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What Is Your Truth

There are many doctrines, but there is only one Truth. What brought you to your doctrine? And what makes you believe your doctrine is the Truth, and all the rest are lies?

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 ---David on 1/7/20
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David, yes let's begin at the beginning.


Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Galatians 3:12. The law is not if faith.
Habakkuk 2:4 The just shall live by faith.

By Faith Abel
By Faith Enoch
By Faith Noah
By Faith Abraham
By Faith Moses
By Faith , By Faith By Faith
---Linda on 5/30/20


Kathryn
When you love someone it translates into deeds. Say an elderly neighbor on a fixed income, who cannot afford to pay someone, needs her grass cut. You cut it for her.

Why did you do it?
Not for money, because she didnt pay you. You did it out of the goodness of your heart, a command God had placed there, to love your neighbor.

These are the acts, deeds, good works,..which brings us Gods blessings. The most important, living Eternally with God. The next command God writes on your heart, do it, and see what blessing God has for you.

(Romans 2) ....to every man according to his deeds to those who by patient continuance in welldoing seek for glory and honor and immortality...eternal life!!
---David on 5/30/20


The law applies to our sinful FLESH. GRACE applies to out NEW MAN IN CHRIST, where we are no longer in the flesh but in the spirit. 2Corinthians 5:16 and Romans 8:9.

God no longer sees those SAVED in the flesh, nor are we positionaly still in our sinful flesh once we are born of the spirit. We are crucified with Christ where our flesh was crucified with Christ...Galatians 5:22-25, Romans 6:1-18.

Why is this so hard to understand. It's explained so simply in scripture....even Colossians 2 reiterate. 1 Cor 15 again more fully explains. Yet you guys harp on two verses pulled out of context and ignore all the rest...WHY

And in heaven ETERNAL, we are NOT IN THE FLESH.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/20


What part do you disagree with Linda? Notice I start from the beginning of Pauls teachings, not the middle.

(Romans 2:6-8) God who will render to every man according to his deeds to those who by patient continuance in welldoing seek for glory and honor and immortality...eternal life, but unto those who are contentious, and do not obey the truth but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,...

Who will be justified?
(Romans 2:13) For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

If you start at the beginning of a teaching, (Romans 2), you will discover, the middle (Romans 5) will be easier to understand.
---David on 5/28/20


here is the complete verse not just NOT UNDER THE LAW BUT UNDER GRACE.
the Law of God defines sin
romans 6:14-15 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? SHALL WE SIN BEC. WE ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW BUT UNDER GRACE GOD FORBID!
romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
but pastors are always preaching malachi 3:10. I thought we ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW...hypocrite
---mike on 5/28/20




mike:

You wrote: strongaxe sabbatarians did NOT say that. the bible said it.

Please show me EXACTLY where in the Bible (chapter and verse) where it says "Thou shalt worship on the Sabbath only" or "Thou shalt not worship on any day other than the Sabbath".

AGAIN, I do NOT judge sabbatarians for worshiping on the Sabbath. They are free to worship whenever they please. I object to those who judge others based on what day they worship. I know that this isn't all of them, e.g. Samuelbb7 isn't one.

AGAIN, Please tell me what YOU think Paul meant in Colossians 2:16 and Romans 14:5.
---StrongAxe on 5/28/20


Mike, there's no sun or moon in the new heaven and earth. How will the sabbath be kept? Rev 21:23, Rev 22:5. The shadow of things TO COME is the restoration of the kingdom to Israel, the one Peter asked about in Acts 1:6-7. Yes when that happens during the 1000 years, KINGDOM LAW will be in effect. But we're not there yet, and the Church is NOT ISRAEL, nor are we under KINGDOM LAW. Jesus will have returned to earth setting up His kingdom, before all is then delivered up to the Father 1 Corinthians 15.

Great verses Linda. Paul didn't start the doctrine of justification by faith, God did all the way back to Abel, as Hebrews 11 show us. Heb 11 not once mention law keeping as a condition of faith or vice versa as David insists.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/20


strongaxe
the 1st sabbatarian is God the Creator & Redeemer not a sabbath OBEYING denomination.
---mike on 5/29/20


strongaxe sabbatarians did NOT say that. the bible said it. you keep judging sabbatarians when God made it holy, sanctified it, even Paul preached the gospel on the sabbath. christ read the scriptures on the sabbath. you are the one who is lawless when you keep saying NO MORE sabbath when it says that AFTER christ return & new heaven & earth followers will keep the sabbath for eternity. not sabbatarians but Word of God.
---mike on 5/28/20


****If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and His love is perfected in us.****

IF I get in my car and drive to the store and buy eggs , I am a consumer and contributing to commerce.

These are statement restating a FACT not a condition of IF YOU WILL THEN I WILL.

That verse does not say IF WE WILL LOVE ONE ANOTHER "THEN AND ONLY THEN" WILL GOD DWELL IN US AND PERFECT HIS LOVE IN US.

If I break my arm the Dr will put it into a cast and assure it will heal safely.

PLEASE LEARN HOW TO READ.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/20




What part of this do you disagree with David? The only condition I see here is this is to those justified by faith.

Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience,

4 And patience, experience, and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
---Linda on 5/28/20


"The Grace for Grace" in John 1 is not saying God will give you Grace in exchange for your grace. David just made that up without any other scripture to back up.---kathr4453 on 5/25/20

I made it up? Okay..more proof, proof which resonates throughout the New Testament.

Jesus summed up the New Covenant in two Laws. One is to Love God, the other, to love your neighbor.
Will God save you, if you do not keep these commandments?

Here is more evidence of Grace for Grace...Please note In the verse, the word...IF, a condition set by God.
(1 John 4:12) If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and His love is perfected in us.

Did John make this up too?
---David on 5/28/20


Hebrews 4:1-3
Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. ...

This TRUTH shows the works of Creation the 7th day pointed to Jesus Death and resurrection. Only the Holy Spirit can enlighten you here. Only those who have ENTERED HIS REST understand that entering HIS REST is salvation.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/20


mike:

No, I don't. Sabbatarians say "You MUST worship on Saturday, because worshiping on any other day is blasphemous". No, it isn't. NOWHERE in the Bible is there a commandment "On one day shalt thou worship, and thou art forbidden to worship on any other day". Also, nothwere in the Bible does it say that "keeping one day holy" has anything to do with worship.

I have no problem with people who choose to worship on Sunday, or Saturday, or Wednesday, or every day. The only ones I have a problem with those who tell everyone else "Our way of worship is right, and yours is wrong". Sadly, all too many Sabbatarians fit into that category.

How do YOU interpret what Paul said there?
---StrongAxe on 5/28/20


Unfortunately, many Sabbatarians try to guilt others who don't esteem Saturday above other days.
you are the one complaining about sabbatarians who DON't esteem a day.
I violate the scripture when you say 'which makes all those commandments unnecessary.'
you are the one judging those WHO KEEP the sabbath & use col 2:16. the jews in present day turkey were judged/accused for keeping the Commandments of God, judged for keeping feasts. Paul NEVER changed the sabbath to ANY day. God spoke to REMEMBER his REST after the day of creation. you are obeying man it says ONE MAN esteemeth one day - MAN defines NOT God.
---mike on 5/27/20


This is what God has given us. Hopefully those who understand scripture know this doesn't mean wood bleeds.


Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself, by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
---kathr4453 on 5/26/20


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Grace is not the cross. The cross is the wood used to crucify Christ. that is so simple. Grace is something only the Lord is capable of giving to the sinner.
---ven. on 5/26/20


Grace is THE CROSS.---kathr4453

The Best way to understand a word is to see how it is used throughout the Bible. Lets see which of our definitions of Grace best fits the use in the verse below.
(Genesis 6:8).
But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Did Noah find, The Cross, in the eyes of the Lord, or did Noah find, Favor, in the eyes of the Lord?
The sacrifice of Jesus Christ afforded us with, a way, to have a relationship with God, by removing the sin which separated us. (Isiah 59:2)

Through this relationship, those who find themselves in the favor of God, like Noah, they will be saved. Peter uses the same example of Grace in (2 Peter 2:4-5).
---David on 5/25/20


"The Grace for Grace" in John 1 is not saying God will give you Grace in exchange for your grace. David just made that up without any other scripture to back up. Romans 5 also say where sin abounds GRACE MUCH MORE ABOUNDS. Some Bibles say GRACE UPON GRACE, which would back up Romans 5.

BUT AGAIN...the NT GRACE is refering to SALVATION. No amount of your grace can save you.


Titus 2:11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/20


1 John, "we love Him because He first loved us". Romans 5 also state the Love of God is shed abroad in our heart by the Holy Spirit. John 3:16....FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD HE GAVE....

We are told of Gods love for all sinners through His Word. God took the initiative to call out to Adam and Eve after they sinned. Gods love made a way for man back to Him through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. No one can come to the Father except through His Son.

The Gospel of Grace vs Law is shown in Romans 10. I think it's beneficial to start with verse 1.

Grace is THE CROSS. There is no salvation of Grace apart from THE CROSS. Read Ephesians 1,2,3,4,5 and 6 very carefully and slowly. It's an amazing letter.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/20


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To say only LOVE is commanded in the NC and is easier to keep makes no sense.---kathr4453

(John 1:16) And of His fullness have we all received, and grace for grace.

The Lords commandments are to act out of Grace, the same Grace God has shown us. Forgiveness of trespasses against us, Feeding the hungry, Providing shelter to the homeless, Giving clothing to someone who needs clothes...etc.

God hates sin...so when we are tempted to sin, and we dont, this is a display of Grace towards God. And through our Grace we shall receive Gods Grace. Perfect Example of Grace for Grace,...When we forgive others...God forgives us. When we Love others...God loves us (John 14:21).
---David on 5/24/20


Deuteronomy 6:5
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Jesus reiterates this again in matthew. To say only LOVE is commanded in the NC and is easier to keep makes no sense. We See many OT Saints as Job for instance, Noah, who LOVED GOD way before any NC came into being.

The difference between the NC AND OC is under the old blessings were based on IF YOU WILL THEN I WILL.
Under the NC the promises are I WILL. it's an unconditional covenant. Hebrews 13:20-21. Ezekiel 36. 2Cor 3. Just to name a few places reiterating this fact.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/20


mike:

Note the scripture I quoted does not use the words "holy", "sanctified", or "blessed" at all. You read things into scripture that are not there. What do YOU think that passage means?

Here is another: Colossians 2:16-17:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ.


All of those ritual laws applied to those subject to the Law of Moses, not to those who are in Christ. We are not under the Law.

You VIOLATE SCRIPTURE if you judge me on how I treat the Sabbath, and I violate scripture if I let you do so.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/20


StrongAxe
There are many people who teach Paul, but they teach without a foundation in the Gospel. Without a foundation, you can mold it to say whatever you want.

In (John 1:16), we find the foundation for Pauls teaching, We are not under the Law, we are under Grace.
(John 1:16)
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.


Paul is referring to the Law of Moses, as THE Law. Or In other words, Paul is saying, God got rid of the Old Covenant for a New Covenant. The TERMS of being in a covenant with God, is what CHANGED. From The Law of Moses...no man could keep...to The Law of Christ...a law based on Love, a law when done out of Love, anyone can keep.
---David on 5/23/20


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Mike, Strongaxe was quoting scripture Paul wrote to CHRISTIANS. Paul was not addressing the pagan world.

In the OT no one was HOLY AS HE IS HOLY. 1Peter 1:14. The law addressed sinful man ...and a DAY was considered HOLY.

TODAY those IN CHRIST ARE HOLY, because we are IN THE HOLY ONE. We ENTER INTO HIS REST, Hebrews 3-4 aka entering IN CHRIST, so now we are called to be Holy as He is Holy.

Why is this do hard to understand. Paul did not write Hebrews or Peter? So we have MORE witnesses here stating the SABBATH is not a day, but a LIFE. read Hebrews 10. And James never says we must keep the sabbath. Job never kept any sabbath.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/20


David teaches you have to do something to earn Gods love...his use of John 14:21. Then says those who have first earned Gods love then are showered with His Grace. ...whereby then we are saved ...WRONG.

Not even the Law makes such a statement. Also this same John wrote 1 John 4:19 still doesn't teach what David teaches.

You cannot earn Gods love. John 14 Jesus is speaking to his disciples who already showed their faith in Jesus first.

Now John 6 where Jesus states those who eat his flesh and drink his blood WILL BE RAISED UP .AKA RESURRECTED . That is what salvation is. Hebrews 6 shows one can taste of the Spirit of God and still reject Him. Heb 10 say one can insult the SPIRIT IF GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 5/22/20


strongaxe
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
so you are saying that sinful man can make a day holy, sinful man can say that monday, then tuesday, then wed is holy, sanctified, blessed & God should rest on the days man 'esteemeth' a certain day over another? only God can make a day Holy not man.
---mike on 5/22/20


Unfortunately, many Sabbatarians try to guilt others who don't esteem Saturday above other days.

continue the verse strongaxe...
here is the continuation
romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord, and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks, and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
who are you to make a day holy? see you are not an adult you are twisting the scriptures to fit to your doctrine. you are now committing disobedience & teaching others to disobey...we obey because we ARE SAVED not being immature.
---mike on 5/22/20


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I too disagree with how Paul is taught. Since many cherry pick certain verses to put away the law. Paul upholds the law and states it is still to be followed. Romans 3 & 6 What Paul opposes is that the law saves us. The law is like a stop sign. It says don't do this. Those who walk in love keep the Commandments of GOD. Titus. The words of Jesus and the words of Paul when taken in context agree. It is those who say the law is done away with who fail to read what Paul is saying.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/22/20


Because if Paul taught what they say he is teaching, his teachings are from the Anti-Christ. A teaching from the Anti-Christ is opposed to, or the opposite of everything Christ taught.

david aka cluny you taught that christ broke the Law of God...so you are antichrist
antichrist also mean 'another christ'.
---mike on 5/22/20


David:

Instead of answering what YOU think Paul's words mean, you answered that you don't agree with "how Paul is taught". Taught by whom, exactly? Obviously not by those to taught you, because you do agree with THEM.

Please be specific about just what "is taught" about Paul that you disagree with. And please, do clarify what YOU think Paul's "we are not under the law" actually means.

The Bible specifically defines "Antichrist" in 1 John 2:22 (denies the Father and the Son), 4:3 and 2 John 1:7 (confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh) - opposing Jesus' existence, not his teachings.

When one makes assumptions about what others believe, one often assumes incorrectly.
---StrongAxe on 5/22/20


What do YOU think Paul's words "We are not under the law" mean, and do you disagree with them, and if so, why?---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
No I do not disagree with Paul, I disagree with the way Paul is taught.
Why?
Because if Paul taught what they say he is teaching, his teachings are from the Anti-Christ. A teaching from the Anti-Christ is opposed to, or the opposite of everything Christ taught.

Why didn't other Bible authors quote Paul? Because Paul wrote his words decades after Jesus was alive, and fewer people had heard Paul's.-StrongAxe

Many believe Paul gave us a different doctrine than the one Christ left us with. I thought you were one of those believers.
---David on 5/22/20


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David uses the Calvinism definition of GRACE. With that faulty definition David then promotes a faulty definition of the Law. By Grace we are saved through FAITH . Please see Paul's definition of GRACE IN EPHESIANS 2:1-10. PAUL is telling us those crucified together with Christ are saved by GRACE. GRACE IN THE NT IS THE CROSS. Galatians 2:20-21 also reiterate. Nothing about God's unmerited favor. God does not snatch anyone unaware and crucify them with Christ against their will. We are to OBEY Romans 16:25-27 which is this mystery.

This is the Gospel David Rejects.
---kathr4453 on 5/21/20


David:

I didn't say Paul's words are MORE important than those of Jesus. However, any Christian who acknowledges the Bible as the Word of God (rather than just cherry picking those parts that he happens to like) has to acknowledge that BOTH Jesus' and Paul's words in the Bible, and that BOTH of them are the Word of God.

Why didn't other Bible authors quote Paul? Because Paul wrote his words decades after Jesus was alive, and fewer people had heard Paul's.

Again, What do YOU think Paul's words "We are not under the law" mean, and do you disagree with them, and if so, why?
---StrongAxe on 5/21/20


It's the truth of the Bible.
---Tony on 5/21/20


Mike quoted Paul's SPECIFIC words "we are not under the law but under grace". What do YOU think they mean?---StrongAxe on 5/18/20

StrongAxe
Grace is the favor of God, favor bestowed on those he loves. Jesus taught how we garner his love in (John 14:21). Paul taught about, that Grace, you do not.

If Pauls epistles are more important than the Lords Gospel, why didnt anyone else quote Paul in the Bible?
---David on 5/21/20


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David also did what the Pharisees did. ADD TO restrictions that were never stated, but using picking up sticks to use as a ruler to apply to anything the Pharisees wanted, where it got completely out of control.

Now it was stated one was not to cook on the sabbath. But no where did Jesus or the disciples cook the corn.

And no scripture says eating was forbidden.

If you can find a more specific verse David, please do. But please don't do as the Pharisees did....MAKE UP MORE LAWS NEVER STATED.
---kat453 on 5/20/20


Jesus never broke the Sabbath...Kathr

As seen in the comparative below, you can see the Lord and his disciples did break Sabbath Law,....as it was prescribed by God. We all know Jesus never sinned, but he broke Sabbath Law. This brings us to conclude...what?

(Matthew 12:1) Jesus went on the Sabbath day through the corn, and His disciples were hungry and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

(Numbers 15:32-36) And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man who gathered sticks upon the Sabbath day..........And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death. All the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.
---David on 5/20/20


mike:

Individual commandments are needed for those who don't understand how things work. You tell children not to run into traffic, or stick forks into outlets, or touch hot stoves, or drink bleach. Adults know better, without needing to be told.

Immature people who don't consider others NEED to be told not to steal, but Christians who truly love their neighbor won't even CONSIDER stealing, because they KNOW it's intrinsically wrong without needing to be told.

Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Unfortunately, many Sabbatarians try to guilt others who don't esteem Saturday above other days.
---StrongAxe on 5/20/20


What it means Mike is shown clearly in Galatians 5:22-27. Why is it so hard to understand. Grace in the NT is CHRIST IN YOU, via being crucified with Christ..also stated in Galatians 2:20-21. Now with Christ in you, the Holy Spirit brings forth fruit ..the fruit of the spirit, where keeping the law never could...Romans 7.

Walking in the spirit brings forth fruit
Walking in the flesh under the law, brings forth death, because no one can perfectly keep the law. It shows us how weak we are and that it's impossible to keep. That's why THE LAW is a schoolmaster bringing us to Christ, where we now live by faith IN CHRIST...GAL 2:20-21. The law IS NOT OF FAITH.
---kathr4453 on 5/20/20


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Grace gives one principle: Love your neighbor as your self, which makes all those commandments unnecessary - you'll do them, and WANT to do them, without needing to be told.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/20

what does this statement mean? 'which makes all those commandments unnecessary.
in other words commandments are NOT needed.
if I hear that from a priest or pastor then stealing is ok? how can a person do something when nobody has preached the commandments.before i was told that keeping the 7th day is done away with. but when I heard the truth, I believed that 7th day is GOD's holy day.
---mike on 5/19/20


The NC came into effect when Jesus rose from the dead, 10 days after He ascended, AKA PENTECOST. Jesus was born under the Law, kept the law perfectly while on earth. It was the Jews who ADDED to the Sabbath. Jesus never broke the Sabbath. Jesus was not in submission to the ADDED restrictions of the Sabbath that HUMANS concocted. The whole point that Jesus was making to the Pharisees is they ADDED to the law, making it so unrecognized that all they could see were rules and not Christ in those laws.

Everything about the law pointed to Jesus Christ. But LEGALISTS will never see this until they are saved. That's the whole point of the Pharisees crucifying Jesus. They were totally blinded by their LAW even to today. *Heb 10
---kathr4453 on 5/19/20


David, of course there is many in the Bible who were not saved. Just about everyone. Only the elect were save. Even today, only the elect will be save. Many have not been born yet. It has nothing to do with the law. God knows who they are for He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.
---ven. on 5/18/20


mike:

I am NOT preaching a license to sin! I NEVER said "go steal". I said if you love your neighbor, you will ALREADY NOT STEAL without needing to be told "don't steal".

If you love your neighbor, you don't NEED to be told not to lie, cheat, steal, or kill. "Don't do this! Don't do that!" are necessary for children who don't understand deeper principles. Adults no longer need them. You tell children to look both ways before crossing the street, and not to put forks in electrical outlets. Adults automatically know better.

I can't speak for pastors. Tithes were to support the tribe of Levi, who were forbidden to own land. That does not apply to us, as we have no Levites maintaining the temple.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/20


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David, Jesus never broke any laws. How could He break His own law? He gave the law. You are saying that He tells us not to sin, and He turns around and sins Himself. What nonsense are you teaching? He was and still is without sin, perfect.
---ven. on 5/18/20


Grace gives one principle: Love your neighbor as your self, which makes all those commandments unnecessary - you'll do them, and WANT to do them, without needing to be told.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/20

1st of all how can you have grace if you did not break any law?
2nd keeping the commandments IS LOVE. not murdering, stealing, false witness is LOVE.
3rd john 14:15, 1 john 5:3 - if you love me keep my commandments.
4th strongaxe is preaching license to sin. when a murderer ask for pardon from a judge & the judge pardons him will that murderer continue to murder? of course NOT.
5th why is it when it comes to money pastors preach the law of malachi? that's hypocrisy.
---mike on 5/18/20


David:

You asked: Mike So you believe have been given immunity, a license to sin.

Mike quoted Paul's SPECIFIC words "we are not under the law but under grace". What do YOU think they mean?

Paul dismissed your incorrect conclusion in Romans 6:1-2:
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid! How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

The law gives many specific commandments: Don't steal! Don't murder! Don't covet! Don't commit perjury!

Grace gives one principle: Love your neighbor as your self, which makes all those commandments unnecessary - you'll do them, and WANT to do them, without needing to be told.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/20


Mike, you are correct, Jesus never broke the Law (sabbath).---ven. on 5/16/20

Ven
The Sabbath was a law under the Old Covenant. And Jesus definitely broke that Law,.... but Jesus came with a New Covenant, which voided many of the Laws of Moses. The mere fact Jesus and his followers did what was not allowed under Sabbath Law, underscores this point.

There are many folks listed in the bible who will not go to heaven, The Liars...the Adulterous, the Thieves, and the murders. But in the New Testament there is not one Sabbath breaker mentioned, and yet some folks like to make the claim people who dont observe the Sabbath Law...on what ever day that may be,...will go to hell.
---David on 5/18/20


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First I believe that as a Christian a member of the Seventh day Adventist church we teach the truth.

But we share many truths with many other denominations. So I support those truths we agree on not just ours. I also accept that we can disagree and still be Christians.

God is love.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/17/20


Therefore, to be "under the law" means to be "under the condemnation of the law. The apostle Paul says that we are "not under law but under grace"---mike

Mike
So you believe have been given immunity, a license to sin.
For example, If you own a gun, without a license, you are under the condemnation of the Law, But if you have a license, there is no condemnation. Mike, Grace...does not give a believer a license to sin.

(Jude1:4) For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.
---David on 5/17/20


Mike, you are correct, Jesus never broke the Law (sabbath).
Many claim He did. He was perfect. kept all the laws.
The law is for all of us to condemn us, so we can see our sin. Break one you have broken all of them. And every one of us have broken them all. so no one of us are perfect.
---ven. on 5/16/20


What does it mean to be "under the law"? The apostle Paul says that we are "not under law but under grace" (Romans 6:14). "Sin is the transgression of the law" (I John 3:4, KJV), and every human being who has ever livedexcept Jesus Christ
has sinned (Romans 3:23). Once the knowledge of the law comes, there is no excuse, and the law condemns all who break it to eternal death. Paul personifies the law as the instrument that points the finger of condemnation at each of us: "I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died" (Romans 7:9). Therefore, to be "under the law" means to be "under the condemnation of the law.
---mike on 5/16/20


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Jerry
Sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4)
Jesus was perfect, without sin, and yet He broke the Law of the Sabbath in (Matthew 12). How could Jesus, our Lord, our example,......be perfect, without sin, if we under the Law of the Sabbath?
---David on 5/16/20
keeping the sabbath is NOT under the law it is called obedience. if christ broke the law of the sabbath, then christ is not perfect lamb of God. under the law means? for all have sinned (transgress or disobeyed the Law of God) for the wages of sin is DEATH. we deserve punishment for sin. you don't know what under the law means
---mike on 5/16/20


David: "I Dont agree with Saturday sabbath"
Then you don't agree with the Bible, or Jesus and the Apostles. Sunday sacredness came well after the apostolic period.---jerry6593 on 4/21/20


Jerry
Sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4)
Jesus was perfect, without sin, and yet He broke the Law of the Sabbath in (Matthew 12). How could Jesus, our Lord, our example,......be perfect, without sin, if we under the Law of the Sabbath?
---David on 5/16/20


David: You asked a question, "what must I do to Be saved?"
Answer: You must believe,
John 6:28 29:
"Then they said to Him, "What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?"
"Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent."

People need to hear the Word of God, but salvation is up to God. Why? because Gods Word says: "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."
---ven. on 5/14/20


David: "I Dont agree with Saturday sabbath"

Then you don't agree with the Bible, or Jesus and the Apostles. Sunday sacredness came well after the apostolic period.


Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to THIS WORD, it is because there is NO LIGHT in them.


---jerry6593 on 4/21/20


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reuben said, "If you are saying that scripture is all you need, then pls give me scripture verses on:
---john9346 on 4/19/20


reuben said, "If you are saying that scripture is all you need, then pls give me scripture verses on:
---john9346 on 4/19/20


the Law of God is TRUTH. God & His Law is truth. God wrote His Law because it is TRUTH. when you obey & keep God's Law you are led by the Spirit of God. the spirit of God will never lead you to disobey His Law.
---mike on 4/15/20


Jesus is "the truth", He says in John 14:6

And John says "the Spirit is truth", in 1 John 5:6.

Also, we have that Jesus is "the Word" > John 1:1. I understand this means Jesus is all which God's word means, in Personal Form. And the real truth is how God has us becoming like Jesus and living the way God means by His word.

So, the truth is not only about ideas and explanations. But we seek the true reality of how Jesus in us has us becoming and loving and pleasing to our Father.
---Bill on 3/14/20


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2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, AKA GOD BREATHED) and is profitable for doctrine,

This says it all for me, and will rebuke anyone who claims their doctrine comes apart from Scripture.
---kathr4453 on 1/9/2

Let's see:

If you are saying that scripture is all you need, then pls give me scripture verses on:

The major beliefs of Christianity like the Trinity is not explicitly stated in scripture.

Same also for the two natures and wills of Christ.

The hypostatic union and the canon of scripture to name a few.
---Ruben on 1/21/20


Other denominations have many doctrines I agree with. Some I don't agree with. So not all the rest are lies. Just some are mistaken.---Samuelbb7

Samuel
An untruth is still a lie. But just so you know, I do not call those who teach such things, Liars. Because they teach them, believing it to be the Truth.

If Folks looked at those who teach false doctrines, as merely ignorant of the Truth, instead of seeing them as Liars, we would probably begin to see each other as one family, and discover the Truth together.
---David on 1/20/20


Hello David. I take people to the Bible and show them where the jailer asked the question. Then I take them to John 3. Then to I Corithiahns 15.

Then to Ephesians 2 and Titus.

Other denominations have many doctrines I agree with. Some I don't agree with. So not all the rest are lies. Just some are mistaken.

GOD be with you and yours.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/20


At first, I chose not to post at this blog because of your namesake (how silly of me), but there is deeper truth to scripture that remains unknown.

House of DAVID is not favored by the Lord (read Isaiah).....this is not taught.



Exo 19:3..Thus shalt thou say to the house of JACOB, and tell the children of Israel,

Luk 1:33 And he shall reign over the house of JACOB for ever, and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

The House of JACOB shall repossess their rightful inheritance.

Oba 1:17 and the house of JACOB shall possess their own possessions

Heb 13:20 by the blood of the eternal covenant,

Heb 9:15 Therefore he is mediator of a NEW covenant...the promised ETERNAL inheritance,
---faithforfaith on 1/17/20


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I am a Christian a member of the SDA church because what I read in the bible matches what we teach.---Samuelbb7

Samuel
To be honest, Doug Batchelor is the only TV preacher I can stand. One day I will have to attend one of your churches, and ask my own questions.

I Dont agree with Saturday sabbath, but outside of that, I cant think of anything you have said, I disagree with. My biggest issue, the issue that keeps me from attending Church, is the salvation teachings which are being taught.

If someone asks, What must I do to be saved, What direction do you give them?
---David on 1/16/20


Well I was not a Christian or raised in a Christian manner. My Methodist Grandmother tried.

I was an agnostic. I used to make fun of Christians and ask them questions they never tried to answer. Till I meet some Seventh day Adventist Christians. They answered my questions told me to read and trust the Bible. That was over 40 years ago. I am a Christian a member of the SDA church because what I read in the bible matches what we teach.

AGape
---Samuelbb7 on 1/15/20


And the Bible and Holy Spirit tell me you've been listening to an impostor.---Cluny

BCV?
---David on 1/11/20


//To reiterate, I said, Mine was not taught to me by man, or through reading the Bible, though everything I have been taught by the Holy Spirit, is in the Bible.//

And the Bible and Holy Spirit tell me you've been listening to an impostor.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/20


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I'll bet you think you're a wit, David. You could be half-right at that.
---Cluny


Ahh...words of wisdom from the Mature Christian.

You simply cannot make up doctrine you claim you get privately apart from Scripture.
---kathr4453


Where did I say I my doctrine opposed scripture? To reiterate, I said, Mine was not taught to me by man, or through reading the Bible, though everything I have been taught by the Holy Spirit, is in the Bible.
---David on 1/10/20


2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, AKA GOD BREATHED) and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

This says it all for me, and will rebuke anyone who claims their doctrine comes apart from Scripture. The scripture itself shows you to be a fake. So according to this verse alone, please stand CORRECTED DAVID. You simply cannot make up doctrine you claim you get privately apart from Scripture. This is how we separate the CULTS from the real thing.
---kathr4453 on 1/9/20


//I will leave that to you and your Priesthood.//

I'll bet you think you're a wit, David.

You could be half-right at that.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/9/20


Quid est veritas?
---JS1234 on 1/9/20


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That's how I found the truth.---Cluny

Well then...I will leave that to you and your Priesthood. Jesus is the only Priest I need.
---David on 1/9/20


//Mine was not taught to me by man, or through reading the Bible, though everything I have been taught by the Holy Spirit, is in the Bible. //

That's how I found the truth.

You obviously have been listening to an impostor, David, because it disagrees with me.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/8/20


"All the rest are lies" is an oversimplification---Cluny
What do you call the opposite of theTruth? I have always believed it to be a lie.

The real question, David, is what makes you think that YOU have the truth?---Cluny
Mine was not taught to me by man, or through reading the Bible, though everything I have been taught by the Holy Spirit, is in the Bible.

Those who follow false doctrines are taught the Bible by the teachers of that doctrine, and not by Gods Holy Spirit. Now you may believe your teachers are taught by the Holy Spirit, but if that is true, why must they go to school..seminarys, to learn the doctrines they teach?
---David on 1/8/20


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