Well we need to look to scripture for the definition of CHURCH. Colossians 1:24-27 as well as explained at the end of Ephesians, a mystical union with Christ, becoming one with Him and Adam and Eve as a TYPE of this oneness explained in Ephesians. We are baptized INDIVIDUALLY into Christs death, and raised up together WITH HIM IN Heavenly places IN CHRIST.
We believe in the deity of Christ. So just because you may think you are above it all railing against denominations doesn't mean YOU are THE CHURCH....THE ONE AND ONLY REAL CHURCH.
---kathr4453 on 3/13/20|
Wherever two or more are gathered.
I remember during the fifties and sixties how christians used to get together and enjoy each other's company, have a good time and truly grow in Christ. I remember my folks having get-togethers, but it was a wonderful gathering of friends and families. I don't believe there's much of this around anymore, and that's a shame.
The word "church" has a completely different meaning today than in Jesus' time. Today it means a building or a denomination just how the word is used. Today's people who go to these worldly, man-made denominational "churches" are hearers of the word only.
---Steveng on 3/9/20|
Mine is on now Jerry. I've put on Christ NOW, so that sound of the trump re Colossians 3:1-4..that when Christ who is my life Colossians 1:24-27 should appear, I will appear with Him IN GLORY, or death unexpected will not catch me off guard as I will be of the first resurrection. I've already died with Christ, Romans 6 Colossians 3:1-4, and have already been raised up together with Him, Ephesians 2:6 ( present tense) so there will be no sting of death for me.
Read 1Cor 15, about the Last Adam being that quickening aka LIFE GIVING SPIRIT.
Also rich in 1 Cor 15 explains how .( using a grain of seed as an example) must die first to bring forth fruit.
Put on immortality now Jerry, before the Trumpet sound or you die.
---kathr4453 on 3/8/20|
Katty" "we "put on" IMMORTALITY."
Yes, but when?
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must PUT ON IMMORTALITY.
The last trump has not yet sounded!
---jerry6593 on 3/7/20|
Steveng, here is a small sampling OF MY BIBLE, it's called the KJV, you may want to read. It's what 1 Corinthians 15 is all about. Oh and yea the one in John 6...to eat My flesh and drink MY BLOOD. Jesus absolutely talked about Himself.
JOHN 11:17, John 11:25...I AM THE resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
---kathr4453 on 3/5/20|
And Steveng, if your basement church teaches what you just said that Jesus never talked about Himself then your home church is a cult. The more you post nonsense, the more I understand why so many give you a hard time.
---kat453 on 3/5/20|
Jesus did not come to talk about himself. He and the apostles taught about God and how to glorify him. Jesus and the apostles taught the coming Kingdom of God and how we are suppose to set our eyes upon. That's the good news. Nothing more, nothing less. They also taught us on how to get there.
I strongly suggest reading the bible without the verse and chapter numbers. You will then be able to read the bible in context.
---Steveng on 3/4/20|
Steveng, I'm not sure I understand you. I posted scripture AKA THE WORD OF GOD, below, showing many verses of the Gospel. Do you get your gospel off a box of Cheerios? Or are you just trying to be funny...ha ha, but I don't see the humor.
Where is Jesus Gospel in 4 words or less? Your turn. Even John 3:16 is more than 4 words.
---kathr4453 on 3/4/20|
Kathr, Jesus didn't talk about himself. What did Jesus and the apostles teach? All denominational "churches" teach a different gospel than what is taught in the bible.
---Steveng on 3/3/20|
Romans 15:1-4 is the gospel . Romans 10:9-10 is the gospel.
Colossians 1:24-27 is the Gospel
Romans 6-8 is the Gospel
Colossians 2 is the Gospel
Why 4 words or under? Are you slow and can only process 4 words at a time? Does your worship service limit words to only 4? Sad. Or are my posts simply over your head?
---kathr4453 on 3/3/20|
Samuel didn't you know the Gospel includes our putting off the old and putting on Christ NOW, called having ETERNAL life. This is where you all miss the boat, and take a wrong turn concerning your soul. I now today am a new CREATURE in Christ , and because of that there is no sting of death. Finish reading 1 Corinthians 15 to the end. It begins with the Gospel, and ends with the Gospel.
---kat453 on 3/3/20|
First Kathyr Jerry is talking about death and our bodies. Not the Gospel. We put on immortality after the resurrection. It is a gift from GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 3/3/20|
I can name that tune in two:
---kathr4453 on 3/3/20|
In four words or less, what is the gospel?
---Steveng on 3/2/20|
Jerry, that's why it's so important to be IN CHRIST WHO IS OUR LIFE. We are given immortality only IN CHRIST. The New Creature IN CHRIST....we "put on" IMMORTALITY. 1 Corinthians 15:53-54. Is's so openly stated in scripture. Also reiterated in ALL OF COLOSSIANS , Romans 13:14, Galatians 3:27, and Galatians 2:20-21.
Why don't you believe the Gospel? Yes the soul that sinneth shall die, BUT JESUS CAME TO SAVE OUR SOULS FROM DEATH, to wash away our sinful soul with His Blood. NOW..TODAY. 1 John also reiterates this.
---kathr4453 on 3/1/20|
bryan: "However what Kath says about the Soul agrees with what I've heard."
But it doesn't agree with the Bible:
1Ti 6:16 [Jesus] Who ONLY hath immortality
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man BECAME a living SOUL.
Eze 18:20 The SOUL that sinneth, it shall DIE.
Psa 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth, in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing
---jerry6593 on 2/29/20|
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Immortality has a beginning for each christian had a beginning, but will be able to live forever after Christ.
---Steveng on 2/26/20|
True Christ alone had immortality. Since immortality has not beginning or end.
Enoch and Elijah were given immortality before they died. They didn't have it till GOD gave them life eternal.
Our bodies are our earthly tabernacle.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/23/20|
Enoch and Elijah are dead...
... as ALL men as written is scripture. No man has gone to heaven as written in scripture except, of course, Jesus. If Jesus lied about what he said in John 3:13 then why should we believe anything else he said?
...'all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty-five years' (Gen.5:23) Do a search for the phrase "all the days" in an online bible like Biblegateway.
A letter was written by Elijah ten years after he was taken by a whirlwind (2 Chronicles 21:12-15) Elijah was relocated to excape wicked men who wanted him killed and to serve another divine purpose.
Christ alone has immortality (1 Tim.6:16) as of this day.
---Steveng on 2/23/20|
kathr: "I don't believe anyone now who has gone home to heaven is in a physical body at this time."
How about Enoch and Elijah?
---jerry6593 on 2/22/20|
Check out both the condition and purpose of the tabernacle as noted in the Old Testament. It was built and maintained under very strict guidelines, and the purpose was a temporary place for God to appear and stay. Fast forward, in my personal opinion this means two things for today, we are to respect our human bodies as a dwelling of God and we are to maintain it as long as we are on earth.
---wivv on 10/15/19|
Joseph, in Hebrews 12 we see how the spirits of just men made perfect, are described as spirits at this time, so it appears they won't get their new glorified bodies yet until the first resurrection, where we shall be like Him, where only Jesus has been resurrected and has a glorified body. So between now and then, those who die who are saved are present with the Lord in His tabernacle made without hands. Colossians 3:1-4 give more insight that we are hidden with God in Christ, not only now but will never be separated from Christ who is our life.
I don't believe anyone now who has gone home to heaven is in a physical body at this time.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/19|
Bryan you have understood my position. Kath I simply don't believe that man will ever be with the Lord without a tangible physical body, whether it is Earthly or Heavenly.
---joseph on 10/3/19|
Joseph I will have to think on what you've said. The carnal nature as our "earthly house" sounds reasonable, considering the carnal mind is "enmity against God" and can't be subject to His laws. However what Kath says about the Soul agrees with what I've heard.
---bryan on 10/2/19|
\\As long as we are at home, or comfortable in that sensually based nature, or mindset, and dependent upon our senses, we are absent from, or not abiding in the Lord, because believers, walk by faith, and not by sight.\\
Does this mean that when we use our God given sense of sight to see and read the words in printed Bibles, we are not walking by faith?
St. Paul and David say that the created world points to God's glory, When we behold it in wonder, are we walking by faith or sight?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/19|
Joseph, it could also be something deeper, considering this verse. Saying the body of this body sounds redundant. I believe Paul is talking about something deeper, like those IN CHRIST as we are HIS BODY. It's very possible he's talking about the souls of those saved and IN CHRIST whether we are here or absent from the body and present with the Lord.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building,
---kathr4453 on 10/2/19|
I also don't believe 2 Corinthians 5:1 is a stand alone verse, but must be read including verses 2-8 with verse 1, concludes in verse 8. Paul is talking about the BOC, the CHURCH, those IN CHRIST, will never be separated from Christ whether here in the body or dead, and separated from our body. Our SOUL goes home to be with the Lord.
Also Romans 8'says NOTHING including death can separate us from the Love of God IN CHRIST.
2 Corinthians 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
---kath453 on 10/2/19|
Bryan Keep in mind that the word tabernacle verse 1, and verse 4, is used to represent the corporeal human body. The term "earthly house" in verse 1, is being represented by the word "body" in verse 6, and I believe that it is used in the same way that the word body is used in the phrase "body of sin" in Rom. 6:6, and is representative of the carnal nature that man abides in from birth. As long as we are at home, or comfortable in that sensually based nature, or mindset, and dependent upon our senses, we are absent from, or not abiding in the Lord, because believers, walk by faith, and not by sight.
---joseph on 10/2/19|
I agree with Brian, it is two different things....the house OF this tabernacle. Just like our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean our body IS the Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/19|
"Where did you get the idea that "earthly house" and "our tabernacle" were two different things, Bryan?" Because the words reads as separate words with separate meanings. The "earthly house" 'of this' "tabernacle". Seems clear to me.
---bryan on 9/30/19|
Maybe it is based on those verses. Maybe this house is our flesh, and tabernacle is our soul. So if our house here is desolved, our soul will have a house in heaven not made with hands.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19|
Here is the verse in the ASV of 1901.
For we know that if the earthly house of our tabernacle be dissolved, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal, in the heavens.
Where did you get the idea that "earthly house" and "our tabernacle" were two different things, Bryan?
It's clearly talking about our physical bodies, both now, and then at the Resurrection.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/19|
"It's talking about our physical bodies." Cluny If earthly house refers to the physical body, what does "this tabernacle" refer to?
---bryan on 9/30/19|
Scripture says our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
Remember Jesus saying if you tear down this temple AKA tabernacle I will raise it up in three days. He was talking about His Body.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/19|
It's talking about our physical bodies.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/29/19|