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What are your thoughts about denominational churches as sanctuary churches to illegal immigrants? Should they be accused of harboring criminals? What about the Immigration and Nationality Act which prohibits anyone from knowingly harboring an undocumented immigrant. (those convicted risk prison time)

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Matthew 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

Nicole's comment on 11/8 re the resurrection. TODAY no one has personally witnessed the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ, YET BELIEVE through the scriptures alone...JESUS WORDS.

Did you believe because you first saw a miracle?


Were you, like the Calvinists miraculously saved first so that you could believe, OR were you saved as a result of first believing and then being saved? Romans 10:9-10, Ephesians 1:13 and as a result of your belief in Jesus death and resurrection life, do you BELIEVE all the Miracles that accompany salvation? OR are you still trying to save and sanctify and glorify yourselves through your own works?
---kathr4453 on 11/10/19


Whatever Nicole.....

She also said she knew the Messiah/ Christ was coming......which means she HEARD THE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE MESSIAH/CHRIST, where Jesus said I am HE.

MY goodess Nicole, did you forget what the conversation was about ?

Whatever.....but as I showed Many had FAITH aka BELIEF before Jesus did any miracles and didn't need to see a miracle First to believe.

The woman it appears believed the Prophecy that Jesus was speaking ...and she understood it to be about the MESSIAH/CHRIST , where Jesus then revealed it was about HIM. I don't expect you to understand. Those who are contrary to begin with don't want to understand ...they only want to argue.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/19


Whatever Nicole.....

She also said she knew the Messiah/ Christ was coming......which means she HEARD THE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE MESSIAH/CHRIST, where Jesus said I am HE.

MY goodess Nicole, did you forget what the conversation was about ?

Whatever.....but as I showed Many had FAITH aka BELIEF before Jesus did any miracles and didn't need to see a miracle First to believe.

The woman it appears believed the Prophecy that Jesus was speaking ...and she understood it to be about the MESSIAH/CHRIST , where Jesus then revealed it was about HIM. I don't expect you to understand. Those who are contrary to begin with don't want to understand ...they only want to argue.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/19


Kathr: The woman at the well said nothing about a prophet, but THE CHRIST. AKA THE MESSIAH.//

The woman SAID Jesus was a Prophet.

John 4:19
Sir, the woman said, I can see that YOU ARE A PROPHET.

Plus, she still DOESN'T think Jesus is the Messiah.

John 4:25
The woman said, I know that Messiah (called Christ) is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.

So, Jesus tells her directly that HE IS THE MESSIAH!

John 4:26
Then Jesus declared, I, the one speaking to you I AM HE.

But even AFTER Jesus tells her she still ISN'T fully convinced Jesus is the Messiah.

John 4:29
Come, see a MAN who told me everything I ever did. COULD this be the Messiah?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/9/19


Strongaxe, what you are saying is a matter of personal conscience. You have to do what your conscience tells you to do, but you should not force or shame others who's conscience may be something different. (Like Vietnam Nam Conscience Objectors moving to Canada.) That way, if you personally choose to lose citizenship for you know ahead of time that would be the consequence that is your free will choice to do so.

I never said anything about turning anyone over to ICE. That is another issue. Hiding someone is another. If I should meet someone who is illegal, I would look into being a sponsor.

You know, some out of conscience would not steal food in time of crisis, and anothers conscience would justify stealing food.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/19




kathr4453:

Nobody here was talking about that either. What I said was when Christians receive conflicting imperatives from the state and from God, which should they obey?

If God commands you to take care of strangers, but the state tells you to turn them into the government, what do you do? Turning illegals over to ICE is the exact same moral quandry as German citizens turning Jews over to the Nazi Government. The only difference is how badly they're treated when they get turned over.

We don't have the right to demand that our country or other people obey the laws of God (despite what some Dominionists want). However, we DO have the choice to obey country or to obey God when their rules oppose each other.
---StrongAxe on 11/9/19


No one here is asking everyone to burn incense to the President, or worship the President ....so again apples to oranges.

Right and Legal ..again apples to oranges. It's legal to divorce and remarry, but according to God it's not right. Abortions are legal, but are not right. The list can go on and on with that. We are not a THEOCRACY where the Church and Scripture rule the day. We live in a secular society, where we obey the rules and laws of that society. If you wanted to live in N Korea, and illegally tired to enter that country ...you may get the death penalty. Their law.

John the Baptist was jailed and killed and no where did Jesus demand the Government release him based on Christian "right " ideals.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/19


John 4: 29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?"..."............I see no doubt here. "Is this not the Christ" is actually saying this is the Christ. She is known as the first evangelist, and a woman evangelist too.

Jesus already told her in a few verses before "I am he", when she said , we know that MESSIAH is coming who is CHRIST.

REMEMBER faith is faith in God, not just faith in faith or Bob down the street. And Jesus / God REWARDED many because of their faith. So as I said, not everyone needed to see a miracle TO BELIEVE, because many already believed and because of their belief received a miracle.

And many saw miracles and then believed.
---kath445 on 11/9/19


You need to realize that the liberals and MSM take text, speeches and videos out of context.
---Steveng on 10/28/19

Trump was just fined $2 million for taking money he supposedly raised for veterans. Was this fake news too? Trump is a con man, a crook and a liar.. And YOU support him.
---NurseRobert on 11/9/19


kathr4453:

"legal" and "right" are ideally the same, but sadly, frequently not. Hitler was voted in. Much of what he and thugs did was legal, because they passed laws to make them legal. Destroying and seizing Jewish property and "resettling" Jews was legal.

U.S. Japanese internment was legal. CITIZENS were rounded up, put into concentration camps, and their property seized, just not murdered like in Germany. It was challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, who said it was OK. Under McCarthy, persecution of people suspected of communism, without a trial, was legal.

Rome forcing people to burn incense to Caesar was legal. The Beast forcing his Mark on everyone will be legal.
---StrongAxe on 11/8/19




Ok Nicole, let's try this another way....
In the following verses we see FAITH came first before any miracles, and not vice versa. Faith means they already believed. They didn't need the miracle first to believe.

Matthew 9:29 Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

Matthew 15:28 Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

The Gospels are steeped with these verses showing many already had faith..BELIEF before miracles.
---kat453 on 11/8/19


Nicole, also no one said anything about only believing Jesus was a prophet and not the Messiah. You come out and say the craziest things for no good reason. No scripture promised a prophet would be born of a virgin. The woman at the well said nothing about a prophet, but THE CHRIST. AKA THE MESSIAH. Many ALREADY HAD faith in Israel. Many had faith WAITING FOR THE MESSIAH, who would be born of a virgin. Herod tried to have Him killed while still an infant. WHY? Not because he thought he was a prophet. Because Herod knew the scriptures and knew his throne was in danger of the REAL KING.
---kath445 on 11/8/19


Kathr, you are wrong. John 4:18-19, Only makes her believe Jesus a Prophet not the Messiah. Even after Jesus tells her out right she still has doubt needing the town's confirmation V25-39 Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. COULD this be the Messiah?. Regardless. The miracle was the catalysis.

Even His Disciples didn't believe Him until He changed the water into wine. John 2:11

Please note the V11 where it states the 1st SIGNS through which He REVEALED His Glory.

In other words Jesus used signs/miracles to prove He is God.

As for the Resurrection, please read 1 Cor 1:14. And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is USELESS and SO is your faith.

The Resurrection Miracle makes us Christians.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/8/19


Strongaxe, IF our government went renegade themselves breaking the law as Hitler and his thugs by murdering , stealing from , rounding up their own citizens and taking them to CC, ...if we did that to any of our own citizens because some wing nut hate monger got in control and decided everyone with green eyes was an alian from another planet and must be killed, I would hide citizens, (HITLER BROKE THE LAWS of GERMANY,) JEWS WERE CITIZENS. So you can't use thus as an excuse here. We are doing no such thing to our citizens.

But we should speak out about the Horrible treatment of those coming here, separating children from parents etc....THAT IS BREAKING THE LAW. But the remedy for that is not sneaking them in and hiding them either.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/19


\\ You are trying to use God's Word to justify your own personal beliefs.\\

You never do this, do you, kath?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/8/19


Nicole WRONG THREAD BUT... Jesus birth was also a miracle...did you forget. And Nicole, only those who are SPIRITUAL to begin with hear and believe prophecy.

Many today unregenerate can read prophecy, and even read about the resurrection and laugh.

But the Prophecy promising the Messiah would be born of a virgin ..and seeing those close to Mary believed Mary and Joseph believing Gabriel didn't need to see a miracle. The woman at the well heard the prophecy believed without any miracle or even before Jesus resurrection. Stop making up nonsense and running all over the map. Even if only ONE person believed without seeing a miracle first, shows you are wrong.

You and Strongaxe love to argue just to argue.
---kathr4453 on 11/8/19


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Strongaxe, you are comparing Apple's to oranges. You are trying to use God's Word to justify your own personal beliefs. Not breaking the law in no way says I'm worshipping a false god.

You can argue all you want, but I don't agree with you here on this subject.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/19


Kathr: I see those verses in Isaiah as spiritual.//

???

How or when do you decide something written in the OT are spiritual rather than prophetic?

I am not trying to be smart. I am curious.

Such when the Isaiah said Mary will give birth as a virgin? Isaiah 7:14

Same Prophet speaking about Jesus and His Miracles

//Not "EVERYONE" needed to see a Miracle to believe.//

Not according to Jesus.

John 10:38

And no verse says EVERYONE needed to see a miracle to believe.//

WHAT?!

The Resurrection is the BIGGEST miracle in history that must be believed that Jesus is Lord.

If you don't believe in the MIRACLE of the Resurrection what's the point?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/7/19


How about "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but RENDER UNTO GOD WHAT IS GOD's"? When Caesar's law conflicts with God's law, Christians are obliged to obey God's law.////

That's not what that verse says or means. And Jesus never ADDED to the verse saying....unless what Caesar asked conflicts then don't render to Caesar. YOU added that Strongaxe. Not even Paul makes such a statement on this same issue .
---kathr4453 on 11/8/19


kathr4453:

How about "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but RENDER UNTO GOD WHAT IS GOD's"? When Caesar's law conflicts with God's law, Christians are obliged to obey God's law.

In Rome, all Romans were required to burn incense to honor Caesar, because Caesar had declared himself to be a god. Early Christians saw this as idolatry, and refused to do so - and as a result, were thrown into the arena to be devoured by lions. They were willing to die, rather than to compomise their faith. Sadly, most Christians today have less conviction.

Germans lied and hid Jews - should they have told the truth instead and gotten them killed?
---StrongAxe on 11/7/19


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Strongaxe, you have decided what you believe the Law of Christ is....usurping authority over the government ....yet I see no scripture that makes such a bold statement, but the opposite. Anyone can claim...Oh I'm fulfilling the Law of Christ on any given issue, like stealing food for them, or faking insurance cards...all in the name of love...which by the way is also breaking the law. Where do you draw the line?

No matter what you say, as I OBEY THE LAW OF CHRIST, the Lord has never led me to break the law, but to be in submission to the Gov authorities over me. There are no exceptions.

In times of war, or death camps....I would depending on the circumstances.

Well just have to agree to disagree.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/19


Here is a Biblical way...ASKING PERMISSION to live in another Country due to hard times etc.
The classic example is when Jacobs family went to Egypt to escape a famine in Canaan. They asked Pharaoh for permission: ....And they said to Pharaoh, Your servants are shepherds, as our fathers were We have come to sojourn in the land, for there is no pasture for your servants flocks, for the famine is severe in the land of Canaan. And now, please let your servants dwell in the land of Goshen. Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, Your father and your brothers have come to you. The land of Egypt is before you. Settle your father and your brothers in the best of the land. Let them settle in the land of Goshen (Genesis 47:3-6).
---kat453 on 11/7/19


kathr4453:

It's not "breaking the law being on the agenda". It's not allowing the Law of Caesar to interfere with the Law of Christ.

Many churches subordinated the Law of God to the Law of the State to be "politically correct" (in the strictest sense), and such churches are invariably viewed with contempt through the lens of history, e.g. "official" churches in the Soviet Union and China, and churches in Germany that went along with the Nazi agenda.

As for "presuming upon others to pay the cost", sanctuary churches pay the cost, not others.

Many "Christians" spend oodles of money to send missionaries to people in other countries, but balk when those people come here.
---StrongAxe on 11/7/19


kathr4453:

You seem much more concerned about whether American Christians are obeying U.S. law than whether they are obeying the Law of Christ.
---StrongAxe on 11/7/19


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I think what is more dangerous is to take scripture out of context to use as an excuse to break the law.
---kathr4453


Kathrine
I can see both sides of these Laws. If we dont keep these Laws, it is very damaging culturally and economically. But if we do keep these Laws, how can we say, I Love My Neighbor? I can understand why people are conflicted.

Right now we are like a sinking man, who knowingly goes out in a boat full of holes. If he plugged the holes, first, he could then keep the water from getting into the Boat to begin with.

Building the wall might be a way to plug the holes, but since it had become a political issue, I figure we will all, just sit in the boat, and watch it sink.
---David on 11/7/19


There are millions of people and scores of Ministries who feed the poor,and cloth the poor, etc. and give shelter to the poor...and we even have international ministries as well.

So why is breaking the law in your agenda? Like I said Strongaxe, YOU PERSONALLY sponsor or adopt a family and legally sign papers you will be responsible for a family from cradle to grave ..educate, pay rent, healthcare etc, then do that. But breaking laws you presume upon others to pay the cost is wrong.

I realize there are some with extenuating circumstances, that are an exception to the rule, but you are deciding for others ...raising everyone's taxes and healthcare costs you have no right to make. On this one I will have to disagree.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/19


Also Strongaxe, since you are so concerned with this verse, please join some international ministry or missionary group to help these folks. There is no law that says, unless you help them who have broken the law and are hiding on your land, it doesn't count. Go to Mexico and help Strongaxe. Go to the border and volunteer too. No one is being murdered here that we need to hide folks. If that were the case, I'd help hide. But that's not the case. We're also not in some WWIII either.

We also need to get involved and demand immigration laws be refined and defined, and not have this crazy system.

Does Canada have laws too? How are they handling having their borders compromised?
---kat453 on 11/6/19


kathr4453:

Scripture tells us how to treat people, not citizens. It doesn't make charity contingent on showing identity papers. Xenia, the Greek custom of hospitality, is about how one treats strangers. OT says there is one law for Israel and strangers, and strangers must be treated like sons. Jesus was sent to Israel, but we should be grateful because despite being strangers, we are grafted onto the vine of Christ.

Matthew 25 doesn't say, "I was hungry, and you checked my papers. I was naked, and you made me sleep on a concrete floor. I was sick, and you denied me medical care so I would spread my sickness to others" - all of which the current administration is doing to illegals.
---StrongAxe on 11/6/19


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I don't think you can compare what happened during WWII and Hitler to illegal immigrants here. Jews were legal cirizens in their home countries. I had no idea America was trying to exterminate any particular group of people here and around the world.

I think what is more dangerous is to take scripture out of context to use as an excuse to break the law.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/19


Kathr: her LIBERAL LEFT WING CATHOLIC CHURCH , she worships and idolizes beyond measure are also guilty,//

Matthew 7:1 Just because you think we do doesn't make it true.

I can think you get drunk every night. Doesn't it mean you do? Wishful thinking isn't reality.

//therefore should not be throwing stones at others who do the same. It's called hypocricy.//

Hello???

It was me who proved you were being a hypocrite.

Not only with a Protestant Church, but with Democrats Cities and States.

BTW, no one and I mean no one thinks the Catholic Church is a Leftist Church.

Try again.

StrongAxe, I will answer you next.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/6/19


David:

Exactly! Jesus said "Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's, but unto God what is God's", which means that we must normally obey man-made laws, but when those laws and the laws of God come into conflict, we must obey God's laws first.

Note that this does not exempt us from the consequences of man-made laws. Early Christians in Rome were required to burn incense to worship Caesar, and they refused to do so, so many willingly went to the arenas to be eaten by lions. Many Europeans died for sheltering Jews.

What is NOT acceptable is self-entitled Christians saying "That law conflicts with my religious beliefs, so I am legally exempt from following it."
---StrongAxe on 11/5/19


What are your thoughts about denominational churches as sanctuary churches to illegal immigrants?

In Nazi Germany it was against the Law to harbor Jews. Many Christians broke this Law. Were they right or wrong in the eyes of God?

(James 2: 15) If a brother or sister be naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled, without giving them those things which are needful to the body, what doth it profit?
---David on 11/5/19


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Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Forget about Churches, WHY are Democrats held States and Cities are giving sanctuary to Illegals?

Perhaps because Democrats (Jimmy Carter being an extremely good example) actually care more about Jesus' command to "love your neighbor as yourself" than Republicans, who claim to follow Christ, yet constantly show they don't by their policies (e.g. "I was hungry and you cut my food stamps. I was sick and you took away my health care. I was a stranger and you demanded to see my papers.")
---StrongAxe on 11/5/19


People are giving sanctuary to disposed people who are being hunted down for no good reason. To me much of this new found attacks on non white people is because many do not want non white people coming into the U. S.

More women and children have died trying to get into the U. S.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/5/19


My point to Nicole is, that even her LIBERAL LEFT WING CATHOLIC CHURCH , she worships and idolizes beyond measure are also guilty, therefore should not be throwing stones at others who do the same. It's called hypocricy. I'll do whatever it takes to get through to Nicole. Continually bashing Democrats as a whole is moronic. And never addressing the evil of the Rep party is telling as well.

What it shows Nicole is you are not an impartial judge of right and wrong and never will be, so all your posts are nothing but nonsense.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/19


Strongaxe, my point was that I ALSO responded to a statement like you.

Kathr, only fusses certain people and not others.

Kathr: So again, WHY are the Catholic Churches giving sanctuary to illegal Catholics?//

Strongaxe, she is doing it again. Picking on those she doesn't care. As if Protestants are not giving sanctuary to Illegals.

'The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America just became the countrys first sanctuary church body' - CNN Wire

Kathr, Lutheran are NOT Catholics

Forget about Churches, WHY are Democrats held States and Cities are giving sanctuary to Illegals?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/4/19


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So again, WHY are the Catholic Churches giving sanctuary to illegal Catholics? I think if Mosques were giving sanctuary to illegal Muslims everyone would be up in arms.

So any religious organization giving sanctuary to illegals should be arrested. What if the Russian Orthodox gave sanctuary to illegal Russians and so on?

It will be out of this kind of defiance that American Churches just may loose it's privledges where all will suffer because of a few.
---kathr4453 on 11/4/19


Nicole_Lacey:

My 10C comment was to Steveng, a response to HIS attack on liberals and MSM and defending Trump. HE changed the topic on HIS OWN BLOG. As I said, I don't change the topic, but I DO respond to comments made by others who do.

Steveng:

138/139?!
Better+cheaper health care for all. But his plan will lose 23 million coverage, and 20000 more will die.
Not touch Medicare and Social Security. Now all are threatened.
Bring jobs home. His tariffs destroy local jobs and force many corporations to go overseas.
Drain the swamp, yet his "best people" keep getting quitting, get fired, or get arrested for corruption.

That's four failed ones right there.
---StrongAxe on 11/4/19


Kathr: Why is Nicole off topic here? This is about illegal immigration..---kathr4453 11/2/19

Ask your Buddy first!

Trump breaks most of 10C and BOASTS on it (see kat543's message).---StrongAxe 10/29/19

Cluny google it. AOC and Squad also hate rich Democrats.

StrongAxe, 1 = 1st Commandment, 2 = 2nd Commandment in my last post.

Democrats beliefs of the ENDS justifies the MEANS comes from satan.

God disapproves this method!

Obedience to God Justifies the MEANS.

Breaking the 4th C to bring down pregnancy is a mortal sin.

Rare is stupid! Killing a few babies justifies killing a lot of babies?

What? We are Canaanites that believe we have to sacrifice our babies to keep baal happy?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/3/19


Strongaxe, Ok so now that we won't hear any more lectures from you after this has been pointed out, and you don't seem to mind now that subjects are changed, not calling out anyone else.....I don't want you to call me out ever again on this issue.

I just wanted to bring to your attention that even you overlook this when you like debating the issues where the subject has been changed...

But object only when you don't like the subject matter ...

I showed you this before,
You seemed to say you didn't know what I was talking about. Ok now you do.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/19


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StrongAxe
If I was to base my choice on personality, I too would have voted for Clinton or Obama. Both seem to be men I could get to like. JW also seems to be a good fella.

Trump, no way, not by the way he portrays himself on social networking...,very immature. But then again, maybe its because politics have exposed the immaturity of many of those in politics, and it is the only way to fight back.

Both sides, make fun of the way a president looks, they attack the children, the wives and their families. I see childish immaturity, dont you?
Maybe he is fighting fire with fire?
---David on 11/3/19


kathr4453:

I don't change the subject, but if someone else does so, I will respond to the comments they make on the new subject. This seems to happen on here a lot. It does seem a bit unusual though, when one person changes the subjects of several totally unrelated blogs all to the same side topic - a bit like some other people seem to switch almost every blog onto keeping the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 11/2/19


David:

If you want to get an unbiased picture about someone, watch what they do, and listen to what they say. That can't be whitewashed or spun. Listen to speeches by all the presidents since they started being broadcast, or written transcripts of earlier ones.

I have lived through 11 presidents, and listened to their speeches, and most seemed presidential, except maybe Nixon's "I am not a crook", and G. W. Bush sometimes seemed confused. Trump is unlike all the others. He constantly praises himself, attacks everyone who disagrees with them, threatens witnesses, and often his speeches are total word salad with not a single coherent sentence in them. He sounds like a used car salesman, and not a statesman.
---StrongAxe on 11/2/19


Strongaxe, if you are going to police the threads that no one get off topic, you need to show you are not only not discriminating against those you personally want to call out, and start addressing everyone including yourself on these rules. Otherwise one could see as a personal attack.

Not every blog has to turn into bashing the Dems ....which ...like I said a few weeks ago happens often including You being right in the middle .

If you have no problem changing the subject, then stop stalking me with your posts on this issue you seemed to say was wrong...or is it only wrong when the subject bothers you?
---kathr4453 on 11/2/19


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Nicole_Lacey:

4. Democrats teach kids they can have abortions or BCP without parent's consent.

Colorado gave IUDs to students without parents' permission. Teen pregnancy went down 48%, and teen abortion went down 64%. I would think you would APPLAUD this, as it eliminated almost TWO THIRDS of teen abortions.

The only reason to object is if ones aim isn't to save lives, but to enforce puritanical "virgin until marriage" morality, but if that's the case, one should at least be honest about it.

5. Democrats abortion idol.

What does that mean? Pro-choice people want abortions to be safe, legal, **AND RARE**. I thought RARE would please you too, as "nonexistent" is unrealistic.
---StrongAxe on 11/2/19


Folks
No matter what source of News you listen to, the accounts will be based upon a bias. So you are only going hear what they want you to hear.
As we were all taught, Consider the source.

If they like someone, or something, you will hear the positive accounts of a story. If they dont like someone, or something, you Only hear the negative accounts.

If you liked Obama, you only listened to the good. If you hated Obama, you only listened to the bad. If you like Trump, you only listen to the good. If you hate Trump, you only listen to the Bad. The biased reporting makes them polarizing figures. Its not easy, but you must listen to both sides, if you want to form an Honest Opinion.
---David on 11/2/19


Why is Nicole off topic here? This is about illegal immigration , not some silly nonsense about democrats and another opportunity to trash and divide.
---kathr4453 on 11/2/19


Is Nicole deflecting here because hundreds of CATHOLIC CHURCHES are hiding illegal immigrants where the majority of these coming from CATHOLIC COUNTRIES are CATHOLIC.

This is the subject at hand in this thread.

Funny how many are concerned with a higher population of Islam, but don't see the same issue with being over run with illegal CATHOLICS.
---kathr445 on 11/2/19


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Nicole, just what is "Satanic spirit cooking"?

Democrats have no problem with rich people, as long as they are Democrats, too, such as the Kennedys.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/1/19


Democrats breaking the 1st numberated 10 Commandments

1. Satanic spirit cooking.

2. Not only taking His Name in Vain, but KICK God off their platform.

3. Democrats in Church when cameras are presents after public complaints Obamas at 3 Easter Services

4. Democrats teach kids they can have abortions or BCP without parent's consent.

5. Democrats abortion idol.

6. Katie Hill, Ilhan Omar, Bill and etc

7. Remember the Clintons last days in the White House?

8. Hello? Adam Schiff

9. FBI Love birds and all the Fallen Democrats in
ME2 era

10. Democrats mad at rich people just because they are rich.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/1/19


Steveng:

Liars on BOTH sides (Fox is notorious) spin anything, so look at the entire context, e.g.
large sections of Trump's speeches. Some are incoherent word salad. Others are damning.

"phony emoluments clause", praising China for a president for life and hoping we have one some day, "I deserve a 3rd and 4th term", calling impeachment "a lynching" - all flagrant denials of the Constitution. Telling subordinates to violate Congressional subpoenas is obstruction, as is telling them to sieze property for his wall, and not worry about committing illegal acts because he'll just pardon them.

Trump breaks most of 10C and BOASTS on it (see kat543's message). Wake up and smell the roast beast.
---StrongAxe on 10/29/19


Steveng, there is no doubt we are living in the end times. Trump is not some end times hero. I believe he is crippling America in the world, offending our allies, sucking up to evil dictators, betraying those who fought with us against ISIS, destroying our own Constitution, and the rule of law, etc. Causing great division in our country by making even the Republicans who speak against him the enemy of the state. It's disgusting, and evil. Check out the 7 sins GOD HATES. Trump and many Rep have broken all 7. I compare to scripture ALONE Steveng, not other news agencies.

You seem to be focused on the things your state tv wants to focus on all the while pulling the wool over your eyes while more serious issues are happening.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/19


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Steveng, THIS is what I listen to, and what you too should be listening to.

Proverbs 6:16-19

16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:

17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,

18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,

19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
---kat453 on 10/29/19


You need to realize that the liberals and MSM take text, speeches and videos out of context. And with computer graphics, you can't trust what you read, what you hear, and what you see. High Tech companies are shadow banning all truth. Liberals are chipping away at the Constitution.

You need to remember ultimate agenda. Bible prophesy states that in the end days Satan will cause confusion in the world. How many genders do we need? He has only a short time left to destroy as much of God's creation as possible.
---Steveng on 10/28/19


Steveng, it's you who must be listening to state tv news. Trumps lies have come right out of his mouth....as I heard with my own ears, and then heard again with my own ears lying more , back tracking, then excusing his lies..then saying SO WHAT I DID IT. Then says he can do anything he wants because he claims to be above the law. I heard the GRAB BY THE -------, and that shows what kind of NON CHRISTIAN he is.

Christians not putting their faith in people but in God alone do not close their eyes to evil, no matter WHO it us.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/19


Kathr wrote: "...seeing we have a President who breaks the law and lies over and over and over without shame."

You have been watching/listening to mainstream media(MSM). Out of the 139 promises Pres. Trump made during his campaign, he accomplished 138 of them. More than any other previous president. The only one he couldn't accomplish is the wall.

You cannot believe MSM. They are against President Trump. ABC, for instance, showed a video clip on October 13/14 of a weapons demonstration in Knob Creek Kentucky in 2017 making the general public believe is was the bombing of civilians in Syria. Both the original video and the ABC news clip can be seen on alternative news sites.

---Steveng on 10/27/19


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We can can get out and vote, changing laws we don't like, go to the border and assist , bring tractor trailer trucks full of food, supplies, medical, ....

But breaking the law and hiding illegals is another issue I have a problem with. Those given asylum certainly should be sponsored by Christian families, and maybe THAT is the way around this.....SPONSOR A FAMILY and tell the Government you will take 100% responsibility for housing, health insurance ,school, college, a job, their food...all of it. I say put your money where your mouth is....legally. Start an ADOPT A FAMILY FOR LIFE, agency. When you personally pay, others don't have to pay by of raising taxes on all. And No more stolen identities, and fake SS cards.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/19


You always seem to use "denominational" as a pejorative, to single out the majority of Christians, deliberately dividing Christ.

The Church throughout history has mandates to heal the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless, and provide refuge for the oppressed, as Jesus taught these again and again. Many so-called "denominational churches" have official policies about this, even to the point where the Right of Sanctuary is considered to supersede civil law.

When you are in a position where the Law of God requires you to do one thing, and the Law of the State requires you do do the exact opposite, which one would YOU do? Is your first allegiance to God, or to the State?
---StrongAxe on 10/26/19


Funny how the subject is now denominational churches.

Senility....such a bummer.

Its gonna be harder and harder for people to take laws seriously Steveng, seeing we have a President who breaks the law and lies over and over and over without shame.
---kathr4453 on 10/23/19


\\Most Churches are denominational, even Orthodox.\\

So is yours, kath.

"Orthodox" is merely a label we wear so other people looking for the truth can find us.

Our name to ourselves is the Church of Christ, which is not the same thing as the American home-made denomination.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/23/19


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Most Churches are denominational, even Orthodox. So technically a church in a home not affiliated with anything would be hard to harbor illegals. I take no offense to the question. Cluny LOOKS for things to be offended by. So sad. Always such negative energy coming from that one.

SOOOOO you're saying THAT is the verse Churches are using to justify harboring illegal immigrants? Well, that verse is not about breaking the laws of your Country usurping authority over those God has put in place over you RE your Government laws.

If someone lost their job, home, etc, yes taking them in is what that verse is about....not breaking the law.

Are there Other verses that people are using to justify?
---kathr4453 on 10/22/19


\\Do you know what scripture is used to defend harboring illegal immigrants?
---kathr4453 on 10/22/19\\

I'll bet you don't.

However, in Matthew 25, Jesus said, "I was a stranger, and you took Me in."

I notice you said nothing about Steveng's own snarky words about "denominational churches."

Why?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/22/19


Great Question Steveng. Don't know why Cluny has to put his snarky comments here.

I'm sure even among various Churches, there are differences of opinion.

Do you know what scripture is used to defend harboring illegal immigrants?
---kathr4453 on 10/22/19


What does the worldly denominational "church" of Steveng think about it?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 10/20/19


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