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Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone,


Romans Chapter 10 more clearly define the stumbling stone and rock of offense . It's the Jews, and now today many Gentiles try to keep THE WORKS OF THE LAW ...the Law that was the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. The Law was always meant to bring us to Christ. EVERYTHING in the Law point to Jesus Christ....Just read Hebrews 10. You don't need to be MADE ALIVE FIRST to understand HEBREWS 10. But many are so steeped in the law thinking the law can save you. It Can't. Because no one can exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees but Jesus Christ! We need the Righteousness of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/20


Samuel, you say: "
But saying that because we accept Jesus after being convicted by the Holy Spirit means we save ourselves is not true. When you accept a gift that is not working to earn it.<

I did not say that. When the Holy Spirit convicts you, the Spirit has already changed your heart and made you alive. You don't save yourself. Without the Spirit changing your heart, making you alive, you will never come to Christ. You will remain spiritually dead. Unable to hear or see the Gospel of your salvation. Hope that helps.
---ven. on 7/10/20


Ven, Faith is not a work, so again like Luther he opposed the RCC works salvation . Obedience of faith Romans 16:25-27 , works of faith, Hebrews 11 lists all these awesome folks as an example to us. So no ven, I don't buy your crap that faith is works. God gave every man the ability even in our fallen nature to have faith. By faith the children if Israel obeyed God and put blood over the doorpost, and God passed over them. ALL OF THEM, NOT JUST A SELECT FEW. You a gentile have no clue what the Gospel is, or what faith is. And this same ol garbage from your reformed aka deformed doctrine doesn't change the fact that I AM SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. I am born again, and one of Gods TRUE ELECT.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/20


THE LAW OF FAITH is not works. Here are a few nuggets of GOLD Calvinist's reject.
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Romans 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone,
---kath4453 on 7/9/20


Hour list of reformers is true Ven.

But saying that because we accept Jesus after being convicted by the Holy Spirit means we save ourselves is not true. When you accept a gift that is not working to earn it.

Calvin taught those who were saved lived a life as free from sin as possible. Do you agree with that point?
---Samuelbb7 on 7/9/20




kath, the reform view didn't began with Calvin. The Reformers within the Roman Catholic Church wanted the medieval Roman Catholic Church to change the way they sold indulgences for money, and Saint Frances of Assisi, Valdes, founder of the Waldensians, John Hus, John Wycliffe reformers against the R.C.C, in the centuries before 1517. The reformer Martin Luther posted his ninety five theses, for concern over the R.C.C. theological view on the doctrine of redemption and grace with their sale of indulgences. Luther believed in Scripture alone and justification by faith, not of works. Right now you are on the R.C.C. side. Your salvation is by works Kath. If you, out of your own free will, chose Christ then salvation is by your works.
---ven. on 7/9/20


No ven you must be destined to do what you do. Still making ignorant statements. Also Calvinism IS REFORMED THEOLOGY. CALVIN INVENTED REFORMED THEOLOGY. But it's clear your still a baby on milk, needing to be hand fed still dependent on man's works that haven't even been approved of God. I know the scriptures are approved of God and have no problem understanding the scriptures. You just admitted you don't and still need man to teach you. I've got your number. You still don't understand Peter. I get it. You won't understand it either until you are saved.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/20


Kath, why use three post to say what you want to say? Look, the passage I gave you is from Scripture also. It's directed at the Jews, but when I read it, I was taking about you. "as you were destine to do" I did not know you were a Jew, then it fits you very well. Calvin, I don't know, but if he is reformed, then we both have the same beliefs. I study many books, but RCSproul and John MaCarthur, Arthur Pink are my favorites. Read their work, you might learn something. And it only took one post to tell you that.
---ven. on 7/8/20


Ven, no I'm telling you I am Jewish, but one who is Born Again. And according to Romans 11 I am one of Gods elect according to the election of Grace. When you grab verses like the stumbling stone rock of offense, having no idea what it means, ( Christian Jews DO know what that means) you show yourself to be a silly person or even child, using scripture to throw stones at someone , however that verse was never ment for you to use as a club against anyone, especially a Christian Jew who has not stumbled at the message if the cross.

I find your interpretation of scripture ven out in left field. Salvation IS OF THE JEWS, meaning WE KNOW what Salvation according to scripture is and isn't .
---kathr4453 on 7/8/20


Ven, don't play coy here. The only doctrine who believes and used the exact same scriptures with the exact words for word definitions and verbage you do is Calvinism AKA Reformed Theology . You don't even use your own words, but ones taught you by man. Like a parrot. It's no coincidence that you present the same arguments word for word without scripture. No one else teaches this doctrine. To saying you never heard of Calvin or Calvinism I believe is a lie from your lips. We're not stupid here. This is a man made religion.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/20




Romans 3:9-10 is one Calvinist's rest their hat on that all humans are depraved animals having no understanding ...OH WAIT, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT? Of God in general? of the Law that points to sin... the Pharasees thought they could live by?

But here we see Cornelius. He was not saved, nor was he made ALIVE first ,but had a fear of God , a religious man. The Angels saw this and reported it back to God, who then sent them to Peter to go to his home and share the Gospel. Then as they were hearing the Holy Spirit fell upon them.

Another, the men Paul approached, asking, "HAVE YOU RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT SINCE YOU BELIEVED" No, we've never even heard of any Holy Spirit. They believed John the Baptist preaching.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/20


Kath, I am not defending Calvinism, I am defending the Truth. You keep saying Calvinism over and over, another word you keep using is cults, and another is Mormonism. I defend the Truth, you reject the Truth. Just admit it. You get a passage and you say I change it. Why change it when the passage is very clear. I also never called you a Jew. That was someone else.
---ven. on 7/7/20


ven, just because God knows beginning to the end still does not prove Calvinism. You make all sorts of silly accusations against those who do not adhere to Calvinism. First you accused me of denying Jesus , then compare me to Jews who rejected Jesus as the Messiah, ....what next ven? You just pull false accusations out of your ear. You say all sorts of stuff and don't even back up with scripture, and when you do use scripture it's so out in left field one wonders where you get such ideas. You force scripture to say what it is not saying. This is exactly how CULTS operate. And then go wacco when questioned.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/20


Kath, you call my faith a cult. So I guess you believe in a God who does not know who He is going to save. and each morning He is happy when someone decides to chose Him. How great those people were in choosing Him. There was something good in them, but the Bible says the opposite. Scripture tells us, "What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin,
Ther is none righteous, no not one.
There is none who understands
There is none who seeks after God.
They have all turned aside
They have together become unprofitable
There is none who does good.
Romans 3:9-12.
Read and understand the real Truth what you call a cult.
---ven. on 7/6/20


ven , Just because one does not believe in your CULT doctrine, does not mean they are guilty of all your accusations here. This is what you have been taught by your cult leaders to keep you in that cult, by making you believe if you don't stay where you are that is what you become or believe. They also want to make sure you've been brainwashed to believe those who oppose are enemies of God. You couldn't be further from the truth. I actually feel sorry for you ven, and all those Satan has a stronghold over.

We are sealed and filled with the Holy Spirit AFTER WE BELIEVE, not before. Your doctrine is not grounded in the Word if God, but in mans philosophy and theories. I'll keep you in my prayers ven.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/20


Kath, just more insults, you have no truth but a lot of insults. I don't feel bad for you, you cannot help who you are. Your nature has not change. I will pray for you.
---ven. on 7/4/20


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Actually I worship God through Jesus Christ. And just to make clear ven, calling you stupid was a direct rebuke to your hypocricy that you excuse Trump for saying this to others and even worse. You have every right to be outraged, and you need to show you are outraged. In doing so, will prove what you say to me you also say to Trump. Sorry I had to tease this truth out of you, but there is more than one way to skin a cat. Or is that a saying that goes against your intellect AKA understanding?

You do know God said HYPOCRITS will not enter the Kingdom don't you? Matthew 23:13
---kathr4453 on 7/3/20


Ven, now I know you are stupid. You don't even understand English, so you are not an authority on abbreviations. Calvinism, AKA Reformed Theology, 5-6 points AKA THE TULIP, in no way distortes facts. You are just plain stupid ven. And then you want to use your own stupidity to make some federal case against me as if AKA is demonic. So moronic. Keep it up. Show yourself to others and your childish behavior in cursing others you have no clue what you are cursing. I'm actually getting a kick out of your posts. I learn something new about you every post. Infantile is what you are. And a heretic.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/20


Kath, there is no AKA gospel, no AKA cross, there is no AKA repentance. There is a Gospel, a cross, and repentance. None of those have another name plus you are not a police officers use AKA when describing an individual who has other aliases, false names.
And the cross is not something to worship. We only worship Jesus Christ.
---ven. on 7/3/20


One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. strongaxe
any man who says that one day is HOLY or sanctified is making himself god =blasphemy. it is persuaded in hiw own mind to SIN & disobey the Creator & redeemer of sinful man. i accpeted the truth of God regarding the 7th day sabbath. it is also included in God's plan of salvation. it is not an evidence of your faith. go ahead & obey the traditions of man not the commandments of God or SIN
---mike on 7/3/20


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One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. strongaxe

Ex 16 24 says how long do you refuse to obey MY commandments & laws. God said that. Persuaded in his own mind to SIN & disobey God, persuaded to obey the tradition of man not God, to twist the scriptures to be like God (blasphemy) making any day holy or sanctified, persuaded accept a lie rather Gods truth,light, life, way, persuaded to listen to the serpent than God, persuaded to abolish Gods law equals LAWLESSNESS. 7th day sabbath is truth light love God. persuaded in your own mind is a lie, sin disobedience, prov 16 25 There is a way seemeth right unto a man, but the end are ways of death.
---mike on 7/3/20


"Who has saved us and called us with a Holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began," 2 Tim. 1:9.
---ven. on 7/2/20

Yes, Jesus was foreordained before the foundation of the world to take away sin, however no where in this verse states we pre-existed. If we preexisted as a soul or spirit then we would also be said to be incarnate...meaning preexisting and then taking on flesh. The ONLY ONE WHO PREEXISTED and was incarnate, meaning was made flesh, was Jesus Christ. In the beginning was the word, and the Word was with God and the WORD WAS GOD and the WORD was made flesh. No verse says this about Adam.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/20


One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.- strongaxe.

and you are shoving your esteemeth one day over another. i keep on asking you what is thhe next verst? thanksgiving. fasting.
peter said obey God not man. 7th day is the truth not one day esteemeth over another. even isaiah 66 23 point to a new CREATION bec of a CREATOR = worship. nobody shoved sabbath on me i accepted the truth. you accepted a lie you spread. ignoring God's 7th day sabbath is disobedience & that is what the serpent said in the garden. God said obey but the serpent said no YOU ARE God. that is why there is SIN - disbedience of God's commandments.
---mike on 7/3/20


Ven, by your poor grammar, it appears you possibly might be a foreigner, or just poorly educated...who knows, however ALSO KNOWN AS ....AKA, appears you are also ignorant of what AKA means and want to somehow insult out if your own lack of education or possible ignorance, I find actually hilarious that you would even expose yourself to your ignorance by making such a stupid comment. But, I see you are grabbing at any straw to hurl insults you claim you are not doing.

I think folks here know where the insults and nasty comments are coming from. It's TRUMP UNIVERSITY tactic . Is this possibly where you got your education? Well, that makes sense then. You did not get your money's worth.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/20


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Kath, if I have to answer to you, who knows nothing but AKA stuff, I would be in trouble. I answer to God. You now say you do not like Eph. 1:4,5. I don't know what is so hard, when you say you have the Holy Spirit. The words are in English. Here, I will give you another passage:
"Who has saved us and called us with a Holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began," 2 Tim. 1:9.
---ven. on 7/2/20


ven, you still need to explain in what form you existed before the foundation of the world...soul or spirit or both. or are you saying you had a human body then too? And of coarse, with that thinking you would have to be then too, just as now, either a Jew or Gentile soul spirit or whatever. So before you go off on any more rants please supply us with at least 3 scriptures stating you existed before the foundation of the world. Using the verse in Ephesians does not make such a claim. That is something your imagination came up with because it sounds logical to the human mind. Not a transformed mind. And don't say, OH that part is a Mystery too. NO, today there are no mysteries still hidden.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/20


Kath, hello again, you posted:
"I had nothing to do with that. You alone did that. And no it's not because I'm afraid or scared or anything like that.
I knew you were not afraid of the fear of God. That is why you say what you do.
---ven. on 7/1/20


Ven, do you see where you started your post ......kath? That is what you put in your previous post where ..YOUR NAME GOES, right above your email address, not mine. So no, I had nothing to do with that. You alone did that. And no it's not because I'm afraid or scared or anything like that.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/20


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Kath, I did not write your name on my post. Maybe you had something to do with that too. You and your "Jew spirit babies" ideas. More confusion. Are you not afraid to write insults over and over? This person is scared but you are not. And you are giving the person advice. No fear of God.
---ven. on 6/30/20


Mike, I said James never taught works with faith was works of the law. He uses Abraham's works of faith in no way the law says to sacrifice your children . Rehab another example LIED protecting the spies. Lying is a sin.

Ven, your childish posts here are not worth addressing. Your acting like a immature TRUMP BABY. Its called "gaslighting" someone in hopes your kids will ruin their reputation. It won't work here ven. And use your own name when posting. Your posts are showing you are losing control, a sign you are not walking in the Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/20


James never taught works if the law.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/20

1st of all peter warned about LAWLESS men.
2nd james chapter 2 -he mentioned about murder - that is the Law of God.
3. if grace is God's love toward US, then how do we express our love towards God? john 14:15 - if you love me keep my commandments
the Law of God does NOT & will NOT save you. the Law of God are works that are evidence of a believers faith & it defines SIN.
kath4453 is preaching lawlessness
---mike on 6/29/20


Kath, no one is perfect, the only perfect Person was and still is, Jesus Christ. No other person living is perfect.
I have proof, YOU, are my proof. You don't even know who Jesus is in His nature. And you talk a lot about Jesus and the cross. Learn His nature and attributes, Read about Him in the Old Testament. God has to open your eyes, I cannot do it myself, He is the one who opens our eyes and ears, and the only One who changes hearts.
---Kath on 6/29/20


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Just more of ven explaining away God's Word because he doesn't understand it. I say, if you don't understand scripture you should not be teaching it.

We are also told to be ye Holy as He is Holy, yet the pudknocker will explain that away too by saying only God is Holy and God never meant it either, showing again a shallow understanding of scripture. But there are MANY MANY verses RE "perfect" that ven cannot explain away.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/20


Matthew 5:48, ""Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your father in heaven is perfect"
Here God set an unattainable standard. This standard is impossible to meet. God could not lower it without compromising His own perfection. He who is perfect could not set an imperfect standard of righteousness.
Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of UZ, whose name was job, and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God and shunned evil."
First. some translations have perfect and others blameless. The word is (Tam) meaning complete.
Job was not perfect, he went against God, so for a while he was God's adversary. He complained to God over and over and God answered him in Job 38:4-41,
---ven. on 6/28/20


Again, justification is not the subject here. And now that we are saved, it's our WORKS OF FAITH, THOSE WORKS God has before ordained we should walk in. Stephen was FORORDAINED to be stoned to death. Peter, ....Jesus told him before hand what would become of him. John, a different end. All saved by grace, all chosen by God still continued the works of faith. Just as JUST aka JUSTIFIED NOAH built an ark. MOSES by faith led Israel to the promise land. There is no LAW HERE. As James states , our works of FAITH , prove we are saved. And follow our salvation. James never taught works if the law.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/20


1 John 3:9 - Whoever is born of God does not sin, For his seed remain in him and can not sin because he has been born of God,

Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by Works of the law, but by the faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus , that we might be justified by the faith in Christ and not by works of the law, , For by works of the law no flesh shall be justified,

( The permise is: Works in the law don't save you , Faith does , and because of Faith try to keep the law and do good works, This is a part of faith, But you still have a body of flesh and can falter , )
---RichardC on 6/27/20


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Adejoke, It's beneficial to look to scripture and see what God, not ven's advice offering no scripture, and see about the word perfect. Here are some scriptures you should read, and with the teaching of the Holy Spirit, the Lord WILL transform your mind to understand.
Matt 5:48
Job1:1
Psalms 37:37
Luke 8:14
John 17:23
Romans 12:2
1Corinthians 2:6
2Cor 7:1
2 Cor 12:9
2 Cor 13:9
2 Cor 13:11
Galatians 3:3
***EPH 4:4 and 4:13 ***
Phil 3:12, 3:15
Colossians 1:28 ...READ FROM VERSE 24
COL 4:12
2 Timothy 3:17
Heb 2:10 Heb 5:9, HEB 6:1
Heb 13:21
James 1:4, 2:22
1Peter 5:10
1 John 4:17
Rev 3:2
---kathr4453 on 6/27/20


Adejoke, you will never be perfect, and never compare yourself to anyone. You are still a sinner, we all are. No one can get points, we are all fall short of the glory of God. What matters is that you have a love for Christ. If you don't have it you need to come to Christ.
---ven. on 6/27/20


Interestingly, Paul was caught up to the third heaven, aka paradise and God revealed to Paul the Gospel according to THE MYSTERY, something that was not revealed until after Jesus rose from the dead. Colossians 1:24-27 tell us what that mystery is, CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY. Now growing up into Christ Ephesians 4, God gave Gifts to the Church, aka HIS BODY of believers aka those saved, as a way to bring us into the fullness and stature of Christ, aka MATURITY, known again as our sanctification. Sanctify them through thy truth THY WORD IS TRUTH.

Also James 1 is how the Lord begins our journey to maturity, that we may be perfect and complete lacking nothing.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/20


Ven, so Jesus saying don't throw your pearls to the swine was not spoken in the power of the Holy Spirit, you say Jesus then sinned making that statement ...correct? Hummm...interesting. No one has insulted you ven, you asked a question about Romans 12 as though you thought it was talking to lost people, as you CONTINUED to say lost people. You continued to misrepresent me and those verses, bringing a rebuke to yourself within our right to rebuke you and call you out for your harassment. Then you post here again as if the verses are talking about salvation. WRONG, the verses are talking about SERVICE. And our sanctification ...not our justification. So again, in thinking you are correcting me , you failed to understand Romans 12 again.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/20


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Kath, if the Holy Spirit is working through you, is He "the Holy spirit" making you throw all those insults you throw at me and everyone who doesn't agree with you?
The Holy Spirit corrects people, teaches people, transforms minds. Which was the answer to my question to you. God, through the Holy Spirit changes the heart towards God, and transforms the minds of those who are being saved.
---ven. on 6/26/20


Adegoke, I want to apologize to you for ven insinuating you are a lost person. My answer was to your question above, my believing you are not a lost person. Paul too in Romans 12 is not addressing lost people but Christians. Just remember when Moses was called to serve God and bring Israel out of Egypt, God had to work with Moses for 40 years before sending him. Paul himself spent 8 years alone with the Lord learning before doing Gods will, that is Taking the Gospel to the Gentiles . So we see each Christian is given a "GIFT " FOR MINISTRY OR SERVICE, Romans 12, Ephesians 4, and our service is in keeping with our Gift. Our Gift is the Holy Spirit working through us.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/20


Ven, a good Christian does not throw his pearls to the swine. That is also being obedient to the Lord. Had you asked me nicely with an ernest and sincere heart to know the answer, I would more than love to share with you. However your attacks and stalking , scoffing at what I write, stating the CROSS is only a peace of wood,...your attempt to make fun of my post at CHRISTS expense, seeing Paul refers to THE CROSS in scripture and never insinuates it's a peace of wood. Since you never apologized, you put yourself in the category of swine, and as a good Christian I will not allow you to trample the Word of God with my posts. I only see guile in your conversations with me.

Move on Ven.
---kathr4453 on 6/25/20


Kath, you wrote an exposition on Romans 12, and in it you said "first you had to have a transformed mind" so I asked you how a lost person goes about getting a transform mind? an now you claim I didn't take my med's, for asking you a simple question. So before you throw more insults, showing what a good Christian you are, you should answer the simple question.
---ven. on 6/25/20


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I corrected Ven on 6/18.....

Ven, exactly where did I say a person gives himself a transformed mind? Your question to me has exposed you considerably. I said OBEDIENCE TO ROMANS 12:1-2 is the first step in that direction. and without that obedience to Romans 12:1-2 you still have your worldly carnal mind, easily programmed by men and false teachers , as you demonstrate here just perfectly, claiming you know EVERYTHING yet does not have the Mind if Christ, (one must first have to know the will of God) .

What makes you think that verse does not apply to you? Because YOU were asked to obey something? Does that offend Calvinism? If you have obeyed Romans 12:1-2 you would have known this answer yourself......
---kathr4453 on 6/18/20
---kathr4453 on 6/24/20


Kath, you stated on this post on 5/30/20, when you spoke of Romans 12, " . First you need a transformed mind to even know the Will of God, and exactly what pleases him
So my question to you was, "how does a lost person give himself a transform mind if he is lost, dead in trespasses and sins?'
pretty simple.
---ven. on 6/21/20


Ven, are you off your meds today? Yes, you took my Romans 12 and asked me the above question.

Something is seriously wrong with you. Now you have become a TROLL.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/20


Romans 12:1-2

12 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Ven has a difficult time with this passage. I think because it goes against the grain of Calvinism. Also I never said we can give ourselves a transformed mind. I said one must have one to know the will of God, as this verse clearly show. Now if ven has a problem with this, he needs to ask the Lord to explain it to him. Paul is talking to Christians .
---kathr4453 on 6/24/20


Kath, I never said Romans 12 was about the lost. Not one time.
Here is my statment,"
Kath can you explain how a person can give himself a transformed mind? you said to Adegoke: " First you need a transformed mind to even know the Will of God, and exactly what pleases him."

Just how does a person go about transforming his mind? It would be a real lesson for the day. How about a person changing his own heart with his free will? can he do that.
---ven. on 6/17/20"
You answered many times avoiding the questions. I am still waiting.
---ven. on 6/24/20


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I keep finding so much I can agree with. God bless and keep all of ya'll.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/22/20


Adegoke_Temilade, so the point of my first reply to you is this. One day as Christians our works will be judged , the wood hay and stubble will burn up, and only the GOLD SILVER AND PRECIOUS STONE will remain. This can be explained this way, those things we do according to God's will THROUGH JESUS CHRIST...GAL2:20 are GOLD SILVER PRECIOUS STONE, and things we may think are great may not be according to GOD'S WILL. example. Jesus could have come and just fed the poor or started an orphanage ....It may look awesome to some, but to the Father, that was not God's will. Same with our lives. Even the lost can start an orphanage.

More later Adegoke_Temilade. Bless you.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/20


Ven, Romans 12 is not to lost people. So why do you keep insisting I tell you how to apply Romans 12 to a lost person? You're taking a serious subject and making it your joke. No Christian would EVER do such a thing.

BUT BACK to service.....Paul shows us the will of God through his own life and testimony he records all through the NT, but especially Philippians 3 ..the whole chapter should become our own hearts desire after we are justified by faith in Him. But these things are WROUGHT in us as James 2:22 show. Interesting word WROUGHT. But all this wrought in begins with James 1.... Through the trials of our faith. That we may become PERFECT AND ENTIRE LACKING NOTHING. Notice the word perfect here in James 1 and Phil 3.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/20


Kath, you stated on this post on 5/30/20, when you spoke of Romans 12, " . First you need a transformed mind to even know the Will of God, and exactly what pleases him
So my question to you was, "how does a lost person give himself a transform mind if he is lost, dead in trespasses and sins?'
pretty simple question.



Concerning this blog, if you are serving God, that's all you can do. You might see others doing more but it is "God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure" Philippians 2:13.
---ven. on 6/21/20


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After we are saved, in order to be "approved unto God" , ( FOR SERVICE) which we need to be approved by God to do HIS WILL, is to study the Word and the POWER OF THE WORD THROUGH OBEDIENCE transforms our lives. Also, Jesus came to do THE WILL OF GOD, not His own. So one must first know "the will of God " for service. We also have a few places , one Ephesians 4 that we are to GROW UP INTO HIM, and not be tossed and turned by every wind of doctrine....having been EXERCISED , able to eat strong meat, ( not milk) to discern both good and evil. Another is being conformed to His image Phil ch 3 details further is being conformed to His death.

More later
---kathr4453 on 6/21/20


Ven, your acting very childish here on this blog. I was the third person who posted to the person asking the question about serving God. He wasn't asking about salvation. You made some accusation based on Calvinism as how someone not saved can have a transformed mind. NO WHERE but your own imagination said anything about salvation.

Now you keep using your nonsense to accuse and assault me over and over, not listening to yourself or even reading why you were off base.

I understand you are upset I expose Calvinism, however THIS BLOG where I posted Romans 12:1-2 is not about salvation. You keep trying to change he subject here. STOP.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/20


Kath, I did make a mistake and answered you on the wrong post.
You had mentioned a person needed a transform mind, I asked you how he would get that transform mind. I guess you threw me off with all you nasty remarks. I see you do that to anyone who disagrees with you. I have read a lot of your post, you are every where.
---ven. on 6/20/20


To serve God the first thing you have to do is, "Make yourself avaiable", (No conditions.) Second, the Bible state He will give us the desires of our heart, so what do you want to do? Third, what training do you need to accomplish this desire. (It may be on the job training, collage, trade school etc) Fourth,write down plans on how you are going to achieve your desires, (Give yourself a timeline.) Be sure you are flexible and allow the Lord to adjust your plans if needed. Don't worry about about failing - trust the Lord to correct you if needed, right now Satan seems to be causing you to be scared - not God!
---wivv on 6/20/20


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Ven, you changed the subject to salvation, unless your comment is suggesting the person posting the question is not saved. That's the only other explanation. Again, you are sifting through all my posts to try to find something you can start a food fight with, and it backfired ven. If you can't read, please stop making up false scenarios and then attacking.
---kathr4453 on 6/19/20


Kath, I was answering to the statement you had put down. Instead of answering my questions, you resort to name calling. I wonder how you get along with your neighbors, or your friends and family.
---ven. on 6/19/20


Ven you are so bent on accusing and scoffing, you failed to even read the question. It's about SERVICE not SALVATION.

Now when you decide to GROW UP, unless it's not in Gods will, stop using every question to shove down everyone's throat the false doctrine of Calvinism .

Folks, after you are saved by GRACE through faith please obey Romans 12:1-2 so that you may KNOW the perfect will of God to serve him ....after all IT IS YOUR REASONABLE SERVICE....to those who can read. If you can't read and must rely on CULTS to teach you don't apply, seeing you are not saved first. Just more Paul is speaking to CHRISTIANS, not the unsaved...to those who can read .
---kathr4453 on 6/19/20


Kath, now you complain again, you now say:
<>" I said OBEDIENCE TO ROMANS 12:1-2 is the first step in that direction. and without that obedience to Romans 12:1-2 you still have your worldly carnal mind"
how do people lost obey God, if they don't know God? You say it's the first step. Did you not know that the god of this world has blinded the minds of men from the truth about his existence, his rule on earth, and his fate in God's plan.
The minds of the lost are blinded, 2 Corinthians 4:3,4:
"But even if our Gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this world has blinded, who do not believe,..."
As you can see your idea is impossible. Wrong Gospel.
---ven. on 6/18/20


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Ven, exactly where did I say a person gives himself a transformed mind? Your question to me has exposed you considerably. I said OBEDIENCE TO ROMANS 12:1-2 is the first step in that direction. and without that obedience to Romans 12:1-2 you still have your worldly carnal mind, easily programmed by men and false teachers , as you demonstrate here just perfectly, claiming you know EVERYTHING yet does not have the Mind if Christ, (one must first have to know the will of God) .

What makes you think that verse does not apply to you? Because YOU were asked to obey something? Does that offend Calvinism? If you have obeyed Romans 12:1-2 you would have known this answer yourself. It's right there in black and white.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/20


Kath can you explain how a person can give himself a transformed mind? you said to Adegoke: " First you need a transformed mind to even know the Will of God, and exactly what pleases him."
Just how does a person go about transforming his mind? It would be a real lesson for the day. How about a person changing his own heart with his free will? can he do that.
---ven. on 6/17/20


All who get Netflix should watch a new release called American Gospel. Wow, amazing.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/20


Mike, I wanted to bring something to your attention concerning the law, it is that when a person introduces the law, you do away with Grace. Here is why, law and grace are in opposition to each other.
The Law was given in the Old Testament, Moses was the mediator. It is the law of the Covenant God made with Israel.
Grace is an expression of Gods kindness and favor under the New Covenant, with Jesus Christ as our Mediator.So much different. It is unlimited an unmerited favor bestowed by God apart from anything we have done.
I hope what I said helps you. Take care brother.
---ven. on 6/8/20


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Samuelbb7:

You wrote: Sabbath is a day of worship and rest.

The Bible clearly says that the Sabbath is a day where rest is mandated - i.e. in the Law of Moses, work on the Sabbath is not merely discouraged, it is punished with execution by stoning.

However, I can't find anywhere that it says that the Sabbath is a day of worship. Can you enlighten me? I'm not talking about the special holy days, e.g. "holy convocations" (that I talked about earlier), some of which do involve worship, but only about the weekly Sabbaths.
---StrongAxe on 6/8/20


Samuel, I believe you and Mike hold on to the Law too much. The law was there to show us our sin. Breaking one shows we sin before the law. now that we know our sins and that we are sinners before God, people now know they are in need of salvation. Without the law we would not know what sin was.
We know we are sinners now saved by the Grace of God. I know Seven Day Adventist honor are worship on Saturdays, which I don't see anything wrong. But if you want to worship only Saturdays that means you don't worship God every day? We are Christians now, we are in Christ, born of the Spirit, we worship our Lord everyday.
---ven. on 6/8/20


mike:

Bible mentions "holy convocation" in only 3 places:

Exodus 12:16 and Numbers 28:18 say first AND seventh days are holy convocations, but these are only about Passover.

Lv 23:2-3 about normal Sabbaths. This prohibits work, but says NOTHING about worship. (note, Samuelbb7)

The rest of Lv 23 and Nu 28-29 are about special holy days, NOT normal Sabbaths.

Acts 17:2, 18:4: REASON, not WORSHIP
Rev 14:7: says worship God. NOTHING about "sabbath"

You have yet to show any scripture that FORBIDS worship on any day except the Sabbath.
---StrongAxe on 6/2/20


Mike that is not the meaning of Colossians 2. You fail to grasp it's meaning because you don't understand the whole chapter. That part IS SUMMARIZING the verses before. BUT THE BODY IS OF CHRIST....gives you a clue. Start with Colossians Chapter 1 and slowly read exactly WHAT and WHO make up the body of Christ....and WHY the CHURCH is not under law....KINGDOM LAW the 1000 year reign of Christ AKA A SHADDOW OF THINGS TO COME. We are not under LAW OR KINGDOM LAW . Why is that hard for you to understand? Because you don't want to understand it, or because your not IN CHRIST AKA THE BODY OF CHRIST?
---kathr4453 on 6/2/20


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mike:

As I have said repeatedly, I DON'T hate the 7th day sabbath. I'm totally fine with it. If you want to worship on Saturday, more power to you!

What I hate is when people try to shove Saturday down everyone's throat as "the only day when you're allowed to worship, because that's what the Bible says". I ALSO hate it when people try to shove Sunday down everyone's throat for the same reason.

Your argument about Col 2:16 might have weight, except for Romans 14:5
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Those who INSIST on Saturday are NOT ALLOWING others to be persuaded in their own minds.
---StrongAxe on 6/2/20


Strongaxe Acts 17:2 paul went into the synagogue on 3 sabbaths day he reasoned
Acts 18:4 every Sabbath paul reasoned in the synagogue.
Rev 14:7- fear God & WORSHIP HIM WHO MADE THE HEAVEN & earth the 7th day Sabbath describes creation
Lev 23:3 the Sabbath rest HOLY CONVOCATION or HOLY gathering. (1st day holy gathering NO)
Isaiah 66:23- from one SABBATH to another, all flesh come to WORSHIP BEFORE ME
GOD SAID IT NOT MAN

cardinal gibbons admits
You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, you will not find a single line authorizing sanctification of Sunday. Scriptures enforce religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
---mike on 6/2/20


mike: & Strongax.

Sabbath is a day of worship and rest. Also as Jesus said a day to do good works.

We can get together and worship every day of the week if we wish. The Sabbath was set up in Genesis as a Holy time.

I believe Romans 14:5 is about seeking truth.

Correct we are to not being judging others. As a Seventh day Adventist I am judged many times. But I will do what Jesus said and let him be the judge. Not my job.

Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 6/2/20


Strongaxe Acts 17:2 paul went into the synagogue on 3 sabbaths day he reasoned
Acts 18:4 every Sabbath paul reasoned in the synagogue.
Rev 14:7- fear God & WORSHIP HIM WHO MADE THE HEAVEN & earth the 7th day Sabbath describes creation
Lev 23:3 the Sabbath rest HOLY CONVOCATION or HOLY gathering. (1st day holy gathering NO)
Isaiah 66:23- from one SABBATH to another, all flesh come to WORSHIP BEFORE ME
GOD SAID IT NOT MAN

cardinal gibbons admits
You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, you will not find a single line authorizing sanctification of Sunday. Scriptures enforce religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
---mike on 6/2/20


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strongaxe
why are you using col 2:16 when you hate the 7th day sabbath. the believers who celebrated the FEASTS OF THE LORD & observed the 7th day sabbath were accused & judged by the non believers & pagan worshipper in present day turkey. you are a liar. that is the meaning of col 2:16 let no man judge you who KEEP THE 7TH DAY SABBATH NOT 1st day or christmas or easter.
---mike on 6/1/20


Adegoke, I believe Romans 12:1-2 tell us what God wants from us....and I know if you obey those verses, the Lord will live and work through you. God wants to work through you. First you need a transformed mind to even know the Will of God, and exactly what pleases him. Then God will work in you to will and to do of His good pleasure. Where or what the Lord may call you to may be different than what He may call another to. He will give you a GIFT OF THE SPIRIT, for the work of the ministry. Ephesians 4.....will explain.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/20


mike:

I asked you on another blog to show where the Bible says "Thou shalt worship on the Sabbath, and the Sabbath alone" or "Thou are forbidden to worship on any other day but the Sabbath". (Keeping the Sabbath "holy" is about refraining from work, not "worship".)

I also asked what YOU think Paul meant in Romans 14:5:
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

and Colossians 2:16:
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

so why do YOU judge others on their respect of Sabbath days?
---StrongAxe on 5/30/20


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