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1 Timothy 2:5 - For there is one mediator between God and men, The man Jesus Christ.

John 10:30 - I and my Father are One

Ephesians 4:5 - One Lord One faith One Baptism.

John 17:5 - And now, O Father ,glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Titus 1:4 - To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
---RichardC on 11/27/19


David, NT Grace is the cross. Galatians 2:20-21 clarify . Grace vs the Law. No longer I but Christ in me. No , before the cross Christ was not in anyone. Romans 5-8 also clarify. The MYSTERY kept secret in the OT now revealed is CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY. Colossians 1:24-27. Christ is now IN US via one way..that is to be baptized into His death and raised up together with Him a New Creature. Not possible before the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/27/19


The word "grace" here is Hebrew "chen" (Strong's H2580) that means favour, grace, charm, elegance, acceptance, kindness.---StrongAxe

I agree, Grace is the favor of God, not Christ living in you, as Kathrine believes. But you challenged me, not Kathrine. So, Do you agree with Kathrines definition?
---David on 11/28/19


Please stop refering to Grace as Gods unmerited favor. That's a Calvinist doctrine they say no faith is needed. All in the OT saved by faith. Finding grace in Gods eyes, even then the person first showed faith...so unmerited has nothing to do with it. And Grace is seen in the person. The definition is not the same as the NT.

In the NT HOWEVER GRACE is all about Jesus...not you. Jesus saves.

Ephesians 2: 2 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved,) 6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The above also reiterates Romans 6
---kat453 on 11/28/19


The idea of Grace the unmerited favor of GOD by which we are saved extends back to Adam. The Promise of the Messiah.

To be saved we must be forgiven of our sins. Grace is the only way we can be forgiven.

As some Scholars had stated all before the Cross were saved by faith in the coming Messiah. Now we are saved just like Abraham by faith but now we have had the living messiah.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/27/19




David:

You wrote: (Genesis 6:8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
If what you say, is Grace, Do you believe Noah had Christ living in him?


False logic leads to false conclusions. That is like saying Bananas are fruit. Apples are fruit. Therefore, apples are bananas.

Nowhere does the Bible say Jesus is the only source of grace, any more than Moses is the only source of law.

The Old Testament has around 30 instances using the idiom "find grace in your eyes" or similar, meaning "find favor in your eyes".

The word "grace" here is Hebrew "chen" (Strong's H2580) that means favour, grace, charm, elegance, acceptance, kindness.
---StrongAxe on 11/27/19


mike:

That is right. Jesus did not come to abolish the Mosaic covenant. If you are Jewish, you are part of that covenant. However, the vast majority of Christians have no part in that covenant.

Jesus also established a totally new and different covenant - the covenant of Grace. That is the one that WE are under.

If you believe that Christians are still under the law, then please explain to me just to whom those bold-faced passages I quoted in my previous message were addressed, because they were SPECIFICALLY addressed to people who "are not under the law, but under grace".

I also didn't mention Christmas or Easter, so why are you bringing them up?
---StrongAxe on 11/26/19


CHRIST IN YOU Is GRACE. ---kathr4453

(Genesis 6:8) But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Kathryn
If what you say, is Grace, Do you believe Noah had Christ living in him?
---David on 11/27/19


Ok so I see those who pervert the Grace of God. That's why so many have issues with GRACE...not because GRACE has issues, but those who pervert GRACE give a wrong understanding. CHRIST IN YOU Is GRACE. Does CHRIST IN YOU join Himself to sodomy, etc. HECK NO! We DIED to sin under GRACE. The NT has many scriptures dealing with sexual perversions, lasciviousness ....immorality etc. just because one is under GRACE does not mean now you have permission to sleep with your daughters, sons, etc.

Sodomy is addressed in the NT, Romans 1-2' Jude, Corinthians as you have been shown before Strongaxe. YOU and Cluny tried to explain away....but it can't be.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/19


not under the new covenant. what did i say strongaxe. christ said 'I did NOT come to ablolish the law but to execute it. even Paul never change the law. Paul was accused of changing the law nearly stoned to death. that means you are lawless or cherrypick what is convenient to you. always using 'we are under the new covenant'. if you say that covenant bet God & jews only, then you are twisting the word of God. instead of passover its now catholic mass or christmas or pagan easter-never biblical christ never observed them
---mike on 11/26/19




mike:

The Law was the covenant between God and the Jews. Christians are not under that covenant. We are under the new covenant of Grace.

Romans 6:14-15
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

1 Corinthians 6:12
All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any.

Galatians 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
---StrongAxe on 11/26/19


I believe common sense tells us what God STILL considers SIN regardless of what Covenant one is under.---kathr4453 on 11/25/19

Excellent point!!
Everyone seems to believe Jesus did away with the Law. When God merely changed it.

If sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4), wouldnt this mean anyone who sins, was under Gods Law? How could Adam and Eve have sinned, if there was no Law?

Even the angels, in heaven, are under Gods Law!!!
(2 Peter 2:4) For if God spared not the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved unto judgment
---David on 11/26/19


Can you show any actual scriptures that distinguish different subsections of the Law, some of which have been abolished, and some of which haven't? Because I'm not aware of any.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/19

the law has been abolished? christ NEVER said that he did NOT come to abolish the LAW but to fulfill (PLEROO) to perform & EXECUTE.

abolish the 7th day sabbath but keep the malachi 3:10 tithe.

the bible says ALL not some or cherry pick


2 tim 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

LAWLESS men twist cherry pick God's word. lucifer is lawless or rebellion
---mike on 11/25/19


Leviticus 20:15 And if a man lie with a beast, he shall surely be put to death: and ye shall slay the beast.

I believe common sense tells us what God STILL considers SIN regardless of what Covenant one is under.

Can you show a NT verse Cluny or Strongaxe that the above is NOW OK? Of course not.

The NT addresses these issues as you have already been shown in many ways , but you both deny or reject. Why is that? Is this because you are defending your own life style here? Why are you trying to normalize it? Standing against Trump Strongaxe because of blatant sin ....just may not be sin in the NT can be used too to normalize his behavior. Don't be two faced.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/19


trump is a narcissist. he only care about himself. christians who follow him are blind. trump will say what jeffress, graham, white, copeland want to hear - they have itching ears. lucifer is a narcissist. he said I will ascend above the throne of God, I will be like the Most high. trump loves his money & his title as president went up his head. that is why church & state should be separate bec. you are not a christian if you don't vote for trump. it is true that christians are BRAINWASHed in obeying GOP pastors who says trump is the CHOSEN one.
---mike on 11/25/19


Leviticus 19: 32

32You are to rise in the presence of the elderly, honor the aged, and fear your God. I am the LORD.

Is this commandment still binding, mike?

Why or why not?

It's found in the midst of a mixed group of agricultural and sexual rules.

The are all prefaced with "Keep my decrees/statutes" (depending on which version of the Bible used).

Please explain, mike.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/25/19


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michael_e:

Cluny wrote: Do you actually think the Bible makes such a distinction?

You wrote: Actually I do

Can you show any actual scriptures that distinguish different subsections of the Law, some of which have been abolished, and some of which haven't? Because I'm not aware of any.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/19


michael_e:

We have different sensibilities than people 2-4000 years ago. We express horror at murder but not cooking on the Sabbath, yet under Moses, both carried the death penalty. Most Christians would hate living under Mosaic law (and would probably end up executed).

The Bible itself makes no distinction between moral, dietary, civil, criminal, ceremonial, or other laws - are all just The Law. We read modern sensibilities into the Bible, and re-interpret its meaning, but we delude ourselves if we think that's how it was originally intended to be read.

It's convenient self-deception to think Jesus did away with some parts of the law, while requiring us to obey other parts, and then cherry-picking which parts are which.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/19


//Do you actually think the Bible makes such a distinction?//
Actually I do
---michael_e on 11/24/19


jerry6593:

You would rather suppress the rights of the majority?


Nicole_Lacey:

Tyranny is bad, no matter who does it. One problem with ANY government is if the majority want something, the minority must live with it. If five order pizza and four want pepperoni and one wants meatball, they order pepperoni, and one is unsatisfied.

The alternative (tyranny of the minority) is even WORSE. If they ordered meatball, MOST would be unsatisfied. We get this with the Electoral College (3x in Republican favor in the past 70 years), gerrymandering, or dictatorship.

Founding Fathers warned against a two party system. European democracies need to form stable coalitions to rule. We do not, so we lack Madison's safeguards.
---StrongAxe on 11/24/19


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**//Are the OT passages, also in Leviticus, that call eating shrimp or wearing blended fabrics still valid?//
Do you actually think moral and dietary laws are the same?
---michael_e on 11/24/19**

Do you actually think the Bible makes such a distinction?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/24/19


StrongAxe, ever heard of the 'tyranny of the majority'?

James Madison wrote about it in the Federalist Paper 51:..Madison had thought that the greatest safeguard against the TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY was the large number of sects and divergences of interests and opinions that divided people in ways that made it virtually impossible for coalitions to form stable majorities.

(AKA Electoral Colleges of the States)

....(The phrase often used is "permanent minorities", but "permanent" is too strong because the problem is not that one is in a permanent minority, but that one is in a minority with no likely possibility to be in the majority in the near future or within even a few generations.) by Rick Garlikov
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/24/19


ax: I know that, as a foreigner, it is hard for you to understand the genius of the American system of government, but your leftist, collective, mob rule would gladly suppress the rights of the minority in deference to the "greater good". It is an undeniable fact that American cities controlled by Democrats are cesspools of humanity where minorities are forced to live in squalor. It is also a fact that the popular vote in Democrat areas consist of large numbers of fraudulent votes.


---jerry6593 on 11/24/19


//Are the OT passages, also in Leviticus, that call eating shrimp or wearing blended fabrics still valid?//
Do you actually think moral and dietary laws are the same?
---michael_e on 11/24/19


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No treasonous attack by WE THE PEOPLE. The treason it appears involves the hidden agenda of Nunes, so self righteous in his continual drippings is a FRAUD, as more info comes to LIGHT . So you all need to stick a sock in it until ALL the facts are in.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/19


I knew that whoever was inaugurated on January 2018 would be a minority president.

That is, the person would actually have a minority of the popular vote.

St. Paul said that we should pray for the secular authorities, not that they would do God's will, but simply leave Christians alone.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/23/19


jerry6593:

1) With 3 million votes less than Hillary, Trump was chosen by the Electoral College, not "WE the people".

2) A coup is removal without due process. Impeachment IS due process, in the Constitution. If the House impeaches (like a Grand Jury), the Senate trial will let Trump present a defense, as in any trial.

3) House Democrats have been pushing for impeachment since day one. Voters knew this and then gave them the House - sounds like a voter mandate to me.

4) The "treason" here is Trump blackmailing another country into digging up dirt on his own political rival, in an attempt to influence the 2020 election.

5) Your continual use of pejoratives belies your objectivity.
---StrongAxe on 11/23/19


StrongAxe, in ALL CASES Federal, State and Private it ONLY means protected from being fired as a reprisal.

That is the reprisal of being fired.

//But with the gov, there are worse dangers.//

I was in the Gov!

What you are suggesting is that the Gov Herself (employees) will harm you.

I bet you didn't even know about the 'No Fear Act' signed by Bush in 2002

That Act is to help with OTHER reprisals against whistleblowers because they can't fire you. Which I also used because I was a whistleblower.

In other words, if a whistleblower identity could be anonymous the 'No Fear Act' wouldn't be needed.

Besides, why would someone INCLUDING me volunteer their own identity if it wasn't required?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/23/19


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What a shame that the President chosen by "WE the People" has been under a treasonous attack by the LOSERS, the Democrat Party, since his victorious election. All of the conspirators in this coup have now emerged as players in the FAKE dossier-Russian investigation and Ukraine phone call. From Obama with his Intelligence and State Department lackeys to Hillary to Pelosi to the lying Shiff show, this army of traitors, together with their media partners, have yet to understand that they LOST, and that "We the People" LOVE our President and the great things he is doing for our Country. Just look at the clown show that is the Dem alternative. Who could love any of that?


---jerry6593 on 11/23/19


Trump, Clinton and Obama are sinners? Is that supposed to be news? I am going to go out on a limb here and say, every President we have ever had...was a sinner too.

Now I would like to make a confession, I too have sinned. And the Lord, has forgiven me for those sins. But this forgiveness does not give me the right to judge others for their sins. Do any of you have that right?

Just a friendly warning:
(Luke 6:37) Judge not, and ye shall not be judged. Condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned. Forgive, and ye shall be forgiven.

Its easy to get carried away in discussion in which we are emotionally involved...but be careful folks, careful you dont go too far.
---David on 11/23/19


Trump doesn't care about those two issues any more than he cares about Ukraine. What Trump cares about is getting re-elected and will do and say anything even underhanded like we've seen so clearly to get reelected. It has nothing to do with Trumps moral fiber. So actually saying God bless Trump I find close to blasphemy. But apostate Christianity sees it differently. And yes, in today's Christian world the Flag replaced the cross, and being a Republican replaced being a Christian and FOX replaced the Pastor. These false Christians putting party first where they are driven by party rather than the WORD OF GOD...just as the Pharisees did were reviled and called hypocrites by Jesus so eloquently stated over and over.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/19


For all you Fox and Friends on line here who get no other news....there were no portraits to hang in the Embassy's because the WH had not produced any portraits to hang in Ukraine or any other Embassy. Once they received the portraits they were hung immediately. So again what a LIE, and ANOTHER false accusation to Maria Ivanovich. If that were actually true, believe me Nunes would have grabbed hold of that during the hearings and used it to prove this or that against her. FUNNY how Trump has to make up stuff AFTER her testimony to continue to smear her. Bearing false witness is one of the TOP TEN. Just as evil as the others. I can not ask God to bless an EVIL PERSON.

And you apostates are saying ...God Bless Trump.....OH PLEASE!
---kat453 on 11/23/19


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So is Thou shall Not lie
Thou shall not steal
Thou shall not hear false witness
This shall not commit adultery

An so on and so on.

It's hard to point fingers at others sin when one is steeped in sin. Isn't that what Romans 2 is all about. Saying you should not do something but are doing it yourself.

Who cares about Those sins when we can deflect and distract from our own by pointing out others sins. God has a lot to say about hypocrisy too. Also warns..woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/19


\\I believe Lev 18:22 is still valid.
---michael_e on 11/22/19\\

Are the OT passages, also in Leviticus, that call eating shrimp or wearing blended fabrics still valid?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/22/19


michael_e:

That is just what I said. Many Christian voters are so obessed about those two issues (that Jesus never mentioned), they throw everything else in the bible under the bus.

Jesus said "I was hungry and you fed me, naked and you clothed me, sick and you comforted me". Republicans cut food stamps, welfare, Obamcare, Medicaid, and Medicare, and want to criminalize homelessness.

Republican voters almost deify a man who breaks most Commandments and what Jesus taught, just because his party pays lip-service to those two issues.

Republican politicians claim family values and to be anti-LGBT until they are caught with their pants down, and to be anti-abortion until their mistresses need one.
---StrongAxe on 11/22/19


God bless President Trump
Dems run on a ticket supporting
LGBT and abortion.
I believe Lev 18:22 is still valid.
---michael_e on 11/22/19


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Nicole_Lacey:

The Whistleblower Protection Act is to protect whistleblowers from reprisals. In most companies, that just means protection from being fired.

But with the government, there are worse dangers. Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman now needs 24/7 Army protection for him and his family just because he testfied - and it's unlikely the whistleblower will have access to that kind of protection.

Trump himself said the whistleblower was a traitor, "and we used to deal with traitors differently back then", referring to when treason was punished by death. This was a deliberate DEATH THREAT against the whistleblower. Who would dare expose themselves in that climate? Would you?
---StrongAxe on 11/22/19


Cluny, I never said anti means the opposite. You have a horrible command of comprehension and understanding what someone is saying. Anti_Christ means imposter, pretending to be....anti-Christ is NOT someone dressed in a red suit with horns openly claiming ..I AM THE DEVIL and AGAINST CHRIST. If that were so, why would anyone be deceived. YIKES...your command is slipping.

Cluny, maybe you are just trying to look smart at someone else's expense but you only made yourself look dumb by making an argument that was never there to begin with. I call a Clunism.....saying anything to get attention. Sad.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/19


StrongAxe: The whistleblower remains anonymous for fear of reprisals. Despite the Whistleblower Protection Act,//

You don't know what you are talking about. It states the Whistleblower CAN'T be fired.

I was a Whistleblower myself with a Whistleblower Lawyer expert.

Being anonymous ISN'T in the Whistleblower Protection Act.

Now, my Lawyer did say they can't fire me for being the whistleblower, but they WILL TRY to find something else to fire me. Boy, he was right! They tried, but couldn't thanks to God.

BTW, Obama DID fire over 200 whistleblowers and even sent some of them to prison.

'Obamas Legacy: A Historic War On Whistleblowers' - Long Island Press.

NOW That's reprisals
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/21/19


The Greek prefix "anti" in Greek means an alternative, not an opposite.

For example, President is "Proedros" in Greek. Vice President is "Antiproedros."

kath, your command of English is feeble enough. Don't venture into Greek, which I speak and read.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/21/19


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I think God has blessed Donald Trump in many ways, but I'm not sure that he has ever said thank you.
---JS1234 on 11/21/19


Remember, the Beast will do such marvels that he would deceive the very elect, if that were possible. This means that the majority of Christians will actually follow him.

Think about what that means. He will appear to fulfill Christians' wildest dreams.

So whenever you find ANY leader that commands such blinding loyalty among Christians, it always pays to be cautious. What, exactly, are his fruits? Jesus said "By their fruits, you will know them".

Whenever you see a powerful charismatic leader who tells Christians everything they want to hear, but who is constantly spewing rotten fruit, beware!
---StrongAxe on 11/21/19


It's already agreed that anti_ Christ means one who will pretend to be Christ....aka GOD. SO WRONG AGAIN CLUNY. Sitting in the temple as though he were God....means imposter.
---kathr4453 on 11/21/19


\\OH THIS MUST BE GOD, ( what anti_Christ means....)\\

Wrong again, as you usually are.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/21/19


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I'll bet anti_Christ will be against abortion as well, along with LBGQ whatever. And most likely will put everyone under the Law where so called Christians thinking OH THIS MUST BE GOD, ( what anti_Christ means....) will fall for this imposter.

You have to look at the WHOLE.. And any deceiver who wants the Christian support will play Christians on these issues all the while violating not only the Constitution, but violations just as grievous as abortion. Part of Hitlers reign of terror was sending LBGQ to work camps for the purpose of purifying Germany. WAKE UP.
---kathr4453 on 11/21/19


michael_e:

Very true. So many "Christians" are 1-issue-voters, pinning everything on these issues, throwing all others under the bus. Jesus never said anything about either of those, but these "Christians" willingly ignore many other things Jesus DID talk about, e.g. divorce and adultery. (E.g. Trump is twice divorced and cheated on all of his wives. His pastor Paula White is twice divorced. Kim Davis is thrice divorced).

Also, many Republican politicians scream "family values" and oppose LGBTQ until they're caught with men in a bathroom, or oppose abortion except when their mistresses need one. But "Christians" willingly overlook all that.
---StrongAxe on 11/21/19


Nicole_Lacey:

The whistleblower remains anonymous for fear of reprisals. Despite the Whistleblower Protection Act, Trump and many other Republicans demand to know who it is, contrary to law.

If WB testified before Congress, that would reveal their identity, making them subject to threats and intimidation. Right now, Lt. Col. Vindman is under army guard, and his family may be relocated to an army base, due to threats. It's hard to hold an impartial investigation when witnesses are threatened and put in fear of their lives.

WB's comments are hearsay as they are not sworn testimony. They cannot be used to convict, BUT can lead to investigation that brings out other witnesses who DO testify under oath, and many have done so.
---StrongAxe on 11/21/19


President Trump doesn't support abortion, or LGBTQ as apparently many so called Christians do.
---michael_e on 11/21/19


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StrongAxe: The whistleblower did not testify before Congress.//

Who decided that? Adam Schiff after he said several times he wanted the Whistleblower to testify.

Schiff keeps moving the goal post.

//Therefore his (or her) comments are hearsay, which is why we need all the other witnesses.//

What?

Hearsay, so you get to choose which statement of the Whistleblower should be believed?

Believe him/her when he states Trump did something wrong, but we don't believe him/her when he said the transcript is factual?

Are you related to Adam Schiff? Is the Whistleblower credible or not?

If he/she is only credible half the time, then WHY are we having this impeachment on a 50% credible Whistleblower?
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/20/19


StrongAxe, like there isn't a dozen blocked people by Adam Schiff?

Why should Trump and 60 million Americans participate on a sham to impeachment based on a Whistleblower's account?

If I accused you of stealing my car, but my lawyer is the only one setting ALL the rules.

You can't bring your lawyer, your solid alibi witness, or ask question.

And the frosting on the cake my lawyer tells you can't confront me or see me.

But you suspected you fired my 2 months earlier. You believe my fake accusation is for revenge.

You wouldn't show up to that kangaroo court either!

Adam Schiff blocked Whistleblower, Hunter Biden and his former long-time business partner, Devon Archer also on the board of Burisma.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/20/19


Nicole_Lacey:

Congress has subpoenaed many Trump insiders to testify, but Trump has instructed them to ignore the subpoenas and not show up. There are now almost a dozen of them.

Whom did Adam Schiff block from testifying? Names please.

The whistleblower did not testify before Congress. Therefore his (or her) comments are hearsay, which is why we need all the other witnesses.

Google: transcript memorandum, and check out qz's article about "Why it's wrong to call the White House Ukraine memo a transcript". Two linguists explain.
Also, the transcript's fine print says it's "not a verbatim transcript of a discussion."
---StrongAxe on 11/20/19


StrongAxe: Everyone who claims Trump is innocent REFUSES to testify under oath. That should tell you something.//

ARE YOU SERIOUS.

What part of Adam Schiff is denying most of the Republican's requested witnesses who will state Trump is innocent UNDER OATH

Adam Schiff NOT ALLOWING them to testify should tell you something.

//There is no "transcript". It is just a memorandum, not a word-for-word transcription of the call.//

According to the Whistleblower it is a transcript and FACTUAL

//Does John 8:7 apply to you when you condemn Obama?//

No. You only wanted to list Trump's sins. I added Obama's sins to balance the score.

Just because Obama's lie was worst isn't my fault.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/19/19


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Obama denounced Jeremiah Wright's controversial statements. .---StrongAxe

Well yeah, but only after Jeremiah Wrights teachings were made public, it was not before. If you remember, Obama also denounced Christmas, by forbidding the government from calling it Christmas. You must admit, that was a strange action for a Christian to take.

Trump embraces Paula White and her teachings, and he put her on WH staff.---StrongAxe

News to me...as of yesterday. And it was very disturbing...very disturbing news for me to read. Very bad judgment on his part, but then again, many Christians are follow a false doctrine.

Just because they are called our leaders, doesnt mean we have to be their followers.
---David on 11/20/19


David:

Obama denounced Jeremiah Wright's controversial statements.

Trump embraces Paula White and her teachings, and he put her on WH staff. She pushes toxic prosperity "gospel" that goes against everything Jesus taught about wealth (you can't love God and Mammon, don't worry about possessions, deny yourself). She implied Jesus "is from Satan".

Told people in Jan. 2018 to send her their January salary or there would be "consequences", and last week to send her $229 for "prophetic instruction" to defeat their enemies.

We're supposed to trust in God to fulfill OUR needs, but she needs US instead to fulfill hers. The Bible warns about wolves in sheep's clothing selling the gospel.
---StrongAxe on 11/19/19


///Like Obama did General Flynn///

YIKES, another mental twist. Flynn is GUILTY and Obama warned Trump about him. Trump thinking anything Obama says thinks is stupid and Trump did just the opposite, STARTED ALL OF THIS. Because Trump thinks he's a know it all, taking no ones advise, is 100% to blame for ALL THIS since his presidency.

More will come out on that that has been sealed ....putting EGG all over Nicole and her like minded cronies.

Interestingly enough FOX actually reported on that early on, and I printed the article as proof to those FOX HOLE foxes who said...OH NO THAT NEVER HAPPENED.
---kathr4453 on 11/19/19


First we had a president who followed Jeremiah Wright...and now one who follows Paula White. Too scary!!
---David on 11/19/19


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Morality and Christianity 101

1) revenge is not self defense...YIKES...Is this what TRUMPISM is teaching Christians today?
2) 1Thesselonians 5:21-22 says "PROVE ALL THINGS" ...
3) They don't deny what was said, they only said extortion and shakedowns are done all the time...(probably under Trump) ( I don't see other Presidents coming to that defense)

//Note Yovanovitch ONLY complained about her FEELINGS//
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/18/19

NOTE: Nicole did not watch, but only listened to Fox News limited distorted rendition of her testimony. Nicole, she clearly noted how his actions indangered foreign policy and other ambassadors / diplomats around the world. This was not "about" her feelings YIKES
---kathr4453 on 11/19/19


Nicole_Lacey:

There are so many lies they can only show some examples.

It's not "because they said it". Each lie is something he said on the record and can be independently corroborated by anyone who looks.

Jesus said "Forgive your enemies" and "Deny yourself and follow me". Trump says "Destroy your enemies". His pastor says "Anyone who tells you to deny yourself is of Satan".

MANY people are testifying to what Trump did, under penalty of perjury. Everyone who claims Trump is innocent REFUSES to testify under oath. That should tell you something.

There is no "transcript". It is just a memorandum, not a word-for-word transcription of the call.
---StrongAxe on 11/18/19


StrongAxe, saying it doesn't mean he lied 13,000+. They only cited 100 of 13,000 and they wrong on 90%.

I can say you hit your wife 13 times a day and gotten 25 people to agree. It is true because I said it?

//He attacks them in REVENGE.//

EXACTLY!

Call it Revenge, but I call it SELF DEFENSE!

//..he attacked both decorated serviceman Alexander Vindman and Ambassador Yovanovitch//

Like Obama did to General Flynn?

Which is worse?

Words or imprisonment?

//because they testified to what happened instead of substantiating his lies.//

Read the transcript!

If they say something not in the transcript they lied!

Note Yovanovitch ONLY complained about her FEELINGS
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/18/19


Those who KNOW HOW the Lord works KNOW those who use their own hateful means to vindicate themselves God will not vindicate. They believe...trust in yourself not in the Lord, wait not on God, but run ahead of God and look like a fool, assuring God will NEVER join Himself or sully Himself with that kind of faithless antics.

But like I said ...only TRUE CHRISTIANITY knows the difference.

If Trump is so bent on protecting himself by his own mafia thug like means....he not only NOT DOING THE WILL OF GOD, but can't even obey the simplest of Christian obedience. God wants NOTHING to do with such people. You might pray for God to protect Trump from himself, as he is his own worse enemy.....that you want to blame on others.
---kathr445 on 11/18/19


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Yes Strongaxe. Then we have, and always will, those totally blind and brainwashed like Nicole, explaining away and normalizing this hideous behavior. So truthfully stated, yes a President can recall and replace at any time, but WHY WAS A SMEAR CAMPAIGN NECESSARY? done by crazy Gullliani at Mr T,s bidding with those two RUSSIAN crime thugs living in Ukraine who moved to America, becoming Trumps bag men going back 15 years, he claimed he didn't know. It's all sickening . This is Nicole's flavor of Christianity....NO THANKS.

What we all know is if the tables were turned and Obama was pulling this garbage, their hair would be on fire.

Hypocricy has always been one of my biggest pet peeves.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/19


Nicole_Lacey:

Washington Post: President Trump has made 13,435 false or misleading claims over 993 days.

Trump doesn't attack poeple FIRST. He attacks them in REVENGE. Most recently, he attacked both decorated serviceman Alexander Vindman and Ambassador Yovanovitch because they testified to what happened instead of substantiating his lies. He never had problems with them before, but now is bad mouthing them left right and center.

Does John 8:7 apply to you when you condemn Obama?

It isn't puffing to ignore all military advisors "because you know better than they do" and launch ill-advised raid that gets innocents killed INCLUDING 9 CHILDREN (but they were already born, so I guess their lives don't matter.)
---StrongAxe on 11/17/19


StrongAxe: Give me ONE NAME Trump attacked first.

The site DOESN'T list the 13000 false statements.

BTW, John 8:7 applies to you as well.

//He constantly claims he's the best at everything, better than anyone else in the world.//

Like all other men I know. It's called puffing.

I rather have small lies than a big lie to hurming everyone

Obama's lie of the century "If you like your doctor you will keep a if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"

And "Health insurance cost will go down by $2500"

But reality was people lost their Doctors and healthcare plan, PLUS didn't see a decrease but an increase by $15,000 to 30,000 or for the lucky one increased by 50%.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/19


kathr4453:

It's not just ambassadors or decorated veterans. He viciously attacks and seeks revenge against ANYONE not personally loyal to him.

His statements have been tracked and verified. Over 13000 misleading or outright false statements during his first 1000 days - over 13 lies PER DAY on average. He constantly claims he's the best at everything, better than anyone else in the world.

He lies so often, he has become delusional, believing his own lies. He makes up things as he goes along, and often contradicts himself just minutes later, because he actually believes there's no objective truth, only what comes out of his mouth. I'm surprised none of his fans take the time to scrutinize his speeches and realize this.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/19


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Kathr: Slandering our dedicated Ambassadors...it's not even funny. Slander is a very serious//

See Jerry?

Kathr, telling the true isn't slander.

Every Ambassador KNOWS when another Party wins their term is finished.

Nice guy Trump didn't remove Yovanovitch until 2019. Obama replaced ALL Ambassadors immediately when he won the presidency.

BTW, even if Trump DID (which he didn't) slander her it's BETTER than watching Ambassador Chris Stevens tortured and killed in real time.

//Trump trying to sabotage democracy//

No, Democrat party as before are trying to overturn an election because they lost fair and square.

Can you say 'Civil War'?

Here's an idea?

Campaign for votes instead.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/17/19


Paula is Trumps spiritual advisor, has filled his head with her false gospel.

Slandering our dedicated Ambassadors is so satanic, it's not even funny. Slander is a very serious SIN to God both in the new and Old Testament , yet we see many hypocrites here who are so centered on the 10 Commandments..( one being thou shall not bear false witness) made it into the TOP TEN, look the other way, and those who don't adhear to the 10 saying they are under Grace....,SURPRISE, Paul has many verses addressing slander....you too look the other way making excuses....also MOCKING GOD. Your two faced stance brings shame to God and Christianity around the world. Not only is Trump trying to sabotage democracy but also Christianity .
---kathr4453 on 11/17/19


If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. -- Jesus of Nazareth (Matthew 16:12, Mark 8:34, Luke 9:23)

Anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan. -- Paula White, 2007.

Paula thus directly implied that Jesus is Satan. One doesn't need to know anything else about her to know that she's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
---StrongAxe on 11/17/19


// What a con, and who's gonna take her to court proving they didn't get their 2 Angels?//

And just how would that be proven in a civil suit?

Or disproven?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 11/16/19


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It was 2000 at Easter, Paula insisted everyone send her $2000, for the "Passover " offering bringing in the year 2000, and promised that everyone who did God would immediately dispatch to them 2 of His Angels. As an Accountant, all I could do was , 1 ) watch my mouth drop to the floor, and 2) calculate the GM of that transaction, 100% she didn't first have to invest in the Angels, and selling GODS ANGELS to boot. What a deal....but watching this on the TBN, people were sending money right and left, believing this garbage, or so they made it look like people were. What a con, and who's gonna take her to court proving they didn't get their 2 Angels? What a scam. Maybe that's what Trump likes...like minded con artists.
---kathr4453 on 11/16/19


Paula White is a "prosperity gospel" preacher. She said that everyone should send her their January salary as a "tithe" to show their faith in God. Of course, WE're expected to rely on God to pay for OUR expenses, but she doesn't trust in God herself - she's expecting US to pay them.
---StrongAxe on 11/16/19


Squarely in front of you are all the CROOKED dishonest liars etc Trump has surrounded himself with. Now we have fallen away apostate Christianity who don't even register this, but makes EXCUSES for, setting a horrible example for the younger generation. Also no Godly man would put a con artist ADULTRESS Paula White on the WH Staff of faith based issues, not even Billy Graham. Trump says she has the "IT FACTOR" we know what Trumps meaning is there. Not a spiritual one. Can you hear Paul saying "WOW LYDIA HAS THE 'IT ' FACTOR" ..YIKES!

Paul warned of SHIPWRECKING your ministry....and those who continue to support Trump will SHIPWRECK theirs. God will not be mocked. God doesn't care how much money you have.
---kathr4453 on 11/16/19


This is what scripture refers to as THE FALLING AWAY. It's exactly as Strongaxe said, a total falling away of the very pure principles and clear teachings of scripture. Lay hands on no man suddenly. Now just SUPPOSE for a moment Billy Graham was alive and wanted to run for president. 1) we've had YEARS OF SCRUTINIZING his life, to see if he's real or a fake. 2) Graham himself would probably say...The Lord has put on my heart to run. Trump doesn't fit that scanerio. His lifetime achievement is lying ,cheating and ADULTRY. He's played Christians ....Christians who have FALLEN AWAY FROM THE FAITH. They don't know they've fallen away, is what is most scary.
---kathr4453 on 11/16/19


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I find it totally unfathomable that Christians, especially Evangelicals actually follow Trump and practically worship him as The Chosen One. Pat Robertson recently said he saw a vision of Trump "at the right hand of the Lord".

What Trump believes, says, and does goes diametrically against almost everything Jesus taught, and he violates most of the Ten Commandments, and not only does that, but boasts about doing it. I actually provided lists of both of these in my previous message, but the moderators decided not to release it.
---StrongAxe on 11/15/19


1 Timothy 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure.

This is not about laying hands so someone can be healed or receive the Holy Spirit, it means BEFORE putting anyone in ministry and( or the Presidency, since Christians feel they are) to THOROUGHLY Check and make sure what kind of man he is....

Christians totally disobeyed God in this verse, and God in no way needs to cover your disobedience or ignorance . And one day when you take the mark of the beast out of not obeying this verse as well, you are going to personally pay those consequences. Those who don't obey the gospel God will send them delusions....ALTERNATIVE FACTS ARE DELUSIONS you are buying into.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/19


Interestingly the Trump administration's signature headline, ALTERNATIVE FACTS coined by KellyAnn Conway, at I'm sure the encouragement of D Trump, since a book of his was written on HOW TO LIE , where even Evanka has quoted from about altering the truth and its effectiveness, have been doing this from the very beginning..OPENLY AND ADMIT TO IT. God is not a liar or the author of confusion brought about by these ALTERNATIVE FACTS aka BLATANT LIES IN YOUR FACE. Fake TIME News covers, and the list goes on and on.

Satan is just greasing you all up for his great day.....with lying signs and wonders.

My prayer is the Lord will open eyes before it's too late, and will bring Christians to their knees who are leading others to hell.
---kath453 on 11/15/19


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