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Who are you voting for? Please no arguments. Free country or Socialist country? And why?

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jerry6593:

Some Democrats are Marxists. Most aren't. Some Republicans are Nazis. Most aren't.

The "racial divide" is caused by our legal system. Police assault innocent people (mostly black) with no repercussions. When white and black people commit the same crimes, whites get a pat on the wrist while blacks get the book.

It's NOT REVENGE for 2016. Revenge is one of TRUMP'S chief motivations, and he ADMITS it. The man is not remotely Christian.

The American Civil War was a war of secession. The FINANCIAL divide in America today is the same as in France in the 18th century, and in THAT civil war, the peasants with pitchforks WON.
---StrongAxe on 7/28/20


Jerry projecting again? Yikes!
---kathr4453 on 7/28/20


You Marxist Democrats are hell-bent on destroying our beloved country. Look at the racial divide and the anarchy YOU are causing by supporting these Marxist organizations and their DC backers. And why? Because you lost an election to a guy you don't like? I didn't like Obama, but I didn't riot because of his having won.

You are going to start another civil war. And you WON'T win.


---jerry6593 on 7/28/20


ven:

Most women who have abortions don't do it because they want to. It's traumatic. Most have them because they don't have any other viable options. E.g. they're single, just barely making ends meet, and can't afford time off their jobs to have or raise a child, because in many jobs, if you take time off, you get fired. Or, if you take time off without pay, you can't afford rent, so you lose your home.

Republicans contribute to this problem by constantly cutting funds to infrastructures that help single mothers be able to afford to have children. Countries like DK and NL have LOWER abortion rates, even though abortion is freely available, because they address the symptom - unwanted pregnancy - by providing such infrastructures.
---StrongAxe on 7/27/20


Yes Nurse. Jerry is sadly spreading hate because he follows Trump. I am voting for Biden. Not 100 % for all he stand for. But Trump is not doing his job. He is also spreading hate and lies.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/27/20




mike, we are Christian, and as Christians we are called to help every human being when we can. I get all the excuses why it is not possible to do anything. That woman have rights. A woman with rights infringes on the life of a life fetus, who is now a child of God, and chooses to have that life murdered, that should be some kind of sentence. Who then speaks for the infant? We all should. We call ourselves Christian, we should have it in our hearts for the infant. We should hurt with them, scream with them.
---ven. on 7/27/20


As a Commandment-keeping Christian, how can you support the Party of lying, envy, theft, abortion, sexual perversion and enslavement, when there are commandments against these sins?
---jerry6593 on 7/27/20

LOL Jerry, I was about to asked you about how you can support Trump and the republicans who do the same thing you accuse the democrats of doing..

What a flaming hypocrite.
---NurseRobert on 7/27/20


jerry6593:

My previous post quoted TRUMP'S babbling from July 14, word for word. Can you quote specific babblings of Biden's? I'm listening.

Lying, envy, theft? That's Republicans. They want to take away Social Security we paid into our entire lives. Trump envies Obama's accomplishments (which is why he is undoing them all), and thinks he "deserves" a Nobel Prize.

Enslavement? There are Republicans TODAY saying slavery was NECESSARY (e.g. Tom Cotton, yesterday). No Democrats are.

Abortion? I repeatedly pointed out how other countries have LOWER abortion rates than the U.S. but conservatives would rather curse the darkness than turn on the light and follow their example.
---StrongAxe on 7/27/20


ax: You have gone so far off the deep end that your posts are reminiscent of Biden's unintelligible babblings. That's what communist brainwashing will do. Are you also holed up in a basement, afraid to venture out into the real world? Your Marxist Party has drug our nation through one hoax after another just because you are miffed that you LOST the 2016 election. You will lose again this year.



sam: As a Commandment-keeping Christian, how can you support the Party of lying, envy, theft, abortion, sexual perversion and enslavement, when there are commandments against these sins?
---jerry6593 on 7/27/20


Trump has failed to help stop the deaths. His followers look to him like he is the Messiah. They refuse facts. His constant lies are killing people.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/26/20




jerry6593:

You complain about Biden occasionally making gaffes, but Trump is CONSTANTLY making speeches that are rambling word salads. I quoted a small sample of his last one in my last message. You can see it all on the White House official web site, if you want. Google: Trump shower speech.

This is a man who looks into eclipses, says windmills cause cancer, recommends injecting bleach, and wanted to nuke a hurricane. COVID-19 is too dangerous to hold a Republican convention, but it's safe for millions of children to go to school?! And you think BIDEN has mental issues?! Wake up and smell the covfefe!
---StrongAxe on 7/26/20


jerry6593:

Trump 7/14:

you take a shower, the water doesn't come out. You want to wash your hands, the water doesn't come out. So what do you do? You just stand there longer or you take a shower longer? Because my hair - I don't know about you, but it has to be perfect. Perfect.

Dishwashers - you didn't have any water, so you - the people that do the dishes - you press it, and it goes again, and you do it again and again. So you might as well give them the water because you'll end up using less water. So we made it so dishwashers now have a lot more water. And in many places - in most places of the country, water is not a problem. They don't know what to do with it. It's called "rain." They don't have a problem.
---StrongAxe on 7/25/20


TRUMP, TRUMP, TRUMP!

Biden is a gaff-making joke.

Trump has done much to clean up the wreckage left by Obama the Horrible.

Socialism is stupidity, created by atheists to destroy civilizations. It has been tried many times worldwide with the same disastrous results. No true Christian should come anywhere near such a godless system of envy, theft and enslavement.


---jerry6593 on 7/25/20


Cuts will also affect cuts in Medicare and Medicade, we are already seeing Trump wants to do away with Obama Care before he even has a plan in effect...a plan not to cover pre-existing illnesses, that will include complications from Covid 19. This will widen the gap even more between the rich and poor as to who lives and dies. This playing God is beyond me where they prioritize the soul of an unborn over the soul of those on this side of the womb. ALL LIFE MATTERS is their slogan yet don't follow that one either.
---kathr4453 on 7/25/20


ven I know what you mean I too am against the cessation of life. it is the heart that needs to change. the sad part about it is we cannot force women. you can close all the abortion clinics but you cannot end abortion. that is why it will start from the heart.
---mike on 7/25/20


Trump said he will veto the a stimulus package unless includes cuts to Social Security payroll taxes.

Short-term effects: it will increase people's take-home pay, but by how much? Since Social Security deductions are based on your income, this will affect poor people the least, and the rich will benefit most.

Long-term effects: it will bankrupt the Social Security fund. Despite his PROMISE in 2016 to not touch Social Security and Medicare, he is now promising to gut both of those programs, and this new move is just another nail in the coffin. ANYONE who has EVER paid into that system when they were young, based on the PROMISE that they will be able to collect back when they retire should be outraged at this.
---StrongAxe on 7/24/20


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---ven. on 7/23/20

If you support Trump and the republicans you are NOT for the poor. If you were you would be fighting for them.

Its a shame that you so pro-fetus, you fail to see the other side. You think women have abortions because they like it? Why do you wingers think you should get to control woman?

Again, how many unwanted children have you adopted? People like you don't get to judge who is a Christian and who is not..
---NurseRobert on 7/24/20


The problem is THIS NEW KIND OF CAPITALISM. Comparing this NEW Capitalism of GREED beyond words, which i find actually funny that folks like ven who claim to be poor are all for. Hes not going to profit from this NEW kind of Capitalism. But he buys into all the propaganda of these GREEDY Capitalists helping to promote this godless mentality. Even Bill Gates who is one of the richest men in the world does not buy into this kind of greed. This top-heavy 1% while the middle class is getting crushed and poor getting poorer, now with Corona will be evicted from their homes and ven will say SO WHAT along with other ignoramuses who watch FOX News and its propaganda garbage until they are thrown into the streets.
---kathr4453 on 7/24/20


GOD fearing people would not buy and sell people as done in America. They would be hypocrites.

Biden is not a Socialist. But he is for helping people. We can have some programs for helping people that can be labeled socialist such as setting up a 40 hour work week and Social Security. But still be a free county. Like Canada.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/23/20


Nurse, I am for the poor, since I have being poor all of my life. I guess I'm rich now because I have a car and a house. And I am against abortion. I was convince after I saw a documentary about, Partial Birth Abortion. I remember seeing babies head being pulled out, head broken open, and the brains suck out with something that looked like a vacuum cleaner.
I will always be against the slaughter of innocent infants. If someone says he is a Christian and he votes for abortion, he is not a Christian, no matter how holy he or she wants be.
---ven. on 7/23/20


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Kathrine
Thank you for that. I have always wondered how God fearing people could justify buying and selling humans as if they were livestock.
---David on 7/23/20


David, I'm sorry about your sister. Sad. It's funny how Jesus said to go to all nations and preach the Gospel, yet that wasn't the case here. Because the Puritans tried to take over and control England they got thrown out and then made some crazy claim that this was Gods NEW PROMISE LAND and we were Gods New Chosen People, robbing Israel of its birth rite and covenant promises only given to Israel. God never made a covenant with a Gentile Nation. SO HERE WE ARE generations later in a huge mess I believe all came from this false premise, where we murdered the Natives, SAYING THEY WERE THE ITES IN JOSHUA giving them permission to kill and steal their land....and then stealing Africans for labor ....even Israel never did that.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/20


I think we realize now how wrong we were to have tried to strip Native Americans of their heritage, forcing them not to speak or enjoy their customs by punishing them.---kathr4453

Another good example. My parents adopted two little Indian girls as infants. Both raised in a loving home, a home where no one drank alcohol, and both turned into alcoholics. My little sister died from alcoholism a year ago.

People dont understand what it is like for them to be depicted in movies, as savages. But at least the Indians have their ancestry, a heritage. Folks without a heritage, those who came from slaves, they create one. And for some, they have become a Hollywood depiction.
---David on 7/22/20


Mike, a lot of folks think he's testing the waters here, picking on DEMOCRATIC Cities and states in hopes he can implement this more fully around Nov, creating such havoc in hopes of escalating folks won't want to come out to vote. If they keep vote by mail impossible, along with states closing polling places in areas where democrats are in high population, or just creating havoc like we had here in GA, is for his hopes of stealing the election. If you study other countries, you'll see similar patterns of unrest precede elections. Yes, we are becoming THAT COUNTRY NOW.
---kathr4453 on 7/22/20


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trump is NOW sending secret police. is this what you call freedom?
---mike on 7/21/20


David, I see you are very perceptive here re African Americans. You see this I believe correctly, as I had never thought of it that way until now. I totally agree with you. I think we realize now how wrong we were to have tried to strip Native Americans of their heritage, forcing them not to speak or enjoy their customs by punishing them. Taking their children forcing them to take ENGLISH names, and haircuts etc. and I think even those I wounds have never healed.
---kathr4453 on 7/21/20


---ven. on 7/21/20

And what is wrong with them getting healthcare?? Are you jealous of that?

Of course your against abortion, so am I. I do understand it is necessary at times. Abortion should be infrequent, but safe. Are you too dense to understand that?

Why are you so against poor people?

What church to do you attend?
---NurseRobert on 7/21/20


ven:

If you support health care, why support a president who petitioned the Supreme Court to invalidate ACA, which will throw 20 million people OFF health care? In the middle of a pandemic?! And who promises to cancel Social Security and Medicare if re-elected? He will veto a second stimulus package unless it cuts Social Security taxes (which will bankrupt the SS system).

Why do you accuse NurseRobert of wanting the government to pay for abortion? Federal law forbids ANY federal money from going to abortion (PP doesn't using ANY federal funds for that), yet people keep wanting to defund it. All the other things it provides (cancer screenings, birth control, etc.) are actually HEALTH CARE.
---StrongAxe on 7/21/20


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Nurse, I support healthcare. I am bless I have some kind of healthcare, if not I would be getting everything free in Cal. People just walk in and they cannot refuse anyone. All the homeless, and illegals get free care. You must be talking about abortion, you want us to pay for the killing of innocent infants. I am not for that. You shouldn't either.
---ven. on 7/21/20


It is funny how we tend to judge folks as strange, just because they dont act and think as we do. Racism is built on this fact.

Many people have a problem with blacks referring to themselves as African Americans. I embrace it, because in it, they have developed a culture of their own, a culture, of which they were stripped when they came to America.

Not until we learn to embrace them as African Americans, having their own heritage, their very own culture, will the anger they feel towards America subside. We must identify the problem before we can find a solution. And I believe, this is the problem.
---David on 7/21/20


---ven. on 7/20/20

Studied socialism? Then tell us what type of socialism is England or Sweden, or Holland?

If you support Trump you do not support life. If you cared about life you would be fighting for universal healthcare. If you don't support health care, you do not support life. If you valued life you would stop supporting immoral wars..
---NurseRobert on 7/20/20


ven:

Some things on video:
1) One officer planted drugs on a suspect to justify arresting him, and forgot his cam was on.
2) Officers who wanted to arrest someone were discussing what charge to make up, on an a hot mic.
3) In Minneapolis, there was a man dressed totally in black who was cooly and systematically breaking windows at the Home Depot (totally unlike someone in an enraged mob). When protesters asked what he was doing, he said nothing. When one protester repeatedly asked "Are you a cop?", then man backed off, and ran away. (caught on video).
4) WHITE looters in Minneapolis.

When have I ever said "the blacks can do no wrong"? Stop projecting others' attitudes on me.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/20


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---ven. on 7/20/20

"They mostly have a violent nature." What a horribly racist thing to say. Are you saying Black people are violent by nature? Are you claiming God made black people violent?

Where do you go to Church and does your church teach you this foolishness?

You have NO credibility.
---NurseRobert on 7/20/20


Nurse, you say , "You claim to be Christian, but don't support feeding the hungry or healing the sick. Your attitude is "the poor should die and decrease the surplus population" You speak lies. I care for the poor, healing the sick. I was poor all my life, so I know what it means to have nothing. I don't believe they should die, I don't know why you bring those charges against me. You fabricate lies. You also say, "Again, your belief that socialist countries are not free is ignorance at its best. Tell us, how do you get an education when its priced out of your range." I don't have an education over city college, but I know about Socialist country means, because I have studied what Socialism is.
---ven. on 7/20/20


There was a picture taken of a policeman in civilian cloths starting a fire and that police department was confronted with the picture of one of its police. Of coarse they denied it. But the PIX is very clearly him. ALSO, what we see going on in Portland is disturbing as well, people being kidnapped and taken away with hoods over their heads not even remotely close to federal buildings by the FEDERAL POLICE Trump sent in, is creating more havoc than help. It's all under investigation.

You know David, not too long ago there was a whole police dept in FL that were outed for being members of the KKK. You think they wouldn't pull crap like that and shift the blame? YEA RIGHT.
---kathr4453 on 7/20/20


ven:

Documented on video:
1) Cop planting drugs on a suspect, forgot cam was on
2) Cops discussing what crime to frame a suspect with
3) Man in black calmly smashing Home Depot windows, and fled when asked if he was a cop

I never said "blacks can do no wrong". But YOU said "They mostly have a violent nature."

Saying people are violent BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE is the very definition of racism. Rich blacks in gated communities are no more violent than anyone else - violence is related to ENVIRONMENT, not RACE. Black communities are poor due to systematic red-lining, i.e. racist districting favoring whites.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/20


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There are documented cases of police committing acts of vandalism and violence just to frame BLM.
---StrongAxe


StrongAxe
You say documented. Is there actually video of the police starting all these fires?
---David on 7/20/20


Axe, the excuses you come out with is unbelievable. The blacks can do no wrong, as far as you are concern when in fact, blacks with one of a percentage of people so small they have one of the highest amounts of crime. They mostly have a violent nature.
Remember the L.A. riots? The blacks were burning everything in site, braking windows, beating up whites and Koreans. Mexicans were stealing TV's, getting as much free stuff as they could. Today it is still the same, it seems they are just waiting for an excuse to attack someone and steal their Nike's.
---ven. on 7/20/20


David:

One of Trump's weapons is a technique called "stochastic terrorism". This is when a powerful leader vaguely hints at his displeasure at something, which implicitly encourages one of his followers to commit an act of terrorism, but his own hands are "clean".

Trump does this often (see previous message).

This happened in 1170. After Thomas a Beckett, Archbishop of Canterbury excommunicated several people closed to King Henry II, Henry said "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" Four knights then killed Beckett.

There are documented cases of police committing acts of vandalism and violence just to frame BLM.
---StrongAxe on 7/19/20


ven
you call democrats socialist yet GOP give millions in handouts to big corp. love of money is the root of all evil. with the current situation happening is shows how GOP trump only cares about themselves.
---mike on 7/19/20


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He encourages mob mentality.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
He does, but he does it a little bit differently than the way its usually done. Usually someone from within, a like minded Group, which turns into a Mob, provides the motivation for the Mob mentality.

But in the case of Trump, he provides the motivation for like minded groups, who oppose him, to become the Mob.

BLM are not Trump supporters, and yet he has caused them to act like criminals. Their plight was honorable, but when Trump causes them to act like a Mob, their actions become dishonorable.
Result?
Even those who once saw their plight as honorable, turn against them.
---David on 7/19/20


--ven. on 7/18/20

It most certainly is an ignorant statement. If you love this country, then you fight for the change that makes it better. You would rather see the rich get richer (maybe you are one of them) and the poor get poorer.

You claim to be Christian, but don't support feeding the hungry or healing the sick. Your attitude is "the poor should die and decrease the surplus population">

You complain about "beating on the police" but refuse to acknowledge the crimes perpertrated by the police.

Again, your belief that socialist countries are not free is ignorance at its best. Tell us, how do you get an education when its priced out of your range.
---NurseRobert on 7/19/20


David:

Yes, hate is bad, and mobs are prone to that, but think on this. Most presidents seek to unite. Trump seeks to divide. He encourages mob mentality. People who disagree with him are "his enemies".

He said we should worry that Hillary would take our guns (a lie), but "second amendment people" shouldn't worry - implying someone should assassinate her if elected.

He warned that if people opposed him, he had many friends in the military, police, AND BIKERS - encouraging vigilatne "justice".

This week, DHS deployed undercover troops in camouflage to Portland OR that grab people off the streets and throw them into unmarked cars, and take them who knows where. WE ARE NOW A POLICE STATE.
---StrongAxe on 7/18/20


mike, you admit, liberals are socialist. Glad someone admitted that. And, my questions are pretty easy to answer. Who you voting for, and what do you want this country to be, Free country or a socialist country?
and why? There is no need to get hostile. Kath throws insults the nurse wants a socialist country. It's always the same. Ask easy questions and some so call Christians come unglued.
---ven. on 7/18/20


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violence? trump supports white supremacists, gassed protestors to show how 'religious' he is holding a bible, did not say anything about bounties on US soldier & loves dictators like kim. is this trump under the cover name ven?
---mike on 7/18/20


socialist are lazy? trump became a 'billionare' because he was hard working or a thief who break laws to enrich himself? trumps 4 yrs the only person trump is looking after is himself not the constitution, the people HIMSELF. GOP will create damage to the economy & ask for bailouts give to corp, televangelists that does NOT help economy. trumps 2020 slogan is vote for trump & I blame china for the mess in US
---mike on 7/18/20


socialist society? sounds like the bailout for big corporations & CEOs televangelist. yeah democrats are socialist but give billions of bailout to corporations who are making billions already. ven your question is hypocrisy. free society? look at trump lawlessness is NOT free society. the SCOTUS says no man even the president is above the LAW
---mike on 7/18/20


StrongAxe
Spiritually speaking, God wants us to love one another, and Satan wants us to hate each other. Hate is important to Satan, because it separates us from God.

Hate is an ember that burns in the heart of man. And nothing creates hatred like having a Mob mentality, which is what happens when we allow Satan to divide us.

God wants us to see everyone as a Brother or as a Sister. To create division, Satan wants us to see ourselves in a perspective Group/Mobs. We are either Black or White, Republican or Democrat, Protestant or Catholic, American or Russian....etc...etc...etc...

There will be no...But..But..when we stand before God.
---David on 7/18/20


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I also don't want to see my tax dollars going into some sort of STAR WARS nonsense. Can you see Trump as the new Captain Kirk. Oh please. We don't have the money now that Trump squandered away 2.2 Trillion by doing NOTHING these past 3 months that money and time could have flattened the curve for the whole of the USA if we were all on the same page. Now it's worse than ever, REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS losing their homes and businesses, because of a moron in office. Cuomo in NY, a DEMOCRAT sure put his state in the right direction not only saving the people but his economy, that both Republicans and Democrats will benefit from. That's the kind of leadership we need in the WH.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/20


Nurse, it is not an ignorant statement, if you don't like the country, and like the violence the beating on the policeman, the slaughter of innocent babies, don't like our government, want to make it a socialist country, you should leave the country and find a country that fits you. No, you want to change what we have to your liking.
This is a free country, people come here to make something of themselves, get an education, and make as much money as they can, live a happy life, but no, you want to tear it down.
Your kind are a bunch of socialist liberals.
---ven. on 7/18/20


---ven. on 7/17/20

What an ignorant statement. I want to stay here and make this country better, not leave it up to the rich. You have no clue what the left wants. Unlike you, we want our money spent to help people not pay for immoral wars or the make the rich richer. We want our money to help people,not fund the militarization of the police.

And your comment about people coming here to make a better life...Trump locked them up after separating them from their children. Are you saying you're for concentration camps?
---NurseRobert on 7/17/20


ven:

Most liberals do NOT "love violence". Also, NOW, since Trump has taken office, people from around the world want to stay AWAY from America. Canada, Mexico, and Europe have closed their borders against the U.S.


David:

It is citizens' jobs to make wise choices in electing their government, so they must judge their candidate wisely.

Many evangelicals constanty judged Obama, yet when others judge Trump by the same yardstick, they hypocritically scream "don't judge!". They believe Trump is "God's chosen", yet provide no evidence other than that Trump advocates the same right-wing political agenda they personally like. If it's fair game to judge Obama and Biden, Trump is fair game too.
---StrongAxe on 7/17/20


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I'm not perfect, but I don't BOAST that lying, cheating, stealing, and adultery are good things - which Trump does.---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
Though many people may not acknowledge it, God will chasten a Christian, when they Judge. You are a sinner too, and as a sinner, couldnt people could make the same claim about you?
Just saying, God does...and he takes a dim view of those who judge.

Been there, done that, and roundly punished.....every time.
---David on 7/17/20


For most of you liberals, who love the violence, don't want the police force, who want everything for free, go to those countries that you talk about, if you don't like it here. We have our freedoms here. But not freedom to destroy what other people have worked so hard for. Anyone that comes to this country can make a better life for them and their families. People want to come here from all over the world. In the mean time most of the liberals who don't like it here, who always complain, should just leave. I don't think anyone would mind.
---ven. on 7/17/20


What ven doesn't realize is this country is already operating on socialist values. FREE LIBRARIES. And ven, do you have your own personally owned highway you roll out every time you drive somewhere? Taxes pay for public education. All these FREE THINGS are socialism. To be a socialist Democracy is not the same as a socialism dictatorship. England, Canada , Australia just to name a few are Democracies. And they are FREE PEOPLE.

This false propaganda you will not be free is FALSE. If taxes pay for public education it should also pay for healthcare. Mind and body go together. No one is asking for free gasoline, free country club memberships, free million dollar homes.
---kathr4453 on 7/16/20


David:

I'm not perfect, but I don't BOAST that lying, cheating, stealing, and adultery are good things - which Trump does.


ven:

People aren't "lazy and wanting everything for free". They want tax dollars they themselves worked hard for to go back to things that benefit them, not to the rich and huge corporations. Our current administration is cutting taxes for the rich and corporations while wanting to cut social security that we paid for our entire lives.

The $2 trillion COVID bailout: if half of 350 million people are adults ($1200 each) and half are children ($500 each), that's $300 billion - less than 1/6 of the total. A similar amount for UI. The $1.4 trillion left (almost 5x) went to corporations.
---StrongAxe on 7/16/20


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---ven. on 7/15/20
Your responses shows your ignorance of the world and, specifically, what Socialism is. Are you telling me that Great Britain, Germany, all of the Scandinavian countries, Japan, Australia, Belgium, Canada, France don't have freedom?

I don't want things for free, I want my taxes to go towards helping people in this country, not for wars and making the rich richer.

Lazy, I've worked my back side off for the last 50 years, and still going. Tell us Ven, what did you do the the socialist check Donnie just sent you?
---NurseRobert on 7/16/20


Strongest...i did not say who I was voting for.
---KarenD on 7/16/20


David, you wrote: "Ven
There are no two subjects, I can think of, which are almost impossible on which to change a persons mind. I have monitored CN for many years, and I don't recall ever seeing anyone being convinced, by someone else, to change their political affiliation or their doctrine.

David, what I believe is that many here listen but do not answer. They then look for themselves and finally realize that they have being wrong all along. God will lead them to the truth. If God wants someone to know something He will set it up putting the person with the information and also the person who has to learn another truth. All the work of God. It might also get to people who never answer.
---ven. on 7/16/20


I believe when we see Mitt, we see a man who knows right from wrong , totally squashing the Calvinist's doctrine, if you believe that Mormons are not saved. Now Calvinist's just may believe Jesus doesn't care what faith you are, all that matters is you are one of the Elect. So either the Lost can and do know right from wrong, and are not DEPRAVED dead animals , or TRUMP is totally depraved seeing he has never repented being totally oblivious of right and wrong. Cheating on your wife is a sin in need of repentance. So if anyone is depraved here it's TRUMP. Yet we have those claiming they are Christians following the depraved. Hummm.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/20


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Nurse, of course you would object anything I say, I don't expect you to jump for joy and sing songs. People like you who think socialism is OK are what I call lazy and want everything free. Plus they don't want anyone to have what they already have, working hard. People that have worked hard for what they have, and you want for someone, the government to control everything. You are just plain lazy.
---ven. on 7/15/20


Instead of following Jesus and the Ten Commandments, Trump BOASTS of adultery, theft, and vengeance, and lied 20,000+ times since inauguration alone.
---StrongAxe


StrongAxe
Are you following Jesus? Dont go there brother.

Judge not, and ye shall not be judged. Condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned. Forgive, and ye shall be forgiven. Give, and it shall be given unto you: good measure, pressed down and shaken together and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete, therewith it shall be measured to you again.
(Luke 6:37-38)
---David on 7/16/20


KarenD:

If you are shocked by Mormons, why are you NOT shocked by Trump? His "spiritual advisor" Paula White said "Anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan". Jesus said "Deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me" - so she said Jesus is from Satan.

She also preaches the Prosperity "gospel", and asked people to send her their January salaries to prove their faith. When others need financial help, they should pray and trust God, but when SHE needs financial help, she preys (on her followers) rather than trusting God.

Instead of following Jesus and the Ten Commandments, Trump BOASTS of adultery, theft, and vengeance, and lied 20,000+ times since inauguration alone.
---StrongAxe on 7/15/20


Ven
There are no two subjects, I can think of, which are almost impossible on which to change a persons mind. I have monitored CN for many years, and I dont recall ever seeing anyone being convinced, by someone else, to change their political affiliation or their doctrine.

Though I will discuss these subjects, I find it futile to start an argument about either one. And in the case of politics, it always becomes an argument.

In the case of someone following a false doctrine, I see them much like someone smoking a cigarette, and the doctrine of Christ, a pale of water in which to throw those cigarettes. Sadly though, many just dont want to quit smoking.
---David on 7/15/20


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Youre assuming a socialist country cant be a free country?

I reject the premise of your question
---NurseRobert on 7/15/20


KarenD, years ago I was against Mitt for those very reasons . But regardless of Mitt's faith, ( TRUMP HAS NO FAITH which I find worse) I find he is a man who knows and understands the Constitution and stands up for the rule of Law in ways I don't see any other Republicans doing. He's also not two faced. He's not afraid of Trump or his hateful criticism, showing strong leadership abilities. He's not running, but if he chose to run against Trump I would absolutely vote for Mitt over Trump without blinking an eye. If something happens between now and Nov to Trump, there's a possibility he could be drafted, though I doubt it.

I think years ago many felt the Same way about JFK being Catholic, fearful the RCC would control him. It didnt.
---kathr4453 on 7/15/20


Ven, David is correct too. You need to maybe pose your question differently. What if I posted the same but said, ....A free country or one ruled by a dictator terrorist Republican? See, you loaded your question right out of the gate to be offensive. Do you also do that on purpose with your religion.....GOD PICKED ME, BUT NOT YOU...BOO HOO HOO. Discussing doctrine etc is not political, or wasn't until the Moral Majority pushed their way into politics. The Moral Majority is not Christianity. However today in America I don't think there is much difference between secular morality and Christianitor rather APOSTATE CHRISTIANITY, GENERIC CHRISTIANITY.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/20


David, the other you forgot is religion. And that is what everyone does. Just about. Some here are from different backgrounds. Just like you want others to learn about the Lord, you want others to learn on who to vote for since it pertains to your life and your family. many just keep to themselves. I thought it was a great question, but you do not have to answer. You are still my friend.
---ven. on 7/14/20


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ven:

You asked for "no arguments", yet you post a biased and loaded question. The very tone invites arguments, as the question presumes one answer is correct and the other is wrong. It also assumes a false dichotomy, i.e. if you vote Republican, you want a free country, while if you vote Democrat, you want a socialist country (with all the horrible baggage the right tends to associate with that word), and those two black and white outcomes are the only possibilities.

Do you like public roads, public power utilities, libraries, radio/TV, internet, police? Because all of these things are publicly owned. Can you imagine only getting police protection if police were capitalist, and you had to buy a monthly subscription?
---StrongAxe on 7/14/20


Shocked that kath would vote for a man who believes that Jesus and Lucifer are spiritual brothers and whose religion baptized for the dead.
---KarenD on 7/14/20


Youre assuming a socialist country cant be a free country?

I reject the premise of your question
---NurseRobert on 7/14/20


Ven
I agree with Kathrine on this one. A wise man once said, Never argue religion and politics. It would be invaluable to be able to discuss such matters, but in most cases, it is impossible to have a mature discussion about them.

Not that the people who argue are Immature, but they, like no other subject, evoke the emotion of hatred.
Hatred can make the most stable person sound like a little child.

With that said, I admire your maturity when we discuss the differences in our religious beliefs.
---David on 7/14/20


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No doubt President Trump
---michael_e on 7/14/20


Kath, you now say: "
Sorry ven, but you are asking a question that ensures arguments, just by your question, and your added verbiage already accusing ....yikes. I really wish Mitt Romney was running. Such an honest person."

Every passage I write that you answer, always ensures arguments. So not only politics ensure arguments, The Truth ensures arguments. You seem to be OK with that. Someone has blinded the left for they do not see which direction the country is heading to.
And that is real blindness.
---ven. on 7/14/20


Too funny. This idea that we might become a socialist country if we don't keep the Republican Terrorists in is so stupid. No arguments...over this question??? Politics today causes unbelievable arguments. Actually when it comes to politics, it's actually rude to ask someone that question.

Sorry ven, but you are asking a question that ensures arguments, just by your question, and your added verbiage already accusing ....yikes. I really wish Mitt Romney was running. Such an honest person.
---kathr4453 on 7/13/20


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