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StrongAxe: Stop being OBSESSED with the 13435 figure. Regardless of whether Trump lied 13000 times or 1000 times, he's still a pathological liar.//

I laughed so hard at your comment. Good one!

Do you see the irony?

You tell me to stop obsessing about the number I claim must be a LIE because there isn't any supporting citations.

I can swallow you all accusing him of lying 100, 1000 or even 3000 times. But nooooo, you all had to give a whopping 13,435 number.

Then you have the nerve to state rather it's one number or another, he is still a pathological liar.

So, because you all can't back up your lies about him lying, it makes Trump a liar?

I guess it takes liars to recognize a liar :D
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/21/19


Nicole_Lacey:

An unpoven allegation is not a lie. It's merely hearsay - UNLESS you can refute them all. Did you check out all of the ones on Politifact? Were those lies? There are SIX PAGES of lies so egregious, they rate them as "pants on fire". EACH of those leads to a DETAILED PAGE that list specifically WHY they determined that that specific statement was a lie. One you read those details, if you are still unsatisfied with them, THEN you can research further to see what part of that analysis is flawed.

Stop being OBSESSED with the 13435 figure. Regardless of whether Trump lied 13000 times or 1000 times, he's still a pathological liar. Look at the provided ones above and judge for yourself.
---StrongAxe on 11/21/19


StrongAxe: WaPo reported 13435 lies//

Seen it, ONLY hundred examples. Which 50% were wrong. 50% petty like my 'raining cats and dogs scenario I gave you.
br>Again, I want every 13,435 lies cited by REAL citations.

If you can't find it then it is a lie.

Because that is an odd number to use which means it is listed somewhere and a computer counted the lies.

Leftists think people are dumb. Maybe your constituents, but not Trump's constituents.

Please, try again

//Politifact provides detailed explanations on why each statement is a lie.//

No, they didn't.

'Each' means 13,435 explanations. You made that up.

BTW, I can't research NOTHING.

Go to the ZOO to see unicorns.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/21/19


Nicole_Lacey:

WaPo reported 13435 lies 6/10/2019. I can't read it now because of paywall. You may have better luck.

Politifact provides detailed explanations on why each statement is a lie. After reading them, if not satisfied, do more research yourself.

The reason I mentioned Benitez is you claimed he didn't serve time but got deported INSTEAD of them. No, he didn't. His crimes were due to PTSD from serving, that he didn't get treatment for - i.e. it's the military's fault ultimately.

Yes, seriously mentally ill people should not have weapons. Pity one of Trump's first acts was repealing Obama's rule ensuring that, so now they can easily get them.
---StrongAxe on 11/21/19


WE (i.e. Christians) are not under the law, and yet it IS still possible to sin. ---StrongAxe

(Romans 4:15)...where there is no law, there is no transgression.

StrongAxe
Do you still believe we can sin, where there is no Law?

Pauls meaning In (Romans 6:14-15), when reading the entire chapter.
Paul is directing this statement towards those who have died to sin...those who are no longer servants of sin (John 8:34).

They have died to sin, so they no longer serve under the Laws of omission (what we should not do) as described in (Matthew 19: 17-19), but under Grace, the Laws of Commission (what we should do) AKA, the Law of Christ.
---David on 11/21/19




StrongAxe: For starters, you can see some of the worst lies://

Soooooo, you did that to me before. The starters are also the finisher all at once.

I want the report as you put it that LISTED all 13000+.

There has to be one because you had an exact number. 13,560 I believe. Or you all just made up that number to make it look credible.

BTW, Politico facts needs the 'pants on fire' themselves.

If Trump said it is raining cats and dogs outside they marked it a lie.

No dogs or cats falling, just water. Trump lied again.

Everyone can use expressionism language but Trump
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/20/19


StrongAxe, Benitez only served 4 yrs in prison.

***...for convicted of several felonies, including a domestic violence charge following an incident involving his then-girlfriend, assault with a deadly weapon, DUI and narcotics-related offenses, the Times reported. He served four years in prison and lost his legal status, meaning his Green Card was revoked, as a result of TWO AGGRAVATED FELONY convictions. By Danielle Wallace Fox News

Note she got it from the Times.

Make up your mind. Does Democrats care about women or not? And do you all want DEADLY WEAPONS out of mental and dangerous people?

He didn't commit one felony, 2, 3, but 4 felonies.

How many felonies is too many for you before we can deport him?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/20/19


jerry6593:

Another flippantly useless comment, as usual.

You can either read what I say, and speak to all of it in context, or ignore it all and be silent. Don't just take half of it and chop it down out of context. Make up your mind.

You still have yet to say whether you drive to church, or cook, or turn lights off and on on the Sabbath. Why is that? Are you afraid of the answers?
---StrongAxe on 11/20/19


David:

Romans 6:14-15
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

These verses implies three things: 1) WE (i.e. Christians) are not under the law, and 2) yet it IS still possible to sin. 3) however, sin does not dominate us.

We Christians are not under "The Law" (i.e. The Law of Moses), but we ARE under the Law of Christ. Jesus frequently talked about those who "keep HIS commandments". We aren't exempt from that.
---StrongAxe on 11/20/19


ax: "You have literally been ignoring everything I have ever been saying on this subject for years"

And I consider that good advice for everyone here.



---jerry6593 on 11/20/19




Nicole_Lacey:

As I said, Benitez ALREADY SERVED HIS TIME IN PRISON. It's not either/or.

Clinton was only investigated for cheating on Hillary once, which ultimately led to his impeachment (which failed).

Trump boasted in private, but a recording was made of that conversation, and released later. As I said earlier, search for Trump and Access Hollywood. He makes frequent mentions moving on women who were married, and grabbing women by the *****, and how they let you do anything when you're a celebrity.

For starters, you can see some of the worst lies: look up Politifact's "All Pants on Fire! statements involving Donald Trump". There are 6 pages of outrageous lies. Each lie links to a page debunking it.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/19


Everyone who obeys Jesus' two commandments "Love God" and "Love your neighbor" ALREADY keeps the Commandments ANYWAY, so he doesn't need to be told each one in a list.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
I agree with you on Sabbath keeping, but I would like to correct you of one thing many seem to overlook. And I do so not to argue, but because its important.

Sin is the transgression of the Law. (1 John 3:4) And without the Law...there can be no sin.(Romans 5:13)

Here is a simple Yes or No question, for everyone who reads it.
If Jesus did away with the Law, as most doctrines teach, wouldnt that make it impossible to sin?
---David on 11/20/19


StrongAxe: Clinton was impeached for 1 adultery 1 lie.//

Clinton was impeached ONLY for lying.

Are you trying to get me to believe Clinton ONLY cheated on Hillary ONCE?

//boasted privately but hushed it up//

If it was PRIVATE how do you know he boasted?

Just CITE the record so I can look at all 13,000 lies myself. PRETTY PLEASE!

Go to the Lefties Snopes website and maybe you will believe them.

'Was Donald Trump Fined for Stealing Money Intended for Veterans?'

BTW, if I commit multiple felonies I will try the 'PTSD' defense

//he got deported to a country he didn't know, as he left there at 3.//

I rather go to China than prison.

ANYWHERE is better than prison!
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/19/19


jerry6593:

You have literally been ignoring everything I have ever been saying on this subject for years, so let me repeat it for you, slowly, once again.

Everyone who obeys Jesus' two commandments "Love God" and "Love your neighbor" ALREADY keeps the Commandments ANYWAY, so he doesn't need to be told each one in a list.

Great! You're going to really enjoy true Sabbath keeping.

It's amazing how, of all the commandments, you think THIS one is the most important. You're OBSESSED.

The Sabbath Commandment is the only one NOT subsumed by the Two.

You never answered my questions from before: Do you drive to church on Sunday, or cook, or turn lights on or off?
---StrongAxe on 11/19/19


Nicole_Lacey:

Clinton was impeached for 1 adultery and 1 lie. Trump cheated on all 3 wives, boasted privately but hushed it up as he knew Americans wouldn't approve, and lied 13000+ times.

Hillary stole some furniture. Trump defrauded THOUSANDS of contractors, held a charity for VETERANS but spend the money on his campaign, and Trumps a charity for KIDS WITH CANCER, but spent the money on themselves.

Like the Biblical adage, "Saul slew thousands, and David tens of thousands" - David was bigger.

Benitez served his country, and suffered PTSD that drove him to alcohol and drugs and DID go to prison. Instead of thanks and PTSD treatment, he got deported to a country he didn't know, as he left there at 3.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/19


Kathr: deflecting again. Stop excusing Trump by listing everyone else's sins.//

It's too much like Jesus' thinking isn't it?

John 8:7

//"God, why send me to hell, Billy did this and even more. I know Billy is in hell, but I'm better than Billy because I'm a republican, and my sins don't really count the same "//

No Democrats are the Pharisee in Luke 18:11-12.

Republicans act like the tax collector in V13.

Remember who Jesus said went home justified. V14

//This mentality is getting so lame.//

Yup, the Pharisee would agree with you.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/19/19


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Nicole deflecting again. Stop excusing Trump by listing everyone else's sins.

"God, why send me to hell, Billy did this and even more. I know Billy is in hell, but I'm better than Billy because I'm a republican, and my sins don't really count the same "

This mentality is getting so lame.
---kathr4453 on 11/19/19


StrongAxe, all your examples pertained to Democrats.

Bill Clinton, Congresswoman IIhan Omar and Katie Hill. Just in the last 6 months.


BOTH were having affairs (Bill NEVER stopped) and stealing from their own Campaign funds 5th and 7th Commandment (6th/8th)

Hillary stole in 2015 while in the State Department according to the FBI!
BTW, the VERY LIBERAL Washington Post broke the WH theft story.

'Hillary Can't Stop Stealing Furniture From the American People.'-- Laurens ten Cate on Tuesday, October 18th, 2016,

Marine Jose Segovia Benitez had multiple FELONIES convictions.

You and I go to Prison, but not Segovia.

He gets to go to his birth Country.

HOW IS THAT FAIR TO US AMERICANS?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/18/19


The 10 Commandments are for sinners, the Law of Christ is for saints. Trump is a sinner.....but sinners ( who claim to be saints) when shown the 10 commandments SEE they are a sinner by Gods yardstick, and if one then has a moral fiber in their body, and has not already seared their own conscience ( this may be the case with Trump) will repent and be sorry. Not Trump, he makes excuses, and you all help him make those excuses......corrupting our younger generation as they see what HYPOCRITS you all are. 2 Timothy 3 is COMMING soon to your home. You will have much explaining to do ...Nicole says REVENGE is defending yourself and is OK. YIKES! GOD SAYS AVENGE NOT YOURSELVES. ROMANS 12:19.

Who are you going to obey, God or man?
---kathr4453 on 11/19/19


ax: So you and katty have decided to start keeping all TEN Commandments, eh? (Canadian lingo)

Great! You're going to really enjoy true Sabbath keeping.



---jerry6593 on 11/19/19


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jerry6593:

Yes, WE do not NEED the Ten Commandments - because if WE love God and neighbor WE ALREADY refrain from murder, adultery, theft, perjury etc. without needing to specifically told. I NEVER said it was ALL RIGHT to do those things. Anyone who does any of those is breaking the Law of Christ.

Atheist Pen Jillette was asked "If you don't believe in God, what's to stop you from murdering and raping all you want?", and replied, "I DO murder and rape all I want - and the amount I want is zero".

If you have no desire for adultery and theft, you do not need to be told to avoid them. Unfortunately, many DO these things, so they still need to be told.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/19


Jerry, the thought is YOU ARE THE HYPOCRITE. Because You being under the Law excuse Trump breaking the law. Don't deflect here Jerry.....

Slander is not only OT but NT, and Trump Viciously violates both, YOU EXCUSE, therefore have no right to point your finger at anyone.

No one says not being UNDER THE LAW , means we can freely break the law. You still don't get it. Being UNDER the law of CHRIST is more difficult than being under the law of Moses. MORE IS EXPECTED NOT LESS.
---kathr4453 on 11/18/19


ax: "Trump not only violates most of the ten commandments, but boasts of it:"

What a hypocrite!!!

That's exactly what YOU do!!!

How many times have YOU stated that we Christians are no longer under the 10C Law, but are under grace?

You can't have it both ways.


---jerry6593 on 11/18/19


Just more deflecting, pointing away from Mr T by pointing at Clinton. Does that make Mr T's behavior ok? Why this bazaar mindset of deflecting and pointing to another sinner? Is this some 4th grade mental freeze on people. Or is the 40% who excuse Mr T's behavior people with very LOW IQ's? Or just social and moral retards? Now picture me doing the spactic arm dance pointing at you, the way Mr. T mocked others. Don't get all self righteous now....only showing how big of a hypocrite you really are.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/19


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Nicole_Lacey:

They're too vile to quote here, but Google: Donald Trump Access Hollywood Tape.

Prove Clinton stole from WH or body counts, or it's false witness. I.e. one of the Ten Commandments.

The majority of Americans identify as Christians INCLUDING Democrats.

Many immigrants who were promised citizenship in exchange for military service are instead being discharged and deported under the Trump administration. Google: deported veterans.

MOST food stamp recipients have jobs. The SINGLE LARGEST group of food stamp recipients is Walmart employees.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, Trump's health care "plan" will make 20+ million lose health care and 20+ thousand DIE as a result.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/19


StrongAxe, are confusing Trump with Clinton? Bill boasted about his affairs. Trump paid Daniels to keep quiet

//Theft://

The Clinton's stole from the WH when they left.

//False witness://

Hello? Bill was impeached for lying.

//he could kill someone and get away with it//

Joking isn't the same.

Everyone and I mean everyone knows the Clintons has 'Body counts'.

Democrats DON'T believe in God.

He NEVER deported any immigrant.

He not Obama passed the "Accountability Act"

People with jobs don't need food stamps.

Health Insurance doesn't translate to health care.

Trump STOP punishing people for NOT having health insurance.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/19


Hi Jerry, yes, when Leftists can when on facts, common sense nor reality they have no choice but to run on nonsense.

Kathr: Not everyone needed to see a miracle to believe. Even with the Apostles...not all needed to see a miracle there either to believe.---kathr4453 11/6/19

You forgotten our dispute.

The Resurrection is the BIGGEST miracle we confess, believe and proclaim as our MAIN DOCTRINE!

BTW, you need to read the last 3 chapters of the Gospels again.

All living Apostles had to believed in that RESURRECTION MIRACLE after (not before) Jesus proved He was alive after they saw Him die on the cross.

Just as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 15.

(Personally I am unsure why he said 12 Apostles in verse 5)
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/19


jerry6593:

Trump not only violates most of the ten commandments, but boasts of it:
Adultery: cheated on all wives, boasts of passes at married women
Theft: defrauded thousands of contractors, boasts it's good busness practice
False witness: lies 13+ times a day
Murder: boasts he could kill someone and get away with it
Other gods: claims he's the best in the world at everything

Jesus said forgive your enemies, welcome the stranger, feed the hungry, comfort the sick, repent your sins.

Trump is obsessed with revenge, builds walls, deports immigrant veterans, cuts food stamps, cuts health care, was never sorry for anything.

His WH pastor said "anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan".
---StrongAxe on 11/17/19


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Nicole: Good to hear from you again. I've been out awhile myself - too busy for much of the nonsense of these lefties. Can you believe how they still worship B.O. and the Hildebeast, while blasting Trump - the greatest president ever? It's inconceivable to me how they can worship at the Dem alter of Baal child murder, sexual perversion and synchronized sedition while claiming to be Christian.

As to your point about belief in the resurrection, I found it interesting that even the Jewish historian Josephus believed the resurrection account.



---jerry6593 on 11/17/19


Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
---RichardC on 11/11/19


Nicole KNOWS I believe in Jesus death and resurrection, BECAUSE after 15 years of testifying to His death and resurrection, I also testified and have for over 15 years our IDENTIFICATION WITH JESUS IN DEATH AND RESURRECTION LIFE. I've posted Romans 6, Galatians 2:20-21 1 Cor 15:1-4, Colossians 2, ans so much more here I would bet probably in these 15+ years over 2500 times. It's basically the very core of what I do post.

So, we can conclude, Nicole has NO CLUE what I post and just babbles on like some whatever, OR she loves falsely accusing others by playing stupid. Either way....it's called being "DISINGENUOUS" to the core. .....Nicoles favorite word.
---kathr4453 on 11/11/19


If you don't believe in the results of WHY Jesus died and rose again, you really don't believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ the way you are suppose to. Because to say you BELIEVE in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is to BELIEVE ALL of WHY Jesus died and rose again in the first place.

Nicole goes to a priest to confess sin, NOT boldly to the throne of Grace. Even Cluny scoffs at, we call having a PERSONAL relationship with the Lord. Taking MASS over and over is not faith in the FINISHED works of Christ, because they don't believe in the finished works of Christ.

So what good will it be for them to believe in Jesus death and resurrection life but DENY CHRIST in all He has done for us?
---kathr4453 on 11/10/19


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Nicole, how did this jump from People needing to see Jesus miracles during His ministry to Jesus dying and rising from the dead? And YOU called Jesus words USELESS WORDS that He didn't waste His time with, yet I see ONLY WORDS spoken to the woman at the well.

When you cant admit you are wrong Nicole....you change the subject or muddy the waters ????? Sounds like TRUMPISM TACTICS..


BUT that wasn't the discussion was it? During Jesus ministry on earth B4 His death and resurrection THE SUBJECT WAS ....Did everyone under the sun need to see a miracle first to believe Jesus was the promised Messiah/Christ to believe He was.....I SHOWED YOU THE ANSWER WAS NO. I stand by that answer.

Changing the subject was so lame Nicole.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/19


The BIGGEST MIRACLE of all, The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Yes I do believe but so do the demons, so what does that prove? THE RESULTS of Jesus death and resurrection, THAT'S A MIRACLE, and the purpose of THIS MIRACLE. You Nicole do not believe we are sanctified through the body of Christ ONCE AND FOR ALL, Heb 10 ,that those who believe are crucified with Christ and raised up together with Him A NEW CREATURE Romans 6 Gal 6 .... That the way into the Holy of Holies has been opened that YOU Nicole can come boldly to the throne of GRACE to the Lord Himself Heb 4...YOU Nicole do not believe that MIRACLE. Everything in your RCC doctrine scoffs at those MIRACLES that were a result of Jesus Death and resurrection.
---kath453 on 11/10/19


Kathr: All John the Baptist needed to hear was the same ( useless words) Jesus spoke here to the woman at the well.//

How dare you tell Jesus want He needed to say or NOT to say.

Again stop jumping around a admit you need to believe that Jesus ROSE on the 3rd day and Ascended to His Father.

The BIGGEST MIRACLE you and I have to BELIEVE.
'
If you don't believe in the Resurrection you are putting Jesus at the same level as Muhammed, Buddha and other leaders of different faith.

Christianity is the only Faith that believes Jesus died and rose again on the 3 day as He said would happen.

Just acknowledge that and move on.

You are misleading many people who are considering to become a Christian.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/9/19


Nicole made some outrageous claim the Jesus doesn't waste his time with useless words. Yet that's exactly what he did here in John 4:25-26. All John the Baptist needed to hear was the same ( useless words) Jesus spoke here to the woman at the well. Jesus said MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE. Hardly could say anything Jesus said was worthless. That's a horrible comment...YIKES. Nicole needs to stop speaking for God...

John 4: 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/19


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If course they do Cluny. But to insist it was only physical is wrong.

Also remember those who came to Jesus for healing were told...your faith has healed you. So it also shows many believed Jesus was the Christ and put their faith in some one they first believed was the Messiah, and not give versa.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/19


Is there no way the verses that kath and Nicole disagree about cannot have BOTH physical and spiritual significance?

After all, can anyone here deny that the Savior healed blind, deaf, lame, lepers, and other ailments?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/8/19


nicole, we'll just have to agree to disagree. I see those verses in Isaiah as spiritual. Their eyes will be spiritually be opened, ears spiritually will hear..as Jesus said MY WORDS are Spirit and Life. AND Just as Jesus said, hearing they don't hear and seeing they don't see, wasn't referring to literally hearing and seeing.

Not "EVERYONE" needed to see a Miracle to believe. And no verse says EVERYONE needed to see a miracle to believe.


---kathr4453 on 11/7/19


Kathr, Jesus is God and can read minds. He knew John the Scriptures.

John read the scroll of Isaiah.

I didn't add to Scriptures. I listened to my Priest explaining the Scriptures.

Isaiah spoke about the Messiah and how one will know Him when He arrives. So John asked if Jesus was the One. Jesus answered him.

Isaiah 29:18 In that day the deaf will hear the words of the scroll, and out of gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see.

Isaiah 35:5-6 Then will the eyes of the blind be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped...and the mute tongue shout for joy.

If you asked me if it is raining outside and I said "look at my wet clothes"

That answered your question better than words.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/7/19


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Nicole then admit you were wrong. Tell me, where in that verse does John the Baptist say...."Tell Jesus to do a miracle so I will know it is He. If He doesn't then I will look for another" NEVER HAPPENED!

Please stop adding or reading more into scripture than is there Nicole.

John never asked to see miracles. He simply asked if Jesus was the one.

You don't have to like my answer Nicole, but to keep insisting you are right is a waste if time. Not everyone needed to see a miracle to believe. Even with the Apostles...not all needed to see a miracle there either to believe.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/19


Kathr: John needing reaffirmation ....only needed a yes....not the miracles.//

Jesus doesn't waste His time with useless words.

I guess I needed to display Luke 7:23 as well.

Luke 7:23 "Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me.

Kathr, it's okay to say 'I was wrong.' It gets easier and easier.

I have said many times I was wrong when someone proves I was wrong.

The Bible is clear. Jesus used miracles to ease John the Baptist's mind that He was the Messiah.

BTW, that's why 2 of his Disciples left him to follow Jesus.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/6/19


Any denomination can make rules for themselves. Doctrines are made up by many denominations. So they can speak for what they believe is true.

But only GOD can judge the heart.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/5/19


Nicole it doesn't matter when the Gospels were written, they are recorded truth.

So as I showed the woman at the well HEARD there was a promise if the Christ / Messiah who should come, and Jesus saying He was the one (SIC) and no miracle was preformed first.

Also as I stated in the beginning of Matthew and Luke we see many believed while Jesus was only an infant.

So you believe what you will Nicole, and I'll believe ALL of scripture.

When John Baptized Jesus, before Jesus did any miracles John said...BEHOLD THE LAMB OF GOD WHICH TAKETH AWAY THE SIN IF THE WORLD. Only the promised Messiah was prophecied to take away sin.

John needing reaffirmation ....only needed a yes....not the miracles.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/19


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Kathr: Nicole, here are some that knew Jesus was the Messiah before going into his ministry

Mary
Joseph
King Herod.....wanted him dead
The Three Wise Men
John the Baptist
ELizabeth , Jechariah JTB Father.//

That's was in the Gospel years after Jesus' death.

Even John the Baptist didn't know Jesus was the Messiah. Luke 7:18-19

How did Jesus PROVE He was the Messiah?

BY MIRACLES

Luke 7:22
Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[a] are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/4/19


Has anyone but I noticed that kath (by all screen names) tends to project her own faults onto others?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/4/19


Has anyone noticed when others ask questions here he doesn't like or dislikes the asker/poster or also post scripture Cluny always gets snarky and insulting? It's a form of arrogance.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/19


Has anyone but I noticed that when I give a direct quote from the Bible, kath (by all of her screen names) accuses me of making things up?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/3/19


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Who poked the bear?

Cluny, I'm still waiting for those 5 names.

Yes Monk, you do have better things to do then jump in someone else's business. But you made that choice didn't you? So why whine and say you have better things to do? Who asked you to jump in and then whine about it? Talk about another man-child tactic. Is this all part of your training, or is being a Monk just BOORING? So BOORING in fact you don't even read the question? I proved my point and showed Cluny the error of his MISSPEAKING ..

Now you have egg on your face and your sackcloth Monk you need to go wash it off.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/19


Kathr said, "Judge not lest YE be judged Cluny....man child."

Kathr, does it delight you to think up insults for Cluny...or me?

You should get it into your head that I have more important things to do that to think up clever things to say to you.

But I would advise you to stop trying to use GOD's word when you attempt to prove your point, as such things will only backfire on you in the end.
---Monk_Brendan on 11/3/19


since the Magi were gentiles, it's unlikely they even knew the concept of the Messiah.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/19

Like I showed, this is only Cluny's OPINION.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/19


\\So to say the Magi would not have heard is ONLY CLUNY's OPINION...\\

That is not what I said.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/28/19


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The Samaratian woman, Augustine said belonged to the Gentile world, ( Samaratians were actually half Jew and half gentile, who did not belong to Israel or the Law of Moses, but were a religion of their own) who HEARD That Messias commeth which is called Christ, without any miracles preformed.

Jews were a LIGHT to the Nations, as God promised Abraham, who was not a JEW, there would be the promise of the Messiah/Christ. So to say the Magi would not have heard is ONLY CLUNY's OPINION....and not the belief of Bible scholars in general.

John 4: 25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
---kathr4453 on 10/28/19


\\Exactly how many dead have the Orthodox raised ....say...just in the past 5 years.\\

More than your denomination, I dare say.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/25/19

cluny, you have a problem lying and then denying it....just like Trump. Is this some disease afflicting folks?

I told you my denomination has over 3,000,000 members. Ok so now list the minimum of only 5 I asked for....otherwise you have serious issues.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/19


]]You have a serious problem of projecting Cluny, even making up outlandish lies about the Orthodox raising over 3,000,000 from the dead. ]]

I never said that, therefore you are the liar.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/19


Cluny not only makes up outlandish lies, but by his questions shows he does not know scripture and wants you to do all the work for him so that he can then insist you don't know what verses mean because some Greek word he insists means something else, so he can deflect.

There are many issues I do not believe, that RCC and Orthodox believe, and that alone gets into Cluny's man child persona when being contrary.

He never proves his beliefs by posting scripture, like Marys bodily resurrection and assumption, claiming no such scripture is necessary. WRONG! And because I confront these beliefs we see how Cluny the man-child reacts.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/19


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No Cluny, you not only did not give Scripture reference as MONK DEMANDS, but misquoted a word not said. Just as you THOUGHT you had accused me of, where I proved you wrong with your false accusation showing your own ignorance to scripture.

But hay....what's good for the goose is good for the gander...RIGHT CLUNY.

So it appears you are saying YOU don't know scripture like you want others to think you do. You have a serious problem of projecting Cluny, even making up outlandish lies about the Orthodox raising over 3,000,000 from the dead.

Judge not lest YE be judged Cluny....man child.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/19


Cluny speculating again showing he doesn't know or understand scripture.

David Jesus also did many miracles where many did not believe. And was the Earthquake something Jesus did, or God the Father.

I don't doubt Jesus miracles or even why...I just stated many believed Jesus was the Messiah and promised KING according to Matthew 1-3 and Luke 1-2....while he was still an infant.

Now take the Mormons....who say Jesus was a "man" in the Garden of Eden, ....would not follow scripture would it? AND when Paul preached Christ...the Bereans checked the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true.

The Eunuch or Cornelius etc did not need to see miracles even after Jesus resurrection to believe.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/19


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Looks like Cluny is making up scripture again.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/19\\

kathr, you don't know the Bible as well as you think you do.

This is not the first time you have demonstrated your lack of knowledge on these blogs.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/26/19


kathr, where is the Biblical evidence that any of the people you mentioned knew that Jesus was the messiah?

BCV, please.

While we're on the subject, since the Magi were gentiles, it's unlikely they even knew the concept of the Messiah.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/27/19


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(Matthew 27:54) Now when the centurion, and those who were with him watching Jesus, saw the earthquake and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly, this was the Son of God!

Kathrine
What caused these unbelievers, to believe, Jesus was the Son of God?
Sure, those who followed John the Baptist may have believed without miracles, but that was because they were followers of John.

What was the prophecy, which left no doubt, Jesus was the Son of God?
The sign of Jonah.
Was that not a miracle?
And if this miracle was not needed to prove Jesus was The Son of God, why was there need of the prophecy?
---David on 10/27/19


Nicole, here are some that knew Jesus was the Messiah before going into his ministry

Mary
Joseph
King Herod.....wanted him dead
The Three Wise Men
John the Baptist
ELizabeth , Jechariah JTB Father

Just to mane a few....

ALL Those who looked for the promise of the Messsiah and KNEW He proved those OT Prophecies were right on, did not need any miracles to prove.

Interestingly enough we also have prophecies concerning Jesus second coming. I won't need to see a miracle to KNOW who He is.

HOWEVER those who don't KNOW scripture and rely solely on miracles will be taken to the cleaners by LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS will be carried away by these so called miracles of an imposter.
---kathr4453 on 10/26/19


All one has to do is read Matthew Chapters 1-3 and Luke 1-2 to know many believed Jesus was the messiah and lists all those prophecies that the OT stated would show Jesus as the Messiah while he was still a baby.

Today we have the Word of God to either believe or reject...and no one needs a miracle to believe. Many today believe ..based on scripture account and OT prophecy Jesus is the Messiah alone. THE WORD OF GOD ( ALONE) IS LIVING AND POWERFUL.

There were miracles preformed Jesus didn't do Himself as a baby...like Angels appearing before many re the shepherds, and telling of the Messiah.
---kat453 on 10/26/19


//Etc etc. and many many in Israel did believe Jesus was the Son of God before He did any miracles.---kathr4453 on 10/25/19//

Please name them?

Specifically Jesus as the Messiah.

Even John had to ask AFTER the miracles Luke 7:18-23

Even His Disciples needed a miracle to believe in Him

John 2:11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which He revealed His glory, and His disciples believed in Him.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/25/19


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kathr4453:

Cluny wrote: Seems to me that Someone greater than anyone who posts to these blogs said, "If you were blind, you would have no fault. But because you say, 'I see,' your sin remains."

You wrote: Looks like Cluny is making up scripture again.

John 9:41
Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see, therefore your sin remaineth.
---StrongAxe on 10/26/19


Here's the thing....Faith aka belief in what God has already said actually need no miracles. Everything about Jesus was prophecied in the OT

Born of a virgin
Where
Of the tribe of David

Etc etc. and many many in Israel did believe Jesus was the Son of God before He did any miracles.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/19


Does the church have the authority to make binding statements about what is true or false doctrine?

Not without the Power and Authority of God, as they had in the early Church. Because of this power, (Making the blind see, bringing the dead back to life, the anointment of the Holy Spirit) they had proof that God was with them.

For instance, if Jesus had claimed he was the Son of God, but came without miracles, who would have believed he was the one, who he claimed to be? Why should I believe Jesus, when I saw not one of his miracles?

I believe, but it is not because of what the Bible says and it is not because of what men say. I believe, because of the miracle he did in me.
---David on 10/25/19


Looks like Cluny is making up scripture again.
---kathr4453 on 10/25/19


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Seems to me that Someone greater than anyone who posts to these blogs said, "If you were blind, you would have no fault. But because you say, 'I see,' your sin remains."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/23/19


Ok so now Cluny wants to bind you to letters and books etc not part of scripture....or what....not sure what this negative person is up in arms again now.

I don't need some third degree from you Cluny to know the ONLY ONE IM BOUND TO IS THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

I already answered the question and further gave an explanation. If you don't like it...then lump it.

But if you so choose to be bound, then be bound....however I've been set at LIBERTY....something you still don't grasp.
---kathr4453 on 10/22/19


kath, do you consider yourself bound to the 27 books of the NT?

If so why?

And why just those particular ones. The Epistle of St. Barnabas is still extant, and St. Paul mentions his letter to the Laodiceans, that it should be shared, yet this one is apparently lost.

Why are THESE not in the NT?

Can you tell us?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/19


So no Cluny, I'm not bound by any RCC or Orthodox doctrine.

But to say I'm not bound by scripture is total ignorance on your part...making personal assaults just for the sake of doing so is so senile and childish....and folks can see for themselves where this childish behavior is coming from. Discussing churches and doctrine is one thing....discussing persons you know nothing of is quite another. You always have to lower the bar...like TRUMPISM....the new way. So satanic if you ask me.

Grow up Cluny...
---kathr4453 on 10/21/19


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Why snarky personal assaults...

That's the problem Cluny...this particular CATHOLIC CHURCH Priest personally went above and beyond what the Pope said, and told this woman's daughter her mother was in hell. So this particular church priest made a binding doctrine on his own.....so pointing fingers only point back to your churches.

As is an issue with many many denominations...one saying YOU MUST BE WATER BAPTIZED O BE SAVED, or..if you don't speak in tongues your not saved.

Be a good Berean folks...
---kathr4453 on 10/21/19


Abstinence from meat on Friday (or most Wednesdays and Fridays) is not a doctrine, but a discipline.

However, I don't expect you to really understand the difference.

//if it's not in scripture YOU are not bound by it.//

In my observation, you, kath, don't even consider yourself bound by Scripture.

Can anyone give me BCV where the Bible says that any person can decide for him/herself what the Bible teaches?

For that matter, is not the very NT something that the historic Church established. After all, nowhere does the Bible text itself say what should be in it.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/20/19


How one defines CHURCH does matter when it comes to answering this question.

Let's take eating meat on Friday. I have a friend who was told by her local earthly Church that her mother is in hell because she ate meat on Friday. YET THE TRUE CHURCH, Where Christ is the head where all authority comes directly from Him, has made no such statement, or doctrine.

Be a good Berean folks......if it's not in scripture YOU are not bound by it.

Many Protestant churches have no such BINDING doctrines as the RCC or ORTHODOX....but believe in the INDIVIDUAL Priesthood of the believer...something the RCC and Orthodox do not believe.
---kathr4453 on 10/20/19


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