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Salvation In The Church

"Outside the church, there is no salvation."

This is an expression that upsets many people, but it's really true.

What do we find in the Church?

The Word of God and the Sacraments.

These bring us salvation.

Comments, please.

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Every one saved today is a member of the body of Christ, called the church.
I am saved by the body of Christ. Salvation is not found outside the body of Christ. It's impossible to be saved today without being in the body of Christ.
(1 Cor 12:12-13)
---michael_e on 12/19/19


//The church is a spiritual body(Body of Christ) and not a physical place.//

And I never said otherwise.

However, nobody can claim to be the church all by himself. As the saying goes, "Unus Christianus, nullus Christianus."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/18/19


//Outside the church, there is no salvation.//
Absolute truth, The church is a spiritual body(Body of Christ) and not a physical place. A person is made the church by trusting the gospel of Jesus Christ that he died for your sins, and was raised from the dead to provide salvation from both sin and death (Eph 1:13-14).
It's when the faith of Christianity is confused with a religious system that physical objects and places are given status as sacred or holy.
---michael_e on 12/18/19


As the early Christians said, "Nobody can call God his Father or Christ his Savior unless he also calls the Church his mother."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/19

WHO EXACTLY SAID THIS AND WHAT SCRIPTURE MAKES THIS STATEMENT. The Church is Jesus Christ, and is not our mother. The mystery of Christ IN YOU, re THE CHURCH defined in Colossians 1/24-27 make no such nonsensical ststement. Only the RCC/ Orthodox make such statements, pushing your false doctrine you posted here as the question above. They go hand in hand. However salvation is in CHRIST ALONE.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/19


Interestingly enough THE GOSPEL in the Bible says nothing about having a correct understanding about the Trinity or the Holy Spirit having to be exactly as MAN HAD DEFINED ( since Paul or Peter or James or John ) never once touched on that as the heart of our Christial life. However Romans 6-8 do tough on how we are brought to live IN CHRIST and walk IN HIM, and needs no Orthodox or RCC gnats to choke on to carry on as multitudes of wonderful BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS have for the last 2000 years without all that NONSENSE.
---kathr4453 on 12/11/19




//Again, this is choking on a gnat, because this is a hair so small that the ONLY people who are even able to see it without a microscope are theologians.//

StrongAxe, it means everything to Eastern Christians.

I'm really surprised to see you projecting your own feelings onto most Christians.

Just because you find it minor doesn't mean it is.

\\ It has NO EFFECT on how most people live their lives.//

Errors about the Holy Trinity--which is what Filioque is--will have great negative effects in the lives of many.

But I will discuss this matter with you privately.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/19


Cluny:

You wrote: one CANNOT say the Holy Spirit EKPROEIVETE from the Father and the Son without falling into the ancient heresy of Sabellian Modalism, now called "oneness" or mistakenly "apostolic faith."

Again, this is choking on a gnat, because this is a hair so small that the ONLY people who are even able to see it without a microscope are theologians. It has NO EFFECT on how most people live their lives.

Would a person who believes one way feed the poor, while one who believes the other not? Would a person who believes one way lie, while one who believes the other not? THESE are the kinds of things Jesus taught about. How, specifically, does it affect how YOU live?
---StrongAxe on 12/10/19


//Please show any scripture the Eastern Orthodox was the original church?./... //

Orthodox is simply a label we wear to help people find us. (The word means "correct doctrine/glory", btw.)

Our name to OURSELVES is the Church of Christ, which even you must admit is Biblical.

The earthly part of the Orthodox Church is indeed visible.

What you are describing is a fantasy that was never heard of until the 19th century or so.

As the early Christians said, "Nobody can call God his Father or Christ his Savior unless he also calls the Church his mother."

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/10/19


** It split in half over a single word (filoque) in a doctrine so minor and esoteric, most people don't understand it or why it should be important. That word's presence or absence haz zero effect Christians live.**

We've had this conversation before.

To summarize, one CANNOT say the Holy Spirit EKPROEIVETE from the Father and the Son without falling into the ancient heresy of Sabellian Modalism, now called "oneness" or mistakenly "apostolic faith."

And for Eastern Christians, who don't use it, it has EVERYTHING to do with how we live in the Holy Spirit.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/19


Please show any scripture the Eastern Orthodox was the original church? The BOC made without hands was/ is the only Church, does not have an earthly name like Orthodox or Roman Catholic, or Baptist etc. Christ is the head, and only those who have a personal relationship with Christ, those baptized into His death and raised up together with Him, a New Creature who's citizenship is in heaven, not the Middle East or Russia or Greece etc. are members of THIS CHURCH. THE ONLY CHURCH THAT MATTERS. The one Cluny openly scoffs at. The one Cluny blasphemes.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/19




Cluny:

You wrote: Orthodoxy IS the original Church

The original Church had no specific name, It split in half over a single word (filoque) in a doctrine so minor and esoteric, most people don't understand it or why it should be important. That word's presence or absence haz zero effect Christians live. Yet theologicans choked so hard on this gnat, they divided Christ for a millenium. Both sides insist THEY are the original and the other side is wrong.

Self-important theologicans divide Christ - cultic leaders who "discover" some new doctrine that is unimportant or leads to apostasy, or believers who leave a church that teaches abostasy but whose theologians refuse to recognize this.
---StrongAxe on 12/9/19


So this crazy idea that SALVATION under the NC is something the Orthodox decided to put in scripture? That's the most bazaar thing I've ever heard. The NEW CREATION IN CHRIST is what NT SALVATION IS ABOUT. Paul Peters John etc letters Epistles circulated the churches LONG LONG LONG BEFORE anyone chose to bind them together in a book. And it's like saying none of these individual epistles held truth until they were bound together. YIKES
---kathr4453 on 12/9/19


//Is Christ divided? NO HE IS NOT. SO STOP TRYING TO DIVIDE HIM.//

It's those who split from the Orthodox Church who are dividing Christ.

Orthodoxy IS the original Church, not the one you attend, kath.,

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/9/19


My words are spirit and life. These are Gods words. Not orthodox words.

Anyone reading those words can obey and with obedience don't need to say...HAY WE THE ORTHODOX WERE THE FIRST DENOUNCING RACISM.

God denounced racism 2000 years ago, when He broke down the wall between Jew and Gentile making "IN HIM" ( not in the orthodox denomination) ONE NEW MAN, NEITHER JEW OR GENTILE.

Like I said,...SCRIPTURE DENOUNCES RACISM. I proved it posting scripture.

This false belief that Paul was Orthodox ..a denomination is proved in 1st Corinthians 3-4 to be a lie. Is Christ divided? NO HE IS NOT. SO STOP TRYING TO DIVIDE HIM.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/19


\\These verses don't belong to or are they exclusively Orthodox, \\

And just who do you think God used to decide what should be in the Bible?

Hint: it wasn't the church you attend (or perhaps stay away from).

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/6/19


I already did Clunky

These verses don't belong to or are they exclusively Orthodox, but are the WORD OF GOD. Many believe and live by this and don't even need to make a statement as though they created a belief all their own. At the beginning of the Church age, it was well preached there was no difference between Jew and Greek IN CHRIST. Because IN CHRIST you are a NEW CREATURE.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/19
---kathr4453 on 12/6/19


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Ok Clunky, I proved you wrong. I posted the same verses first that Strongaxe did, he adding one in Romans saying the same thing as Galatians and Colossians. So why say I DARE YOU. You see, THIS kind of harassment from Cluny should stop. It serves no purpose here except proving he has issues. He can't read, doesn't understand posts and then makes false accusations...on every single blog...just to get some snarky remark in trying to start a food fight. I'm sure I'm not the only one getting sick of it. And I'm not the only one Cluny makes snarky comments to.
---kathr445 on 12/6/19


Cluny:

The church should be free of racism, sexism, and classism:

Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
---StrongAxe on 12/5/19


\\
So the answer to your question Cluny is the scriptures themselves address racism, bigotry etc. it's a no brainer. \\

Can you be specific about which ones do, kath?

Bet you can't.

I dare you to prove me wrong.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/19


Even in the Gospels Jesus said TAKE, EAT...

1Corinthians 11: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

But take wasn't the question....
---kathr4453 on 12/4/19


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So the answer to your question Cluny is the scriptures themselves address racism, bigotry etc. it's a no brainer.

Yours is like saying, "we are the first Church that has declared it's a sin to rob the poor."

Those IN CHRIST do not see race...we see Christ. It's called the perfect law of Liberty...freely loving others without prejudice.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/19


From what I've been able to observe, it's Protestants who take communion. Other Christians receive it.
---JS1234 on 12/3/19


(Matthew 26:28) for this is My blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Cluny
In taking communion, you drink the Blood of Christ. Jesus said, the drinking of his blood is for the remission of sin.

If you receive remission of sin through communion, why do you confess your sins to a Priest?

My Grandmother was Catholic and I never understood this, and hope you can give me a better understanding.
---David on 12/3/19


These verses don't belong to or are they exclusively Orthodox, but are the WORD OF GOD. Many believe and live by this and don't even need to make a statement as though they created a belief all their own. At the beginning of the Church age, it was well preached there was no difference between Jew and Greek IN CHRIST. Because IN CHRIST you are a NEW CREATURE.


Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
---kathr4453 on 12/3/19


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The Orthodox Church is the first one to declare racism to be not only a sin, but a heresy.

Has your group done that yet, kath?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/2/19


Cluny's question is steeped in a false doctrine the Orthodox or RCC is the only true Church, and one must be in their church and members of their church baptized into their church to be saved. NO SUCH SCRIPTURE Supports this false doctrine.

We are saved BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, not by a church or church building or denomination. The same Gospel preached at Pentecost that saved thousands saves today. The same Gospel Paul preached at Mars Hill outside any church saves today.

The CHURCH is the BOC...not a building.

Cluny hates I post this, but squawk and insult all you want Cluny. Your post question is a LIE. Also sacraments do not save...JESUS SAVES. Sacraments are WORKS. And the word sacraments is not in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 12/2/19


It's true, but remember there are people like Steveng don't believe in 'buildings' known as Churches.

They want to have services in their own home. Plus, they want to even CONTROL God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/29/19

Cluny, no but maybe your inability to read and comprehend others post is the problem. Stop blaming others for your lack of reading. I just replied to Nicole's moronic post. Why did you come back with a moronic reply? Is this a Catholic/Orthodox issue, or is your kidney issues causing urine of the brain? If you want to continue to insult Cluny, EXPECT to get a taste of your own urine? All dirty cats need their nose rubbed into their own mess. Consider yours rubbed into your mess.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/19


\\Orthodox/Catholics thinks an earthly building is a church,\\

kath, why do you say things that have no basis in reality?

Is it your stroke that makes you do this?

\\When the people who are running the church are doing bad things, it's really hard to stay there and good conscience.
---JS1234 on 11/30/19\\

That can be said about any denomination, JS.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/1/19


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Orthodox/Catholics thinks an earthly building is a church, and God gives wood power. YIKES However during the beginning of the CHURCH AGE The Apostles preached without any such building strapped to them, and thousands were saved...the very first day of Pentecost. They were MISSIONARIES who went into all countries and nations without a building strapped to their back....and thousands more were saved. We have missionaries today going into all parts of the world still preaching the word without a building strapped to their back. The CHURCH IS CHRIST AND HIS BODY...made without hands.

Even Abraham had no building made with hands yet had faith and is the father of our faith.

Sorry Orthodox/Catholics, WRONG AGAIN.
---kathr4453 on 12/1/19


When the people who are running the church are doing bad things, it's really hard to stay there and good conscience.
---JS1234 on 11/30/19


Psalm 127:1 - Except the Lord build the house, They labour in vain to build it: Except the Lord keep the city, The watchman waketh but in vain.
---RichardC on 11/29/19


It's true, but remember there are people like Steveng don't believe in 'buildings' known as Churches.

They want to have services in their own home. Plus, they want to even CONTROL God.
---Nicole_Lacey on 11/29/19


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