sarcastic.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/19

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James 2:24 and Romans 4:5
are theological opposites. Many believe they mean the same thing, black is white, up is down.
The theological opposite of justification by faith and works is justification by faith without works, just as the verses suggest. The plain reading of these two verses present a seemingly irreconcilable contradiction unless we understand right division that James spoke to the twelve tribes (James 1)
Paul speaks to the Church (boC) a new creature, neither jew or gentile
---michael_e on 9/30/19

JS1234, ABRAHAM also was before the Levitical Law made sacrifice for sin, and the whole of the sacrifice of Isaac ( God providing a ram in His place) was a precursor pointing to Christ.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19

JS1234, on the same line of thought, if YOU want everyone in the end to go to heaven, that's ok with me too, HOWEVER, what God wants is an entirely different matter.

We are discussing Gods Word, not mans wants. So I find your comment here condescending , which is not much different than comments you seem to say you are above saying or doing. Sarcasm comes in all forms and fashion. Yours was loud and clear.
---kath453 on 9/30/19

\\SITTING IN DIRTY DEPENDS ALL DAY taking it out on others\\

Or maybe you're projecting again, kath?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/19

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JOB wasn't under Levitical Law either. Revelation 13:8 the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. So from Adam and Eve forward to the very moment Jesus was our LAMB of God the practice of sacrifice for SIN began in Genesis.

JOB 1:5 And it was so, when the days of their feasting were gone about, that Job sent and sanctified them, and rose up early in the morning, and offered burnt offerings according to the number of them all: for Job said, It may be that my sons have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts. Thus did Job continually.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood and I have given it to you upon the alter to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that maketh atonement for the soul.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19

Abel wasn't under the Levitical laws. But if you want what he did to be a blood sacrifice, that's okay with me.
---JS1234 on 9/29/19

\\Talk about making up scripture...worse than picking and choosing what you want...some just make up stuff. \\

kath, the Torah specifically mentions grain offerings, as well as those of wine and beer.

Look it up.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/19

\\wearing depends is not the issue....SITTING IN DIRTY DEPENDS ALL DAY taking it out on others.\\

kath, is your having and sharing scatalogical fantasies about me a result of your stroke?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/19

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JS1234, if you should decide to study Leviticus, you will see that Abel's sacrificial offering was in fact that which is described in Leviticus re: AND THE FAT THEREOF, that one has to actually kill and disect ...what happened when a blood sacrifice was made. Job also made sacrifice for the sins of his sons.

I know even Nicole tried to explain this to you. We know you rejected that truth. Without the shedding of blood there is no forgivness of sin. This practice began immediately after Adam sinned.

Leviticus 3:3 And he shall offer of the sacrifice of the peace offering an offering made by fire unto the Lord, the fat that covereth the inwards, and all the fat that is upon the inwards,
---kathr4453 on 9/29/19

No David, holier than thou....wearing depends is not the issue....SITTING IN DIRTY DEPENDS ALL DAY taking it out on others...that's the issue. That's not a medical issue, it's just a nasty habit. Many wear depends David, and are happy campers. Babies wear them too, no medical issue there, however if left on all day, THAT CAN BECOME A MEDICAL ISSUE. And that medical issue can become a social issue if the medical issue affects ones social skills and interferes in ones social life. It can also become a moral issue if one takes out on others the neglect shown to them.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/19

1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

There are other places in scripture showing how God felt about Cain's WORKS. Hebrews 11 shows Abel's were righteous. NOW the only WORKS scripture even talks about between Cain and Abel are their offering to God. Free will offerings are not evil. But a free will bloodless offering alone without first sacrificing to cover sin, must be. Cain was given a second chance to do what was right. What was right was to FIRST offer a blood sacrifice like Abel did. Cain refused, because his pride got in the way, just as his father, Satans Pride got in the way and caused his fall.
---kat453 on 9/29/19

joseph on 9/27/19

Well said
---Chria9396 on 9/29/19

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There is no mention of sacrifice and there is no mention of blood.

"3 In the course of time Cain brought to the Lord an offering of the fruit of the ground, 4 and Abel also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but for Cain and his offering he had no regard. So Cain was very angry, and his face fell." (Genesis 4:3-5)
---JS1234 on 9/29/19

Actually, there are directions for agricultural sacrifices in the Torah.

Did you know that? Cluny/////

Ok so now Cluny is picking something out of Genesis 1-3 not even mentioned.

OK so Cain failed to follow The LAW OF MOSES concerning God's agricultural instructions on how to offer wheat? So God rejected Cains agricultural sacrifice BECAUSE????? .....SCRIPTURE PLEASE?

Talk about making up scripture...worse than picking and choosing what you want...some just make up stuff.

I don't see any scripture even under the Law of Moses one becomes an heir of the righteousness that is by faith because of some agricultural offering.

Cluny, you may want to just keep your foolish comments to a minimum.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/19


Grain offerings would be presented after a burnt offering, which was an animal sacrifice God required for the atonement of sin. Blood had to be shed for the remission of sins to take place, so a grain offering would not serve the same purpose as a burnt offering. Instead, the purpose of a grain offering was to worship God and acknowledge His provision. The burnt offering, which had strict regulations and could have nothing added to it, aptly represents the fact that we take no part in our atonement for sin. The grain offering, however, could be somewhat personalized in its presentation. It was to be given out of a persons free will, just as our worship is our free will offering to God today.
---kat453 on 9/28/19

It appears Cluny needs his depends changed again. Diaper rash really makes him irritable. So sorry Cluny.---kathr4453 on 9/28/19

Kathryn, do you know if Cluny wears Depends? If he does, is a medical condition something to joke about?
Appalling....simply Appalling!!
---David on 9/29/19

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It appears Cluny needs his depends changed again. Diaper rash really makes him irritable. So sorry Cluny.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/19

\\Cain refused to believe he was a sinner, offering a bloodless sacrifice as trying to earn Gods favor through GOOD WORKS. \\

Actually, there are directions for agricultural sacrifices in the Torah.

Did you know that?

\\But some here like to ...even with that....pick and choose WHAT WORDS they like and don't like what Jesus said\\

Just like you, kath.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/19

Romans 5 say between Adam and Moses that where there is no law, sin was not imputed to them, however DEATH WAS. In Adam all die, and all did when Adam sinned against the known will of God not to eat of the tree of Good and Evil. Romans 5 also say that the Law was ADDED SO SIN WOULD ABOUND.....meaning to exist in large numbers or amounts. And where SIN ABOUNDS GRACE MUCH MORE ABOUNDS. GRACE overriding sin and the law.

Abel knew he was a sinner because of his blood sacrifice. Cain refused to believe he was a sinner, offering a bloodless sacrifice as trying to earn Gods favor through GOOD WORKS. Job offered sacrifice for the sins of his sons long before the Law of Moses. Job also believed in the resurrection of the righteous.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/19

Well according to Jesus own works, ( as some here refuse to believe anything but Jesus words) told the thief who died next to Him...TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME IN PARADISE. No time for works or fruit.

But some here like to ...even with that....pick and choose WHAT WORDS they like and don't like what Jesus said.

So ones church has nothing to do with it. One's personal opinions mean more than Gods word....sooooo dangerous.
---kath453 on 9/28/19

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Not according to Jesus Christ. But if you can find the right Church to attend, you can be saved right up till judgement day.
---David on 9/28/19

Faith is an attitude. Many think faith is some supernatural power we must possess for salvation or works...WRONG. So here's the thing, we are justified by faith, believing Gods promise....but as we see in Acts 26 sanctification is also by faith. So our life of faith never ends at our initial justification. And God does not stop at our Justification. So our salvation will have evidence of a continued walk of faith...just as Abrahams did when sacrificing Isaac. Abraham was justified YEARS before Isaac was ever born.

I also believe our POSITION IN CHRIST once justified is that we are also sanctified and Glorified. One can become saved moments before death and be eternally saved without any continued works.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/19

from works of law blog
verses given previously a response to rm2:13

where there is no law, there is no transgression. Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may rest on grace and may be guaranteed to all Abrahams offspringnot only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all.rm 4:15,16

For sin was in the world before the Law was given, but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.Rm 5:13

"So how did Adam and Eve 'sin'?"

Although sin is not taken into account, it does NOT say faith,(or lack of) is not taken into account. Considering the state Adam and Eve were in, different from mankind after sin entered world
---chria9396 on 9/28/19

True Josef. But some will say you are wrong. I know.

GOD is love. Love works.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/27/19

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Without the works of faith, salvation would be impossible. It is an act of faith that acknowledges Jesus as Lord and Savior. The works of faith is simply the implement of our professed confidence in the Father, and His Word, through words and actions that correspond with that profession.
---joseph on 9/27/19


Amen to that! :)
---JS1234 on 9/24/19

I agree with you, Chria.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/25/19

" Is arguing theology on Christianet a good work? :)"

---JS1234 on 9/24/19

That may depend upon what sort of arguing. A reasoning together, a respectful discussion, exchange of ideas with best intents is one thing. Angry, bitter, derogatory arguing is another
---Chria9396 on 9/24/19

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Is arguing theology on Christianet a good work? :)
---JS1234 on 9/24/19

Ephesians 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

This is addressed to those who are saved and IN CHRIST. So if we are now HIS WORKMANSHIP, and you don't see any of HIS WORK talking place IN YOU, then something is wrong. You may want to check and see if you really are in the faith.
---kathr4453 on 9/24/19

All of 1 Corinthians 3 talks about this. In particular:

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire.

Thus, one can still be saved, even though one's works are destroyed as worthless.
---StrongAxe on 9/23/19

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