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Yoke Of Bondage

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

What does the yoke of bondage mean to you?

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You are right...from Acts 1 on to today, those saved are the CHURCH, which God has called out to be the ones who reign and rule with Christ when He does come at the second coming and set up the 1000 year earthly reign AKA The Kingdom restored to Israel.

Those who suffer with Him will REIGN WITH HIM. AND THEN 1 Cor 15 state after that, after then the Kingdom will be delivered up to God so God will be all in All.

Hopefully no one thinks the CHURCH is going to rule over anyone in heaven....
---kathr4453 on 10/15/19


God does not work apart from Covenants. Hebrews 13:20-21.
God raised Jesus from the dead through the Blood of the EVERLASTING COVENANT. Michael_e states he is not part of ANY covenant...which means his Jesus is not the Jesus of Scripture.


The CHURCH is ...IN ISAAC WILL THY SEED BE CALLED....ISAAC....as many are the stars above....Jacob....as many as the sand below. Abraham looked for the HEAVENLY....all this is over michael_e head claiming he is not part of that.....YET Paul to those GENTILES in Galatians says THEY ARE and THEY are part of the CHURCH.

Without a Covenant all sorts of CULTS show up...and that is how they are spotted....where you cant trace their doctrine back to a covenant in scripture.
---kat453 on 10/15/19


Christ sent his disciples preaching the kingdom gospel (Luke 9:1-6)
The twelve didn't understand the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. They were preaching the gospel of the kingdom.
Matt 10:5-6 Jesus sends his disciples to avoid Gentiles and preach to Israel. (Matt 10:7)
This was known as the kingdom gospel (Mark 1:14-15). later Jesus first mentioned his death
If you are saved it's because of Paul's gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4
Peter, James and John either didn't understand as Peter said or didn't know Paul's gospel
The church at Jerusalem had twelve tribes, the church at Antioch didn't
---michael_e on 10/15/19


There can be no gospel of the Kingdom without a KING AND KINGDOM first. The crown of thorns mocking saying KING OF THE JEWS, , where Jesus said...MY KINGDOM IS NOT OF THIS WORLD, showing He did not come the first time to set up the KINGDOM to Israel with their very legalistic Kingdom Law where one had to cut off a hand or poke our an eye to enter in...since Jesus will be ruling with a ROD IF IRON.....

That was never preached in Acts or with James or Peter or John in their epistles.

So rightly dividing the word of truth is necessary, AND KNOWING what the Kingdom restored to Israel is about is most important. When you know those FACTS you can make clear distinctions that there was not two Gospels being preached after Pentecost.
---kathr4453 on 10/14/19


Body of Christ, elementary??
Without Christ giving his body to die for my sins and raising his body from the dead, I could not be saved.
This salvation is not offered to me through a chosen nation, an anointed priest, or a special covenant. According to the great mystery of Christ, this salvation is possible because I am made a member of his body. (Eph 3:6)
Every one who is saved today is a member of the body of Christ, which is now called the church. (Eph 1:22-23)
I am saved by the body of Christ. Salvation is not found outside the body of Christ. It is impossible to be saved today without being in the body of Christ.
(1 Cor 12:12-13)
---michael_e on 10/14/19




Rightfully dividing the Word of truth is absolutely Necessary in our understanding of the Kingdom that ONE DAY WILL BE RESTORED TO ISRAEL.

Acts 1:6-7
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
See Matthew 24:26 Mark 13:32

Of that DaY..the Day the Kingdom will be restored to Israel. ThAt hasnt happened yet, therefore no Other GOSPEL could be preached at pentecost. Jesus did not say Yes Peter preach the restoration of the Kingdom of Israel.
---kathr4453 on 10/13/19


James nor Peter nor anyone needs to speak of the Body of Christ anymore than Paul had to ...which many of his letters don't even mention the BOC or Church. So that proves nada.
But what they all do is speak the same thing...both Paul and Peter say we were bought with the blood of Jesus....that Jesus is the chief corner stone...and so much more.

And Again for those who KNOW ..know there was no Nation of Israel to have a Gospel only to that nation. Isaiah 14 show one day...as we are seeing now from 1948 onward the fulfillment of Israel becoming a Nation..but still are not under the form of a Theocracy with a KING. That will happen AFTER the great trib, AKA the 1000 year reign. Nothing even close to that existed after Pentecost.
---kathr4453 on 10/12/19


James absolutely speaks about the Church.

James 3:1
Dear brothers and sisters, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly.

James 5:14
Are any of you sick? You should call for the elders of the church to come and pray over you, anointing you with oil in the name of the Lord.
---kat453 on 10/12/19


The " Body of Christ " is spoken 4 times in the NT in the following epistles.

Yet Colossians 1:24-27 tell us exactly what the Mystery is, and never say the phrase BODY OF CHRIST...
ALSO Timothy 1-2 ...1-2 Thessalonians, Galatians, Philippians are to the BOC THE CHURCH....without saying BOC. So again a nothing burger there....proves nothing.


Romans (1)
1 Corinthians (2)
Ephesians (1)
---kath453 on 10/12/19


James is not laying the elementary principles of salvation, but the deeper walk of our sanctification. But you have to be in a deeper walk with the Lord for the Lord to speak to you through James. Some seem to,need constantly the elementary principles of salvation over and over....yet even the Author of Hebrews shows we need to move on to deeper things.


Hebrews 6: 1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
---katht445 on 10/13/19




James never speaks of the BoC, the Church, or the power of the Resurrection, as Paul writes. Its Jewish and hard for most because they want this letter and the other little letters following it to be Church letters to make their doctrine fit.
Remember who wrote it, to whom was it written, why it was written.
James 1:1"to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting." So we know its written to Jews. Peter opens his little epistle, ".to those scattered," which means he, was writing to the Jews of the dispersion. (Acts 8:1)
---michael_e on 10/12/19


A careful study of Barnabas will also reiterate there were not two different gospels or churches going on, nor do we see Barnabas from Acts 2 through out Pauls ministry ever make some statement he switched sides and decided to join the BOC and abandon the Nation of Israel.....

His life is proof there were not two different Churches of God being preached. The very CHURCH Paul persecuted is the very CHURCH Today, the BOC.

Paul never said he persecuted that OTHER church..
---kathr4453 on 10/12/19


THANK you James and Peter for showing US WHAT FREEDOM IN CHRIST, AKA LIBERTY is as well as Paul did. We know those under law or kingdom law were not at liberty nor will they be. Even Zechariah 12-14 prove that.

James 1:25
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.


James 2:12
So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

1 Peter 2:16
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
---kathr4453 on 10/12/19


kath: What Abraham did see through out his trial was the resurrection.

As you demand of other people, you yourself should provide scripture for this.

Michael e:He confined his ministry to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Mat 10:5-6)

That's not entirely accurate.

Don't forget the Lord healed the daughter of the Canaanite woman, and the the servant of the Roman centurion.

These were gentiles, and NOT Jews.
---Monk_Brendan on 10/11/19


James Is not teaching the Law, but the law of FAITH. The testing of our FAITH. AND THERE IS NO LAW THAT REQUIRES ANYONE TO SACRIFICE THEIR SON. Yikes.
Abraham was 430 years before the Law or any Law concerning the Kingdom and Nation of Israel. There was no Israel when Abraham offered Isaac.

What Abraham did see through out his trial was the resurrection.

Paul in Galatians and Romans reiterates the very same things James does concerning Abraham.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


A careful study of the Gospels show that the reason King Herod had boys under 2 killed was knowing the promised rightful KING would take the throne Herod was not in titled to in the first place. And the reason Judas turned on Jesus was because it didn't look as though Jesus came to over throw Roman rule and establish again THE KINGDOM OF ISRAEL. It never happened, and Jesus never came this first time to establish the Kingdom to Israel....THAT WILL BE AT HIS SECOND COMING JUST AS ZECHARIAH 12-14 show. And Matthew 24-25 That is AFTER the great Tribulation, AFTER the Church is called in. There was never a different gospel preached at Pentecost....because there was NO KING OR KINGDOM at that time.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


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In his earthly ministry Jesus was a minister of the circumcision (Rom 15:8). He confined his ministry to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Mat 10:5-6). He gave the keys of the kingdom to a remnant of Israel that believed he was the Messiah (Luke 12:32, Mat 19:28).
Being one of Jesus disciples, James picks up where Jesus left off in his ministry to Israel. It is not surprising to find James teaching Jesus message of the law and the prophets to the remnant twelve tribes.
---michael_e on 10/11/19


There was no Nation of Israel, and hadn't been since God scattered them after Solomon's sin.

Since Jesus wasnt KING of Israel as He went to the CROSS, the Nation as a whole was set aside immediately after Jesus death and resurrection, where when we see the Secomd coming with the Church THEN and ONLY THEN will there be a Nation of Israel where those Kingdom promises will be fulfilled when JESUS in all His Glory sits on the Throne.

Not even now is there a Nation of Israel.

YES PLEASE LEARN TO RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF GOD.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


Discovering the audience of a book of the Bible is chiefly important in rightly dividing the word of truth.
Without right division you wont make it past the first verse of the book. James 1:1 is a clear and inspired
It should be clear that the twelve tribes refers to the nation Israel (Gen 49:28, Deut 1:23, Exo 28:21, Josh 3:12).
Despite simple cross references, many say James wrote to Jew and Gentile.
Every Bible student today worth his salt understands Pauls doctrine of a Gentile inclusive church: Col 1:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Gal. 2:7-9 is very clear
---michael_e on 10/11/19


James is saying the same thing in James own words. Count it all JOY MY FRIENDS...

Romans 5 :1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience,

4 And patience, experience, and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


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Yes, because Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles and James and Peter and John took to the Jews, however their letters are to every believer in the BOC today, both Jew and Gentile, or as Paul said TO THE JEW FIRST and then to the Gentile.

We enter the Kingdom of God through much tribulation so says Paul in Acts....and James helps guide the way, beginning in James 1 concerning those trials and tribulations we endure RIGHT NOW. ..even using JOB as an example of suffering..NOT LAW.

Those who have no such testimony of these trials and tribulations WE SUFFER NOW, as the BOC, makes me wonder about those claiming to be in the BOC yet never have experienced what we are ALL TO EXPERIENCES.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


James is not about the Law at all but about enduring through trials and tribulations, we endure through FAITH, just as Rahab and Abraham did. James 1 begins re trials and tribulations and James 5 Concludes in verses 10-11 TRIALS and TRIBULATIONS. Paul says in Romans 5 along with many places tribulation works patience...one of the FRUIT OF THE SPIRIT, not in any way associated with the LAW, and the law cannot produce FRUIT.

Those who see James as the LAW have no clue what life UNDER GRACE is about. James is simply over their heads showing they have not matured at all under GRACE.
---kat453 on 10/11/19


James clearly states that he writes to the twelve tribes and my brethren, Israelites, scattered by the persecution of unbelieving Israel.
Writing to the twelve tribes, James writes concerning the faith and hope of Israel. During this time the gospel of the kingdom was preached by Peter proclaiming the last days before Christs return (Acts 2:16-17, 3:19-21).
Instead of having hope based on the preaching of the cross, Israels hope was in the salvation offered by the coming Holy One and promised kingdom (Luke 1:68-75). It's this information Peter presented for acceptance by faith.(Acts 2:36)
Peter called Israel to repent and perform works necessary to exhibit their repentance according to what Jesus had taught.
---michael_e on 10/10/19


James never says works of the law, and gives examples of faith as Rahab protecting Joshua and Caleb, or Abraham obeying God and BY FAITH, offering Isaac as the Law was not in force until 430 years later, is clearly not nor was any law of Moses. Hebrews 11 show name after name of all who lived by faith, and never once mentions the law in any way.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/19


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Although works could never in themselves save sinful humanity, they were required under the law for the obedience of faith. Since James faith was in the obedience of the law according to the commands of the Messiah, then a faith in works without works would be vain.
Works were needed for justification before the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery.
---michael_e on 10/10/19


James never says salvation requires work. James is not talking about salvation but our sanctification.....as Paul says to those in Galatia who were already saved....HAVING BEGIN UN THE SPIRIT ARE YOU NOW BEING MADE PERFECT BY THE FLESH....You have fallen from Grace.

If they had only BEGUN in the spirit, wouldn't it suggest we CONTINUE in the Spirit? And they didn't! They went back after and went under the Law..falling from Grace. We don't CONTINUE in hopes of being saved, but continue as Paul states in Philippians 3...I PRESS ON.

Please folks don't sit on your duffs and think you take no part in your WALKING BY FAITH DAILY.
---kath4453 on 10/10/19


It really means adding to what is required of people in faith, and we shouldn't do it. Sometimes young people are burdened with what are really other people's personal preferences, rather than strict requirements from Scripture.
---M on 10/10/19


Legalism is when salvation requires works as James says
Grace is when salvation is without your works Eph 2:8-9, Rom 4:5, 11:6
Legalism is when your standing/identity is determined by behavior
Grace is when your standing/identity is determined by sound doctrine by faith
Legalism is easy because someone else tells you how to live, hard because you are not changed
Grace is easy because the work has been done in Christ, hard because it requires study
---michael_e on 10/9/19


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Never answer someone who answers your question with a question.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/19


Cluny, sodomy, even friendly sodomy is an abomination to God. Admit it, deal with it, and let's move on.

Attacking me in every thread because I hit a nerve needs to end...
---kathr445 on 10/8/19


\\You've proved it doesn't work. You have no self control .....all these attacks are proof.\\

On the other hand, kath (by all of the screen names) has GREAT self control.

It's so strong, in fact, s/he almost never answers my direct questions.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/19


Cluny you're the one promoting fasting, so if it doesn't keep your attacks under control, why do you keep promoting it. You've proved it doesn't work. You have no self control .....all these attacks are proof.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/19


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\\I get that Cluny....everything you teach is your own personal interpretation.
---kath4453 on 10/6/19\\

I realize you NEVER give your own personal interpretation, kath.

\\So again you have PROVED the verse does not mean what you think it means, by your very own FASTING FAIL, otherwise your attacks would stop. \\

Three questions:

1. What do YOU think this verse means?

2. Do you think that if you fasted, your attacks against me would stop?

3. Why do you have so many screen names?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/19


Cluny, you're the one promoting fasting to bring your sinful desires under control, however your fasting fail is showing by your showing a hateful rant here on line attacking me.....no matter what you accuse me of doing. You cannot prove fasting brings anything under control by your own actions. You are the one trying to prove something by fasting, and have totally failed to show in reality buffeting your own tongue and bringing it under control.

So again you have PROVED the verse does not mean what you think it means, by your very own FASTING FAIL, otherwise your attacks would stop.
---kathr4463 on 10/6/19


Ok so show a verse where fasting is humbling the flesh.....

Those who are CHRISTS have CRUCIFIED the flesh...Galatians 5:22-25......no verse says humbling the flesh. Two entirely different things.

So your verse in 1 Corinthians is only YOUR personal interpretation, and not scriptural.

I get that Cluny....everything you teach is your own personal interpretation.
---kath4453 on 10/6/19


kath, is 1 Cor 9:27 in your Bible?

''27But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.''

One of the ways Christians bring their bodies into subjection ("humble the flesh," as one translation puts it) is by fasting.

The extreme physical acts you enumerated are simply NOT the way Orthodox do things.

But I've noticed that truth means nothing to you.

BTW, I've noticed that you very seldom give Scripture to support your points.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/19


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I'd rather hear a verse from scripture than something from WiKi.

Jesus came to set us free, through His death and resurrection, not just a means to an end, but an end of bondage to sin once and for all.

Walking on nails, self flogging, self starvation, self anything won't get you there....their not a means whatsoever to being set free, OR standing in the Liberty AKA FREEDOM where Christ has made us free.

Cluny does not know what the verse means. Romans 6-8 say absolutely nothing of fasting or anything of the like.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/19


"Fasting is a means to an end and not an end in itself. "

This is a quote from the wiki I mentioned earlier.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/5/19


That's funny. I've heard if Eastern, Russian, Orthodox. Funny Cluny thinks he's so unique and special ....fact is, he wants everyone to think he is...also superior to others faith, we're the true faith bla bla bla ...so let's all let him think so. He getting old and we can all witness his daily meltdowns.....it's actually sad.
---kath4453 on 10/4/19


\\ If we are in the spirit and no longer in the flesh,\\

Who's "we," Katho Sabe?

You might want to read Galatians 5:19ff and Matthew 15:19.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/19


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\\Now if another Orthodox would like to,come on line and represent the Orthodox faith, I'd love to discuss.\\

I really doubt that kath had even HEARD about the Orthodox faith until I mentioned it.

There was another one on here, screen name Ignatius, who was accused wrongly of being named after the founder of the Jesuits.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/19


So now the "will" is considered our spiritual physical side? Yikes! If we are in the spirit and no longer in the flesh, as this is what Paul teaches in Romans 8, and seeing many Christians in and of themselves not necessarily physical or even brag about being physical as some added dimension to our spirituality, and seeing God tests our faith in Him, not our physicality in ourselves, I will have to totally reject even the idea or wouldn't even waste my time reading such non biblical notions.

Joni Erikson Strada comes to mind as well. Totally dependent on the Lord, who has given her a will to live. The INNER MAN ....where His strength is made perfect in her weakness.

You might want to read her testimony.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/19


A deceased Orthodox Archpriest, Peter Gilquist, discussed fasting in his book THE PHYSICAL SIDE OF BEING SPIRITUAL.

There is also an Orthodox wiki where kath can find out anything desired.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/19


God never asked us to strengthen our will by gymnastics, He asked us to surrender our will....NOT MY WILL BUT THINE BE DONE. And really...God's will is already strengthened. Paul said Gods strength is made perfect in our weakness, meaning we need no such "gymnastic training" to submit our Will to doing Gods will OR realize HIS STRENGTH IN US AND THROUGH US. "NO LONGER I but Christ in me." They totally reject.

So again, I do not adhear to the Orthodox beliefs just out of what this Orthodox is saying here.

Now if another Orthodox would like to,come on line and represent the Orthodox faith, I'd love to discuss. But the one here now can't even stay on subject. No one was even discussing fasting.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/19


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OK so the Orthodox think they can accomplish the verses below just by fasting?...I guess I am ignorant about what the Orthodox believe. Thanks for the info.

Philippians 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death, 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/19


Cluny is getting pretty nasty on line here....no one calling him out? Hummm

Concerning equating fasting to being made conformable to His Death..Phil 3.....I've just never heard of anyone dying, or God even asking us to die by starvation. Not even Jesus died by fasting. And I'm not sure that when Jesus fasted 40 days He did it for the purpose of playing with death.

So I find the Orthodox belief that fasting is equil to the fellowship of His sufferings being made conformable to His death outrageous.

Sorry that so offends our Orthodox here, but that is trying to control your own sufferings....no scripture teaches such nonsense.
---kat453 on 10/3/19


kath, you will read about Christians fasting in acts.

As I have told you before, fasting is gymnastic training of the will, not an end in itself. After all, was Jesus torturing Himself when He fasted?.

Saying, "no" to little things like food makes it easier to shout, "NO!" to big things like sin.

Everything you say about Orthodoxy proves your utter ignorance of us. So you won't be thought a bigger idiot than you are, why don't you be silent about it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/19


I not only let this mind be in me, but I also KEEP IT there. Keeping this mind in you does not change the contest...only to the Orthodox who think fasting is obeying Phil 2:5-8

Philippians 2:5-8

5 Let the same mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus,

6 who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
as something to be exploited,
7 but emptied himself,
taking the form of a slave,
being born in human likeness.
And being found in human form,
8 he humbled himself
and became obedient to the point of death
even death on a cross.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/19


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To fast for the sake of torturing yourself thinking that is taking up your cross is wrong. To fast for the purpose of .....done in private .....like prayer etc has nothing to do with the fellowship of His Sufferings.

I think 1 Peter 4 talks about being partners of His Sufferings.
---kat453 on 10/3/19


Kath, do you think that fasting is wrong? Just curious.
---JS1234 on 10/2/19


\\
Js1234, scripture says to keep this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus who became obedient unto death. \\

This is a misquote, kath.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/19


Js1234, scripture says to keep this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus who became obedient unto death. Scripture also states in Philippians 3 the fellowship of His sufferings being made conformable to his death.....This is what picking up your cross means. You certainly didn't think it was telling you to build a cross out if wood and literally picking it up did you. ...like that would do something? YIKES

I DIE DAILY is another verse that means picking up your cross. Only through the POWER and Indwelling Holy Spirit can that be done. SELF RIGHTEOUS acts of walking on nails, flogging yourself, etc are not of God. It's called RELIGION. What the Pharisees did...
---kathr4453 on 10/2/19


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So you are saying that when Jesus tells us to take up our cross daily and follow him, he doesn't really mean it.
---JS1234 on 10/2/19


I believe Romans 8:11-13 say if we THROUGH THE SPIRIT MORTIFY AKA PUT TO DEATH, the deeds of the flesh.

This is not something we do ourselves. We do not crucify our own flesh. Not even Gal 2:20-21 say we do. That's what I'm saying where the Orthodox and RCC have it wrong...

What we do do is acknowledge we ARE CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, and obey Romans 6-8.

Also Galatians 5:22-25 say Those who ARE Christs "HAVE" Crucified the flesh. Doesn't say "we" do the crucifying, That's the work of CHRIST IN YOU.

Anything else is self sanctification...a 6 man made effort falling short.
---kathr4453 on 10/2/19


\\
The orthodox may not flog themselves, however any form of self sanctification is no different....\\

I wonder if kath's Bible has the exhortation to crucify the flesh with its passions and lusts.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/19


Is it also bad to fast? Does not Jesus say, "Take up your cross daily and follow me"?
---JS1234 on 10/1/19


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The orthodox may not flog themselves, however any form of self sanctification is no different....

I also believe if our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit, then abusing our bodies in any form, even modern day forms ...drug and alcohol abuse, smoking that causes cancer..gluttony ....but those things are between you and the Lord. AND if one chooses to abstain, we don't need the sarcasm of others being flippant about it.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/19


"Does this include the "drink not, smoke not, dance not" of many evangelicals?" I know of no commandments against any of those. But if there are, yes, they are included as a part of the rudiments of world.
---joseph on 10/1/19


\\They have an unteachable soul leaning towards traditions and self flogging leaning towards self sanctification....a 6.\\

Wrong again, kath.

Orthodox do NOT practice self-flagellation.

If you are laboring under the impression that Orthodoxy is just like Roman Catholicism, only without the pope, it shows your abysmal ignorance of both.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/19


God already KNOWS our human condition. And it's not our human condition God is dealing with, but our SPIRITUAL MATURITY of the NEW MAN IN CHRIST ...

Hebrews 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Orthodox and RCC however have a different belief than what scripture teaches. They have an unteachable soul leaning towards traditions and self flogging leaning towards self sanctification....a 6.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/19


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Nothing here about God showing us our human condition. No God is showing Jesus as our example to FOLLOW. As Paul says, Keep this mind in you that was also in Christ Jesus. And as we do, we see James 1 gives awesome wisdom to us when we are tested and tried.

And God is faithful to see us through, HIS STRENGTH is made perfect in our weakness. God wants to show us HIS STRENGTH AND HIS POWER WORKING THROUGH US.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

The Orthodox have it completely wrong.
---kat453 on 10/1/19


Our souls are tested and tried not to show God but ourselves our condition.

\\\So people are simply unteachable.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19\\

Projecting again?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/19


I remember too Markv said that God does not need to test/try our faith, and rejected James. I believe Hyper-dispensationalists also reject James because they simply do not understand it.

But Pauls faith was tried/ tested and he testifies to this through out all his epistles. James Paul Peter are all saying the same thing.
Here are scriptures to compare to one another:
James 1:1-4
1 Cor 10:13
2 Cor 11:23-28
2 Cor 12:7-9
1Peter 1:6-8
Galatians 4:14
2 Thesselonians 1:4
Luke 8:13

All state our faith is tried and tested. Pauls whole life was a trial and testing, he too said he had finished his course, and there is now laid up for him a crown of Righteousness..
2 Timothy 4:8
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19


Looks like another facetious comment here. I'd totally ignore since it was stated in a sarcastic way.

So people are simply unteachable.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19


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The yoke of bondage is the sensually based attempt to keep the law of carnal commandments, doctrines of men, and the rudiments of the world.
---joseph on 9/29/19\\

Does this include the "drink not, smoke not, dance not" of many evangelicals?

(BTW, I don't smoke and I drink VERY seldom, except for a sip of wine at Communion. My attempts at dancing would cause dangerous and destructive seismic disturbances.)

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/19


We also see in Galatians that these folks were already saved. So they weren't RESAVED when Paul said he would stay and form Christ in them AGAIN...we see in Galatians HAVING BEGUN IN TNE SPIRIT, are you Now being made perfect in the flesh....you have fallen from Grace. Paul is not talking about initial salvation, but proceeding on by faith from where they BEGAN. They BEGAN by justification.

The LIFE that I NOW LIVE I live by the Faith of Christ.. Galatians 2:20-21....is about our sanctification. We don't stop living by faith after we are saved. NOR do we go back under the Law after we are saved.
---kathr445 on 9/30/19


We are positionally perfect in Christ. However I believe James is addressing our sanctification aka GROWTH In Christ as Paul shows in Ephesians 4 that we are to GROW UP INTO HIM. Our growth is also BY FAITH....ACTS 26 "AND" SANCTIFIED BY FAITH, IS more than having your sins forgiven. God tests our faith, and for the purpose of maturity. So Paul uses the word OBEDIENCE OF FAITH, where James uses the word WORKS OF FAITH. Philippians 3. The fellowship of His sufferings is very real. All done by faith .
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19


Citing James 2:14-26, many justify a performance-based faith.
In order for faith to be dead the substance of their faith must be inactive. That is, if our faith is in Christs work on the cross, a dead faith would be like preaching a dead Jesus who couldn't perform what he promised (Romans 4:19-21).
Faith in the cross of Christ means full assurance of salvation because God is able to perform that which we could not, a proper atonement of our sins.
Our faith can only be dead if the work of Christ was insufficient.
Don't be robbed of God's grace by lack of right division.
James taught faith that required works in order to be perfect, we are given a perfect position by our faith in Christ alone. (2 Cor 5:21, Phil 3:12)
---michael_e on 9/30/19


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Joseph I totally agree, and has no place whatsoever in the Gospel of Grace. Ephesians 2:1-10. Galatians 6:11-18 is another place we see GRACE plus nothing defined. Galatians 2:20-21 another key note we see is all concluded in Chapter 6.
The Yoke of Bondage chooses to mix Matthew Kingdom LAW with Grace as did those who came int Galatia and tried to judaize the Galatians, as we see so many still do today.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19


\\Not even the ORTHODOX believe in GRACE PLUS NOTHING..\\

Neither did Jesus, if Matthew 25 means anything.


Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/19


\\But thanks for adding to my rewards with your NASTY NASTY comments. \\

What "NASTY NASTY comments" have I made? Please be specific.

\\I'll be sure to trample your questions pointing out all questions from you show how stupid you must be to even ask them in the first place.\\

Now who's being nasty?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/19


The yoke of bondage is the sensually based attempt to keep the law of carnal commandments, doctrines of men, and the rudiments of the world.
---joseph on 9/29/19


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That's correct Cluny, it's what Gods word says it is. However many have their own definition, as do you.

I believe JS1234 has the right answer. Cluny had no answer.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/19


Cluny, I know what Galatians is about....but not everyone else does.

Many don't even know what LIBERTY means....so why would they know that the yoke of bondage means being put back under the law? Not even the ORTHODOX believe in GRACE PLUS NOTHING...so Cluny it appears YOU yourself don't know what it means.

But thanks for adding to my rewards with your NASTY NASTY comments.

I'll be sure to trample your questions pointing out all questions from you show how stupid you must be to even ask them in the first place.
---kath453 on 9/28/19


It's not a question about what "yoke of bondage" means to us, but what St. Paul himself meant in this context.

Galatians was written to a group of the church of Galatia who were Judaizing.

THIS is the "yoke" to which St. Paul is referring.

kath, you don't seem to know the Bible as well as you want others to think you do.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/28/19


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