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Should the Democrats and the Mainstream Media be considered traitors for siding with our enemy Iran and opposing America?

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KATHR. The FACT remains that only 2 Dixiecrats moved to REPS.
That means the great majority of racist Dixiecrats REMAINED with the racist DEMS.

Another fact is that its the Progressive Left who have been resorting to hateful lies over the past 30 years to further their political aspirations.
The Progressive Left are liars who rely on hateful denigration of others instead of rational and respectful debate .
---Haz27 on 1/29/20


Nicole thinks any Democrat who is black is on the plantation. Northern Blacks were never on a plantation. Do Northern Black Dems say this to Northern Black Republicans? Or is this just a southern BLACK thing? I don't put much into geographical issues. It's just local prejudice.

Just remember Nicole YOU TOOK A HANDOUT aka Socialism, for your college education from Republicans as an experiment. If it was because you were black or poor, it was still a handout. You got a leg up many of your black/poor neighbor's and family did not get. That's what makes you a hypocrite. Actually I find many republicans HYPOCRITS taking handouts and government handouts all the while screaming against socialism. It makes my blood boil.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/20


Kathr: haz27, Is Nicole saying Dems are racists, OR was she saying Black Dems makes slures at her for being a republican?//

Both.

//Certainly white republicans don't have an issue with her walking off the plantation. Or do they?//

Ironic that you just wrote that statement.

//Nicole loves playing the victim. It's a black on black thingy.//

No Kathr, Democrats are mad because I WON'T play the victim.

I can take care of myself. That's the problem with the Democrats.

I don't need the Government to take care of me.

No Black Democrats or Republicans have ever accused Stacey Abrams of walking off any plantation.//

???

Because she hasn't. She is a Democrat.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/29/20


AXE. Its YOU Leftists who have been spewing hateful abuse over the past 30+ years of your oppressive PC tyranny.

Its YOU Leftists who have been playing the victim card as political propaganda for the past 30+ years.

And when someone like Trump stands up to you deceitful bullies, you double down on your hate.

This has rightly been described as Trump Derangement Syndrome.

Ive been calling out your psychological projections here on CN, and you clearly are rattled by this being exposed.

Yuri Bezmanov was correct on his warnings about how effective the far Lefts brainwashing is.
---Haz27 on 1/29/20


Haz27. I simply asked you to reread Nicole's post, showing YOU took her words and twisted in YOUR hate. I'm 70 and have lived all over this country and learned firsthand who and what and where many of these issues began, what is geographical and what is LEARNED hatred. My parents were extreme opposites politically and that the parent who was EXTREMELY racist was republican and had always been republican. Because I lived with two extremes, I was not brainwashed by either, but gave me the opportunity of growing up forming my own opinions.

You continually reject the FACT that the DIXIECRATS were actually Southern Republicans and totally different than Northern Democrats who moved over to the Republican Party.
---kathr4453 on 1/29/20




Haz27:

You wrote: KATHR. Your politically driven hate is blinding you to reality, again.

It is YOU who spew hatred and insult against the left and me, and everyone here who disagrees with you in every single message you post here.

Its Leftists who always play the victim.

It is YOU who are always playing the victim by whining about how the left controls the media.

You REALLY REALLY REALLY need to look at yourself in a mirror. Jesus said to remove the plank from your own eye before criticizing the speck in your neighbor's.

Talk about itching ears! You are so ready to hear ANYTHING AT ALL that vilifies the left, even without evidence.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/20


KATHR. Your politically driven hate is blinding you to reality, again.

Its Leftists who always play the victim.
And the Leftist DEMS have always been racists, ever since their KKK days.
Leftists are liars and haters.
Theyre rabid racists, sexists, and any other ists, phobes etc, that they push to cause division in society for their Marxist aims.

Dont let itching ears (2Timothy 4:3,4) for the oppressive Lefts hateful political propaganda lies lead you astray.
---Haz27 on 1/28/20


haz27, Is Nicole saying Dems are racists, OR was she saying Black Dems makes slures at her for being a republican? Certainly white republicans don't have an issue with her walking off the plantation. Or do they? Trumps total issue with Obama and blacks. So she is saying BLACK Democrats are mad because she walked off the plantation in the first place. Which is absolutely MORONIC. Nicole loves playing the victim. It's a black on black thingy. No Black Democrats or Republicans have ever accused Stacey Abrams of walking off any plantation. And seeing Obama as President seems to show no blacks are on any plantation.

Please pay attention Haz27, and stop twisting others words to promote your hate.
---kathr4453 on 1/28/20


AXE. you constantly repeat far Lefts revisionist lies like a broken record. This is how a brainwashed person acts.

Many Universities are rightly described as far Left brainwashing cults. Even academics who rightly see the role of these institutions as being centers for learning critical thinking are criticizing the fact that many of them have become dominated by Marxist types who impose their brainwashing instead of critical thinking skills.

A uni lecturer friend told me of her experience at a Marxist dominated uni. She was bullied for insisting that critical thinking skills should be taught instead of their Marxist brainwashing. She sued the uni and they had to pay out for their inaction against the bullying from Marxists.
---Haz27 on 1/28/20


NICOLE. I'm not surprised. The Leftist DEMS have always been racists from their KKK days, and even now.

We see the same in Australia where its the Leftists who are the racists, and sexists, haters, liars and bigots.

Any brown coloured person who strays from the Left's "plantation" is attacked (even racially vilified) for having dared to oppose the Left's political narrative.

We recently had a brown skinned Communist/Greens politician lay charges of racism against another brown skinned guy (because he was a political opponent at the elections). The police gave up on this charge as it became obvious the charge was absurd
---Haz27 on 1/28/20




Haz27:

You keep parroting Yuri Bezmanov like a broken record. This is truly how a brainwashed person behaves. Take a good look at your objectivity before you question the objectivity of others.

The reason why the left dominates universities is fairly obvious. The very essence of conservatism is protection of the status quo, and resistance to change. The essence of education is to teach people to think critically for themselves. When people analyze what they have been taught, and realize that it doesn't match reality, they change their perceptions. This is what liberal thinking does. Conservative thinking sticks its head in the sand, and rejects reality in favor of its own deluded preconceptions.
---StrongAxe on 1/28/20


AXE. Like Yuri said, you brainwashed useful idiots for the far Left reject facts until its too late when the Communists take over.

Yuris warnings about the far Left having infiltrated and now dominating the megaphones of society (mainstream media, academia, Hollywood, FB, Google, politics, some churches, etc) to brainwash folk like you, are supported by FBIs findings of Communist goals back in 1950s.
Any rational person can see how much the Left dominate the institutions and thus control public debate/thought (brainwashing).

Just as USA suffers from the Lefts revisionist lies, likewise we in Aust have the far Lefts revisionist lies pushed through the Leftist dominated academia, media, film industry, politics, etc.
---Haz27 on 1/27/20


Haz, I live in Alabama. Only DEMOCRATS slurred racist remarks to me.

They were mad because I walked off the plantation.

Black people are not allowed to Republican.

Keep up the good fight
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/27/20


Haz27:

Then please explain why the South, that was traditionally Democratic, suddenly switched to Republican in the 60s-70s, and has been that way ever since?

You are CONSTANTLY referring to Yuri Bezmanov. Why is that? It's almost as if you are relying on him to think for you, because you can't do it for yourself. Talk about being brainwashed! You are constantly parroting the words of one man.

Why don't you stick to your Australian history, which you claim to know so well. You don't seem to know much about American history, other than the propaganda you get from rightist news sources.
---StrongAxe on 1/27/20


AXE. Stop living in the Leftist bubble with its revisionist lies that you constantly repeat.

The DEMS have always been racist Oppressive Lefties both historically and now. There never was a big switch. The Left are the biggest liars around, and as they dominate academia, mainstream media, Hollywood, etc, (as Yuri Bezmanov, and the FBI in 1958 warned) theyre in the best position to brainwash those like you.
---Haz27 on 1/27/20


Haz27 has been shown that umpteen times here, yet still ignore and repeats the same ol same ol nonsense. Actually it can be somewhat pinpointed when Johnsom signed the civil rights bill into law. Southern Dems made a mass exodus to the Republicam Party. It totally flew in the face of the Jim Crow mentality, George Wallage racism and Strom Thermon white supremacy mania. The Northern Dems, like JFK opposed the Southern Dems RE George Wallace racism etc. so even within the Dems we saw two entirely different politics. The racist Southern Dems called DIXIECRATS became REPUBLICANS. This is OUR history.
---kathr4453 on 1/27/20


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Haz27:

Stop living in Bezmanov's bubble. You quote him MUCH more often than the Bible, showing where you draw inspiration. I don't care about Australian politics. I speak about American politics, because I live here.

Democrats were conservatives (and some were racists - they formed the KKK), and Republicans were progressives. The Eisenhower platform of 1956 read very much like the Democratic platform today. Today, KKK members always run as Republicans.

After the Civil Rights movement of the '60s, disgruntled racist Democrats in the south split and voted for independent ex-Democrat George Wallace. After that, they became Republicans, and most of the southern states that used to be Democrat have been solid red for decades.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/20


AXE. Yuri Bezmanov warned that people like you are so brainwashed that no matter how many facts are presented to you, you will refuse to accept them up until its too late when the Communists finally take over.

In Australia the far Left already dominate too many institutions.

Our taxpayer funded ABC media outlet a example. In spite of its charter obligations for impartiality and to offer balance, they disregard these obligations to the Conservative taxpayers that fund them, pushing predominantly far Left political propaganda instead.

The far Left dominate so many institutions that even a supposedly Conservative government is unable to get the ABC to abide by its obligations.
---Haz27 on 1/26/20


What has General Soleimani destroyed within the past twenty years?

What have the communist accomplished since the 1930s and especially the past ten years? (infiltrating the U.S. government and think of chipping away of the first and second amendments)

What have the muslims accomplished within the past fifteen years and especially the past ten years? (ISIS encouraged its supporters last year to start burning forests and fields)

Is Obama a sleeper cell? (approved 2,500 Iranians to be U.S. citizens)

What has Satan accomplished especially within the past twelve years? (he is the god of war and the god of confusion. How many genders do we need? How much fake news is being spread?)
---Steveng on 1/26/20


Haz27:

1956 Eisenhower REPUBLICAN platform was similar to Democrat platforms today.


jerry6593:

"destroying our country"?

Destructive tariffs on exports, forcing companies like Harley Davidson to close and rebuild in Europe, or causing China and Mexico to stop buying our crops, damaging our economy so we have to pay $12 BILLION to bail out farmers.

Rolling back EPA protections, so large corporations can now pollute the air we breathe and water we drink, and selling off our beautiful government lands for corporate explotation.

Ruining our country's reputation in the rest of the world, and angering all of our allies who now say we can't be relied on.

Those are all on TRUMP.
---StrongAxe on 1/26/20


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That the communist-inspired Trump hatred is destroying our country (not yours ax - that's already gone) is evidenced by the recent murder here in Orlando of a pro-Trump construction worker by his insane Trump-hating "friend" with a construction trowel. This Trump derangement insanity has got to stop!

It is inexcusable for supposed Christians to support such a satanic organization as the Democrat Party in America.


Thank God for Donald Trump!



---jerry6593 on 1/26/20


AXE. There never was a Big Switch as you have been deceived into believing. Its just a big revisionist lie from the far Left who had infiltrated academia, etc.

Yuri Bezmanov, (Russian Communist KGB defector) warned in 1980s how much the far Left had already infiltrated academia, mainstream media, Hollywood, politics, etc., to brainwash the naive.
Now 30+ years later they dominate these institutions and much more.
All your Leftist arguments confirm Yuris warnings.

In 1958 an FBI agent published a book titled The Naked Communist which listed the FBIs findings on Communist goals to subvert the West.
This also confirms Yuris warnings, and further explains how you were manipulated into thinking the way you do.
---Haz27 on 1/25/20


Jerry you are so off base calling everyone not supporting Trump a leftist. How totally ignorant you are. There are many republicans who don't like Trump. The Lincoln Project are Republicans.

Blindness is so predominant with cultish behavior. And those who follow a man, any man is cultish. Trump was a democrat in the first place. He only switched when he saw he could play the religious card .( all the while he being anything but) exploiting apostate generic WOF capitolism of riches scripture clearly warns against. Just read James Jerry...or are you just another who picks and chooses what to obey and ponder, and what just doesn't suit you. Gods WORD is with us to WARN US of those like TRUMP. 2 Timothy 3:13, 2 Corinthians 6:8.
---kathr4453 on 1/25/20


jerry6593:

Abraham Lincoln was a PROGRESSIVE.

150 years ago, conservatives were Democrats and Republicans were progressives, even into the early 20th century. The 1956 Eisenhower platform was similiar to Democratic platforms today.

But around the 60s, Republicans saw themselves as the only force capable of stopping communism, so they changed thier platform to woo Christians and conservatives. This is why the two respective party platforms are almost diametrically opposed to what they were 50-100 years ago.

Trump just BOASTED of keeping evidence from Congress - what he was impeached for.
Trump said "Take her out. Get rid of her" of our ambassador. He was ordering a hit!
And STILL you follow him!
---StrongAxe on 1/25/20


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It was Abraham Lincoln (a REPUBLICAN) who famously said:

"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

It would seem that such suicidal tendencies are being demonstrated by the Trump-hating leftists among us. Traitors!


Thank God for Donald Trump!



---jerry6593 on 1/25/20


AXE. That 97% of climate scientists claim was debunked long ago.
An academic (John Cook) in Australia cooked that lie up through a conveniently subjective word search of science papers.

As for scientists swayed by funding, the climate change scientists are the best example. They get generous funding from governments, IPCC, etc, as well as prestige from the PC crowd. They are well rewarded for their adherence to climate change dogma.

Australias extreme heat & bushfires has gone on since well before the rise of todays climate change cult.

The problem lies solely with politicians (especially Leftists) who disregarded warnings from experts of the impending catastrophe from massive forest fuel loads.
---Haz27 on 1/24/20


Global warming is happening on Mars, but there are no humans there to take the blame.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/24/20


Haz27:

I live in Arizona. We have hot summers, but those usually peak in June, because they are tempered by a monsoon season that typically hits from around the start of July until mid-September. This year, the monsoon season was almost non-existent. North polar reasons are warming so much that it's now possible to sail a ship to the north pole - previously unheard of. Greenland glaciers are melting, causing areas of land to appear that have never been seen in recorded history.

97% of peer-reviewed studies in scientific journals agree on climate change. Scientists who disagree often work for oil and coal interests, and have vested interests in not being objective. But of course you will believe 97% lie and 3% tell the truth.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/20


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AXE. Australia had even higher temperatures around 100 years ago.
Devastating bushfires in late 1930s resulted in higher death toll than our recent fires, and was also due to massive forest fuel loads, as determined by 1939 government investigation.

Politicians (especially Leftists) ignored warnings from scientists, bush fire experts like David Packham about impending catastrophe from massive forest fuel loads.

David Packham rightly said these fires had NOTHING to do with alleged climate change.

Nauru, etc, gets $$ from UN, hence they say whatever is required to continue getting $. Note that Nauru leaders criticized Aust on its coal mining, but were silent on Chinas massive increasing in CO2.
---Haz27 on 1/23/20


Haz27:

How, exactly, is this a FACT?

Yes, wildfires are caused because of natural fuels, but those fuels are MORE LIKELY to ignite when temperatures are hotter and water is less scarce. So even though climate change is not THE ONE cause of wildfires, it IS a major contributing factor, so it's totally incorrect to say it has "NOTHING" to do with bushfires.

From: A sinking feeling: why is the president of the tiny Pacific island nation of Nauru so concerned about climate change?

"With sea levels expected to rise three feet or more by the end of the century, climate change threatens the very existence of many countries in the Pacific.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/20


AXE. I go by facts, rather than untrustworthy/fickle polls.

Our bushfires here have got NOTHING to do with climate change. Various bushfire experts here had been warning politicians of this impending catastrophe for some years now, pointing to the forest fuel loads that had become the worst theyve ever been.

Our bushfires are the fault of politicians (especially from the Progressive Left) who allowed the forest fuel loads to build up. Progressive Left former state politician Bob Carr being one of the worst offenders. Note it was the state of NSW which he formerly governed that was worst hit.

Pacific islands are not sinking, as scientists have found.

You need to stop listening to the climate change cultists.
---Haz27 on 1/23/20


Haz27:

BOTH CNN (left) and Fox (right) polls showed 51% for impeachment. But you won't listen because they don't tell you want you want to hear.

Climate change lies?! YOUR ENTIRE CONTINENT IS ON FIRE because of ridiculously hot weather, hotter than any in history. People from neighboring island countries seek refuge in NZ because their islands will be totaly under water in 10-15 years. You can sail a boat to the NORTH POLE. Yet STILL you don't believe?!

Blackmailing a foreign nation to influence our election IS impeachable. So is obstructing Congress - charges levied against BOTH Clinton and Nixon.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/20


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AXE. Hmmm....polls.....we know how reliable they are....LOL.

In Australia we have the taxpayer funded (far Left Fake News) media outlet ABC, which constantly pushes (thus contravening their charter obligations) the CNN Fake News LIES on Russian collusion, and now impeachment.

The Left have told lies for so long that ANYTHING they say is to be disregarded. Ive seen it here in Aust recently with all the Lefts LIES about climate change being responsible for our bushfires.

Trump has done nothing deserving of impeachment. The problem is Leftist Fake News media, deep state, politics, etc, who corruptly control the narrative that you obediently believe.

The Left has no credibility.
---Haz27 on 1/22/20


Trump has taken advantage of his supposed popularity while he scoffs at breaking the law and then hiding behind his own hate speech towards the left as some sort of crazy cover .....apples to oranges. He thinks if he can point to the Dems this or that people will forget how corrupt he is. It's not working as more and more RIGHT WING folks are tired of it and are seeing through it. Many who are still supporting are apostate Christians being told Trump was put there by God, and telling them if they are against Trump they are against God. It's really sad. But I've seen this with other issues ignorant Christians find themselves in bondage to like GIVE GOD ALL YOUR MONEY DEPOSITED TO MY CHURCH BANK ACCOUNT. Look at the multitude who do.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/20


Haz27:

"Trump's popularity"!? Fox News's OWN POLL said that 51% of Americans were in favor of impeachment and removal, 4% were in favor of impeachment without removal, and only 40% were against impeachment.

The MAJORITY of Americans (and this is from a media sight with a RIGHT-leaning bias) believe that Trump did something wrong, and SO wrong that it merits him being removed from office.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/20


SAMUELbb7. How hypocritically convenient that you accuse Trump of hate speech whilst you yourself support the Leftists/DEMS, who are the most hatefully abusive bigots in Western nations.

Trumps popularity is because so many people have had enough of the Oppressive Left, and theyre just thankful that a politician like Trump (in Australia its the One Nation Party) has the guts to confront the hateful far Left PC tyranny that you support.

In Australia weve been seeing these haters from the Left even calling for violent protests since our bushfires to impose their climate change cult agendas on Australians.
---Haz27 on 1/22/20


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jerry6593:

Nobody is denigrating "a free country". We complain about a blatantly lawless act that may be a war crime. Behave like terrorists by violating our own allies' sovereignty and international law, and assassinating a member of a foreign government that we are not even at war with, lowers us to becoming terrorists ourselves, which makes us hypocrites.

Iraq and Saudi Arabia are composed mostly of Muslims, and are our allies. Are they "Muslim animals" too? There are good and bad Muslims, and Christians, and Americans. Judge people by what they do, not who they are.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/20


Nicole: Good to have you back! There aren't many patriotic Americans on this website. (But you know that.) Isn't it strange how these supposedly loving Christians can denigrate the free country that makes their lives secure while supporting the vile Muslim animals that want them dead? I can't respect such stupidity.


---jerry6593 on 1/22/20


Nicole_Lacey:

TRUMP told Iraq to enter peace negotiations with Iran. Iraqi Prime Minister said Soleimani was there to talk peace.

Obama got CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL. Trump informed FUNDRAISER GUESTS at Mar a Lago of the raid but not Congress. Money over law.

(from Wikipedia) Soleimani was a Major General in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and commander of its Quds Force. He was the second most powerful person in Iran behind Ayatollah Khamenei, and his right-hand man.

I.e. he was a Major General, the Iranian equivalent of Patton or Schwartzkopf. How do you think Americans (and people in other countries) would react if a country THAT WE WERE NOT AT WAR WITH, staged a missile strike that assassinated General Patton?
---StrongAxe on 1/21/20


StrongAxe: Soleimani was a government leader//

Please tell me his gov title?

Soleimani was in Iraq trying to kill Americans in our Embassy as he did in Benghazi.

BTW, Soleimani orchestrated the Benghazi attack.

Plus, since when does every President have to follow Obama's war policy?

Trump doesn't believe in the 'stand down' method.

Kathr, when Obama got Congressional approval when he KILLED two Americans without 'due process'.

No trail, no lawyers. Just Obama being the Judge, Jury and executioner.

Forgot Anwar Nasser al-Awlaki and his 16 year old SON, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki?

So much for Juvenile court!

I forgot, Democrats CARE more about foreigners than American citizens.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/21/20


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sam: "Trump uses hate speech to attack all who disagree with him."

And just what do you think all you Trump-haters are doing? In Trump we finally have a fighter to push back against the socialist reign of terror that has plagued our country since Ronald Reagan. He is cleaning up the corruption left by the socialist traitor Obama.

Trump is innocent of the crime actually committed by Joe Biden.


Thank God for Donald Trump.



---jerry6593 on 1/21/20


Going after Bin Laden didn't end when Bush's presidency ended. You're comparing apples to oranges. YIKES. And this is the false scenario FOX is feeding those ignorant citizens so brainwashed to believe anything they are fed. So according to your ignorance, if Kim offends the USA, Trump without any advise or approval can just take him out? NO. And if we are going to play this way, then anyone on their own can take out Trump...and just say it's a continuation from WWII. Unbelievable how ignorant Jerry really is...led by his hate and emotions rather than by LAW. Yep, these guys make this world very dangerous.

THANK GOD FOR OUR CONSTITUTION AND LAWS, that protect us against dictators and the mentally unstable.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/20


Cluny:

There is a big difference between Christians, who are imperfect, and sin, but try not to, and repent when they do, and depraved people who sin openly, are proud of their sin, and boast about doing so, and regret and repent nothing.


jerry6593:

Bin Laden was a rogue terrorist who orchestrated multiple attacks on American soil. Soleimani was a government leader in a government with which the U.S. is not at war. There is a big difference between these two.

Also, it is now looking like Trump and many others in his circle were knowingly involved in a plot to stalk, harass, and even assassinate ambassador Jovanovitch. Assassinating one OF OUR OWN AMBASSADORS for political gain?! How more criminal can you get?!
---StrongAxe on 1/20/20


RichardC, do your own sins mean you are not a Christian?

Then why should the sins of other people mean their faith is meaningless?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/20


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ax: "I am not "siding with an enemy of this country". I am objecting to the way Trump took him out."

But you were OK with the way Obama took out Bin Laden?

Hypocrisy!


Thank God for Donald Trump!



---jerry6593 on 1/20/20


All those points do not excuse Trump. Not by any stretch of the imagination.



---kathr4453 on 1/19/20


The premise is this : The Wide road and the Narrow , How many leaders are really Christians ? Many talk about God but are they ? Comparing Trump to Hitler as some do , is Diluting the currency by the comparison, Trumps a wild card, even the people who vote for him know this, 57 % of the democratic party believe in Socialism, Marxist's are anti God ,

LBJ was a racist - But he end up fighting for race equality - did more than JFK

JFK - Marilyn

Bill Clinton - Perjury - harassment suit

Woodrow Wilson - Racist

Adam Schiff

1. 2017 - Trump colluded with Russia - False

2. Russia investigation didn't use steel dossier - False

3. Conceal, contact with whistle blower

Romans 13.1
---RichardC on 1/19/20


RichardC,not sure what your point is, as you seem to be defending every evil man known to history and excusing him, because all have sinned. YIKES. Trump MURDERS a General everyone calls the worst terrorist in the world and I'm guessing you're OK with that one who's fallen short of the glory of God TOO, with many apostate christian cheering that murder as well. Doesn't he also deserve your benefit of the doubt as you give Trump? How can you post these comments and be one sided when it comes to evil men? Please post here you think its HORRIBLE that Trump murdered another sinful man as sinful as himself.

I guess when anti_Christ aka the Beast appears your gonna defend it too?

Please show scripture we are to defend evil men?
---kathr4453 on 1/19/20


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Romans 3:23 - For all have sin and fall short of the glory of God,

Psalm 66:18 - If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me.
---RichardC on 1/19/20


Trump uses hate speech to attack all who disagree with him. He does not love his neighbors unless they are rich. I don't see him acting as a Christian. His fruit is non existent.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/20


Cluny:

Matthew 7:16-18 talks about good trees bringing forth good fruit, and bad trees bringing forth bad fruit, and that we would know them by their fruit.

This president claims to be honorable, yet cheated on every one of his wives, and defrauded thousands of contractors, and boasted about both. He claims to be honest, yet told 15000+ lies in his first thousand days. He claims to be a Christian, yet boasts he has never been sorry (i.e. repented of) for anything, and when he wronged, he seeks vengeance and not forgiveness. His "spiritual advisor" said anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan.

We don't need to look into his heart. His own words and deeds speak plenty enough.
---StrongAxe on 1/19/20


Trump has already revealed his spiritual status to all. " I've never sinned, and don't need to repent" says it all.

And Shakespeare is not the word of God.

"My sheep" hear my voice... Does Trump really hear Gods voice, OR does he listen to Paula White, Graham and Jeffers (sp) . Trump is NOT put here by God to be our MORAL LEADER. GAG! God may have put him here to expose the apostates for spiritual Christians to see and learn not to lay hands on any man suddenly lest you partake of his sins too. 1Timothy 5:22 ....I obey this, not Shakespeare.

Clunky, there are more scriptures than you will ever know showing God does not know or even discipline illigitimates. Hebrews is a good place to start boys.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/20


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Habakkuk 1:13 is a good place to start Too Clunky. Unless you pick and choose what scripture fits into your own personal universe of alternative beliefs.

There are those INSIDE and those WITHOUT, more scripture you may want to study to show yourself approved unto God. But you are free to believe what you want. I'll believe Every word of God.
---kat453 on 1/19/20


Here's another that also exposes Cluny' s own alternate universe not grounded in the Word of God. Take your argument to God Cluny if you have a problem with HIS WORD.

1 John 2:19-21

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. NO LIE IS OF GOD.
---kath4453 on 1/19/20


// God cannot even look at a sinful man, but only sees one IN CHRIST, //

BCV, please.

//and we know Trump is not in Christ. //

Who's WE, Kemo Sabe?

Why should anyone believe that God reveals people's spiritual status to you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/20


Matthew 7:14 - Because Strait is the gate and narrow is the way which leads to life, and Few there be that find it.


Hamlet : Oh no man , If every man were treated as they deserved, No one would escape punishment - William Shakespeare
---RichardC on 1/18/20


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God and Trump do not belong in the same sentence. I'm sure many a German thanked God for Hitler too. Saying it means NOTHING. Trump is not a godly man, and I would even go as far as saying God doesn't even know Trump, as God only knows those who are His. God cannot even look at a sinful man, but only sees one IN CHRIST, and we know Trump is not in Christ. If he were, there is no way he could continue lying, acting PROUD AND ARROGANT, ruining others lives to put himself first. It all goes 100% against Gods very character.

The Lincoln Project Republicans will also tell you that. Thank God for those in the Lincoln Project.
---kathr4453 on 1/18/20


jerry6593:

You keep missing the point. I am not "siding with an enemy of this country". I am objecting to the way Trump took him out.

Trump specifically asked Iraq to make peace overtures with Iran. They were doing that (i.e. Soleimani came to Iraq to talk to their prime minister) when Trump assassinated him on Iraq soil. Do you not get how ourageous a breach of hospitality that is?! You arrange for an enemy to talk peace, then murder him when he does that?!

I can't understand how you can support Trump. Now evidence shows he and several other GOP insiders stalked an AMERICAN AMBASSADOR and considered a MOB HIT on her because she was not cooperating with their attempt to smear the Bidens for political ends.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/20


ax: Specifically, I am an American, and as such I find it extremely offensive when anyone - particularly a citizen (or in your case, a guest) - sides with an enemy of this country while enjoying the benefits of our free and open society. The people of Iran would give anything to escape the repressive regime they suffer under and live as you do in this country. Why then do you support their oppressors and denigrate the ONLY US President in recent history that supports them?

Thank God for Donald Trump - the greatest American President ever.



---jerry6593 on 1/16/20


And there is now breaking intelligence (i.e. documents) from Lev Parnas that suggests that Trump, Giuliani, Parnas, and Hyde were having U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch under surveillance, and making veiled comments about "knowing some people who could take care of her" - i.e. suggesting a possible mob hit on one of our own ambassadors who was inconvenient to them. How's THAT for treason?
---StrongAxe on 1/15/20


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Wrong. Question. The Democrats didn't side with Iran and Iraq. They asked questions and wanted answers. It is a lie to say Democrats because they disagree with a action or policy are siding with our enemies.

When the hostage Crisis happened. All their Assets were seized. When it was over we returned their assets to them. I remember watching it on the news.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/15/20


jerry6593:

I asked to show, SPECIFICALLY, any point in my message that was incorrect. Instead of proving me wrong (very easy, if I actually WAS wrong), you choose to attack he personally.

Stop playing the "Canadian" card as a put-down to me. It gets tiresome. If you don't want others putting you down because you're an American, you shouldn't do it to others either.

As far as to "being gratious to murderers", Jesus taught turning the other cheek - it's something you might look into. Throw the first stone ONLY If you're sinless.

Iran had much money invested in the U.S. The U.S. illegally seized it. If they "owe us reparations", U.S. could sue for it in the World Court. They didn't.
---StrongAxe on 1/13/20


ax: What you espouse is not truth - it is Communist propaganda. One would think that a Canadian like you would not be so gracious to a murderous regime that just murdered scores of his countrymen by shooting down a commercial jetliner.


cluny: We don't own Iran anything. They should owe us reparations for holding our people hostage for a year (until Reagan gained their release), and for killing so many Americans by their state-sponsored terrorism.


---jerry6593 on 1/13/20


//Careful cluny, you are beginning to slide left.//

How?

Maybe you're sliding too far right?

In any case, we are still not at war with Persia.

Mobs of angry Americans running through the street chanting "Death to Ruritania!" would not mean we were at war with this country.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/11/20


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jerry6593:

You wrote: Your history smells a bit leftist. Why don't you move to Iran and then tell us how great they are. We Americans are tired of you.

What matters is NOT whether my history is "leftist" or "rightist", but whether it is TRUE. IF the shoe fits, wear it. Show ONE THING I said in my last message that was NOT true.

I never said "Iran is great" but thanks for putting words in my mouth and then setting fire to them. It shows how committed you are to truth. And don't presume to speak for all Americans. More than half agree with me. Even FOX'S OWN POLL showed over 50% in favor of impeachment and removal.
---StrongAxe on 1/11/20


//They have killed hundreds of Americans - much of it paid for by the Billions of dollars given them by Obama. //

Actually, it was Persia's money to start with. It had been impounded by our government in 1979.

Remember when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941? It still required an act of Congress to declare war on them.

Maybe my memory fails me, but can you tell me when Congress declared war on Persia, please?

I'm certainly not aware of their attacking USA territory.

I shall await with interest.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/20


ax: Your history smells a bit leftist. Why don't you move to Iran and then tell us how great they are. We Americans are tired of you.

cluny: The War Powers Act of 1973 was instituted to restrict large scale troop commitment to foreign wars such as Viet Nam. That commitment had already been made in Iraq by Four Presidents prior to Trump. NO additional troops were deployed to kill Salami - only one drone piloted by someone in the US.

Obama violated the act by bombing Libya. Careful cluny, you are beginning to slide left.



---jerry6593 on 1/11/20


jerry6593:

Iran had a democratic governent the C.I.A. toppled in 1953 to install the Shah. The later backlash gave us Khomeni. Thank American meddling for Islamic fundamentalism in the region, and exported terror and bloodshed, and their hatred of us.

Obama didn't "give" money. He returned THEIR OWN MONEY America illegally STOLE.

America exported revolution and regime change all over the world to favor its own business interests for decades, and whines now its chickens came home to roost.

Bin Laden was a rogue terrorist. Soleimani was a leader in a WORLD GOVERNMENT - a big difference. We attacked him on an ALLY'S SOIL, so now Iraq is expelling all U.S. troops, wasting 18 years of American effort in Iraq.
---StrongAxe on 1/10/20


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Jerry, CONGRESS determines when and with whom the United States is at war, not a bunch of hashish crazed Persians.

Or did you not study the Constitution in school?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/20


Whose side are you people on?

Iran routinely shouts DEATH TO AMERICA, and has been at war with US since 1979. They have killed hundreds of Americans - much of it paid for by the Billions of dollars given them by Obama. They are the main exporter of terror worldwide. We have an ongoing WAR on terror, and this guy Salami was #1 on our most wanted list.

Strange that you America haters had no Problem with Obama killing Bin Laden. Kinda hypocritical, it seems.



---jerry6593 on 1/10/20


It seems TRUMPISM wants to redefine EVERYTHING, including making those TRAITORS who disagree with them . Hitler systematically tore down the German Constitution line by line to get a stronghold in that country becoming a dictator.....something Trump wants to be more than anything in this world. Please study that before making any more STUPID COMMENTS Jerry. You have uncovered your absolute ignorance Jerry in matters concerning our Constitution AND our freedom to disagree .....go move to N Korea if you want those freedoms absent from your every day life, but please stop trying to persuade intelligent folks of your twisted ideas you think apply here in the USA. Maybe we should nickname you TRAITOR JERRY for pushing this false propaganda.
---kathr4453 on 1/9/20


When I woke up this morning, I was still living in America. Disagreeing with presidential policy is NOT treason.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/9/20


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Jerry, Rand Paul and Senator Mike Lee ARE NOT DEMOCRATS. Let's just wait and see how many more REPUBLICANS break ranks here, who are not TRAITORS, but are those who are here to uphold the Constitution. Those who uphold our rule of law and the Constitution holding any and all branchs of government accountable to the Constitution of the USA are not traitors Jerry. You Jerry, and all who want to upend the Constitution, Are in fact THE TRAITORS TO THE USA. Making up some rule that this is just a carry over from Saddam Hussein is outrageous and false. That ignorant approach can say..."hay lets bomb Germany" and say it a carry over from WWII and bypass Congress. ONLY THE IGNORANT would be taken in by that. ARE YOU AN IGNORANT JERRY?
---kathr4453 on 1/9/20


This question reminds me of when Bush was in office declaring "those not for us are against us". It use to be ..that is before Republican tried to manipulate others by these false statements that individuals were allowed to have their own opinion and belief in these situations. NOW we have this horrible strain of false accusers trying to accuse anyone who disagrees with them something horrible like "traitor " " against God," etc, thinking this will shame others into submission.

Stop being divisive Jerry....many are getting tired of this juvenile approach to issues.. These issues with Iran are not that simple. Calling anyone a traitor is what makes YOU the traitor.
---kathr4453 on 1/8/20


It's not "siding with our enemies". It's siding with international law. Trump threatened to destroy 52 Iranian cultural sites, a WAR CRIME. They have NO military strategic value.

How would you feel if someone bombed the Statue of Liberty? Remember the WTC. By the Golden Rule, if you don't want them doing things like that to us, we shouldn't do those things to them.

Many in the South lose their minds when people destroy Confederate statues, even though those honored really WERE traitors. Americans who didn't want to be Americans, formed their own country, and took up arms against Americans, killing hundreds of thousands, almost as many as in all other wars combined.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/20


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