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President Trump just signed an executive order after Twitter fact checked the President. It is a violation of freedom of speech. What are your thoughts?

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Axe, I voted for Trump. I always wanted the best for our country. I didn't like the things that went on with Obama and his group. He had no honor for our flag, which is very important to me. Second, he was for the Palestinians. Against Israel. Third, he gave Iran all that money in the shadow of darkness, enough money to equip the Iranians with many weapons to kill many Americans. And how about what happened in Benghazi?
H. Clinton really messed up many were killed.
With Trump, I do not like the way he response when others attack him. Even during the elections he called every person running against him names. He showed a lack of respect for others. The thing is he is not a politician.
---ven. on 6/18/20

ven, not according to John Bolton , a Republican like so many who have exposed Trump that he is not for anything but himself and his reelection. Many Republicans are speaking out against Trump, so this idea it's the demon left shows how ignorant those who watch only Faux and Fiends are, and should really broaden their reading information. Being told watching anything but Faux and a Fiends will send you to Hell is why you all are so uninformed. Seems Trumps Niece Mary has much to say too. Seems she was instrumental in exposing the Tax evasions NY and the NYT has exposed and will file charges , not even Biden when elected will be able to pardon. Trump May after all ask Gods forgiveness for his sin when he sees a prison sentence handed down.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/20


After Trump ws elected, I WANTED him to succeed, because I love this country more than I love or hate any political party. Sadly, that home was misplaced, as Trump does not share the same priorities - he considers himself a president of only the people who voted for him, and considers all citizens who did not do so his enemies, rather than his charges.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/20


Going down the ramp isn't a big deal, but that PLUS not being able to hold a glass of water in one hand is a cause for concern. Feeblness wouldn't normally be an issue, except YOU made it one first, and TRUMP did too by mocking Biden's health.

You complain about Biden "losing his train of thought". Have you ever listened to Trump's speeches? Much of the time, he can't keep a coherent thought from the beginning of one sentence to the end of that same sentence. He often goes on digressions in the middle of the sentence. I remember one speech that was such a garble of word salad that it was about five pages long without ONE SINGLE SENTENCE in it, just half-completed clauses that interrupted other half-completed clauses.
---StrongAxe on 6/17/20

It is a shame that so many are working against Trump. They want him to fail no matter what happens to our country. Just about every newspaper company, TV stations, and the left in congress have made stories that are lies. They have not done anything for the people because they spent all of their energy looking for ways to make Trump fail, They even go on the side of China, and other countries. They tried Muller, and they could not find anything on Trump. They also show no respect for his wife. She has done nothing wrong to anyone. The hate is very bad, But God has protected him to this day. Everything he has done, he has done it for this country.
---ven. on 6/17/20

His old man walk down the ramp was funny because of all the times he ridiculed others for looking weak. He was suggesting that Hilary was on the brink of death for a stumble. When he get his weakness pointed to it irritates him that he has to use two hands to get a drink of water.

But he is just getting what he has dished out. What goes around comes around.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/17/20

Axe, anyone going down a ramp is careful unless they don't care about falling down. Those in the left are always looking for things to criticize, they just hate him for winning. And will again when he wins again. Second: The left is trying to go Socialist. They keep pushing more and more that way. I am not fighting for my life, I am old, but I care about the lives of my family. Whatever God has ordained will happen no matter where I like it or not.
---ven. on 6/16/20

Trump uses his lies like weapons and as many demagogues before him.

You can fools some of the People all of the time. Just watch Trump followers.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/15/20


Just the other day, Trump had trouble walking down a ramp, and he could hardly even hold a glass of water - he needed both hands.

Biden goes to church on a regular basis. Trump doesn't (except for photo ops). When asked to name his favorite Bible passage, Trump refused, saying his religion is a private matter. It's more likely he's never read it. Once before, he was asked what part of the Bible he likes, and he said "the eye for eye part", something no Christian should prefer.

Biden did a good job as VP for 8 years, but world leaders (except maybe Putin) universally loathe and disrespect Trump.

How do the left want to "change our way of life and our history"? I'm curious to know.
---StrongAxe on 6/15/20

Ven, I was quoting you silly...and showing how silly your comment was. If Biden wins its ALSO GODS WILL. You can't have it both ways.

But I'm still curious why God would pick Trump, over Pence? Surely if God is in control, Trump didn't need to slander Biden to try to win. Also Pence would surely bring GLORY TO GOD, which is what GODS HOLINESS IS ABOUT. God does not choose anyone who brings shame to Christianity by lying, cheating, slandering his enemies, that even Jesus Paul or any disciples NEVER lowered themselves to. We are NEVER to bring shame to Christianity that the unsaved world can accuse. Your God is not the God of scripture ven. Repent.

IF God has created ROBOTS , then He certainly could have put Pence in office .
---kathr4453 on 6/15/20

Axe, Biden does not know where he is at. He loses his train of though. He is for abortion. He does not show himself a Christian. He can barely walk. In front of other leaders they would eat him alive. He is for the left, and they want to change our way of life and our history, they have gone bananas.
---ven. on 6/15/20

If you have an issue with fact checkers and insinuate they lie, where is your proof? I believe they document their facts with proof. They prove there was no such thing as a Bowling Green an example. I'm sure they search news outlets, check the dates , even go to Bowling Green personally and try to find where this massacure took place, interview the families of those massacure days only to be looked at with wonderment of their sanity. Pictures of Trumps inauguration is a FACT that cannot be disputed, no matter what one wants to say. Claiming you are responsible for the recent lift off space program, can be checked that Bush and Obama were actually responsible. It's not rocket science Jerry. Everyone can check facts.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/20

Kath, you must not understand one ioda concerning the will of God. You write,
"Wow what doublemindedness ....if Trump wins its the will of God, if the other guy wins..God help us all???????
Whoever wins it will be the will of God. In His plan, all these that is happening is already written down. But I say, if the other guy wins, God help us all. Our country will never be the same. Whatever leader we get, he will be their by the will and purpose of God. If God wants to bring disaster to this country, He has already picked who is right for the job. We still need to vote our hearts. We will be held responsible. I choose against abortion.
---ven. on 6/15/20


Facts are there for anyone to find. Fact checkers are people who take it upon themselves to research facts (like the Bereans, who Paul praised for doing so). They don't just publish their conclusions, but they also provide references to the facts that they use, so that others can review and corroborate that research. This is also how science works.

Anyone else has access to the same facts, and can do the same research. If they come to different conclusions, they should publish THEIR research, and others can look at both sets of research, and judge for themselves.

If YOU don't like the answers, YOU can also do your own research the same way, and share it with others.
---StrongAxe on 6/15/20

I have just one question:

Who fact checks the fact checker?

---jerry6593 on 6/15/20

//If for some reason the other guy wins, God help us all/// ven

Wow what doublemindedness ....if Trump wins its the will of God, if the other guy wins..God help us all???????

See, this proves ven doesn't even believe his own doctrine, proving it is man taught. A double minded man is unstable in ALL HIS WAYS.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/20

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I naver said violence was OK. Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I said POLICE THEMSELVES are to blame for the violence, as their outrageous actions resulted in protests WORLDWIDE. THEY escalate violence by planting agents provocateur among protesters.

In 2016, I believed Trump was the worst possible candidate. I was surprised he got elected, but I was willing to accept that, and I honestly hoped that he would grow out of his immature histrionics and change to become a mature and presidential president. Sadly, that hope was terribly naive. On a practically daily basis, Trump has done despicable and disgusting things, and continues to do so.

Why do you think Biden will be so much worse? I'm really curious to know.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/20

Axe, you continue to stand with the violence, that is fine with me. I am not here to change you way of thinking. None of us can. You are a hater of Trump way before the Protest. If for some reason the other guy wins, God help us all,God help this country. If Trump wins the same haters will still be there.
---ven. on 6/14/20

You ven did not hear the words of any of these military. They said no such thing. They CLEARLY SAID it goes against the Constitution for the Military to align with political agenda. They clearly stated the photo opt. That political agenda included the photo opt in front of a Church pandering to evangelicals. The military or President did not involve themselves in the 1921 violent murders and assault against Black American Citizens in Tulsa .
---kathr4553 on 6/14/20


Police often tried to provoke peaceful protestors to violence, as an excuse to retaliate with force. There are videos of police slashing protesters' tires.

Palettes of bricks "conveniently" appeared at many protests, to encourage protesters to vionelty riot. Some captured video of what looked like plain clothes policemen placing bricks.

One man dressed in black calmly smashed Home Depot windows. When protesters asked why, and was he a cop, he ran away - NOT the action of a violent rioter.

One peacful protester died because tear gas aggravated her asthma.

Trump had peaceful protesters teargassed so he could get his photo-op holding a book he never reads in front of a church he never attends.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/20

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Kath, I know I cannot get to you. But here is an answer to your remarks.
The Military general that was in disagreement with Trump. He was upset that Trump might use troops to help with the riots. Governors did nothing, mayors did nothing. Stores were looted, some were burned, God let go of one of His restrains and allowed them to show their true nature.
He is letting you go of the same restrains of Romans 13:1. Don't make anymore excuses. You do not want to do what God commands you to do.
You speak of 1921, you probably were not even born yet. Many other thing happened in the 1800's, and also 1500's, many things happen to Jesus also. I don't hear you crying for Jesus. Are you protesting for Jesus?
---ven. on 6/14/20

Ven, Romans 13:1 does not command citizens who are also Christians and say they can't protest in America under our constitution. Those in authority here are those who wrote the Constitution, not those who want to redefine the Constitution. We now have several in the Military PUBLICALLY regretting walking with Trump, because it defiled the Constitution. They are not in submission to Trump. Why is that so hard for you to understand. We are not in Russia or N. Korea.

No one has addressed the horrible massacure in Tulsa OK in 1921....White's murdering and burning down successful Black businesses. And that racism is still in Tulsa. Nothing will change if folks are bullied into shutting up by those who misinterpret scripture.
---kathr4453 on 6/13/20

Kath, people have the right to protest. But not the burning of businesses, stealing, attacking policeman. What about the justice for the cop who was murdered? No one burned stores.
You are another person who opposes the command of God in Romans 13:1. And you call yourself a Christian, and speak like you know so much about God. Yes you know God because Romans 2:20-22. "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the thing s that are made even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thought, and their foolish hearts were darkened."
---ven. on 6/13/20

yes we have privileged white boys getting off with a slap on the wrist for rape.Seems Faux and Fiends don't advertise this kind of news. Wanting a fair and just government is not evil or disobedience to Romans 13:1. OUR CONSTITUTION has made provisions written by Christians with Christianity at its core give everyone the right to protest and hold our government accountable. It's so funny those who claim the Constitution is exclusively Christian seems to reject the very 1st amendment.SHAME! Those in authority gave us the legal right to protest. Maybe in Paul's time, no country had such a constitution. So those who protest are not disobeying Romans 13:1 in America anyway.

Stand up for righteousness under the laws of our country.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/20

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Americans used to be best at many things. As a result, they have become complacent and lost that, but are still under the delusion that they're the best at everything.

Google: Baylor rape. James Troiano. Brock Turner. Shane Piche.


Pastors virtue signal by saying God is punishing US because of abortion, LGBTQ, etc. Funny, as Jesus never mentioned these.

God never punished US because of stealing land from previous owners and murdering millions of them, or centuries of slavery and oppression, or greedy corporations gobbling up land and becoming rich off the backs of exploited workers, or 50% of marriages ending in divorce - ALL of which the Bible condemns.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/20

Here's where I stand assessing our Country. After watching "American Gospel" Netflix, it just brought to the forefront why God has allowed this country to come unglued ....everything we are seeing is as a result of ONE THING, the falling away and promoting a false gospel around the world. Trump clearly having one of those False Teachers Paula White. Stopping abortion is not going to FIX this country, or even siding with Israel will not protect us. Repenting of our evil ways, Trumps version of capitalism with the WOF version of the Gospel. We see all this wealth , health , prosperity etc crashing down around us....I believe is the hand of God, not Satan, so ven in that respect I do believe God is in control.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/20

Axe, every government is corrupt to some extend. Even with everything going on we are still one of the best governments in the world. But you want to oppose Romans 13:1 so you try to make excuses. Romans 13:1 was putt there to become one of the restrains against evil. You are like those who are out stealing and taking over the country with violence, overthrowing Romans 13:1. Evil wanting to do away with Government.
In order to stop human beings from killing one another God put many different restrains. You try to oppose one of His retrains.
And no, I did not vote for Obama, I opposed abortion you heard me say that already.
---ven. on 6/12/20

Axe, you also say: "When a white man rapes a woman and gets probation because "prison would harm his future", but a black man is killed for possibly defrauding a business out of 20 dollars, that is pretty corrupt."
Where did the white man get probation for raping someone?There is thousands of criminals, black, white, brown and yellow, pick one.
You don't get it, the fallen world is made up of nothing but sinners, some worse then others. You have decided to pick on one of Gods retrains just like all those looting and stilling answering to no one.
---ven. on 6/12/20

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I love Re: Cornelius. Here is someone who is not saved. Yet he had a desire to know God. God didn't just swoop down and born him again first before He sent Peter to explain to him the Gospel of Salvation. As Peter was preaching THE HOLY SPIRIT empowering Gods word came upon them. "Then" Cornelius and family were saved.

Faith comes by HEARING the WORD OF GOD. Cornelius was religious, but was not saved. Salvation is the result of the Preaching of Christ Crucified.

Just another fact Calvinist's explain away, because it interferes with their false doctrine.

Next..look at the scripture re the Eunuch and Philip. He asked Philip to explain Isaiah 53. Resulting in the Eunuch's salvation. The GOSPEL HAS POWER...
---kathr4453 on 6/11/20


You wrote: But we are not under a corrupt government.

What makes you think we are not under a corrupt government? When a white man rapes a woman and gets probation because "prison would harm his future", but a black man is killed for possibly defrauding a business out of 20 dollars, that is pretty corrupt.

When politicians have health care for life and vote themselves pay raises while cutting our health care and refusing minimum wage increases, that is pretty corrupt.

When politicians vote in the interests of lobbyists who fund their re-election campaigns rather than what's good for their voters, that is pretty corrupt.

So again, did you support Obama during his 8 years in office?
---StrongAxe on 6/11/20

In answer to your question concerning a corrupt government, and they asked me to do something that was bad to someone else, I would refuse. God would know why I refused. But we are not under a corrupt government. You are comparing something that is not close, to oppose the passage of Romans 13:1.
So no matter what command God gives us you try to find something to oppose the command.
But concerning your question, I would still be subject to the government. Those evil people in power God put them in power. Everyone in history God put in power. They are there to do the will of God.
---ven. on 6/11/20

Kath, free will, a very good word to use to make sure the person lost has the right to choose Christ or to reject Him. If he is lost, doesn't he have to be found? If his heart is fallen how will he make a choice for Christ? If he is blind how will he see Christ? If he is deaf how will he hear the Word?
If he has no love for Christ how will he love Him?
The Bible tells us that fallen man is dead in trespasses and sin. walking with the devil, the prince and power of the air. You have fallen man walking side by side with Christ trying to make a decision. You have many questions to answer with your free will.
---ven. on 6/11/20

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You keep avoiding the question, so I ask it a third time:

If a corrupt government demands you perform an action you believe is wrong, what would you do?

1) Do it, knowingly acting against your own conscience (and thus sinning), or

2) Refuse, thus violating your own belief that governing authorities must be obeyed?

If you truly believe governing authorities must always be obeyed, you have only the two choices above, so which is it? And if you have a third choice, please explain how that fits in with your understanding of Romans 13:1.

Also, do you believe the U.S. is an illegitimate nation because it unlawfully rebelled against Great Britain, in defiance of Romans 13:1?
---StrongAxe on 6/11/20

The Church is not Israel nor are we under a THEOCRACY. Also in Israel, there were good Kings and awful Kings, often times bringing divisions in Israel. A good example would be during Jeremiahs time. Jeremiah was a prophet who preached against the sins of Israel and her rulers. Many today speak against our own corrupt government and our leaders. So ven is all wet behind the ears there too.

Gosh, look at so many missionaries who defied the laws of Russia and China back in the day who smuggled in BIBLES against those countries laws and rulers. who held underground bible studies all risking their live. And the multitudes today risking their lives to preach the Gospel defying governments disobeying their laws forbidding Christianity.
---kathr4453 on 6/11/20

Axe, in history most of the people followed what was ask of them, but there were some that didn't do what was ask of them. In fact Israel failed to do what God asked of them and God had to teach them a we are commanded to be subject to the governing authorities. Why? Because it is God who put them there. They are God appointed.
I believe that means something. Maybe not to some, but to me it does.
---ven. on 6/10/20

Axe, concerning Roman, God worked differently with them.He works differently with us. I am talking about the saved. Almost all paid with their lives. On top of that Jesus was also murdered. All those who die, died because it is their time. When Jesus died He died by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God.
---ven. on 6/10/20

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///.... you believe in a God who doesn't know much cause we have what you call free will He lets chaos run wild like here in the states. Become like animals or beast and turn around and blame it on the death of Floyd.They really looked like animals. That's the real world around us.2 Peter 2:12. They will perish in their own corruption
---ven. on 6/8/20///

This bazaar schizo statement contradicts itself. If man has no free will, the riots are Gods will. If only the lost have free will , ven stating they are animals, and only the elect have no free will, being robots, ...AGAIN, NO SCRIPTURE BACK THIS FALSE DOCTRINE.

Also according to ven, the Boston Tea Party was demonic and it is not Gods will we are an independent nation.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/20

To be brought SPIRITUALLY alive is to be Born again, something that happens AFTER WE BELIEVE. Ephesians 1. It also comes AFTER we are crucified with Christ AKA identifying with Jesus in death SO THAT we can be raised up together with Him....BY GRACE YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED Ephesians 2 as well as Romans 6-8.

Man is not some animal without soul or conscience or will. The conscience of man did not die after Adams sin. And no one inherits a dead conscience of right or wrong. If that were so, the LAW would never have been put in place for Israel, nor the sprinkling of blood to cover sin, a picture of things to come. That has now come to pass, all that pointing to Jesus Christ. The schoolmaster used to bring us to Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/20


Many horrible leaders are Beast-like, and many tribulations are horrible - and we have to endure all of them, except possibly the last one.

In Nazi Germany, Christians had the choice to hide Jews in their attics in defiance of the law, and at personal risk to themselves, or turn them over for slaughter, like good little citizens. Which would you have chosen? Again, same choice, same consequences.

Or let's get Biblical. In 1st century Rome, citizens were required by law to burn incense to Caesar, to worship him as a god. Christians refused to do so, and instead, ended up being ripped apart by lions in the coliseum. Again, would you have obeyed the governing authority and burned incense to Caesar?
---StrongAxe on 6/9/20

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God"
---ven. on 6/8/20

I find your use of this verse interesting since you made some snarky remark to me that the Cross or the preaching of the cross AKA the gospel of GRACE, ONLY ONE GOSPEL OF stated was not Grace and the cross was only a piece of wood.

Do you understand verses you post? I don't think you do ven. Posting verses you don't grasp is quite telling.

I'm still waiting for that apology. Until then, I will rebut your comments.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/20

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Axe, I did answer you already, but here goes again. You keep saying, "you ,you and you, what will you do you ask me?
Answer: I will not be here when the beast shows up. Second, all the saints will be gone to be with the Lord by the time the beast shows up.
The question is, what will you do?
---ven. on 6/9/20

Kath, I knew you knew little about the Gospel.
1: All who are lost are spiritually blind, deft, and lacking a heart to perceive. Jesus speaking to the disciples said to them:
"Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand."
That is the condition of the lost. When God wants to save a person He first brings them spiritually alive Then they can see, hear, and understand with the new heart and come to Christ with open arms. But that is the work of God.
Jesus tells us that salvation is the work of God.
"Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent" John 6:29.
---ven. on 6/9/20

Kath, can you show one passage after Pentecost where the disciples were told not to go to certain places and they disobeyed? Who did they disobey? you are now speaking against Romans 13:1.
Also you speak lies because you now say I do not preach the Gospel when I had just told you we preach the Gospel because we do not know who will be saved and they need to hear the Word. So please stop the lies.
---ven. on 6/9/20

The lost can hear the Word of God WHICH IS more powerful than Satan who has blinded the eyes of sinners. Gosh, to insist Satan is more powerful than God is outrageous. Now GOD has blinded the eyes of many Jews simply for a purpose, as Romans 11 explain, but God has not blinded the eyes of lost Gentiles..."SATAN HAS " ***2 Corinthians 4:4. Those who know how to RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH understand this.

God also clearly said in Amos 3:2.. To Israel, YOU ONLY HAVE I KNOWN OF ALL THE PEOPLE ON EARTH. therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. ****God certainly knew SINNERS in Israel.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/20

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Does Romans 13:1 say obey or submit? There was cases after Pentecost the Apostles and disciples were forbidden to preach Jesus Christ. They did it anyway. Were they contradicting Romans 13:1? NO.

Now it will be interesting to see an about face if perhaps we are forbidden to Preach Christ Crucified. Leaving ven out, since Calvinist's don't believe in preaching the Gospel, how many of you are willing to disobey , willing to lay down your life even unto death?

I'm sure many Christians around the world disobey their government who forbid Christianity or forbid preaching the Gospel. Maybe a government would insist you openly denounce Christ. Will you obey?
---kathr4453 on 6/8/20


Again, I ask for the second time, how will you apply Romans 13:1 when the Antichrist comes, and is in power, and asks you to take the Mark of the Beast? Will you obey him, quoting Romans 13:1, because he is the governing power and must be obeyed?

If you answer "yes" to this question, according to Revelation, you will be going to hell.

If you answer "no" to this question, you will show yourself to be acting contrary to what you yourself are saying.

I am very curious what your answer to this will be.
---StrongAxe on 6/8/20

Kath, I do care about others, the reason we preach the Gospel of Grace. We don't know who God is going to save. They need to hear the Word. We can only hope all of our family will be save, but we know not all will.
We know Kath that the lost do not hear or see, they are blind. Only those who God is saving, hear and see. We know the message of the cross, the death and Resurrection of Christ the lost will never believe.
Read 1 Cor. 1:18?
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God"
---ven. on 6/8/20

Well ven good for you, however even if we won't be here, others will that we are to show the way and warn them of the wrath to come. I don't believe in your do nothing smug attitude that your safe so who cares what happens to others. Another point why I detest Calvinism.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/20

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Axe, I am adamant about Romans 13:1. I do not see how anyone can change what it means. We don't have to like the choice God made, Yet, He is always right. The choice God made is in the plan. It carries a reason behind the choice.
Whats in store in the future for all of us, only God knows. What we do is what we are called to do, and vote what is in our hearts. Maybe we are going to lose our freedom. I cannot believe people are pushing for Socialism. God help us.
Axe, the God I preach is God. The real God with unlimited power. He is in control of all things. The Bible tells us so.
---ven. on 6/8/20

Kath, every time you write it shows your anger, always complaining and speaking in tongues it seems. never having a question or never discussing a subject but a lot of complaining. I don't believe you believe God is God. Maybe just maybe you believe in a God who doesn't know much cause we have what you call free will He lets chaos run wild like here in the states. Become like animals or beast and turn around and blame it on the death of Floyd.They really looked like animals. That's the real world around us.2 Peter 2:12. They will perish in their own corruption
---ven. on 6/8/20

Axe, I did not vote for Obama. He believed in abortion. I am a Christian, so I am against the slaughter of a human life. Peoples minds are so far gone that they care more about dogs and animals then a human life. Now that is real sad. But God is allowing this to happen for a reason, only He knows. For nothing happens outside the will of God.
Second: You asked concerning the Antichrist, When he comes in the future, I won't be here. That is simple. Again, concerning Christians, they have nothing to worry about. God takes care of His children. God loses none.
---ven. on 6/8/20

Acts 5: 25 Then came one and told them, saying, Behold, the men whom ye put in prison are standing in the temple, and teaching the people.

26 Then went the captain with the officers, and brought them without violence: for they feared the people, lest they should have been stoned.

27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,

28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.

29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
---kathr4453 on 6/8/20

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Yes, God appointed them - as punishment for sinners, not for us to obey them.

Since you are so adamant about Romans 1 being obeyed absolutely, please tell me, did you support Obama during his 8 years in office, because he was the lawfully elected leader in this country?

Also, will you obey the Antichrist when he comes, because he will be the "governing authority"?

If you answer "no" to either of the above questions, you aren't practicing what you preach.
---StrongAxe on 6/7/20

I find Calvinist's have a do nothing mentality, even a do nothing approach we are to preach to the lost, etc. They hide in their homes and do nothing because God is going to do it. What they don't grasp is we are Gods hands feet and mouth here on earth as He works THROUGH US. Jesus was crucified because He was speaking , doing GODS WILL. Paul said Follow me the way I follow Christ. Paul was a very ACTIVE person, WILLING TO SUFFER EVEN UNTO DEATH, to DO Gods WILL one can only "know" if they first obey Romans 12:1-2. This pat answer that everything is "Gods WILL" lets them off the hook of actually OBEYING Romans 12:1-2 to know many things actually are not the will of God. SIN IS NOT GODS WILL.
---kathr4453 on 6/7/20

A friend of mine married to a Calvinist was having a dinner party and as she was getting the dishes out of the dishwasher realized they did not get clean. So she said, " IF GOD HAD WANTED THEM CLEAN THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN CLEAN" . So she set the table with those dishes just to make a point with her husband. It was priceless.

Gods will is stated in the law that immorality or Adultery ,incest, perverts etc IS SIN. BUT CALVINISTS say every rape, molestation, illigitimate birth, murder is also Gods will. This is where I draw the line with Calvinist's false teaching on this issue. God ALLOWS us to obey or disobey HIS WILL, showing the consequences of disobedience. God does not WILL SIN. James 1:13 make that clear .
---kathr4453 on 6/6/20

Axe, First, Romans one is pretty plain. It needs no twisting. "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities." And He gives the reason why. "For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." Rom. 1.
And talking about John the Baptist, it was God's will for him to be sacrifice, for it was God's will that just about everyone was to die a terrible death, including Jesus Christ. I do not believe we have to worry about the beast, we are after all Christians. I know I am.
The devil is not defeating God the Father. Everything happens by the will of God. If something is happening outside His will, then He is not God. It's pretty simple.
---ven. on 6/6/20

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Axe, you mentioned all those bad rulers in history and also the Beast.
Look, on those in history, God appointed them. Do you believe they suddenly appeared, did their crimes, and God could not stop them? Remember what happened to all those people in the Old Testament who died because God commanded it to be so?
Woman, children, animals. Even the Jews, many times God had to teach them a lesson, so God had their enemies win the battles. Thousands died by evil man because God willed it so. God was right then and He is right now.
---ven. on 6/6/20

Proverbs 29: 2 When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice: but when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.

There is a lot of mourning going on these days. The handling of Covid19, assaulting citizens with military attacks, divide and conquer philosophy Hitler used.

Where did God say it was a sin to mourn when wicked men rule? Where are the verses telling people to shut up and take it? There are none. Taking Romans 13 out of context is an issue. John the Baptist was beheaded for speaking against evil in authority. What verse did Jesus say John sinned in doing so? Or said "OH JOHN YOUR NOT LOVING".

The CHURCH is on earth to shine a light on EVIL, EVEN EVIL LEADERSHIP.
---kathr4453 on 6/5/20

Proverbs 4:2 - For I give good doctrine, Do not forsake my Law.
---RichardC on 6/5/20

Proverbs 109:8
Let his days be few, and let another take his office.
---NurseRobert on 6/5/20

Sorry, Psalms 109:8
---NurseRobert on 6/5/20

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You quoted Romans 13:1: "Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities..."

If you take that to its logical (and absurd) conclusion, this means EVERYONE must obey ALL governing authorities at ALL times. This means not only should we eagerly follow Trump now, we should also have followed Obama for 8 years (So why did Evangelicals thus hypocritically call him the Antichrist?). Germans would have been obliged to follow Hitler. Russians, Stalin. Chinese, Mao. Americans in 1776 would have been blasphemous to rebel against King George.

By this same rule, Christians will be REQUIRED, by GOD'S WORD, to follow the Beast, since he will be the "governing authority". Can't you see how insane that is?
---StrongAxe on 6/5/20

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities.... Romans 13:1.
---ven. on 6/2/20

Proverbs 28:16
A ruler who lacks understanding is a cruel oppressor..

Proverbs 29:2
When the righteous increase, the people rejoice, but when the wicked rule, the people groan.

I pray for Trump every day remembering Proverbs 109:8
Let his days be few, and let another take his office.
---NurseRobert on 6/5/20

ven, I don't have any questions for you, however I can state why I disagree with your statements you do not back up with scripture. You don't even know what NT GRACE is, or rather use a false definition. When you stated GRACE was not the CROSS, with a snide comment the CROSS is only wood, which Paul refers to the CROSS often NEVER INSINUATING it's WOOD....YIKES. I knew you were the hateful one here online, using blasphemy and projecting your own hatefulness onto others who don't agree with you. I've got your number ven....and I'm not impressed.
---kathr4453 on 6/4/20

General George Mattis, another GOD PICKED PLACED LEADER just came out with a scathing rebuke of Trumps abusive power.

There is not one verse in scripture that says any gentile leader, gentile pope, gentile president , gentile dictator , or gentile nation is a GOD WE MUST ALL OBEY. America is a gentile nation just like China, N Korea, Russis, or Hitlers Germany. God never made a covenant with ANY GENTILE NATION. This is where so many apostate Christians have SHIPWRECKED. And another false teaching is God is equipping some earthly army like Constantine to force righteousness through violent means. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. Those who follow this NEW Trump led Christianity will fall in a ditch. He is BLIND leading the blind.
---kathr4453 on 6/4/20

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If you have a question for me, ask the question, because talk is cheap. You seem to be one who likes to talk and talk but never really say anything that is fact or that is in scripture. So again, I am waiting for your questions against God and His Sovereignty.
---ven. on 6/4/20

OK, so Trump according to ven is trying to TWART Gods hand picked leaders in the world, OR is ven just another who believes in the FALSE GOSPEL OF AMERICA? AKA GODS NEW CHOSEN PEOPLE? YIKES. Men's evil hearts elect evil men as well, having FREE WILL , however God ALLOWS us to elect evil leaders as well showing us our sinful evil ways under that leadership. Ven sides with Trump who is trashing every GOD PLACED leader in this world also ruining the reputations of our diplomats etc, and has no problem with that. SUCH HYPOCRICY. ITS OK FOR TRUMP TO LIE HATE ETC, but God forbid we call him out on it. Ven is totally messed up in his/her thinking.

Many spiritual leaders are turning on Trump. They are Waking UP. WAKE UP.
---kathr4453 on 6/4/20

Ven, don't think so highly of yourself that God would strike anyone dead because of how or what they say to you. Such arrogance in that statement. The more you speak, the less impressed I am with you. That sounds like some Benny Himm voodoo garbage he use to say along with many WOF false teachers.
---anonymous on 6/4/20

Yes, of course I believe all who lead are there by the will of God. You too are there by the will of God. If God did not want you to be there answering me, He would take your breath away from you. The reason you breath is because of Him.
Everything happens by the will of God. Nothing is a surprise to our Lord and Savior. He, and He along, knows how it's all going to end.
---ven. on 6/3/20

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Axe, you accuse Trump of breaking the Ten Commandments, that is funny, you mentioned him sinning. You should know already that we are all sinners, saved by the grace of God.
Concerning all leaders in history that are gone, they all were there by the will of God. Even the Crucifixion Of Christ happen by the will of God the Father.
I will not ask you what sins Trump broke are even show when and where he broke the Commandments. It's easy to talk here. One thing I do know, is that he is against abortion. The murder of all new born babies. Yes, God allows that to happen, but those who murder the babies will pay in the end.
---ven. on 6/3/20


If you believe Trump is President by God's Will, you must also believe God's Will also, made Nancy Pelosi House Speaker and Obama president for 8 (so why did Evangelicals constantly berate him?). Also Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Nero, and every other evil leader was also there by God's Will. God will also let Antichrist rule the world. If you want to eat that pill, you must eat all of it.

God frequently put evil leaders in power specifically to punish people for their sins.

Just look at how Trump behaves. He breaks most of the Ten Commandments regularly, and BOASTS about doing so. Yet "People of God" practically worship him - just as they will worship the Antichrist when he comes.
---StrongAxe on 6/2/20

It's funny to read what most of you do, and that is how most of you pretend to be Christian, talking about the cross, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, then turn around and trash the President, a person that is in office by the will of God. You just don't like His decision. You think maybe God made a mistake.
Don't you understand? instead of praying for him, you continue to show your hate for him. Where is the love of Christ? Where is the Holy Spirit?

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." Romans 13:1.
---ven. on 6/2/20

This not so much about freedom of Speech but of accountability of stopping Conspiracy theories and lies.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/2/20

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Right. Also, even if "you must allow me to speak" is true, that doesn't imply that "you must host my speech" or "you must pay to host my speech", which is what happens on social media sites, as they provide their hosting service for free to their users, and make their money from advertisers.

What this means is that Twitter doesn't have to host Trump's tweets if it doesn't want to. Of course, it's a free company. He's totally free to create his own social media platform, and use THAT to broadcast whatever propaganda he wants, and more power to him (and good luck with that). He is a businessman. It should be easy, right?
---StrongAxe on 5/31/20

Freedom of speech... freedom of speech... Does anyone have any idea what that means?

The first amendment stops the GOVERNMENT from infringing on speech. It has NOTHING to do with private companies. Twitter can do what they want.

I have concerns about a sitting president thinking he has the power to do this. He gets his knickers in a wad because someone FACT CHECKED him.. Hes a 3 year old idiot, throwing tantrums.
---NurseRobert on 5/31/20

Who's freedom, Trumps or Twitter's? Trump doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's a baby having a tantrum, brags he's the most powerful person in the World, and got humiliated and needed to make his grand stand to try to save face.

There should not be two sets of rules, one for Politicians and another for the rest. And it's not just Trump who is getting flagged. So it's not some personal issue ..Trump always claiming it's about paranoid.

Trump and his executive orders are becoming a joke. His executive order has no teeth. Trump has no power over private corporations. The poor guy just has no clue about the constitution. And he's bringing to light just how ignorant he is on the rule of law.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/20

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