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Can Anyone Understand Gospel

Do those who are lost, need ears to hear the Gospel truth? or can anyone hear the spiritual truth in order to believe it?

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David, of course this is addressed to those saved aka justified as I pointed out we must be justified by faith first. And as a result of our justification God has already at that point of our sincere faith baptized you into Christ's death and resurrection life. It's really up to us to KNOW THESE FACTS and OBEY THESE FACTS if you have been born again.

Your still making up excuses to not obey these facts.
---kathr4453 on 10/1/20

I am not disputing what Paul or Peter said. I am only disputing your understanding of who they are speaking about.

They are saying it about those who have been Born Again, those who are born of God. The very fact, someone sins, is a sign this has not happened, according to Jesus (John 8:34 & 35) (1 John 3:9 & 10)
Can it still happen? Absolutely...but only if you make Jesus, your Lord.

How do you make Jesus Lord?
And why call ye Me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? (Luke 6:46)
You and many others are taught this is works and obedience to God plays no role in ones Salvation. Go back read the Gospel and make confession of sin a daily part of your life.
---David on 10/1/20

To any that see and hear... can understand....
Elect and predestinate, same family. The entirety of Romans is written to all of Israel... both houses all twelve nations.

Rom 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, .......

Rom 8:29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Go Trump.... you ole patriotic sinner you.... who loves loves GOD and his country, exposing / outing daily the traitors and haters, of this nation. We got your 6.
---Trav on 10/1/20

David , yes I'm glad you reworded according to scripture. Now go and read what Peter has to say on this subject in 1 Peter 4. THOSE WHO HAVE SUFFERED IN THE FLESH HAVE CEASED FROM SIN. So we see this suffering is not a self inflicted suffering, but as Paul testifies to in Philippians 3, THE FELLOWSHIP OF "HIS SUFFERING", BEING MADE CONFORMABLE TO HIS DEATH...

So David THIS is the way to VICTORY over sin scripture teaches. And that victory is living in the NEW MAN, that can only be done by daily putting to death through the Holy Spirit ..the old man.

Romans 8....EVERY WORD explains this truth.
---kathr4453 on 9/30/20

David Paul does not say SIN is destroyed. ---kath4453

I will reword it so you dont miss the point I want to make.

Paul says....(Romans 6:5-6)....our old man is crucified with Him,so that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

If we are crucified, we die,....correct?
If we die, our death destroys the body of sin, because it must die with the Old Man. You dont agree with this, can you explain why?
---David on 9/30/20

David Paul does not say SIN is destroyed.

Because YOU don't understand what Paul is saying YOU argue against the truth. If you keep saying what Paul never said, building a straw man you can knock down, you've only argued against something never said in the first place.

Everything about our old man is sin, and sin will ALWAYS be in its members, as Paul shows in Romans 7. Paul also said Jesus set us free from the body of this death....

If you simply can't believe what God has said, you have NO FAITH in this area. Not all men have faith. So with that , You're going to have to work out these truths with the Lord. I can only testify to them and point you to them. I can't make you believe and obey them.
---kath4453 on 9/29/20

(Romans 6:5-6)...our old man is crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Paul says, Sin is that we should not serve sin. Now if we sin, after we believe sin has been destroyed,....has our Old Man been crucified?

If we do...what purpose does it serve for the Old Man to die...or for sin to be destroyed?
---David on 9/29/20

Here Paul reiterates this again, and through out scripture. John in 1 John 3:14. You know you have passed from death to life when .....

We died with Christ, buried with Him being baptized into His death and are raised up together with Him a NEW CREATURE. Those IN CHRIST have experienced the second death here and now , and will not face the second death at the great white throne judgement. WE will be part of the FIRST RESURRECTION.

2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. Yes read the whole chapter.

Jesus fortold this in John 12:24 for those who don't like Pauls teaching.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/20

To be IN THE LIGHT is to be in the Spirit...because the SPIRIT OF HIM is GOD and only GOD IS LIGHT. We cannot in our own strength even put to death the deeds of the flesh,AKA SIN, only CHRIST IN YOU via The Holy Spirit can. Anything else is SELF SANCTIFICATION SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS, Phariseeism.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit "do mortify" (AKA PUT TO DEATH) the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/20

David, sin never dies....its WE who die to sin. Paul takes us further into this Grace in which we stand, stating "SHALL WE CONTINUE TO SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND...GOD FORBID...DONT YOU KNOW???" ..Romans 6-8.

As I said, you got off the train too early, and will never know VICTORY of being freed from sin. So you will spend the rest of your life flogging your old flesh for sin, because YOU CHOSE to keep your old man alive in sin. Paul answered the question to sin....his understanding that in our old man sin will always be present,Romans 7, where Jesus Christ has delivered us from the body of this death....AND GOES ON IN ROMANS 8...there is therefore no condemnation to those who are now in the Spirit...Romans 8:11-13..
---kathr4453 on 9/27/20

The word Died, is another major area in which we disagree. I define, death, as not exhibiting life. If sin has died in someone, how can they sin, if that which caused them to sin, has died?

Jesus called, Everyone who sins, a slave to sin. But again, this is the foundation on which I have built, so its very difficult to discuss this subject with someone who has built on another.

But truly, I do enjoy our conversations. We agree on somethings, so that must suffice for now.
---David on 9/27/20

David, I'm showing you how Scripture shows us we die to sin, and now walk in the Spirit. This is how the power of sin is broken over us. Yes, still humans we do fail, and we do immediately acknowledge our failure the moment we fail, because the Holy Spirit within us convicts us of sin. But TODAY , IN CHRIST, sin is so much more than what the law spelled out. EXAMPLE... Under the law, selfishness was not a sin...but IN CHRIST IT IS, as we see Philippians 2 show keep this mind in us as it was also in Christ Jesus.

What I'm saying David is GROWING UP INTO THE FULLNESS AND STATUTE OF CHRIST takes so much more than daily confession of sin. To be conformed to His Image is being conformed to His death.....Philippians 3.
---kathr4453 on 9/26/20

Confession of sin keeps us in the light of God, and without that light, we live in darkness. This becomes evident, when someone who doesnt confess sin or hasnt done so in a long time, experiences the obvious cleansing and forgiveness of sin, promised in (1 John 1:9).

When folks are in the light, after the cleaning, then they will feel guilt for their sin, a guilt not felt for sin before the confession. Why did they not feel the guilt? Because before the confession, they were in the dark, and didnt recognize the sin in their life.

This guilt, when one remains in the light, will cause less sin, which means you are keeping the Lords commandments, which brings you the love of God. The greater the love, the less we sin.
---David on 9/26/20

David, I've always stated, I do not believe in a CHEAP GRACE. But I think what you seem to disagree with me here is that I go even further....A TOTAL YIELDING of our lives and living in that truth of Romans 6-8, Romans 12:1-2...A far deeper life in Grace than merely confessing our sins daily. To realize our life is IN CHRIST, and Christ is IN US..John 17, Colossians 1:24-27, resulting in Galatians 2:20-21 Colossians 3:1-4....Romans 6-8. THIS seems to be the point of disagreement between our beliefs you fight me on. Either you got off the train early, or you think you can do it all on your own. I can't do it on my own, so I stayed on that train, and it took me to places beyond ones imagination here...**** Ephesians 3:14-21***
---kathr4453 on 9/25/20

Many carry (John 3:16) as a mere guidon, without truly understanding its meaning and the value of this teaching, which when understood, can lead one straight to Gods promised salvation.

If someone believes Jesus is the Son of God, they should also see him as the sacrificial Lamb of God. If they believe he is the sacrificial Lamb of God, they will demonstrate their belief, by confessing their sin before him. If we do not confess our sin before him, we show God, we do not believe in him.

Many folks disagree with my assessment of (John 3:16), that is, until they confess their sin before God, whereby they actually experience the cleansing mentioned in (John 1:9). If confession was a one off, nothing would happen.
---David on 9/25/20

David, I believe what God said here in 1 John. I also believe Jesus does not have to die and be sacrificed over and over. Therefore I don't believe in a limited atonement.

1John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
---kathr4453 on 9/24/20

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Here is are a few of thousands that foundation doctrine truth..... watch.

Luke 1:54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
Luk 1:55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Luk 1:72To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant,
Luk 1:77To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
---Trav on 9/24/20

A daily confession for we sin daily. When we sin we need to talk to GOD. Ask his forgiveness and pray for strength to do better.

Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/20

Then Jesus the promised Messiah came ....which all those OT things pointed to...the FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS. and sin not covered year after year but ONCE AND FOR ALL.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/20

What does this mean to you, that Jesus died for sin once and for all?
I believe Jesus because the, Once and for All, sacrificial required for sin, but confession of sin is still required.

Do you believe confession of sin is a one off...or a daily requirement for the daily sinner?
---David on 9/24/20

So David, we see by the chapter of Hebrews 10, the Law pointed to Jesus Christ. In the OT the blood of bulls and goats only COVERED sin, but only for a year. This is why sacrifices had to be made over and over. This goes all the way back to Abel's blood sacrifice being accepted, and Cain's wheat...or bloodless sacrifice rejected. We see Job sacrificed for the sins of his sons...

The Law only created a more perfect picture pointing to Christ re Mercy seat, ,,,all made after a pattern of things in heaven...PICTIONARY ....

Then Jesus the promised Messiah came ....which all those OT things pointed to...the FINISHED WORKS OF CHRIST ON THE CROSS. and sin not covered year after year but ONCE AND FOR ALL.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/20

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So I believe ALL OF JOHN is pointing to the time of AFTER Jesus death and resurrection, as NO ONE can be IN CHRIST or Christ in them until after His resurrection. ---kathr4453

Which by itself, proves, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the way unto salvation. It could not have died with him, because everything he taught was not possible, until after his ascension.

Many folks wonder if they follow a false doctrine. And the only way to know, is to see if it makes the Gospel of Christ, the Truth...or a Lie. Many, unknowingly, make the teachings of Jesus a complete lie.
---David on 9/23/20

Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

The lambs book of life FROM the foundation of the world
Revelation13:8, would most likely start out something like this:

Just to name a few. Also see Hebrews 11.

The same John that wrote St. John wrote Revelation, understanding the Gospel was first preached in Genesis 3:15 and actually implemented the moment God covered Adam and Eve with animal skins.
---kathr4453 on 9/23/20

Trav,..... I understand what you said concerning those that oppose the truth.
.......and Kath has called me many names. And just about everyone else
---ven. on 9/9/20

Be thankful ... they called our Lord many names also.... also a tell and testament. When they rail but, submit no scriptural truth in mutiples.... a tell.
Psa 119:84How many are the days of thy servant? when wilt thou execute judgment on them that persecute me?
Psa 119:85The proud have digged pits for me, which are not after thy law.
---Trav on 9/23/20

Jesus died for everyone. He loves us all. But those who refuse to love will be lost. Since they choose to live in hate and sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/22/20

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David , Paul tells us exactly who Gods love has been shed abroad in our hearts....those who have been JUSTIFIED BY FAITH.

Romans5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience,

4 And patience, experience, and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed, because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/20

David, John lays the foundation of the Gospel of Grace. John 15, carried through to 1,2, 3rd John, ABIDE IN ME AND I IN YOU AS YE CAN DO NOTHING UNLESS YOU ABIDE IN ME.

The MYSTERY defined in Colossians 1:24-27 along with Jesus prayer before He died in John 17 is CHRIST IN YOU. So I believe ALL OF JOHN is pointing to the time of AFTER Jesus death and resurrection, as NO ONE can be IN CHRIST or Christ in them until after His resurrection.

We also see in John 3 one must be BORN OF THE SPIRIT ...which again happens after Jesus rose from the dead.

So Jesus is revealing the Gospel of Grace in John , John reiterating in 1st John addressed to those who have passed from death to life....Paul also explains in Romans 6-8.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/20

(1 Corinthians 2:9) But as it is written: Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.

I must admit, it is difficult to find a passage which says exactly what I said, but when you use the Gospel of Christ as a foundation for your teachings, it becomes clear.

The passage above is an example of this. The passage doesnt say who God loves, so if you havent read the Gospels, you must revert back to the foundational teachings of Jesus Christ (Baby Food), to understand who God loves...(John 14:21 & 23).
---David on 9/22/20

The conclusion of the chapter of John 14 , Jesus here is speaking of his death and resurrection and second coming. So it appears David has taken his verses out of context to say what he wants.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, ye might believe.
---kat453 on 9/22/20

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David, I'm asking you to put scripture here stating explicitly that "God saves those He Loves."

(John (14:23) Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love Me, he will keep My words, and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him and make Our abode with him.
Abode.... a place in which a person resides, residence, dwelling, habitation, home.

If a person is saved, will they not live where God lives? And to whom does Jesus make this offer? It is To those whom God loves. I am glad you accept (John 3:16), but folks like you and Samuel need to read the rest of the Lords Gospel to understand the context of (John 3:16).
---David on 9/21/20

Samuel, Thank you for posting 1Cor 15:1-4. The Gospel is about the FORGIVNESS of sin, the breaking of its power over the sinner, and our life NOW that we are saved from the law of sin and death. All this is IN HIS SON, who died for our sin, was raised again. "for our justification "AKA SALVATION, and now IN CHRIST are sanctified once and for all..Hebrews 10.


Hebrews 10, so rich in understanding the Gospel, first announced in Genesis 3:15, and more fully revealed through out each dispensation, the Law pointing to Christ, our schoolmaster bringing us to Christ.

The worst of sinners can find FORGIVNESS who put their faith in Jesus to forgive and wash away your sin.
---kathr4453 on 9/21/20

The Gospel is simple. 1Corithians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

John 3:16 is about how and what saves us. Much of the Bible is how those who are saved are to live.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/20/20

David, are you saying Jesus own words in John 3:16 is not the Gospel? My Bible says..FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD. And even while we were sinners Christ died for us.

We love Him because HE FIRST LOVED US.

So I'm confused as to exactly what your gospel is....that a person's human love towards God can save them? Is this love founded on anything specific, or just love for love.


---kathr4453 on 9/20/20

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David, I'm asking you to put scripture here stating explicitly that "God saves those He Loves." I can find NO SCRIPTURE supporting your belief here. Please don't nail together scripture that makes it look like it says that. I can also nail together scripture stating anything I want.


So now find a verse where God justifies those he loves....AGAIN, it's not there. God JUSTIFIES THE UNGODLY.. Romans 4:5. It doesn't even say God justifies the elect either. The Bible does not support your theory.
---kath4453 on 9/20/20

God saves those he loves, and in John, Jesus tells us why God loves us. So though I didnt say it directly, your inference is correct.

When I disagree with someone, I argue in the hope that I can convince them I am right. But in your case, this is impossible, because my Salvation message is founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and yours is not. Believe me, if I thought there was a chance, I would argue with you til Jesus comes.

I debated you in the past, but since you made me aware of this fact, I find any discussion on salvation to be a fruitless endeavor. How can I convince you, when you do not accept the Lords Gospel as the Truth?
---David on 9/20/20

David, are you set free from sin? Romans 8:1 say For THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE has set me free from the LAW of sin and death. And this same LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE has told us we are no longer servants of sin, but SONS of God and joint heirs with Christ HIS SON. John 1:1-15 also state that as many as receive Him, TO THEM gave he the power to become the SONS OF GOD. THE WORD MADE FLESH IS GOD. No one can come to the Father except THROUGH HIS SON. We come THROUGH the cross. THROUGH the veil, that is to say His Flesh..please note...A NEW AND LIVING WAY Hebrews 10...but especially note verses 18-23. David have YOU entered the NEW AND LIVING WAY? Aka... I am crucified WITH Christ...Gal 2:20-21.
---kathr4453 on 9/20/20

David said:

It is not you, nor I, who decides who will, and who will not be saved. This decision is made by God the Father, and he chooses, those whom he will save. Yes...Jesus loved us, and he died for us, but God the Father loves those who love him.

Jesus tells us who God loves in (John 8:34 & 35), the problem is...very few people believe him.
---David on 9/18/20

This is where you said this David.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/20

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John 8:34-35 say nothing about God deciding who to save.--kathr4453

Where did I say it did?
---David on 9/19/20

John 8:34-35 say nothing about God deciding who to save. Jesus is pointing to the message of the cross and How one is set free from sin. One must read Romans 5:1 first to understand one is first justified by faith. And Romans 4 ...showing Abraham as our example of what justification is. The foundation must always be laid before building upon it or it collapses.
Then we see following this order 1) JUSTIFICATION 2) IDENTIFICATION ..Romans 6 ...
Romans 6:7
For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Hebrews 10 = Sanctification
---kathr4453 on 9/19/20

Many folks go their entire lives on the wrong path, simply because they are told, through a false doctrine, they are on the right path. They put their faith, their salvation, and their Eternal Lives, in these doctrines, and not on the doctrine for which Jesus died. Jesus died, so that we could have a relationship with God the Father. Our relationship with God, is the key to salvation.

It is not you, nor I, who decides who will, and who will not be saved. This decision is made by God the Father, and he chooses, those whom he will save. Yes...Jesus loved us, and he died for us, but God the Father loves those who love him.

Jesus tells us who God loves in (John 8:34 & 35), the problem is...very few people believe him.
---David on 9/18/20

When people cannot prove their understanding from the Bible. They often resort to worldly tactics.

We are to speak in love and kindness. Giving others the benefit of the doubt. Only GOD knows the hearts of others.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/17/20

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ven, your motives are clear here. Please remove the splint in your own eye before judging others. One thing I do not allow in my Bible Studies is a gossip, no matter what the reason. I've been watching you here for some time. You wrongly accuse others here with harsh words, on issues you refuse to hear out.

Leviticus 19:16
16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour, I am the Lord.
---Linda on 9/17/20

Kath, I came on line to answer on some of the topics, and no sooner that I answered you, and you did not like my answer and called me names, and I pulled your name out, and found out you do the same thing to so many others here, not only Jerry, but Nicole, and many others. You want to be Sovereign here on line. It's sad you have to go that low.
"For they stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do." 1 Peter 2:8. You disobey the truth.
---ven. on 9/15/20

Ven openly admitted he came online here to attack me before any words passed between ven and me. Ven had an evil motive right from the beginning, and now wants to play the victim in his own game he started.

Beware of ven and her evil motives of being here online. All should shun ven, because of her malicious heart from the beginning. The hypocrisy here is I have no free will and am only doing what God for ordained for me to do and ven is now accusing God two faced in his doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/20

Trav, I wholeheartedly agree with the scripture you posted. On that note ven I want nothing more to do with you or your foul doctrine or twisted political lines of calling evil good.

Thank you Trav for reminding us of God's word concerning infidels.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/20

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Hay Travelosity, how you doing. Yes, we have a whiny gossip girl on line, named ven, who uses every post she can to tell everyone how I've hurt her feelings, and seems to be a spokeswoman for others without their permission to try to start some war against me because she glad hands every wind of doctrine that comes on line here. she isn't here to defend the Gospel, but anything but.

Poor ven, tossed to and fro, believes in philosophy and vein deceit of Gnosticism, thinking she pre-existed with the Angels , that no one has FREE WILL, yet comes against anyone she accuses of FREE WILL ...such a confused child. Let's all pray for ven...1) for gossip, 2) self pity 3) a worldly mind unsanctified in Christ 4) supports liars and murderers.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/20

Best we can do is receive them not in any manner Ven.... as per scriture below. If Christs scripture makes them furious/ is the first tell.

2Jn 1:9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
---Trav on 9/10/20

Bro. Trav, it is nice to see you on line. Also understand what you said concerning those that oppose the truth. I have been on line for about three months and Kath has called me many names. And just about everyone else who opposes what she teaches.She claims that while she was spiritually dead she was able to wake up enough, on her own power, to believe in Jesus and make Him Lord of her life. I told her it was impossible. Someone dead, needs the Holy Spirit to bring them to life. They cannot do it on their own. That makes her smarter then those who do not respond to Christ.
---ven. on 9/9/20

Thank you bro. Trav. Where have you been? We are at war here.
---ven. on 9/3/20

Your welcome Ven. Have been working.... just caught a break because of weather.
War is lopsided here.... because when we utilize scripture.... witnessing scripture, it explains..... to those seeking and asking.
Some never ask the Only teacher Christ.
Note, if scripture makes a recipient (blogger) mad/furious ..... it is a tell. No such thing as an Attack Sheep.

Prayer/fasting is required for some evil spirits and enemies. Mrk9:29, Jhn 4:23.
---Trav on 9/4/20

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At least John9346 A TRUE CALVINIST HERE, had nothing in common with Trav's doctrine. Poor ven, so desperate to find anyone to WAR will openly disobey scripture to not so willingly give the right hand of fellowship to false teachers. BUT...BIRDS OF A FEATHER DO FLOCK TOGETHER, in some form or fashion.

So vens real motive now is finding ANYONE who will help him attack his enemy. SATAN WILL HELP YOU TOO VEN call on him as well.
---kathr4453 on 9/3/20

Thank you bro. Trav. Where have you been? We are at war here. The pool is full with those who see, but do not see, hear but do not hear the Gospel truth.
"You have seen all that the Lord did before your eyes in the land of Egypt, to Pharaoh and all his servants and to all his land..the great trials which your eyes have seen, the signs, and those great wonders. Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear, to this very day." Deuteronomy 29:2-4.
---ven. on 9/3/20

Do those who are lost, need ears to hear the Gospel truth?
---ven. on 8/21/20

Gospel= Good message.
Message to who?

Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Mat 10:6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

They did and do hear truthand the results are around you.... in life, still mixed with the Jezebels, balaams error practitioners , esaus boys and those that fear not, weaving their own logic and desires as doctrine.
1Jhn 4:6.....
---Trav on 8/31/20

Salvation begins by first being justified by faith ..we putting our faith in the finished works of Christ who died on a cross for our sin, and was raised again for our justification. If one doesnt get the first part correct the rest is building on sinking sand.This is GODS RULES not mine.

If you enter into a legal contract and fail to read the fine print of that contract and find in the end you have violated that contract it is null and void, and even may have consequences. Be careful how you read and build.

Interestingly, many LOVE God and man like Mother Theresa, BUT Mother Theresa never taught the Gospel. She said be a good what ever you are. Paul brought Gentiles TO CHRIST...Ephesians 2...ONLY THESE GENTILES ARE SAVED. SORRY!
---kathr4453 on 8/30/20

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Again, to find the right (or at least acceptable church), see if it teaches what Jesus and other Bible authors taught.

If a church teaches you to hate people, or judge people based on who they are, or to be pharisaical (i.e. "I'm glad I'm so much more righteous than these poor unsaved sinners"), or to think of one group ("us") as being better than another group ("them"), you can be pretty sure that this is not the right church, because they totally missed the mark.

Yes, we are allowed to judge deeds (i.e. call out other Christians (only) for actions that oppose the teachings of Christ, like Paul did that one man in Corinth living with his mother in law), but not people in general.
---StrongAxe on 8/28/20

First we cannot say who is saved. Many Calvinist will probably be in heaven. Salvation is extended to all who love GOD and love others. Not to just some denominations. We are saved because we love GOD and follow Jesus in love. That shows who is born again.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/28/20

Ven sounds so bitter and snarky towards others who do not share his false doctrine. We are not BURIED DEAD DEAD. Yikes. He just keeps adding and adding and adding to scripture what is not there, and then wonders why others find him totally immature in his understanding. WELL ITS BECAUSE ven, you don't adhere to scripture, but learn from GNOSTICS and philosophical mumbo jumbo God has given us DISCERNMENT to reject.

Paul said BE FOLLOWERS OF ME THE WAY I AM OF CHRIST. It's not hard ven. For you yes because Paul preached against philosophy and vein deceipt.
---kath454 on 8/28/20

Axe, I thought you were going to teach me since you are the measure of faith. But you sent me to Jesus. Jesus I know, you I do not know. Jesus is not a sinner, but you and I are sinners.
So you also complain about churches, not to follow there teachings we belong to, so now, which are the right churches we should join? How can you tell which is the right one? Does the Holy Spirit tell you which are the right ones?
---ven. on 8/28/20

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Do you want to know how a Christian should walk? The best person to teach you that is Christ himself. Look at what he himself taught. Not what various churches with their own theological, political, and secular agendas teach. Get it straight from the source. Be concerned with what Jesus himself taught, and don't obsess over things he never mentioned even once.

I have heard a devastatingly true obvservation:
"Evangelicals complain that Christianity isn't being taught in schools. The real problem is that Christianity isn't being taught in church."

If Jesus came back today and saw what many of our churches were like, he would weep.
---StrongAxe on 8/27/20

Those of THE LAW OF FAITH have nothing to boast about. Please don't let ven's whining get in your way.

Romans 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

---kathr4453 on 8/28/20

The Bible says.

Jhn 16:7,8

Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you, but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

The Holy Spirit will tell everyone they are sinners. It is up to us what do do with that truth.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/27/20

Kath, maybe I need Axe to teach me so I can follow Christ. He seems to know how a Christian should walk. He is now the measure of faith. I also heard you speak about baby Christians you have to give them Little bits so they can understand when you speak because you know it all, but you do not even know who God is. How can you be so right? You do not even know or acknowledge that it is God who saves individuals for they cannot saves themselves because they are buried already, dead, and you claim that while dead you stood up and selected Christ. Your own miracle, not Gods.
---ven. on 8/27/20

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Scripture teaches scripture, so it is important to have supporting scripture when discussing a topic. One verse wonders can actually be interpreted at the will of the one promoting their own view , however showing many scriptures supporting a topic is how MATURE Christians study to show themselves approved.

A baby Christian would complain because it's just too much for them to grasp and digest. They need teeny tiny bites first chewed up be their guru to spit into their mouth seeing they have no teeth to eat strong meat.

I do apologize ven , I'll try to remember this when discussing with you. Strongaxe understood perfectly the first time what I was saying. So ven, it must be you.
---kathr4453 on 8/26/20

kATH, If I am wrong on something I said coming from Scripture, I correct it and say I was wrong. When you re wrong, you never acknowledge it. And let me tell you, you have been wrong many times. But you cover your mistakes by throwing four or five post together to confuse what you said. Good trick. A simple answer will do.
---ven. on 8/26/20

Thank you for acknowledging your mistake on my post.
See that wasnt so difficult was it?
---kathr4453 on 8/25/20

Axe, " He was the burning and shinning lamp, and you were willing for a time to rejoice in his light" John 5:35.
I made a mistake on John. You are correct to challenge me on that. John the Baptist was known to shine the light from his Lamp, or better yet he was himself that lamp.
---ven. on 8/25/20

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Luke 1:79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.

If Gods word said God called John to GIVE LIGHT TO THEM...then that is exactly what he did when He preached Jesus ...

ven has anger issues resulting in trashing the Word of God. He has been doing this on EVERY POST since he came on here. snide nasty comments towards Gods word. WE didn't write scripture. WE just post it....

Hes just as crafty as the serpent in the Garden saying..God didn't really say no no God didn't really mean that...

Its getting OLD ven.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/20


We shine our light by presenting Jesus to others. John the Baptist presented Jesus to others. How is that also not shining light?
---StrongAxe on 8/24/20

Ok so again ven you are saying you don't believe Luke chapter 1 and trashing the Word of God again. It clearly tells us the commission God gave to John the Baptist...TO GIVE LIGHT....ETC.


So sad ven you have no clue we are ambassadors for Christ in this world...but I do see that goes against Calvinism.

You claim you like Paul encountered Jesus rebuking you and throwing you off your horse. Saying VEN VEN WHY ARE YOU PERSECUTING ME...and then the light of His Glory so bright it blinds you too...leaving scars and scales.

You know Kathryn Kuhlman use to make such a claim. Another heretic.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/20

Aren't we THE CHURCH to continue the very ministry the Apostles began? What is ven so afraid of? Is ven filled with envy?

God said to Paul: ....very similar to Gods sending John the Baptist....
Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee,

17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
---kath445 on 8/24/20

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Kath, you now say,out of context again : John the Baptist could do thus. SO MUCH MORE CAN THE BODY OF CHRIST GIVE LIGHT TO THEM THAT SIT IN DARKNES"
John the Baptist never gave light to anyone. Those who are now born of the Spirit, can now present the light to others when they present the
Gospel Truth. For Jesus is the Light and also the Truth. All that other talk you do you want to confuse the readers, it is a plan you use constantly.
---ven. on 8/24/20

Just as John the Baptist was anointed to preach the Gospel, so are we THOSE WHO ARE IN THE LIGHT AS HE IS IN THE LIGHT.

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation,19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world[ NOTE PAUL DOES NOT SAY THE ELECT] unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them, and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
---kathr4453 on 8/24/20

It would appear so.

Luke 1:76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways, 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, WHICH IS THE GOSPEL78 Through the tender mercy of our God, whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, 79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace. 80 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel.

---kathr4453 on 8/23/20

RichardC, yes the THEM are the Jews ....where SOME of the branches were broken off...and will again one day be grafted back into the root. And yes, until the fullness of the Gentiles come in. I believe many of these verses Calvinist's use are directed to Israel, not Gentiles. Their ears did wax over. And although a remnant out if Israel will be and are saved, has nothing to do with Gentiles. How unfortunate are those who failed to rightly divide the word of truth in this matter. Why would God intentionally provoke Israel TO JEALOUSY Romans 10:19 if they were not chosen to be saved against their own free will in the first place? Because they WERE Gods Chosen already, but rejected their own Messiah.
---kathr4453 on 8/23/20

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2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears, And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Sounds like free will here.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/20

Romans 11:8 - ( According as it is written , God hath given them a spirit of slumber , eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear,) unto this day .

( I believe this is to the fullness of the Gentiles come in )
---Richard_C on 8/22/20

Helen Keller managed to become saved by the Gospel, despite being both deaf and blind.
---StrongAxe on 8/22/20

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