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Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy

A quick quiz on basic Christian doctrine.

Who can tell us what are the seven spiritual works of mercy, the seven corporeal works of mercy, and the sins calling out to heaven for vengeance?

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STRONGAXE are you saying the subject of S & G was about Abraham? And whether Abraham could stop God? If so,,,,then you were not paying attention either.
---kathr4453 on 10/15/19


Kathr: God KNEW there were not any but Lot, his wife and daughters....so 4 , (not 1) escaped, except Lots wife looked back.//

I mistakenly said 1 man, but actually there were 3 men as I wrote in my last post.

So, actually 6 people could have been saved.

The son-in-laws. Remember, the Angels asked Lots if anyone else belonged to his family.

Genesis 19:12-13

//For someone to say without any FACTS that if Abraham had said (one person) that God would have not destroyed S & G and surrounding cities//

YUP!

God changes His mind all the time.

Jonah 3:10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, He RELENTED and did not bring on them the destruction He had threatened.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/15/19


kathr4453:

You wrote: Why is it when Nicole pops in the subject changes....

There are almost 75 messages on this blog about "Seven Spiritual Works Of Mercy", and I can only find maybe 3 about that actual subject, yet you accuse Nicole of changing the subject?!
---StrongAxe on 10/14/19


I also don't see where God put it in Abrahams hands in the first place, nor did God say...HAY ABRAHAM, IF you can guess the lucky number of Righteous in S & G I won't destroy ..

So RICH, as in totally laughable.

The subject is WHY God destroyed Nicole, not IF He would change His mind if Abraham won at some sort of ....OF YOU CAN GUESS THE LUCKY NUMBER, ...

Why is it when Nicole pops in the subject changes....
---kathr4453 on 10/14/19


If Abraham continued going down to one person he would have saved the cities. Even though he didn't, God saved the only one man anyway. Nicole////

So now you are God or got some special revelation not in scripture? How do you know that?

Your argument is stupid Nicole. I don't think you even know what it's about but just like to be contrary.

We do know they were evil before the Angels came to get Lot out. And it looks like only 4 minus Lots wife who looked back made it out. God destroyed the cities as they were running out of there. Peter gives more insight as well.
---kathr4453 on 10/13/19




For someone to say without any FACTS that if Abraham had said (one person) that God would have not destroyed S & G and surrounding cities , like Abraham is telling God what he can and can't do. THATS RICH! Some may want to read the Book of JOB to get more perspective...especially the end Chapters where God puts them all in their place.

God already KNEW beforehand ...as God is all knowing...Abraham is not. And God does not always say YES to our requests.
God KNEW there were not any but Lot, his wife and daughters....so 4 , (not 1) escaped, except Lots wife looked back.
---kat453 on 10/13/19


Kathr, the comparison are that God planned to destroy the cites but changed His Mind.

If Abraham continued going down to one person he would have saved the cities. Even though he didn't, God saved the only one man anyway.

Remember Genesis 18:23 Then Abraham approached him and said: Will you SWEEP away the righteous with the wicked?

Because of Abraham, God didn't sweep the righteous with the wicked.

Lot and his family wasn't killed with the wicked.

Nineveh inhabitants became righteous at the last moment after been warned.

The men were also warned by Lot but refused to listen. Genesis 19:6-9.

Don't forget V 12 and esp. V 14. The son-in-laws DIDN'T believe Lot.

In Nineveh THEY BELIEVED JONAH.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/13/19


Acts 15:18 - Known to God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
---RichardC on 10/13/19


Nicole_Lacey:

In Gen. 18, God heard reports about the wickedness in Sodom, and decided to see if reports were true. Sodom had ALREADY done wicked things, and God had ALREADY decided IN ADVANCE to destroy it, if those reports were verified.

In Gen. 19, angels went to Sodom, and we know what happened. But God's decision to destroy Sodom was already made BEFORE the angels even went there: 19:13: "For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the Lord, and the Lord HATH SENT us to destroy it."

I never said God can't change his mind. Jonah proves he can. Why do you put words in my mouth?
---StrongAxe on 10/13/19


There is a stark contrast between Ninevah and Sodom and Gammorah in that Jonah told the people God was going to destroy Ninevah in so many days. Jonah never said REPENT OR.... So the people themselves without even being given an ultimatum repented and God did change his mind, and Jonah was actually angry about that.

Sexual perversion as JUDE so clearly stated was rampant just as we see them attacking the Angels they thought were men....The Angels warned Lot and family to get out ASAP because God was going to destroy and don't look back. PERIOD. God already knew there were not 10 righteous in Sodom and Gammorah. Abraham is the one who didn't .
---kathr4453 on 10/13/19




StrongAxe: My point was that God had ALREADY DECIDED to destroy Sodom,//

Got it and you are wrong. If there were 10 righteous people you would accuse God of NOT keeping His Word.

Suggesting that God couldn't or can't change His Mind.

It isn't any different with Nineveh.

Jonah 1:1 and 3:4-5.

God said He was going to destroy the people because of their wickedness.

One group repented not the other.

Destruction is dependent on the people.

//Thus, the attempt to rape the angels had NOTHING to do with why he wanted to destroy the city.//

Who said that?

The Angels were sent to save Lot and his family not to test the people. Thus showing us the people had no intention of repenting.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/19


Deuteronomy 22:5 - The women shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on women's garments : For all that do so are a abomination unto the Lord,
---RichardC on 10/12/19


Nicole_Lacey:

You're totally missing my point. My point was that God had ALREADY DECIDED to destroy Sodom, long before he sent the angels there. Thus, the attempt to rape the angels had NOTHING to do with why he wanted to destroy the city.
---StrongAxe on 10/12/19


Kathr, just read your past comments to everyone.

Cluny, I think I understand. Because women and children are not counted. I am right?

StrongAxe, ever heard of 'You can't go outside the 4 corners of a contract'?

God told Abraham He was going to destroy the cities because of their wickedness. (Which He didn't have to tell Abraham in the first place).

Abraham, convince God to forget the wick/evil people, but focus on the 10 Righteous people.

God agreed. Since there wasn't 10 men. He decided to save the only 1 man before destroying the cities.

Which made Abraham successful in many ways.

Which btw that wasn't the agreement.

That's why God is Kind and Merciful.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/12/19


Nicole_Lacey:

What make you think that? Abraham was successful.

Not really. He got God to lower the number, but that didn't stop God from destroying Sodom anyway.

Are you suggesting God planned to go back on His Word?

No. God HAD ALREADY DECIDED to destroy Sodom. THEN, he told Abraham about that. THEN, Abraham tried to talk him out of it, but failed. THEN God sent the angels.
---StrongAxe on 10/12/19


\\What make you think that? Abraham was successful.

He got God to spare the wicked people for the sake of 10 righteous people.\\

But remember, Nicole, that Abraham could not find the 10 righteous men. (I think this is why 10 men are required for a quorum to hold synagogue services.)

Read more about it in Genesis 19.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/11/19


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Nicole, your behavior speaks for you....You're still up to your deceitful tricks. Anyone who claims they went to nursing school has to have half a brain at least....and should know the meaning of duplicity. You intentionally misquoted me to be malicious. Same ol Nicole. Still spending all her time posting nonsense I'm not even going to read.

On the other hand,...with your thinking you are funny...you did say sodomy is a sin....in your own way. So good for you. Not a nun who hides and looks away and not report abuse, .....as it seems this life style is taught and excused in the Roman Catholic Churches. Must be why it's so rampant ....with Monks and Greek scholars rewriting scripture.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


Kathr: I guess that time off didn't do anything for you did it Nicole?//

How do you know that? Are you God?

I suggest you take time off.

Matthew 12:36

StrongAxe: let me break it down for you...Abraham tries to bargain him down, but fails.//

What make you think that? Abraham was successful.

He got God to spare the wicked people for the sake of 10 righteous people.

//Note that this point, God had ALREADY DECIDED to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.//

Are you suggesting God planned to go back on His Word?

You need to read Genesis 18 and 19 again.

The deal was 10 righteous people not 4.

6 short of 10.

//Genesis 18:20 occurred BEFORE 19:4.//

So does Genesis 18:32
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/11/19


Monk I believe the real meaning according to REAL Christian web sites means male prostitutes as was very common among the heathans and many in Greece and Roman orgies. Male prostitutes that accompanied other men. The friendly sodomy you all say is ok. Who knows how they dressed back when Paul wrote that....however I don't think Paul was saying men who dress in womans cloths will not enter the kingdom of God. Back then men probably didn't wear pants like they do today. So your argument is nil Monk.
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


kath, the word the KJV rendered "effeminate" means nothing more than "soft" in the mouth of the Savior.

As He said about St. John the Baptist, "What did you go out to see? A man wearing MALAKOS clothing? Those who wear MALAKOS clothing are in king's palaces."

Do you really think that Jesus meant, "a man dressed in drag"?

Please answer this question.
---Monk_Brendan on 10/11/19


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Nicole if you were paying attention also not taking someone's words out of context, only posting 1/2 the sentence is also an abomination to God ....so why do it? Another dishonest person here defending her people rather defending the Word if God.

I guess that time off didn't do anything for you did it Nicole?
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


Monk AGAIN, we are talking about the Word of God and HIS SPIRITUALITY. so why deflect? And why excuse the practice because...heck...
---kat453 on 10/11/19


john9346:

You wrote: Proove it??

A simple reading of the actual story would have done that, if you had actually bothered to look, but since you didn't, let me break it down for you:

Genesis 13:13: Men of Sodom were wicked and sinners

Genesis 18:20: Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah was great, and their sin was very grievious, God decided to destroy them. Abraham tries to bargain him down, but fails. Note that this point, God had ALREADY DECIDED to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah.

Genesis 19:1 The angels come to Sodom

19:4 The men surround them and demand to know them

19:24 God rained fire and brimstone on the city.

Genesis 18:20 occurred BEFORE 19:4.
---StrongAxe on 10/11/19


Just wanted to point out Nicole's dishonesty.

What we know it doesn't mean , is , it doesn't mean sodomy , even friendly sodomy with a non stranger is beautiful in the eyes of the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/19
---kath453 on 10/11/19


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strongaxe said, "God had decided to destroy Sodom long before the men decided to abuse the angels. That abuse was only one symptom of their evil, but was not the cause of it."

O really?

Proove it??
---john9346 on 10/10/19


Kathr: even friendly sodomy with a non stranger is beautiful in the eyes of the Lord.//

???

That's like saying friendly rape is beautiful in the eyes of the Lord.
---Nikki_Lacey on 10/10/19


kath, the word "sodomy" appears NOWHERE in the Greek NT.

Now, I will repeat a question I asked earlier that you ignored.

Do you think you are spiritually superior to people who have temptations, struggles, and even sins that you don't?
---Monk_Brendan on 10/11/19


No one needs a dictionary or STRONGS to understand the verses below.

1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

That's pretty clear to me. And no following verses that say....unless you give me a drink of water....but I'm sure someone will ...without any help from the Greek dictionary....tramp,e all over these verses as well, claiming ..WELL IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE VERSES ARE STRUCTURED....YIKES....talk about deflecting ....
---kathr4453 on 10/11/19


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Strongaxe, why are you off subject matter here? This blog is not about sentence structure....or an English or grammar lesson. And why are you defending sodomy, when God explicitly says it is an abomination to him? Do you think God wrote sentences we need you to explain the grammar structure of before we get it? The Unmatched wisdom of Strongaxe or Cluny? Hardly.
---kat453 on 10/11/19


kathr4453:

KJV "Earthquakes in divers places" suggests underwater tectonics to a non-English-speaker using only a dictionary.

Worldwide Church of God teach British Israelism (i.e. British are Lost Tribes of Israel) - Hebrew "brit" is "covenant" and "ish" is "man", hence "man of the covenant". But Hebrew GRAMMAR says "brit ish" MUST be translated "covenant of man" - something a dictionary will NOT tell you.

Attempting translation with only a dictionary tells you what words mean, not what sentences mean. "Man bites dog" vs. "dog bites man" - same words, different meaning (word order has different meaning in different languages).
---StrongAxe on 10/10/19


Galatians 5:19 - Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,

2 Timothy 2:22 - Flee youthful lusts, but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace, with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart,

1 Corinthians 7:2 - Nevertheless, Because of sexual immorality, Let each man have his own wife,and each woman her own husband,
---RichardC on 10/10/19


Monk, it's the same Greek word Cluny uses....no rocket science here.

What we know it doesn't mean , is , it doesn't mean sodomy , even friendly sodomy with a non stranger is beautiful in the eyes of the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/19


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Seven corporeal works of mercy:

To feed the hungry.
To give water to the thirsty.
To clothe the naked.
To shelter the homeless.
To visit the sick.
To visit the imprisoned, or ransom the captive.
To bury the dead.

Exodus 22:22-24
You shall not mistreat any widow or fatherless child. If you do mistreat them, and they cry out to me, I will surely hear their cry, and my wrath will burn, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives shall become widows and your children fatherless.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/10/19


kath, the incomplete lexica in Strong's are not the ultimate word ini Biblical lexicography.

For one thing, the pronunciations of Greek are incorrect.
---Monk_Brendan on 10/10/19


Also Strongaxe, anyone can get a STRONGS CONCORDANCE and look up the original Greek word and definition. Anyone!
So no one needs Cluny at all here. Not even you.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/19


\\All your answers on this subject, as Cluny keeps spinning Romans 1 Jude, Leviticus etc come directly from the GayChristian web site.\\

You are mistaken.

I've never been to such a site.

My cursory search revealed there is no such site with this name. And if there were, how would you know about it, unless you go there yourself.

Finally, a question:

Do you think you are spiritually superior to people who have temptations, struggles, and even sins that you don't?
---Monk_Brendan on 10/10/19


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Try again Strongaxe, no where in Leviticus does God say sodomy is ok with familiar flesh or consensual flesh . Try again.

All these excuses and twists of scripture are coming from the GayChristian website. I'm not interested in their twist...however other more grounded in scripture sites disagree with your take. STRANGE does not mean RAPE....oh please!

Adam and Eve became ONE FLESH....Adam and Steve would not be one flesh...but the Union of STRANGE FLESH.
---kathr4453 on 10/10/19


All sin (missing the mark of Gods perfection) can be considered an abomination. All sin separates us from God and is detestable to Him (Romans 3:23, 6:23, Proverbs 15:9). Gods hatred of sin makes Christs sacrifice on the cross all the more remarkable. It was at the cross that God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). As He suffered and died for our sin, Jesus could identify with the psalmist: I am a worm and not a man, scorned by everyone, despised by the people (Psalm 22:6). Jesus took our abominations upon Himself and gave us the gift of His righteousness in return. All who put their trust in Him will be saved.

I agree with this statement.
---kat453 on 10/10/19


kathr4453:

You wrote: Ok Strongaxe, so you agree that Jude tells explicitly how God felt about Sodom and Gammorah long before the Angels appeared., siting not the daughters being inhospitable, but giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh .... And that it is a sin as we see in Leviticus and Romans 1, and that it is an abomination in God's eyes.

In Greek, "strange flesh" is "SARKOS HETEROS". Besides the obvious irony here, it means "the flesh of strangers" - i.e. RAPE. You just proved my point. But don't take my word for it, as I'm not a Greek scholar, and have limited understanding. However, Cluny IS a Greek scholar, and I welcome his expert opinion on this.
---StrongAxe on 10/9/19


Ok Strongaxe, so you agree that Jude tells explicitly how God felt about Sodom and Gammorah long before the Angels appeared., siting not the daughters being inhospitable, but giving themselves over to fornication and going after strange flesh .... And that it is a sin as we see in Leviticus and Romans 1, and that it is an abomination in God's eyes.

Thank you,

That is all.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/19


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kathr4453:

You wrote: Strongaxe, being raped is inhospitable...wouldn you say?

Yes, and I Have said that exact thing, twice. It was OUTRAGEOUSLY inhospitable, and hence demanded an outrageously harsh punishment.

If the men of Gibeah had only murdered the woman, the penalty would have been one life for one. Yet this incident provoked such outrage that it sparked a war where TENS OF THOUSANDS died on EACH SIDE. This means it was considered MUCH MUCH worse than mere murder.

God had decided to destroy Sodom long before the men decided to abuse the angels. That abuse was only one symptom of their evil, but was not the cause of it.
---StrongAxe on 10/8/19


Monk sodomy, even friendly sodomy is an abomination to God. It's clear in Leviticus. Do you really need God to draw you pictures too? If you reject the ones in Leiticus, why ask for more proof. Those are clear as day.
---kathr4453 on 10/9/19


Also why bother listing ANY VERSES Monk when you all obviously get your own answers and spin from a gaychristian website.

All your answers on this subject, as Cluny keeps spinning Romans 1 Jude, Leviticus etc come directly from the GayChristian web site. REAL CHRISTIAN sites like Got Questions etc where many pastors groups never spin those verses as you all do, and actually show HOW and WHO is spinning them.

I'm not interested in the GayChristian spin. So why are you? We see the results of your spin right in the news every day, and the horrible abomination that has taken place for the last 2000 years you all continued on from Rome before its fall.
---kathr445 on 10/9/19


Strongaxe, being raped is inhospitable...wouldn you say?


Not are his little brother...ATE. Anyone rembember HeeHaw?
---kathr4453 on 10/8/19


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Cluny, Strongaxe sodomy is a sin period. Stop trying to spin the conversation. Jude, Leviticus, Romans, and Genesis are very clear on the subject. There is no such thing as friendly sodomy.....so there it is. SODOMY IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD. PERIOD.

AND EVERY THREAD CLUNY CHOOSES TO HARASS ME ON, I WILL ANSWER BACK WITH THIS SAME MESSAGE.

SODOMY IS AN ABOMINATION TO GOD.

So you can either stop your harassment , seeing I hit a nerve, or this is going to be your forever reply from me, letting everyone know exactly why you are stalking me in the first place. You decide.
---kathr445 on 10/8/19


Kathr said, "There are over 21 verses addressing sodomy in scripture."

Kathr, please list ALL of those Scriptures!
---Monk_Brendan on 10/8/19


I'll bet Cluny hasn't had this much fun since the pigs are his little brother



HEEEE HAWWW
---kathr4453 on 10/8/19


\\What I see in Judges 19 and 20 is ISRAEL taking revenge against the tribe of Benjamin because of the gang rape of this man's wife/concubine.\\

And God never works through people, does He?

\\So if someone is saying rape is the result or consequence of being inhospitable .....that's just nuts.\\

And since you are implying here that rape is a sign of being hospitable, who is really being nuts?

The context of Romans 1 is about the vile rites of idolatry, which sometimes included male devotees emasculating themselves, "thus receiving in their own bodies the penalty of their disobedience."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/7/19


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kathr4453:

Nobody said rape is the consequence of being inhospitable. I said rape (or any crime) committed against YOUR own guests (i.e. strangers who rely on YOUR hospitality) is an outrageous breach of that hospitality.

Hospitality was very important to ancients. Not caring for strangers could mean their deaths. Google: Xenia.

Breach of hospitality was the worst of crimes. God nuked Sodom for it. Israel burned Gibeah to the ground, with God's blessing, with tens of thousands dead on each side. Benjamin's crime was siding WITH Gibeah in this.

Jacob's sons killed Schechem's whole village over Dinah's rape, but Jacob also criticized them, as murdering hosts who accepted you as guest was also outrageous.
---StrongAxe on 10/8/19


What I see in Judges 19 and 20 is ISRAEL taking revenge against the tribe of Benjamin because of the gang rape of this man's wife/concubine...Even refusing to give their daughters in marriage to the tribe of Benjamin. Chapter 20 goes with Chapter 19. Lot offered his daughters in place of his male guests. But I wonder what would have happened if the men took him up on that and raped Lots daughters.

When Dinah , Jacobs daughter was forced , they slaughtered all those people.

So if someone is saying rape is the result or consequence of being inhospitable .....that's just nuts.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/19


oK hummm....would one think mass murder is worse than incremental or serial murder? Shooting one a day isn't as bad as shooting all at once? REALLY? Can you back that up with scripture please. Interesting concept.
---kat453 on 10/7/19


Well it looks like the daughters were offered for a gang rape in both incidences...hummm...so gang rape is ok with ones daughters...

Interesting. So now we are seeing how some men see and think of women....the very ones who have no respect for women here on line. I kinda see a gang rape going on now....
---kathr4453 on 10/7/19


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Kathyr Both are sin. But gang rape is said to be worse.

Sodom and Gomarrah also ignored the poor.
---Samuelbb7 on 10/7/19


Yes Strongaxe it is and is what Jude is talking about as well concerning Sodom and Gammorah. So let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.........your saying according to Romans, men with men or women with women is not sexual sin...because it was with consent and not rape? The Problem with that is ...did God consent to this when he created man and woman, seeing levitical explicitly says nothing about it being ok as long as rape wasn't in the picture.

What are you saying...or trying to walk around?
---kathr4453 on 10/7/19


Kathy, did you read Judges 19 and compare it with Genesis 19?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/19


kathr4453:

"Bring out the strangers so we can lay with them" - "laying" with people without their consent is rape. Now, compare this with the situation in Gibeah. That was a very similar situation, which ended in a HETEROSEXUAL gang rape - the men in the town literally raped a woman to death. This was considered such an outrage, that men from each town in Israel were summoned to totally destroy that city.
---StrongAxe on 10/7/19


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Finally Cluny sees the sin of Sodom WAS ALSO sexual immorality just as it says in Jude. But gang rape was never said....just men desiring other men as Romans 1:26-28 also state.

FINALLY.
---kathr4453 on 10/6/19


\\I found the men in Sodom very friendly to strangers...TOO FRIENDLY in fact.\\

Since when is gang rape, even attempted, an act of friendliness?

\\So Ezekiel must be talking about something else.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/19\\

So are you saying that Ezekiel 16:49 should being "This was NOT the sin..."?

What do you think Ezekiel meant, kath?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/6/19


I have nothing to add to what StrongAxe said.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/4/19


Strongaxe, you will just have to go back to the beginning of the post and track from there. Sodom was brought up by JS1234, Cluny like always diverts the meaning by solely using Ezekiel, I countered with Jude, where again Cluny diverts that verse, where I then posted Romans CONCERNING SEXUAL IMMORALITY STATED IN JUDE, stating clearly Sodom and Gammorah. And now you want to divert.

No one is talking about feeding the poor and giving Jesus a drink of water and earning your way into heaven by good works.

Why the subject makes so called Christians uncomfortable is a mystery to me. I found the men in Sodom very friendly to strangers...TOO FRIENDLY in fact. So Ezekiel must be talking about something else.
---kathr4453 on 10/4/19


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kathr4453:

Yes, but why devote so much space to THAT one in particular? It's hardly mentioned elsewhere. Ezekiel 16:49 says what the real sin of Sodom was: i.e. "I was hungry, and you fed me not". In a desert culture, inhospitality is the worst of sins, as it can sentence a stranger to die.

Judges 19 talks: Gibeah was destroyed for the same reason. Matthew 10:15, 11:23-24, Mark 6:11, Luke 10:12: cities that reject the Apostles would be judged worse than Sodom. Why that comparison? Rejection is gross inhospitality.

Verses are easy to "mis"-understand when you yank them out of context. Sabbath breaking had the death penalty too. Have you personally stoned someons for shopping on Saturday? If not, why not?
---StrongAxe on 10/4/19


Here again are scriptures that support Romans 1:26-28 concerining a particular abomination in general. Just because it's OT law, some think we are no longer under, or try to explain it away right under your nose....don't let them. Sin is still sin.


You shall not lie with a male as with a woman, it is an abomination. (Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination, they shall surely be put to death, their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
---kathr4453 on 10/4/19


I find verses 26-28 simple to understand. I don't feel it needs to be explained away. I do find it interesting though that in these times it is explained away.
---kathr4453 on 10/3/19


kathr4453:

People often quote Romans 1:26-28 without considering context. Look at the sequence of chapter 1:

19-25 God revealed himself, but men turned away to worship creatures
26-27 So God CHANGED natural to unnatural
28-31 So God gave them over to a reprobate mind, full of wickedness, fornication, covetousness, malice, envy, murder, strife, gossip, backbiting, disrespect, boasting, disobedience, not understanding, covenant breaking, without natural affection, unmerciful
32 Knowing these are worthy of death, yet encouraging others to do the same

This is not an indictment of one small group, but of ALL mankind. 19-25 describe a willful fall of BELIEVERS, and 28-32 describe ALL kinds of wickedness.
---StrongAxe on 10/3/19


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Did someone here think I personally wrote Romans? Do men who don't have an attraction to woman, or vice versa, go after strange flesh they do have an attraction to? And they found scripture where God said it was ok? Or what?
---kathr4453 on 10/3/19


If men don't like women it doesn't mean that another man is ok.

Here's the thing.....God created man and women to desire one another. SIN entered and man because of sin has corrupted God's original plan of marriage between man and woman. If those who have no desire for marriage .. FINE, but not find if it's perverted the desires replace with strange flesh.

That's why Jesus came to set us free from sin and all perversions including lying cheating etc.
---kat453 on 10/3/19


BTW, kath, I forgot to mention that the context of the passage you quoted is talking about the vile rites of idolatry.

And if you read on to Romans 2:1, it says, "You who judge do these same things."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/3/19


\\27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.\\

How does this apply to men who were never attracted to women in the first place (or vice versa)?

Just how do you "leave" something you never had to start with?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/2/19


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We see from the beginning of creation how God feels, and there is no way anyone can wiggle out of this. The men in Sodom asked Lot to send out the Angels so they could KNOW THEM, Lot offering his daughters in their place.

Romans 1:26-28

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind,...
---kath4453 on 10/2/19


The original Greek of Jude 7 (since it is only one chapter, chapter number is unnecessary) for KJV's "strange flesh" is SARKOS ETEROS.

The Greek is the origin of the English expression "heterosexual."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/1/19


"Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy." (Ezekiel 16:49)

Good point!
---JS1234 on 9/30/19


Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

There are over 21 verses addressing sodomy in scripture.

Let's start with this one first. I'll be more than happy to supply the other 20. Those who want to excuse will try to cover up and explain away....BECAUSE.........

Jude knew EXACTLY what the sin of Sodom and Gammorah was. The Orthodox don't know?????? It's very plain here.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/19


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\\sodomy (Gn 18:20-21)\\

Read Ezekiel 16:49 for the sin of Sodom.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 9/30/19


There are particular mortal sins that are so evil that they are said to be sins that cry to heaven for vengeance: murder (Gn 4:10), sodomy (Gn 18:20-21), oppression of the poor (Ex 2:23), and defrauding workers of their just wages (Jas 5:4).
---JS1234 on 9/30/19


The Spiritual works include:

To instruct the ignorant.
To counsel the doubtful.
To admonish the sinners.
To bear patiently those who wrong us.
To forgive offenses.
To comfort the afflicted.
To pray for the living and the dead.
---JS1234 on 9/29/19


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