Actually Cluny, there is no such thing as Arab Palestinians, that is a hoax starting with Arafat the first terrorist.\\
kath, please tell me where I said "Arab Palestinians."
I never did that.
What I said is that many Palestinians are Christians, Orthodox to be precise.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/12/19|
Palestinian Arabs are not related to the Philistines of biblical times. They are Arabs who have been living in Palestine for many hundreds of years, and consider it their home. They have roots that go back to the Arab conquest in the 7th century, which go back 1400 years.
Most Americans are of European descent, and have been living on this continent for 500 years or less, yet they consider this their home.
When you say "there is no such thing as Arab Palestinians", you would thus be even more correct in saying "there is no such thing as Americans", as they're mostly from Europe, and the few that are native to here never used the term America, as that's from the name of one lucky European sailor.
---StrongAxe on 11/12/19|
All I am saying about the Gentile believer, is that for right now, Jesus is the Christ, and they are not in search of a Christ as the Jews are. But, they will be fooled too.
How? For them....And Undeniable truth.
For the reason you mentioned. Since many look to the Jewish nation, when they proclaim their Christ, many gentile believers will believe them. He will fulfill the greatest prophecy of all the prophecies...the Prophecy of Jonah. The beast will appear to be dead, but after 3 days, he will appear to come back to life.
(Revelation 3:13) And I saw that one of his heads was, as it were, wounded to death, and.....his deadly wound was healed. And all the world wondered after the beast.
---David on 11/12/19|
Yes Strongaxe, exactly right.
You know Strongaxe, that's why I asked a few month back about a particular politician...which I think is some precursor to the beast. We just see how easy it is now to become one. Ha! And how gullible people in these days are who so easily follow these beasts beyond sanity. That part is scary..
But does this particular politician have lying signs and wonders following him? It doesn't look like it. He does have plenty of fooled people following him. Now that I said that....does fool mean easily fooled? Is that a sign ? It definitely is a wonder!
---kathr4453 on 11/12/19|
Actually Cluny, there is no such thing as Arab Palestinians, that is a hoax starting with Arafat the first terrorist. If you look in scripture in Genesis, the Palistinians are actually Philistines, from the island of Crete who have always been enemies of Israel going way back. No scripture or history shows ant such thing as a Palistinian other than the ones from Crete, and are not Arabs, nor were they Christians. This is the hoax, and like many who don't know history or the scriptures will buy into that hoax. The Palistinians now in Israel are probably Arabs from one of the Arab nations that were rejected and pushed out by their own people.
---kathr445 on 11/12/19|
Also, remember that the Antichrist will conclude a peace treaty with Israel, which will last for 3 and a half years - before he turns around and betrays them. So whenever you see some politician buttering up Israel, it MIGHT be because he's honestly interested in God's People, or it MIGHT because he's only planning to use them for his own ends, and plans to turn on them in the end.
To find out for sure, it's good to look at how that politician deals with everyone else in his life - whether he makes true friends and allies, or merely pawns to use and discard.
---StrongAxe on 11/11/19|
David, you just made me think of something. I agree with your post, but not sure about the Gentile thing. You do see in Revelation (sic) they sang the song of Moses and overcame the beast. I believe this verse is talking about a remnant of Israel, not Gentiles. As we see in Zechariah 12-14 only about 1/3 of Israel will live through this time. And it appears in Zechariah, those Gentile nations who don't come against Israel will be allowed to live during the 1000 years, but not necessarily guaranteed salvation. So during that dispensation they will go under Kingdom Law...we see shown in Matthew as well. And then after the 1000 years, Satan will be loosed and a real testing more than ever will or may decide their eternal life.
---kathr4453 on 11/11/19|
The modern state of Israel is not the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, but is actually Anti-Israel, and thus will produce Anti-Christ.
Something that many Darbian dispensationalists don't know is that many of the Palestinians were Christians, but got forced from their homes by the Zionists.
I suggest you read the book BLOOD BROTHERS by Abp. Elias Chacour.
He and his fellow Christians were driven from their homes, and then got to see the Israeli army blow it up with artillery before their very eyes on Christmas Day.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/11/19|
I agree Kathrine, keeping an eye on the state of Israel is key to the end times. Though all the countries of the world will eventually accept the Anti-Christ as their king/ruler/whatever, the end will not come until the Jews accept him as their Christ.
As I have pointed out in the past, the Gentile believer has already crowned Jesus as their Christ (Matthew 12:21)...and in his name shall the gentiles trust. But since the Jews rejected Jesus as Christ, they are still waiting to crown their Christ. And when they do, when their Christ stands in the Holy Place,( in the place God designated for Jesus to stand), the end will come. (Matthew 24:15)
---David on 11/11/19|
Cluny, we do know that for the first time since God scattered Israel after Solomon's sin, and losing the land, which in fact was part of the curse of disobedience, they are back, having their own homeland. You didn't think God was personally going to teleport them did you? Does God work through man? I would say so. What we are seeing is prophecy of Israel coming back to the Land God gave to them....same land...Isaiah 14 as the same land God gave them we see Moses took them to. I don't believe in coincidences. However many including professed Christians have a problem with Jews being back in Israel, including the Pope I'll bet.
Just more intriguing drama for end times to play out. It's all prophecied in Zechariah 12-14.
---kathr4453 on 11/11/19|
\\They don't believe in Isaiah 14 that in the last days God will bring the physical descendants back to the Land He gave them...re ISRAEL.\\
Whether the present modern secular state of Israel is the fulfillment of this prophecy can be debated.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/10/19|
David, good point. One false doctrine that will alter ones end times belief is that of the false doctrine of replacement theology..meaning the Church is now Israel. They don't believe in Isaiah 14 that in the last days God will bring the physical descendants back to the Land He gave them...re ISRAEL. Because the Church is NOT Israel WE have different promises, that if we don't distinguish and rightly divide these promises, we will be deceived.
That's a BIG ONE, as very few know the CHURCH>>>BOC is NOT Israel, WE are not promised to be brought back to any LAND....Isaiah 14 for one, and robbing Israel of THEIR PROMISES is the first bad step in being deceived.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/19|
Many TODAY will fall into that same thing, not rightly dividing the word of truth.---kathr4453
And thats what has created the problem, the division of Truth. The Truth, a title to which many give to whatever doctrine they may have chosen. When God sent us the Truth, through his Son, in the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
We are only allowed to show people the Truth, but we can not make them believe it. For them to break free of their false doctrines, they must seek the Truth on their own.
When they dont, the Truth you show them, becomes your Truth. And then they see it as their truth against your truth, and not their truth against Gods Truth.
---David on 11/10/19|
Our end time doctrine will affect how we believe what happens in the end. Dominion Theology , Reconstruction Theology, etc all will have a different perspective on the 666 , and unfortunately like Judas, who got his dispensations wrong, thought then Jesus was going to overthrow Rome and take the Throne and rule and reign right then. It WILL HAPPEN ONE DAY, but it wasn't Jesus time AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME, and Judas got it wrong. It's what John 6...THE ENTIRE CHAPTER IS ABOUT.
Many TODAY will fall into that same thing, not rightly dividing the word of truth.
Those TODAY still under the LAW, and not GRACE will be deceived, because GRACE , aka the dispensation of GRACE gives us a different ending.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/19|
John 6:15 When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone.
There were 2 promises of the Coming Messiah...one prophecied KING, and the other prophecied death..Isaiah 53 for starters. Judas believed Jesus was to be KING and that is why Judas betrayed Jesus.
But scripture RIGHTLY DIVIDED shows that the GLORIFIED CHRIST Zechariah 12-14 who descends from Heaven after He ascended after His death and resurrection will be King. Acts 1:6-11 confirms.
If you don't have these pieces correctly in place you'll never get it right.
---kat453 on 11/9/19|
What happens when what God's Holy Spirit tells person A the exact opposite of what He tells person B?---Cluny
That is the very definition of the Anti-Christ. Not only is he opposed to Christ, but he wants us to do the opposite of what Christ commands us to do. Revenge vs Forgiveness, Hate vs Love...etc.
If you are speaking about a difference in doctrine, Satan is right in the middle of our churches trying to mislead us there as well. His works are quite visible, when you look for those teachings which teach the opposite of what Christ taught.
This is one very good reason the Bible teaches us to make our foundation on the Gospel of Christ. For in his gospel, the opposite teachings of the Anti-Christ are easily seen.
---David on 11/8/19|
Many can claim they believe this one or that......but I believe as David pointed out God himself will reveal to those who earnestly seek Him. It may not be what mr A or Mr B or Mr C says.
Everyone is at a different growth level, and also different doctrines dictate different endings....giving different answers.
Just be open to the Lords teaching, giving us discernment to false teachers etc, and don't be so absolute that you fail to grow into a different perspective.
One thing for sure...when you see apostate Christianity riding the back of politics promoting Christianity, and some super political hero emerges....there is a BIG CLUE.
---kathr4453 on 11/7/19|
\\ One thing I learned about Gods Holy Spirit, early on, If you want to learn from men, instead of the Gift God has given you, \\
What happens when what God's Holy Spirit tells person A the exact opposite of what He tells person B?
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/7/19|
Bottom line, we need to listen to Gods Holy Spirit. Unfortunately many are hindered by their doctrines, not knowing how to use this gift.
One thing I learned about Gods Holy Spirit, early on, If you want to learn from men, instead of the Gift God has given you, God will allow you to remain ignorant in these man made doctrines.
Only one way to heaven, and we have been given a choice of a thousand paths, through a thousand doctrines. Only one path can be the right path, and you will only find it by listening to Gods Holy Spirit.
---David on 11/6/19|
Robert A. Heinlein Wrote Science Fiction. Hopefully Christians don't turn to science fiction novelists for Spiritual answers. Non Christians would. Maybe ask Nicholis Cage....didn't he play in an end times movie....that would also make him an expert on the subject...right?...just by reading the script....
---kathr4453 on 11/5/19|
You wrote: Ki>Has it occurred to anyone that John, who knew about exponents, he was using 666 to mean six, to the power six and that sum raised to the power of six again?
It certainly occurred to Robert A. Heinlein. In his novel "The Number of the Beast", that particular mathematical calculation is a significant plot point. I wonder if that's what you were thinking of?
That number (6 to the power 6 to the power 6) is 6 to the power 46656, which is 36305 digits long, and way too long to include here.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/19|
The people who act in attacking and murdering others will show by their persecution of those around them. That they are followers of Satan not a loving caring GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/5/19|
So many other verses are necessary in understanding too, like the woman who rides the beast ...etc, we are seeing right now.---kathr4453
Exactly! There are many things written in Revelation We could guess about, and many do. But there are some things the Lord gives us, I believe which are meant to be shared.
We may not always know when we hear the Truth, but we would be wise to keep it in mind should it happen.
---David on 11/4/19|
God didn't say in Rev 13...he who is a math expert .
Or has a background in exponents. So laughable ....What a joke. Also please prove John's background in exponents. Use only scripture to back up.
So far to date the only one claiming to be like God or the vicar of Christ is the Pope. Is that why Catholics make up deflections like the one Monk use ?
---kathr4453 on 11/4/19|
"Each digit is a 6" is a visual pun possible in positional counting systems like Hindu/Arabic numbers we use, but impossible in Greek, Hebrew, and Roman Numerals that use different letters for each digit. In Greek, as in Hebrew, numbers are written using letters, with each one group of letters representing 1-9, another for 10-90, and another for 100-900.
The Number of the Beast is written as three letters chi, xi, and digamma (or stigma), which respectively represent the numbers 600, 60, and 6. If John had meant three separate sixes, he would have had to have written digamma three times.
(Some codices also say chi, iota, and digamma, which equal 616.)
---StrongAxe on 11/4/19|
Has it occurred to anyone that John, who knew about exponents, he was using 666 to mean six, to the power six and that sum raised to the power of six again?
---Monk_Brendan on 11/3/19|
For what it's worth, IHCOYS ChRISTOS adds up to 888.
Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/3/19|
David I agree. I think the Lord puts in in your heart to want to understand. If it were such a waste of time, no verse would even exist.
It's there for a reason and a warning.
I believe though the understanding comes from scripture and not man made systems of names numbers adding up. I believe calculate here means to deeply think, seeking the Lord through His word for these answers.
So those who do use man made ( not scriptural ) numbering system etc are wasting time.
So many other verses are necessary in understanding too, like the woman who rides the beast ...etc, we are seeing right now.
---kathr4453 on 11/3/19|
The beast is going to pretend to be Christ....and we should know , because we KNOW CHRIST , who any imposter would be. 666 all fall short of God, who is a 777.
I agree, folks need to understand the meaning of the Word, Anti-Christ. I see it to mean the same as Kathrine says,...Imposter.
If Jesus is to be the King of Kings, isnt that the role Satan would be seeking? I just throw this information out, information I know to be true, to etch your memory, so hopefully you can recall it, when needed.
We can argue about may things here on CN, but this information is very important to me, because it could mean Eternal salvation for those who have followed the false doctrines.
---David on 11/3/19|
In researching the original Greek word for count or calculate ...there is only one other verse that uses this word, in Luke 14:28 "count" the cost. In using this verse in Luke as a reference point to how the word is used, means to meditate deeply upon from a spiritual perspective for your own understanding.
Seeing too Christians are no longer part of this WORLD system, and that we are to have no other Gods before us....the principle the verse is conveying should be a no brainer.
The beast is going to pretend to be Christ....and we should know , because we KNOW CHRIST , who any imposter would be. 666 all fall short of God, who us a 777.
---kathr4453 on 11/2/19|
It's meaningless to try to calculate a number unless you have a formula to calculate it. Many self-proclaimed biblical scholars "calculated" this and that person's number to be 666, and all were wrong. The Bible gives no formula but DOES give other signs - boastful, will suffer a deadly wound from and recover, and nobody can buy or sell without his mark. Nobody on earth is close to either of those last two.
Nothing in the Bible mentions "66". It's yet another man-made "formula". Also, "666 is three sixes" is a mere coincidence, an artifact of the Hindu-Arabic numbering system we use today in the west, but was NOT used in old or new testaments, and is not used worldwide either.
---StrongAxe on 11/2/19|
It is very important to understand 666, because it points to the absolute identity of the one of whom Revelation warns us about. There has never been anyone, throughout time, who fits this description, though some were very close.
Now I dont expect you to believe what I am going to say, but I say it so that it may come to mind, if needed.
As we know, the number 6 is the number of man. Every corresponding 6 represents an authority over man.
A king, Prime Minister, or a president, for example, when calculated, would be a 66. A king of kings, according to this calculation, will be a 666. A single ruler, who will rule over everyone.
---David on 11/2/19|
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The verse says count the number of the beast, not count the number of the man.
It also says he who has understanding count the number of the beast. Human numerology or the likes and figure out exactly who it is is something man made up, and has wasted everyone's time, appealing to mans vain imagination.
Let's remember, all wisdom understanding and knowledge are IN CHRIST. Ephesians 1:17, I Corinthians 1:30, Proverbs 9:10, Jeremiah 9:24 w/more verses on this same thought one FIRST MUST have UNDERSTANDING in the first place.
Also the verse is personal, and no where says, " and don't waste your time on this trying to understand"
Those IN CHRIST have the mind of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/2/19|
Yes Revelation 13:18 is all very good, but how, exactly, does one "count" the number of a man? There are many different ways of counting, and many people over the ages have used many different ways to shoehorn almost anyone they want to fit the Beast's "glass slipper", claiming that their way of counting was correct - and in the end they were all wrong, because the person in question didn't fulfil the prophecies.
Instead of wasting our time trying to second guess God by trying to figure out who the beast is (that's assuming he's even visible on the current political scene yet, which is by no means given), we should make sure we're busy doing what we're supposed to be doing when Jesus returns.
---StrongAxe on 11/1/19|
Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man, and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
---kathr4453 on 11/1/19|
Many people have wasted huge amounts of time, trying to attack the Number of the Beast to many people throughout history. They were all been. This is what Cluny calls the futile game of "pin the tail on the Beast".
The Bible doesn't tell us to guess who the Beast is. We'll know when he comes, because there are many signs that will follow him (e.g. making it so nobody can buy or sell unless they have the Mark, and that is impossible unless he first controls all world finances, something nobody is close to doing yet).
Once all those other signs are apparent, THEN the Number will be a confirming sign, but worrying about it first is putting the cart before the horse, and distracting us from what we're supposed to be doing.
---StrongAxe on 11/1/19|
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Just think of 7 as perfect. 7 in scripture is very significant.
7 symbolically means perfect, rest, complete, finished, etc. God is a 7. Those IN CHRIST are 7.
6 is the number of man apart from God.
---kathr4453 on 10/29/19|
Playing silly apocalyptic games such as Pin the Tail on the Beast is NOT a profitable use of time.
Don't worry about Antichrist.
Be in love with JESUS Christ!
To Him be glory.
---Cluny on 10/29/19|