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Are Democrats Traitors

Should the Democrats and the Mainstream Media be considered traitors for siding with our enemy Iran and opposing America?

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AXE. That 97% of climate scientists claim was debunked long ago.
An academic (John Cook) in Australia cooked that lie up through a conveniently subjective word search of science papers.

As for scientists swayed by funding, the climate change scientists are the best example. They get generous funding from governments, IPCC, etc, as well as prestige from the PC crowd. They are well rewarded for their adherence to climate change dogma.

Australias extreme heat & bushfires has gone on since well before the rise of todays climate change cult.

The problem lies solely with politicians (especially Leftists) who disregarded warnings from experts of the impending catastrophe from massive forest fuel loads.
---Haz27 on 1/24/20


Global warming is happening on Mars, but there are no humans there to take the blame.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/24/20


Haz27:

I live in Arizona. We have hot summers, but those usually peak in June, because they are tempered by a monsoon season that typically hits from around the start of July until mid-September. This year, the monsoon season was almost non-existent. North polar reasons are warming so much that it's now possible to sail a ship to the north pole - previously unheard of. Greenland glaciers are melting, causing areas of land to appear that have never been seen in recorded history.

97% of peer-reviewed studies in scientific journals agree on climate change. Scientists who disagree often work for oil and coal interests, and have vested interests in not being objective. But of course you will believe 97% lie and 3% tell the truth.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/20


AXE. Australia had even higher temperatures around 100 years ago.
Devastating bushfires in late 1930s resulted in higher death toll than our recent fires, and was also due to massive forest fuel loads, as determined by 1939 government investigation.

Politicians (especially Leftists) ignored warnings from scientists, bush fire experts like David Packham about impending catastrophe from massive forest fuel loads.

David Packham rightly said these fires had NOTHING to do with alleged climate change.

Nauru, etc, gets $$ from UN, hence they say whatever is required to continue getting $. Note that Nauru leaders criticized Aust on its coal mining, but were silent on Chinas massive increasing in CO2.
---Haz27 on 1/23/20


Haz27:

How, exactly, is this a FACT?

Yes, wildfires are caused because of natural fuels, but those fuels are MORE LIKELY to ignite when temperatures are hotter and water is less scarce. So even though climate change is not THE ONE cause of wildfires, it IS a major contributing factor, so it's totally incorrect to say it has "NOTHING" to do with bushfires.

From: A sinking feeling: why is the president of the tiny Pacific island nation of Nauru so concerned about climate change?

"With sea levels expected to rise three feet or more by the end of the century, climate change threatens the very existence of many countries in the Pacific.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/20




AXE. I go by facts, rather than untrustworthy/fickle polls.

Our bushfires here have got NOTHING to do with climate change. Various bushfire experts here had been warning politicians of this impending catastrophe for some years now, pointing to the forest fuel loads that had become the worst theyve ever been.

Our bushfires are the fault of politicians (especially from the Progressive Left) who allowed the forest fuel loads to build up. Progressive Left former state politician Bob Carr being one of the worst offenders. Note it was the state of NSW which he formerly governed that was worst hit.

Pacific islands are not sinking, as scientists have found.

You need to stop listening to the climate change cultists.
---Haz27 on 1/23/20


Haz27:

BOTH CNN (left) and Fox (right) polls showed 51% for impeachment. But you won't listen because they don't tell you want you want to hear.

Climate change lies?! YOUR ENTIRE CONTINENT IS ON FIRE because of ridiculously hot weather, hotter than any in history. People from neighboring island countries seek refuge in NZ because their islands will be totaly under water in 10-15 years. You can sail a boat to the NORTH POLE. Yet STILL you don't believe?!

Blackmailing a foreign nation to influence our election IS impeachable. So is obstructing Congress - charges levied against BOTH Clinton and Nixon.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/20


AXE. Hmmm....polls.....we know how reliable they are....LOL.

In Australia we have the taxpayer funded (far Left Fake News) media outlet ABC, which constantly pushes (thus contravening their charter obligations) the CNN Fake News LIES on Russian collusion, and now impeachment.

The Left have told lies for so long that ANYTHING they say is to be disregarded. Ive seen it here in Aust recently with all the Lefts LIES about climate change being responsible for our bushfires.

Trump has done nothing deserving of impeachment. The problem is Leftist Fake News media, deep state, politics, etc, who corruptly control the narrative that you obediently believe.

The Left has no credibility.
---Haz27 on 1/22/20


Trump has taken advantage of his supposed popularity while he scoffs at breaking the law and then hiding behind his own hate speech towards the left as some sort of crazy cover .....apples to oranges. He thinks if he can point to the Dems this or that people will forget how corrupt he is. It's not working as more and more RIGHT WING folks are tired of it and are seeing through it. Many who are still supporting are apostate Christians being told Trump was put there by God, and telling them if they are against Trump they are against God. It's really sad. But I've seen this with other issues ignorant Christians find themselves in bondage to like GIVE GOD ALL YOUR MONEY DEPOSITED TO MY CHURCH BANK ACCOUNT. Look at the multitude who do.
---kathr4453 on 1/23/20


Haz27:

"Trump's popularity"!? Fox News's OWN POLL said that 51% of Americans were in favor of impeachment and removal, 4% were in favor of impeachment without removal, and only 40% were against impeachment.

The MAJORITY of Americans (and this is from a media sight with a RIGHT-leaning bias) believe that Trump did something wrong, and SO wrong that it merits him being removed from office.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/20




SAMUELbb7. How hypocritically convenient that you accuse Trump of hate speech whilst you yourself support the Leftists/DEMS, who are the most hatefully abusive bigots in Western nations.

Trumps popularity is because so many people have had enough of the Oppressive Left, and theyre just thankful that a politician like Trump (in Australia its the One Nation Party) has the guts to confront the hateful far Left PC tyranny that you support.

In Australia weve been seeing these haters from the Left even calling for violent protests since our bushfires to impose their climate change cult agendas on Australians.
---Haz27 on 1/22/20


jerry6593:

Nobody is denigrating "a free country". We complain about a blatantly lawless act that may be a war crime. Behave like terrorists by violating our own allies' sovereignty and international law, and assassinating a member of a foreign government that we are not even at war with, lowers us to becoming terrorists ourselves, which makes us hypocrites.

Iraq and Saudi Arabia are composed mostly of Muslims, and are our allies. Are they "Muslim animals" too? There are good and bad Muslims, and Christians, and Americans. Judge people by what they do, not who they are.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/20


Nicole: Good to have you back! There aren't many patriotic Americans on this website. (But you know that.) Isn't it strange how these supposedly loving Christians can denigrate the free country that makes their lives secure while supporting the vile Muslim animals that want them dead? I can't respect such stupidity.


---jerry6593 on 1/22/20


Nicole_Lacey:

TRUMP told Iraq to enter peace negotiations with Iran. Iraqi Prime Minister said Soleimani was there to talk peace.

Obama got CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL. Trump informed FUNDRAISER GUESTS at Mar a Lago of the raid but not Congress. Money over law.

(from Wikipedia) Soleimani was a Major General in the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and commander of its Quds Force. He was the second most powerful person in Iran behind Ayatollah Khamenei, and his right-hand man.

I.e. he was a Major General, the Iranian equivalent of Patton or Schwartzkopf. How do you think Americans (and people in other countries) would react if a country THAT WE WERE NOT AT WAR WITH, staged a missile strike that assassinated General Patton?
---StrongAxe on 1/21/20


StrongAxe: Soleimani was a government leader//

Please tell me his gov title?

Soleimani was in Iraq trying to kill Americans in our Embassy as he did in Benghazi.

BTW, Soleimani orchestrated the Benghazi attack.

Plus, since when does every President have to follow Obama's war policy?

Trump doesn't believe in the 'stand down' method.

Kathr, when Obama got Congressional approval when he KILLED two Americans without 'due process'.

No trail, no lawyers. Just Obama being the Judge, Jury and executioner.

Forgot Anwar Nasser al-Awlaki and his 16 year old SON, Abdulrahman al-Awlaki?

So much for Juvenile court!

I forgot, Democrats CARE more about foreigners than American citizens.
---Nicole_Lacey on 1/21/20


sam: "Trump uses hate speech to attack all who disagree with him."

And just what do you think all you Trump-haters are doing? In Trump we finally have a fighter to push back against the socialist reign of terror that has plagued our country since Ronald Reagan. He is cleaning up the corruption left by the socialist traitor Obama.

Trump is innocent of the crime actually committed by Joe Biden.


Thank God for Donald Trump.



---jerry6593 on 1/21/20


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Going after Bin Laden didn't end when Bush's presidency ended. You're comparing apples to oranges. YIKES. And this is the false scenario FOX is feeding those ignorant citizens so brainwashed to believe anything they are fed. So according to your ignorance, if Kim offends the USA, Trump without any advise or approval can just take him out? NO. And if we are going to play this way, then anyone on their own can take out Trump...and just say it's a continuation from WWII. Unbelievable how ignorant Jerry really is...led by his hate and emotions rather than by LAW. Yep, these guys make this world very dangerous.

THANK GOD FOR OUR CONSTITUTION AND LAWS, that protect us against dictators and the mentally unstable.
---kathr4453 on 1/20/20


Cluny:

There is a big difference between Christians, who are imperfect, and sin, but try not to, and repent when they do, and depraved people who sin openly, are proud of their sin, and boast about doing so, and regret and repent nothing.


jerry6593:

Bin Laden was a rogue terrorist who orchestrated multiple attacks on American soil. Soleimani was a government leader in a government with which the U.S. is not at war. There is a big difference between these two.

Also, it is now looking like Trump and many others in his circle were knowingly involved in a plot to stalk, harass, and even assassinate ambassador Jovanovitch. Assassinating one OF OUR OWN AMBASSADORS for political gain?! How more criminal can you get?!
---StrongAxe on 1/20/20


RichardC, do your own sins mean you are not a Christian?

Then why should the sins of other people mean their faith is meaningless?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/20/20


ax: "I am not "siding with an enemy of this country". I am objecting to the way Trump took him out."

But you were OK with the way Obama took out Bin Laden?

Hypocrisy!


Thank God for Donald Trump!



---jerry6593 on 1/20/20


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All those points do not excuse Trump. Not by any stretch of the imagination.



---kathr4453 on 1/19/20


The premise is this : The Wide road and the Narrow , How many leaders are really Christians ? Many talk about God but are they ? Comparing Trump to Hitler as some do , is Diluting the currency by the comparison, Trumps a wild card, even the people who vote for him know this, 57 % of the democratic party believe in Socialism, Marxist's are anti God ,

LBJ was a racist - But he end up fighting for race equality - did more than JFK

JFK - Marilyn

Bill Clinton - Perjury - harassment suit

Woodrow Wilson - Racist

Adam Schiff

1. 2017 - Trump colluded with Russia - False

2. Russia investigation didn't use steel dossier - False

3. Conceal, contact with whistle blower

Romans 13.1
---RichardC on 1/19/20


RichardC,not sure what your point is, as you seem to be defending every evil man known to history and excusing him, because all have sinned. YIKES. Trump MURDERS a General everyone calls the worst terrorist in the world and I'm guessing you're OK with that one who's fallen short of the glory of God TOO, with many apostate christian cheering that murder as well. Doesn't he also deserve your benefit of the doubt as you give Trump? How can you post these comments and be one sided when it comes to evil men? Please post here you think its HORRIBLE that Trump murdered another sinful man as sinful as himself.

I guess when anti_Christ aka the Beast appears your gonna defend it too?

Please show scripture we are to defend evil men?
---kathr4453 on 1/19/20


Romans 3:23 - For all have sin and fall short of the glory of God,

Psalm 66:18 - If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me.
---RichardC on 1/19/20


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Trump uses hate speech to attack all who disagree with him. He does not love his neighbors unless they are rich. I don't see him acting as a Christian. His fruit is non existent.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/19/20


Cluny:

Matthew 7:16-18 talks about good trees bringing forth good fruit, and bad trees bringing forth bad fruit, and that we would know them by their fruit.

This president claims to be honorable, yet cheated on every one of his wives, and defrauded thousands of contractors, and boasted about both. He claims to be honest, yet told 15000+ lies in his first thousand days. He claims to be a Christian, yet boasts he has never been sorry (i.e. repented of) for anything, and when he wronged, he seeks vengeance and not forgiveness. His "spiritual advisor" said anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan.

We don't need to look into his heart. His own words and deeds speak plenty enough.
---StrongAxe on 1/19/20


Trump has already revealed his spiritual status to all. " I've never sinned, and don't need to repent" says it all.

And Shakespeare is not the word of God.

"My sheep" hear my voice... Does Trump really hear Gods voice, OR does he listen to Paula White, Graham and Jeffers (sp) . Trump is NOT put here by God to be our MORAL LEADER. GAG! God may have put him here to expose the apostates for spiritual Christians to see and learn not to lay hands on any man suddenly lest you partake of his sins too. 1Timothy 5:22 ....I obey this, not Shakespeare.

Clunky, there are more scriptures than you will ever know showing God does not know or even discipline illigitimates. Hebrews is a good place to start boys.
---kathr4453 on 1/19/20


Habakkuk 1:13 is a good place to start Too Clunky. Unless you pick and choose what scripture fits into your own personal universe of alternative beliefs.

There are those INSIDE and those WITHOUT, more scripture you may want to study to show yourself approved unto God. But you are free to believe what you want. I'll believe Every word of God.
---kat453 on 1/19/20


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Here's another that also exposes Cluny' s own alternate universe not grounded in the Word of God. Take your argument to God Cluny if you have a problem with HIS WORD.

1 John 2:19-21

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us, for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. NO LIE IS OF GOD.
---kath4453 on 1/19/20


// God cannot even look at a sinful man, but only sees one IN CHRIST, //

BCV, please.

//and we know Trump is not in Christ. //

Who's WE, Kemo Sabe?

Why should anyone believe that God reveals people's spiritual status to you?

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 1/18/20


Matthew 7:14 - Because Strait is the gate and narrow is the way which leads to life, and Few there be that find it.


Hamlet : Oh no man , If every man were treated as they deserved, No one would escape punishment - William Shakespeare
---RichardC on 1/18/20


God and Trump do not belong in the same sentence. I'm sure many a German thanked God for Hitler too. Saying it means NOTHING. Trump is not a godly man, and I would even go as far as saying God doesn't even know Trump, as God only knows those who are His. God cannot even look at a sinful man, but only sees one IN CHRIST, and we know Trump is not in Christ. If he were, there is no way he could continue lying, acting PROUD AND ARROGANT, ruining others lives to put himself first. It all goes 100% against Gods very character.

The Lincoln Project Republicans will also tell you that. Thank God for those in the Lincoln Project.
---kathr4453 on 1/18/20


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jerry6593:

You keep missing the point. I am not "siding with an enemy of this country". I am objecting to the way Trump took him out.

Trump specifically asked Iraq to make peace overtures with Iran. They were doing that (i.e. Soleimani came to Iraq to talk to their prime minister) when Trump assassinated him on Iraq soil. Do you not get how ourageous a breach of hospitality that is?! You arrange for an enemy to talk peace, then murder him when he does that?!

I can't understand how you can support Trump. Now evidence shows he and several other GOP insiders stalked an AMERICAN AMBASSADOR and considered a MOB HIT on her because she was not cooperating with their attempt to smear the Bidens for political ends.
---StrongAxe on 1/16/20


ax: Specifically, I am an American, and as such I find it extremely offensive when anyone - particularly a citizen (or in your case, a guest) - sides with an enemy of this country while enjoying the benefits of our free and open society. The people of Iran would give anything to escape the repressive regime they suffer under and live as you do in this country. Why then do you support their oppressors and denigrate the ONLY US President in recent history that supports them?

Thank God for Donald Trump - the greatest American President ever.



---jerry6593 on 1/16/20


And there is now breaking intelligence (i.e. documents) from Lev Parnas that suggests that Trump, Giuliani, Parnas, and Hyde were having U.S. Ambassador Yovanovitch under surveillance, and making veiled comments about "knowing some people who could take care of her" - i.e. suggesting a possible mob hit on one of our own ambassadors who was inconvenient to them. How's THAT for treason?
---StrongAxe on 1/15/20


Wrong. Question. The Democrats didn't side with Iran and Iraq. They asked questions and wanted answers. It is a lie to say Democrats because they disagree with a action or policy are siding with our enemies.

When the hostage Crisis happened. All their Assets were seized. When it was over we returned their assets to them. I remember watching it on the news.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/15/20


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jerry6593:

I asked to show, SPECIFICALLY, any point in my message that was incorrect. Instead of proving me wrong (very easy, if I actually WAS wrong), you choose to attack he personally.

Stop playing the "Canadian" card as a put-down to me. It gets tiresome. If you don't want others putting you down because you're an American, you shouldn't do it to others either.

As far as to "being gratious to murderers", Jesus taught turning the other cheek - it's something you might look into. Throw the first stone ONLY If you're sinless.

Iran had much money invested in the U.S. The U.S. illegally seized it. If they "owe us reparations", U.S. could sue for it in the World Court. They didn't.
---StrongAxe on 1/13/20


ax: What you espouse is not truth - it is Communist propaganda. One would think that a Canadian like you would not be so gracious to a murderous regime that just murdered scores of his countrymen by shooting down a commercial jetliner.


cluny: We don't own Iran anything. They should owe us reparations for holding our people hostage for a year (until Reagan gained their release), and for killing so many Americans by their state-sponsored terrorism.


---jerry6593 on 1/13/20


//Careful cluny, you are beginning to slide left.//

How?

Maybe you're sliding too far right?

In any case, we are still not at war with Persia.

Mobs of angry Americans running through the street chanting "Death to Ruritania!" would not mean we were at war with this country.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/11/20


jerry6593:

You wrote: Your history smells a bit leftist. Why don't you move to Iran and then tell us how great they are. We Americans are tired of you.

What matters is NOT whether my history is "leftist" or "rightist", but whether it is TRUE. IF the shoe fits, wear it. Show ONE THING I said in my last message that was NOT true.

I never said "Iran is great" but thanks for putting words in my mouth and then setting fire to them. It shows how committed you are to truth. And don't presume to speak for all Americans. More than half agree with me. Even FOX'S OWN POLL showed over 50% in favor of impeachment and removal.
---StrongAxe on 1/11/20


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//They have killed hundreds of Americans - much of it paid for by the Billions of dollars given them by Obama. //

Actually, it was Persia's money to start with. It had been impounded by our government in 1979.

Remember when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor in 1941? It still required an act of Congress to declare war on them.

Maybe my memory fails me, but can you tell me when Congress declared war on Persia, please?

I'm certainly not aware of their attacking USA territory.

I shall await with interest.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/20


ax: Your history smells a bit leftist. Why don't you move to Iran and then tell us how great they are. We Americans are tired of you.

cluny: The War Powers Act of 1973 was instituted to restrict large scale troop commitment to foreign wars such as Viet Nam. That commitment had already been made in Iraq by Four Presidents prior to Trump. NO additional troops were deployed to kill Salami - only one drone piloted by someone in the US.

Obama violated the act by bombing Libya. Careful cluny, you are beginning to slide left.



---jerry6593 on 1/11/20


jerry6593:

Iran had a democratic governent the C.I.A. toppled in 1953 to install the Shah. The later backlash gave us Khomeni. Thank American meddling for Islamic fundamentalism in the region, and exported terror and bloodshed, and their hatred of us.

Obama didn't "give" money. He returned THEIR OWN MONEY America illegally STOLE.

America exported revolution and regime change all over the world to favor its own business interests for decades, and whines now its chickens came home to roost.

Bin Laden was a rogue terrorist. Soleimani was a leader in a WORLD GOVERNMENT - a big difference. We attacked him on an ALLY'S SOIL, so now Iraq is expelling all U.S. troops, wasting 18 years of American effort in Iraq.
---StrongAxe on 1/10/20


Jerry, CONGRESS determines when and with whom the United States is at war, not a bunch of hashish crazed Persians.

Or did you not study the Constitution in school?

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/10/20


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Whose side are you people on?

Iran routinely shouts DEATH TO AMERICA, and has been at war with US since 1979. They have killed hundreds of Americans - much of it paid for by the Billions of dollars given them by Obama. They are the main exporter of terror worldwide. We have an ongoing WAR on terror, and this guy Salami was #1 on our most wanted list.

Strange that you America haters had no Problem with Obama killing Bin Laden. Kinda hypocritical, it seems.



---jerry6593 on 1/10/20


It seems TRUMPISM wants to redefine EVERYTHING, including making those TRAITORS who disagree with them . Hitler systematically tore down the German Constitution line by line to get a stronghold in that country becoming a dictator.....something Trump wants to be more than anything in this world. Please study that before making any more STUPID COMMENTS Jerry. You have uncovered your absolute ignorance Jerry in matters concerning our Constitution AND our freedom to disagree .....go move to N Korea if you want those freedoms absent from your every day life, but please stop trying to persuade intelligent folks of your twisted ideas you think apply here in the USA. Maybe we should nickname you TRAITOR JERRY for pushing this false propaganda.
---kathr4453 on 1/9/20


When I woke up this morning, I was still living in America. Disagreeing with presidential policy is NOT treason.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/9/20


Jerry, Rand Paul and Senator Mike Lee ARE NOT DEMOCRATS. Let's just wait and see how many more REPUBLICANS break ranks here, who are not TRAITORS, but are those who are here to uphold the Constitution. Those who uphold our rule of law and the Constitution holding any and all branchs of government accountable to the Constitution of the USA are not traitors Jerry. You Jerry, and all who want to upend the Constitution, Are in fact THE TRAITORS TO THE USA. Making up some rule that this is just a carry over from Saddam Hussein is outrageous and false. That ignorant approach can say..."hay lets bomb Germany" and say it a carry over from WWII and bypass Congress. ONLY THE IGNORANT would be taken in by that. ARE YOU AN IGNORANT JERRY?
---kathr4453 on 1/9/20


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This question reminds me of when Bush was in office declaring "those not for us are against us". It use to be ..that is before Republican tried to manipulate others by these false statements that individuals were allowed to have their own opinion and belief in these situations. NOW we have this horrible strain of false accusers trying to accuse anyone who disagrees with them something horrible like "traitor " " against God," etc, thinking this will shame others into submission.

Stop being divisive Jerry....many are getting tired of this juvenile approach to issues.. These issues with Iran are not that simple. Calling anyone a traitor is what makes YOU the traitor.
---kathr4453 on 1/8/20


It's not "siding with our enemies". It's siding with international law. Trump threatened to destroy 52 Iranian cultural sites, a WAR CRIME. They have NO military strategic value.

How would you feel if someone bombed the Statue of Liberty? Remember the WTC. By the Golden Rule, if you don't want them doing things like that to us, we shouldn't do those things to them.

Many in the South lose their minds when people destroy Confederate statues, even though those honored really WERE traitors. Americans who didn't want to be Americans, formed their own country, and took up arms against Americans, killing hundreds of thousands, almost as many as in all other wars combined.
---StrongAxe on 1/8/20


Treason is the only crime defined in the Constitution: taking up arms against the US or giving aid and comfort to its enemies--which means to real people.

Obviously, it can be committed only during a time of declared war. Only Congress has the authority to declare war.

How are the Dems or MSM doing this?
Please be specific.

Christ is baptized! In the Jordan!
---Cluny on 1/8/20


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