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People Reject God

What does God do when people reject Him? Is He happy? is He sad? is He disappointed? Does He feel anything? What do you think?

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Samuel, we enjoy SOME OF THE PROMISES in the New Covenant we don't enjoy all nor will we. Ezekiel 36 THE WHOLE chapter encompass ALL THOSE PROMISES, not just the one verse everyone wants to claim. As you see in Ezekiel 36, it was not based on conditions, therefore, since it was not, Israel cannot forfeit under any circumstances. We the Church are ABRAHAMS SEED , not JACOBS SEED. Abraham was not Israel, nor was Isaac. So we are actually under the Abrahamic Covenant . There are TWO PROMISES given to Abraham,Romans 4 and one of them is not to the Church. We are not promised LAND. Isaiah 14 is yet to be fulfilled, and it's addressed to JACOBS DESCENDENTS. as you can see, the whole world HAS NEVER BEEN AT REST, showing this is future.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/20


Kathyr. You are right about Trump and some of your other points.

StrongAx. I agree with Covenant theology which is sometimes called replacement theology. I cannot agree with Darby and Dispensationalism. The Bible teaches the New Covenant is made with Israel. Since we the church are in the New Covenant. That makes us Israel.

Read Hebrews 8 Also Ephesians 2. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/20


Strongaxe, this is why people need to educate themselves on the false doctrine of REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY and RECONSTRUCTION THEOLOGY. This is why I believe Calvinism along with others will play a huge part in end times, being ON THE WRONG SIDE. The WOMAN who rides the beast is APOSTATE Christianity, so steeped IN POLITICS, as we are seeing today even with WHITE Evangelicals joining this unholy band wagon...having a great influence on this country ...is frightening. It just came out this horrible reversal of thought that they ARE NOW AGAINST letting refugees into America...ALL SINCE TRUMP. If God ever blessed America, I believe it was because of our LOVE to ALL PEOPLE via refugees also coming here.
---kathr4453 on 7/25/20


Doug Coe, the head honcho of The Family Fellowship was an ordained ruling elder and lay minister in the Presbyterian Church (USA). The largest REFORMED CALVINIST CHURCH IN AMERICA. AND anyone who joined this fellowship was told they were THE ELECT CHOSEN OF GOD. They made their own Bibles called JESUS, with only the 4 Gospels, and the book of Acts. That's a RED FLAG. But these elect are WEALTHY POWERFUL ONLY...ANOTHER RED FLAG. Their mission is to find the WOLF KING..twisting the verses, wolf in SHEEPS clothing as the ELECT WOLF....pointing to Trump. To me that points to the anti-Christ. Yes, all this for years has been orchestrated by a CALVINIST. YIKES. I always knew they would have a part in end times.
---kat453 on 7/25/20


kathr4453:

Exactly! This is the essence of self-congratulation, i.e. "We are in a position of privilege, because God WANTS us to be in a position of privilege". This is diametrically opposite to Jesus' teachings of reversal of fortune, i.e. "The first will become last, and the last will become first".

It is also conservative thinking (i.e. "This is how things are, and they should stay that way") as opposed to Jesus' repeated teachings of cathartic change through traumatic upheaval, e.g. overturning the temple vendors' tables, and screaming at Peter and calling him "SATAN!" for saying Jesus didn't need to die.
---StrongAxe on 7/25/20




NurseRobert, if you look in the past Calvinists have a history of racism. Bob Jones university for years was racust. When Calvinists went to South Africa, we see AGAIN this mentality of white supremecy. Also the Same mentality of stealing land and subjugation of the Native peoples. In America racism began with Calvinists and is still alive today in our politics. Watch THE FAMILY on Netflix. They claim to be the ELECT CHOSEN ONES. It comes up at the end why no Blacks. This is predominate in our country and something everyone should educate themselves on. A CULT is running this country.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/20


OT spoke about intermarriage with nations, but always "let they turn you to other gods" - i.e. mixing faiths, not mixing races. Ruth (an ancestor of David and Jesus) was a Hittite, yet her marriage to Boaz was praised - BECAUSE she followed the God of Israel.

NT also rejects misogyny and racism:
Galatians 3:28 (also Colossians 3:11, Romans 10:12, and others)
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

As for intermarriage between different Christian subgroups, what is wrong with that? What is essential is fundamental belief in CHRIST. Superficial denominational differences should make little difference.
---StrongAxe on 7/24/20


So where is the part in the London confession of faith about pre-existance?

If it were something so important it would be there....ITS NOT.

And its NOT in the Westminster either.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/20


---ven on 7/23/20

So you basically Calvinist..

"Intermarriage is heresy - Christians who intermarry other religions enter "heresy"

Well, at least I'm beginning to understand you racist comments about blacks being "violent by nature".
---NurseRobert on 7/24/20


Ven, two post of cheap talk, talk talk talk, no scripture, just your cheap opinions and cheap theories.

Genesis 4:7 CLEARLY SHOW MAN IS ALIVE ENOUGH TO BE GIVEN A SECOND CHANCE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT, HAVING A CHOICE. Gid made that clear, and you ven reject the WORD OF GOD.

Only a moron would argue against God and HIS WORDS you reject. You are a heretic.
---kathr4453 on 7/23/20




Calvinist doctrine of TULIP states that humans have no free will. That GOD already decided for them. That we are totally depraved so that Jesus must only regenerate the ones he loves But torture all those he hated in hell for all eternity. Jesus only died for the few he chose to save. Those chosen cannot be lost. But Calvin pointed out those chosen will live for Jesus every day. Obeying the Commandments of GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/23/20


Kath, again you did a lot of cheap talking the same way people do about Trump. Talk, talk, three post of nothing but talk, like a woman who had a piece of tape over their mouth and someone took it off and the person starts to talk, and talk and talk. But here it is cheap talk. accusations concerning every thing. You should repent and ask for forgiveness, for those evil thoughts in your mind.

Nurse, I will tell you what Church I go to, it is a Baptist Church, and follow as members, "The London Baptist Confessions of Faith of 1689. which is the grand-daughter of the Wesminster Confessions of faith.
---ven on 7/23/20


Kath, you now say, "antithetical to what Genesis 3 actually says. It doesnt say Adams sin caused anyone to lose freewill or moral capacity.
Genesis does not say humans lost their free will, what it does say, Genesis 2:17."But of the tree of the knowledge of good an evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it, you shall surely die" Man did die, he died spiritually.
---ven. on 7/23/20


Another answer to the above question. FREE WILL FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION AFTER THE FALL OF MAN.

The Calvinist doctrine about humanity is not only antithetical to human life but antithetical to what Genesis 3 actually says. It doesnt say Adams sin caused anyone to lose freewill or moral capacity. Quite the contrary, God says Behold the man has become as one of us, knowing good and evil, and then just a little later God says to Cain If you do well, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do well, sin is at the door and it desires to have you but you can conquer it. The Calvinist says we lost freewill in the fall but God tells Cain he has freewill and can conquer sin, and if he does so he will be accepted.
---kath453 on 7/22/20


NurseRobert, he claims to be Reformed, holding many RCC beliefs and traditions as in infant Baptism, as Calvin so dearly murdered the annabaptists over. But has some weird ideas not even Reformed adhear to, however there are a few different sects of Calvinism that differ in some areas. The majority of Calvinist's do not believe they preexisted, only Mormons do, and claiming to be Isaac's children again is a mystery, as scripture says Abraham is our father of the faith, so again, I see on a Mormon site Joseph Smith made some sort if reference in one of his papers to their being Isaac's children. Ven said he never heard of Calvin, I FIND STRANGE or a lie, since ALL REFORMED have heard of him, and their doctrine grounded in Calvinism.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/20


The teaching of preexistence (also called premortality) says that prior to their birth into mortality, all people were begotten spirit children of God and lived with him (Robert L. Millet et al. LDS Beliefs: A Doctrinal Reference (Salt Lake City: Deseret Books Co., 2011), p. 498). In fact, the Ensign magazine reports that of all the major Christian churches, only The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints teaches that the human race lived in a premortal existence with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ (Ensign, February 2006, p. 30).

So what say you NurseRobert?
---kath4453 on 7/22/20


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---kathr4453 on 7/20/20

We deal with a lot of so called Christians on this site that do the same. I don't particularly care what they think about me. I know what my relationship with God is, they don't and criticize because it doesn't fit with their beliefs.

What church does ven go to? I know he is a former Catholic, but I'm beginning to think he may be Mormon. He won't tell me..
---NurseRobert on 7/21/20


Jesus cries for his lost children just as he cried over Israel because they would not be saved.

Jesus loves all of us.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/21/20


Ven, Now you just accused Mike of being an ATHIEST on another blog. Ven, only you make these arrogant statements here, making yourself here the LIAR. Just because I call you out on these things you are angry. You said to NurseRobert....YOU MUST NOT BE SAVED, TO MIKE...YOU MUST BE AN ATHIEST, ME YOU CALL ME A LIAR with every post I show scripture you refuse to read and listen to.

You have issues ven. You ADD to scripture what is not there and refuse to post scripture you commentate your own ideas on and want us to believe your commentary rather than the scripture itself, BULLYING those who refuse to swallow your garbage.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/20


---ven. on 7/20/20

You don't support life, you support fetus'. You would allow people to die without batting an eye. You support a president that's locks up children in squalid conditions, after pulling them from their parents. You support death by refusing health care to millions. You support killing of thousands of people in immoral wars, instead of using the money to improve society.

Tell us, ven, how many unwanted children have you adopted? How many unwed mothers have you supported? Why do you allow millions of children to go hungry every day?

Don't tell us you support life, you don't. Your fruits are rotten...

---NurseRobert on 7/20/20


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Kath, you are arrogant, wrong and a liar. You say:
Well ven, you call people evil baby killers which is a false accusation"
I never have called anyone "evil baby killers" not once. find the post and proof me wrong. Show what you say is not another one of your lies. The devil is a murderer and the father of lies, John 8:42-47.
You also say: even saying Nurse-Robert is not saved," I have no clue if Nurse-Roberts is saved or not, but concerning his fruits the answer seems to be no, since he supports abortion, and God's children support life.
---ven. on 7/20/20


Well ven, you call people evil baby killers which is a false accusation, among other things you accuse here, even saying NurseRobert is not saved, just because his politics don't agree with yours. Now THATS ARROGANCE beyond words.

So calling you stupid, is mild, but necessary showing you can't read what is so easily understood what is in black and white before your eyes, or you have another choice of being brainwashed not to see facts, but only what you want to showing Satan has truly blinded your eyes.

Even after I answer you on many things you ask over and over saying I never answered you. Either you ARE STUPID , or you are ARROGANT BEYOND WORDS. WHICH IS IT?
---kathr4453 on 7/19/20


Kathy, you are also so arrogant, instead of responding to the passages I give you to show I am wrong, you call me stupid. And you claim to be a Christian. Your old nature just jumps out of you, you hate to be wrong. Your spirit also jumps out of you.
---ven. on 7/18/20


Ven, since you are slow in understanding it takes more than three posts to reason with you. Isaac is not A WOMAN. You are not Isaac's children. . Scripture clearly says WE ARE ABRAHAMS SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO PROMISE. GALATIANS 3:29. GALATIANS 3:6-9

We AS ISAAC WAS are children of promise does NOT SAY we are Isaac's children. My gosh how you twist verses.

You are so stupid you can't even read and believe what Paul said in Galatians 3:29. If we were Isaac's children Paul would have said so. No scripture says we are Isaac's seed. That's HERESY.

So seeing you can't even grasp a truth with one post, why bother with more than one.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/20


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Jesus Christ is the Author of Salvation, not Paul. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. So why, when you say something is in the Gospel, quote Paul?

Jesus is master...Paul is his servant.
---David on 7/17/20


Kath, it took you three post to throw more insults. One part of your mouth you speak Jesus, the other part you throw curses.
You said:
"Non of these things are in scripture you insist on:
1) we are Isaac's children:
answer, We are, Galatians 4:31 "So then we are not children of the bond woman, but of the free. "Isaac" is from the free.
2) Spiritual Israel:
Answer: Galatians 3:26: "For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus" sons of God are the spiritual Israel of God.
3) Gods sovereignty can do anything He wants, even lie or renege on promises: Answer: God is Sovereign, does as He pleases.
4) being made alive TWICE: answer" never said twice but once.
---ven. on 7/17/20


Ven the Gospel is clearly stated in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. The Gospel was first announced in Genesis 3:15. Then more fully revealed to Abraham . The Mystery of the Church being predestined to be confirmed to the image of Jesus Christ , the Body of Christ is something we come to understand AFTER we are saved. It is not something we need to understand in order to be saved. The Gospel is about SALVATION, The MYSTERY of the Church is about our calling in God's plan and purpose to reign and rule with Him at a specific time. The 1000 year reign. Your bullying is not going to change that fact.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/20


Ephesians 4:21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:

Did ven say he was not taught by Jesus?

Also Strongaxe I said AWAKE the way Paul uses it, not accusing one of not being saved, but only SLOW in thinking and obedience as Paul meant. Because ven misrepresents scripture he has misrepresented me.

Ven does not believe in the Cross, so yes we do not have anything in common.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/20


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Ven the passage IS NOT talking about salvation. The chapter itself is not talking about our initial salvation but our WALK as believers as I pointed out other verses Paul uses the word AWAKE.

And you are arrogant to accuse me of not believing because I disagree with your interpretation of scripture. I BELIEVE JUST FINE of what and how Jesus has taught me HIS WORD. The Holy Spirit does not lead you to Calvin Reformed books. HE ENLIGHTENS THE WORD OF GOD PERIOD.

You believe the wisdom of men over God. So don't accuse or lecture me about my faith. You are considered a pudknocker. All talk no depth or personal experience. If it takes two posts and 3 scriptures to get things correct who are you to complain?
---kath4453 on 7/16/20


Kath, in order for you to understnd the gospel you need to know what the gospel is.
Second: Predestination is in the Bible and in the gospel by Jesus Christ for Himself: "Having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself" ( Eph. 1:5).
And also:"In Him also we have obtained an inheritance being Predestined according to the purpose of Him ho works all things according to the counsel of His will.": (Eph. 1:11).
---ven. on 7/16/20


Ven, you must live in an alternate universe when it comes to the scriptures. You make up stuff Scripture never says and then build your own commentary around it.
Non of these things are in scripture you insist on:
1) we are Isaac's children
2) Spiritual Israel
3) Gods sovereignty can do anything He wants, even lie or renege on promises
4) being made alive TWICE

Just to name a few.

You have an alternative Gospel, alternative facts you cling to. That is going to be your downfall.
---kat453 on 7/16/20


Kath, first of all when I said you did not believe, I meant in the context of the passage, I was not trying to divide you and me. I don't think I am better then you. You can call me whatever you want and you always do. But that is you but not me.

Second, The passage is talking about salvation. When a person is awaken he is born again. He now has life, that is salvation. talking about Eph. 5:14. I didn't need three or four post to say that.
---ven. on 7/15/20


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Jesus did not teach me the Gospel, the Spirit led me to Truth of the Gospel and I believed. The foundation of predestination, Election, is found in Scripture---ven

Ven
If the spirit led you to the truth of the gospel, predestination must be taught in the gospel. Correct?
And if the spirit led you, you must know where it is. Can you show me, in the gospel, where Jesus taught predestination?

Ven, what I am trying to show you, if you can not find it in the Gospel, your doctrine is not founded on the gospel of Jesus Christ. There are many doctrines who teach Paul, without any support in the Gospel of Christ.

Check your bible and you will find, Every disciple, including Paul, taught the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
---David on 7/16/20


Axe, Kath does not believe as I do. Not even close. You tell me not to divide when it is Kath who calls names not only to me but to others that finds her answers wrong. She told me I needed to be awaken , in other words she is save and I am not. She is holy and I am not. How is that for division? So get your facts right. You want to defend her even though she is wrong. I am for debating any time.
---ven. on 7/16/20


No ven/ Markv , this chapter is not about salvation as you can see by the before and after verses. Paul is talking to CHRISTIANS about our walk NOW as Christians.

Ephesians 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.

17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.

Like I said, Obey Romans 12:1-2 and you too will understand the will of God.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/20


Scripture teaches scripture and we see Paul using this verbiage often addressing Christians already saved but not walking as they should. It has nothing to do with how Election works YIKES!
All these verses Paul is speaking as a REBUKE, not a doctrine on election.

Romans 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

1 Corinthians 15:34Awake to righteousness, and sin not, for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
---kat453 on 7/15/20


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ven:

Kather believes, just as you do. It arrogant to say "Anyone who believes differently is automatically wrong". "Us vs. them" thinking is a key point of cultic thinking, and divides Christ. Paul said we see through a glass darkly, but later face to face.

"Us vs. them" thinking is dividing this country. We have the first president I've seen (I've lived through 11) who acts like president only of citizens from his party, and treats citizens of the other party as enemies, not president of one diverse but unified people. This divisiveness spread to the people, tearing families and friendships apart. He calls himself "The Great Uniter", but is "The Great Divider".
---StrongAxe on 7/15/20


Kath, you now say because you do not believe:
".it doesn't say AWAKE YOU WHO ARE ELECT does it. Or AWAKE MY CHOSEN ONES. NO. AWAKE you who sleep. So ask yourself, who are these "YOU WHO SLEEP"? Is there scripture the elect SLEEP, but the non-elect are DEAD?
The reason it does not say who was asleep or spiritually dead is because all sinners not saved or spiritually dead, those chosen by God included, who have not come to Christ yet. You should know that already. all of the unsaved are spiritually dead.
---ven. on 7/15/20


David, I remember being in a high chair and singing the song Jesus Loves me. It seems from that point on I wanted to know who this Jesus was that loved me. Then in the 4th Grade my Grandfather, a Minister as well, led me to the Lord out of my own desire, it wasn't forced on me. But it wasn't until I was 30 that I actually heard the REST OF THE GOSPEL,RE: total surrender, coming upon Romans 12:1-2 that I heard the a Lord say very clearly calling me by my name saying "I WANT YOUR WHOLE LIFE" I SAID YES, And upon obedience of that my life changed dramatically and has not ceased to for the last 40 years.

I understood THEN what it meant to say ABBA FATHER in reality.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/20


Ven posted:
Answer: "Awake , you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light" Eph. 5:14.


I have to add something else here....it doesn't say AWAKE YOU WHO ARE ELECT does it. Or AWAKE MY CHOSEN ONES. NO. AWAKE you who sleep. So ask yourself, who are these "YOU WHO SLEEP"? Is there scripture the elect SLEEP, but the non-elect are DEAD? Or only those asleep can rise from the dead, but the dead who are dead can't? Can't you see how Calvinist's twist scripture to say what it wants, but what it's not actually saying. UNLESS you can prove the elect only sleep, and those nonelect are dead. Good luck ven.
---kath4453 on 7/15/20


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David, you write: "Ven
Do you have this awakening? If you have, and you can see the Truth of the Gospel, where did Jesus teach the foundation for predestination?

David, yes, I have been awakened. Jesus did not teach me the Gospel, the Spirit led me to Truth of the Gospel and I believed. The foundation of predestination, Election, is found in Scripture
You say: "Personally, I believe everyone who receives the gift of the Holy Spirit has this awakening." Yes, when awaken, your heart is changed, and you can see and hear. And there is one exemption "repent." according to Acts 2:38.
---ven. on 7/14/20


Ven posted:
Answer: "Awake , you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light" Eph. 5:14.

So now we have another doctrine, where one has to wake themselves up and arise from the dead by their own bootstraps first before Jesus Christ will give you light. YIKES.

But we see in Romans 5-6 that once Justified, Paul continues on that to be raised from the dead one first has to be baptized into His Death and then we are raised up together with Him.

So I'll bet this is another verse taken out of context. Is it possible that verse is talking to those already saved but DULL IN UNDERSTANDING. Seeing they should know they are already risen with Christ .
---kathr4453 on 7/14/20


John 6:29 - Jesus answered and said to them, This is the work of God, That you Believe on him whom he has sent.

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his Workmanship , Created in Christ for good works, Which God prepared Before hand that we should walk in them,

Where did Jesus teach the Foundation for Predestintion ? 2 Timothy 3:16 - Romans 29 - 30 / Ephesians 1:11 / Revelation 13:8 - 17:8 - { Question ? Who Testifies in Revelation 22:20 )
---RichardC on 7/14/20


...a lost person cannot see the truth of the Gospel and believe with their free will.They need a Spiritual awakening first and only the Lord can provide that Light.--ven

Ven
Do you have this awakening? If you have, and you can see the Truth of the Gospel, where did Jesus teach the foundation for predestination?

If you can not find where Jesus taught it, as per your belief, wouldnt this mean it has no foundation in the Gospel?

Personally, I believe everyone who receives the gift of the Holy Spirit has this awakening. This giving of this gift doesnt seem to have any exemptions, according to Peter in (Acts 2:38).
---David on 7/14/20


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Kath again: you made so many statements to confuse what you say. But I will answer one first concerning Israel. When you say Israel, which Israel do you mean? The old one or the new one in the New Testament? In the old one, they all died in their sins with the exception of the Remnant, they were saved. The New one many will die in their sins before the Coming of Christ. Those that die in their sins don't get another chance. So which Israel will be saved? There is an Israel of God (Galatians 6:16) and there is an Israel after the flesh (1 Cor. 10:18). So which Israel are you talking about?
---ven. on 7/14/20


Kath, you say, "And that in no way suggests God blinded the eyes minds of any Gentiles.
God did not have to blind the eyes of the Gentiles, because the devil blinded them. 2 Cor. 4:4 says, " But even if our Gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the Gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God should shine on them."
When you talk or write, you throw a lot of sentences and words without one passage of Scripture. Indicate what you are talking about and give Scripture. So I can look it up.
---ven. on 7/14/20


Yes darkness is the absence of light. The LIGHT of the Glorious Gospel shines LIGHT in darkness, and why we ( THE CHURCH) are the Light of the World, today, as the Body of Christ just as Israel was a LIGHT TO THE NATIONS. The LIGHT of the WORD of God is stronger than Satan. To say the opposite is to say God is not all that mighty or powerful. The WORD, who is God SPOKE LIGHT into the world...has just as much power to speak LIGHT into any darkness of lost souls. TRY IT SOMETIME. But you have to speak In the power of the Holy Spirit. Speaking Calvin's words or PInk's or McArthurs words are not GODS WORDS.
---kathr4453 on 7/13/20


God blinding SOME OF THE BRANCHES of the Jews was for a purpose, until the fullness of the Gentiles come in. This is not the same as Satan blinding . God will in His SOVEREIGN TIMING save Israel, as Romans 11 explain. And that in no way suggests God blinded the eyes minds of any Gentiles.

So we need to get these facts and truths in its rightful place first before making statements concerning Gods plan of salvation God never said or meant. One is to abuse the meaning and purpose of the words Elect/ chosen etc.
---kath4453 on 7/13/20


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We can't see the truth in the darkness. Those who want to see the Truth come out of the darkness to the Light sent from God, which is His Son. And their works are shown to be wrought in God.

Only those who come to the Light are of the Truth. Those who stay in the darkness do so because they prefer to believe the lies they already know and they don't want their evil works to be seen. John 3:17-21.
---barb on 7/13/20


David, you say, "Ven
If you cannot see in the darkness, is it not the absence of light which makes us blind? Who provides the light, God or Satan?"
Answer: "Awake , you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light" Eph. 5:14.
God tells Ezeliel 12:2, "that His people have eye's to see but do not see, and ears to hear but do no hear" People lost cannot see or hear, even though they have eyes to see and ears to hear. That is what I tell Kath, that a lost person cannot see the truth of the Gospel and believe with their free will. They need a Spiritual awakening first and only the Lord can provide that Light.
---ven. on 7/13/20


Ven
If you cannot see in the darkness, is it not the absence of light which makes us blind? Who provides the light, God or Satan?
---David on 7/13/20


David, I enjoy talking to you. I make many mistakes because I use one hand to type most of the time. Once in a while I am able to use both hands, when my hand does shake so much. Sorry for my errors. Thanks for being a friend. I believe we have things in common.
---ven. on 7/13/20


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David, I believe you are confused only because you read two passages out of the narrative story. First the passage I gave was 2 Cor. 4:3,4. The passage is talking about the god of this world, that is Satan. He has blinded the whole world that believe not.
And you throw John 12: 38-40, And the passage is talking about the blindness of Israel, the Jews. Here is part of it: "Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? Therefore they could not believe because Isaiah said again:
He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with eyes...

The more some of you resist the Truth the more others learn the Truth.
---ven. on 7/12/20


David thank you for posting that verse. LEST AKA UNLESS THE LIGHT OF THE GLORIOUS GOSPEL SHOULD SHINE INTO THEM, ....NOTE IT DOESNT SAY UNLESS you are made alive by the Spirit first .....

Good job.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/20


Who blinded man? The devil---ven

He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.(John 12:40)

Ven
You believe the He in this verse, Jesus is referring to, is Satan?
Maybe you are the confused one. Read below.

But if our Gospel be hid, it is hid to those who are lost, whose unbelieving minds the god of this world hath blinded, lest the light of the glorious Gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.(2 Corinthians 4:3-4)

You can also read (Exodus 4:11).
---David on 7/12/20


Kath, First of all we were adopted. Galatians 4:5 "God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons"

"Having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He made us accepted in the Beloved."
So yes, we are adopted children, from the rest of the world. We are the Beloved.
---ven. on 7/12/20


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Actually Samuel, seeing they are facing the second death they are there first because they rejected Jesus Christ ...And did not ...2 Thessalonians 2:10. So in the great white throne judgement all they will have to be judged is their works, which God will shows that no works no matter how wonderful cannot earn salvation .
---kathr4453 on 7/11/20


The idea of our being adopted is not like humans adopting . Yikes. John 1:12 we first see how one becomes a son. Jesus told the Jews, you are no longer servants but son's. We are son's because we have been begotten again to a living hope THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. BAPTIZED INTO HIS DEATH and raised up together WITH HIM are now in the Spirit and not the flesh are son's of God. Romans 8:11-18. He didn't just look around and say ...OH I THINK I'LL ADOPT THAT ONE OVER THERE. YIKES.
---kath4453 on 7/11/20


David, you say: " I believe Frustrated, is the best word to describe Gods feelings toward those who reject him. Kinda like you would feel, while being rejected, when beckoning folks to climb down to safely, as you hold a ladder to the side of a burning building."
I believe you are confused about God. There's two passages you should read: "That was the true Light which enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9. It's God who enlightens man. If they are blind, it's up to God to enlighten them. He enlightens whom He wants. So His not frustrated.
Who blinded man? The devil. And he cannot do anything without permission from God.
---ven. on 7/11/20


Ven
I believe Frustrated, is the best word to describe Gods feelings toward those who reject him. Kinda like you would feel, while being rejected, when beckoning folks to climb down to safely, as you hold a ladder to the side of a burning building.

They reject your offer, simply because they dont believe the building is on fire. Are you going to morn the folks who rejected your offer, those you never knew?
Yes, but not to the degree you would morn those you love. I believe God feels the same way you would feel in this situation.

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity.
(Matthew 7:23)
---David on 7/11/20


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Yes Samuel, many will die in their sins. They will be judge by their works, the sins they have committed, at the Great White Throne of Judgment. I did not make this up, it is written in Scripture. They are guilty.
The way I see this plan of God is: If you go to adopt a child or two, you pick them and you don't pick the rest. You are not obligated to pick them all. In man's case, man is guilty of sinning against God. God created them, but did not make them sin, they sinned because they have a fallen nature and love to sin.
---ven. on 7/11/20


God did so much more than give me a new heart, that would be my emotions,my conscience,my WILL, and intellect. My will now is to do His will, and not my own, my emotions are kept in check by the Fruit of the Spirit, and I have the mind of Christ, but I'm also under the Law of Liberty, not the law of Moses or OT statutes. One day the Nation of Israel will be when this promise is fulfilled to that Nation, if perhaps you read all of Ezekiel 36. So THAT can't be THE MYSTERY OF THE CHURCH, because unlike earthly Israel, I AM ALSO A NEW CREATURE far surpassing the new heart.

But what does that have to do with you accusing God of not having feelings? You seem rather daft at times. Ven do you have learning issues, reading issues?
---kathr4453 on 7/10/20


What do you think God has to change?
"I will give you a new heart and put a new Spirit within you , I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a new heart of flesh. I will put my Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, .. Ezekiel 36:26,27.

This happens to all who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. My problem Ven. Is you have GOD choose to torture people in hell for all eternity because. He didn't love them and didn't want to save them.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/10/20


Kath,You say some outrages things. I told you, you did not know what salvation is. Here you say: "
Ven, your arguments so give you away that you have no clue that OUR HEART is not in our flesh, but our soul and spirit,

So what you are saying is that you have no heart inside your body and so you are walking around with no heart. Talk about someone being crazy, you take the cake.
What do you think God has to change?
"I will give you a new heart and put a new Spirit within you , I will take the heart of stone out of your flesh and give you a new heart of flesh. I will put my Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, .. Ezekiel 36:26,27.
---ven. on 7/10/20


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So in other words ven, you pick and choose what scripture you believe based on your human understanding. Scripture clearly says GOD WAS GRIEVED TO HIS HEART. So, because you are a man with a human understanding it's YOU who diminish God to your understanding because you just can't grasp God has a heart, you must think is a human organ we place our hand over when we pledge allegance. YIKES

Ven, your arguments so give you away that you have no clue that OUR HEART is not in our flesh, but our soul and spirit, created after the image if God. It's the very core of our being, yet you claim God has no heart, because He's not human ?

What a sad sad state you are in ven. claiming to know God yet know nothing of God.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/20


Ephesians 4:30
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

The audacity of saying God has no feelings, is outrageous. I think ven believes not only is God a robot but so are these elect robots.

Anger is an emotion we see often in Scripture concerning God. Compassion is another. Jonah understood God was a compassionate God. having TENDER MERCIES , LOVINGKINDNESS, ETC. To say God has no feelings or emotions is to accuse God of being a psychopath.

I feel sorry for ven who's god is so diminished in his eyes.
---kath4453 on 7/9/20


Samuel, "Correct GOD wishes for all people to be saved. So if GOD makes up our mind for us. That would mean everyone goes to heaven. Agape" Samuel, we know God is God, He can do whatever He wants with sinners. Nothing stops Him from saving all, yet He doesn't.
" But the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shall save alive nothing: but thou shall utterly destroy them, namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as the Lord thy God has commanded thee." Deuteronomy 20:16,17. Thousands were slaughtered by the command of God. Women and children. Does God want to save all? I don't think so.
---ven. on 7/9/20


Kath, again you make God a man. He is not a man, He is Spirit, who has no body. No one has seen Him I can proof it, "No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him." John 1:18. And since He is Spirit, no one has see Him. He has no arms, legs, and has no feelings, emotions, He is in need of nothing from us.
Sinful man would strip Deity of God's Omniscience if they could. They want to bring Him to their level, you are one of those persons just remember, the carnal mind is at enmity against God.
---ven. on 7/8/20


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Correct GOD wishes for all people to be saved. So if GOD makes up our mind for us. That would mean everyone goes to heaven. Agape
---Samuelbb7 on 7/8/20


Here is a wonderful verse we see God DOES FEEL , ....

Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.


So again, the question asked, WHAT DO YOU THINK? Wrong question, it should be," what does scripture tell us what God feels about rebellion and rejection?

Now please look up the definition of grieve. It's quite intense if you've ever grieved. ven's question wants to test your knowledge of scripture hoping you don't read the bible, so that ven can rewrite his own scripture= CULT, and brainwash you into his thinking. Don't fall for it. JUST BELIEVE WHAT GOD SAID, not ven's cult interpretation of what he says God really ment.
---kath4453 on 7/7/20


Kath, there is nothing to twist on 2 Peter 3:9. If you took the time to read the whole message you too would have known that Peter was talking about the (Beloved) in verse 1 of chapter 3, at the beginning of the narrative, it says, Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle..." So you know Peter is speaking concerning the people he is writing to, the Beloved. God is long suffering toward us, the beloved, not willing that any should parish but that all come to repentance. Pretty simple when you read the Bible and allow the Holy Spirit to guide you.
---ven. on 7/7/20


ven again you twist scripture to say what you want. You make God look schitzo. All Peter had to say from the Calvin's perspective is, GOD IS WAITING FOR HIS ELECT TO REPENT. But that is not what the verse says. Only in your mind. That is only YOUR INTERPRETATION of scripture. Your interpretation is not the one and only final interpretation. Please understand that.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/20


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2 Peter 3:9, "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is long suffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all come to repentance. You need to first find out to whom is Peter talking to. He is talking to the believers, the beloved on verse (8). Whats the promise? The promise is His coming verse (4). The Lord doesn't want one His Beloved to perish but that all of the beloved come to repentance. Pretty simple.
Read the whole passage before you jump to conclusions and make your own religion.
---ven. on 7/6/20


So ven are you also saying God is a robot too. You know robots have no feelings. Seeing God is long-suffering not WILLING any should perish, show God has feelings about it. And showing God is not WILLING any to perish also shows men have free will to choose life or death. Since you are not God, I find it highly offensive that you feel some need to represent God's feelings on anything seeing you misrepresent God's Word.

I find your question offensive and borderline blasphemy. We know For GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. We know God hates sin. We know God is merciful, long-suffering ,compassionate. What else do you need to know ven?
---kathr4454 on 7/5/20


I think God is mostly disappointed but instead of dwelling on it, He takes action.

When Israel rejected His Son, God took the kingdom of God away from them. Matt 21:33-46. When the foolish bridesmaids didn't have enough oil (Holy Spirit) and later returned trying to get into the marriage, Jesus said He did not know them. Matt 25:1-12. Those who refuse to do the will of God will be told He never knew them, He will call them workers of iniquity, sinners. Matt 7:21-27.

God has done everything, including sending His Son to testify to the truth. His sheep hear His voice and He knows them, and they follow Him. John 10:24-31.
---barb on 7/5/20


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