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Is God in control? Or is Satan in control?

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You wrote: Nailed it. How bout the one for the 19918 flu? Do you know that song?

I never knew, but Google search reveals several hits, including The Flu Pandemic Song.

There have been new ones this year. E.g. Several people have tranformed "My Sharona" into different versions of "My Corona". E.g.:

Ooh, my little Wuhan one. Viral one.
Comin' to congest my lungs.
Ay Corona!

Zoonotic transmission. Where's it from?
Bats or civet cats?
Who knows why, Corona?

When's it gonna stop? Fever cough, Wash your dirty hands
Why'd I ever stop in Hubei for vacation man
Why, Why-y, Why-y-y, Why-y-y-y, Ah CHOO!
M-m-m-my Corona!
---StrongAxe on 9/24/20

Nailed it. How bout the one for the 19918 flu? Do you know that song?
---Samuelbb7 on 9/24/20


Ring around the rosies
Pocket full of posies
Ashes, ashes
All fall down

One explanation for this children's rhyme is the Black Death. Some of the symptoms were a rosy rash, and sneezing until you fell down. Carters would make rounds through the city, calling "bring out your dead", and people would bring out dead bodies and throw them on the carts, where they would be taken away to be cremated. People kept flowers and herbs in their pockets to protect them from the plague, and from the terrible stench of the dead bodies.
---StrongAxe on 9/22/20

Strong Ax.

Do you know where the rhyme Ring around the came from? Again there are good documentaries on this.

Thank you for your good points.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/20/20


Now Trump is pushing Herd Immunity.

That is how we virtually eliminated some plagues like Polio. If enough are resistant, plagues have no place to spread, like throwing a match on a pile of wet wood. We achieved this through mass vaccination (but due to anti-vaxxers, virtually extinct plagues like polio and measles are making a comeback again).

Without vaccination, at least 60% must to catch the disease and survive. Survivors will have resistance, but as about 5% who catch it die, this means before the U.S. achieves herd immunity, around THREE MILLION PEOPLE will die.

If 200,000 dead is bad, imagine FIFTEEN TIMES THAT MANY. This is what our genocidal president is proposing.
---StrongAxe on 9/17/20

Good points Strong Ax.

One of the attacks Trump made on Obama was that he played golf a couple of times a month. Trump plays on average 2 days a week. When he promised to play none. Trump's children are making large amounts of money. Trump has still refused to reveal his taxes. His actions have lead to the death of hundreds of thousands dead. He has made people doubt truth. That is not the work of GOD.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/17/20


Fox is strongly right biased and rarely airs anything critical to Trump. "If Fox doesn't say it, it's a lie" is hopelessly naive. Don't rely on what ANY media outlets say. Look at TRUMP'S OWN twitter feed, or any media outlet (biased or not) that has links to it, because you can check out what he said out of his own mouth. Similar with video clips of him speaking. Or the White House's own web site for transcripts of his speeches. Sayig

Trump has not sued for libel any of the 24 women who accused him of rape, because the truth would come out. He fights tooth and nail to prevent giving a DNA sample. Why does Trump, again and again, fight tooth and nail to suppress evidence that would exonerate him, were he innocent?
---StrongAxe on 9/16/20

Axe, again I see Fox news every day and Fox news never said what you say Trump said. Someone makes a lie and you believe it. You who I thought was smarter then that. Trump never said that. And he never raped anyone. More lies. Then you accuse him of making money, when he is not even getting paid for being President and he already has over a billion dollars. And of course he is a sinner, everyone is. Then you don't like him playing golf, why not? You are just a Trump hater, and nothing he does is good enough for you. It's always, "see what he did today?" or, I hate the way he walks, so you are ready to give up on our country. I believe it's time to do something about those animals on the streets. They act as if I owe them something.
---ven. on 9/15/20

Well now we have PROOF Trump is a LIAR, an admitted liar. One thing said to Bob Woodward, and another at his NC rally in March claiming Covid was a HOAX all the while knowing it was dangerous. Getting people killed, because he didn't want to panic the American people...... WHAT? LYING and encouraging unrest in Michigan against their Governor because she cautiously wanted to PROTECT her people in her state. It's not only that he lied, but was an evil force against caution, using it as a political attack against democratic states. ..... even down to trying to force kids back to school while it's still unsafe. This is BEYOND EVIL ON SO MANY LEVELS.

Looks like he CAN MURDER, and his base will still support him.
---kathr4453 on 9/10/20


All I say is corroborated by multiple sources. Fox News agreed Trump called military dead "losers" and "suckers". Several people heard him mock Evangelicals: "Who believes that bull****?".

Does it matter if Trump raped 24 women before or after inauguration? Does inauguration wipe away sins like baptism?

All Trump does is for HIMSELF. He ran a charity for veterans. He bkiled it for millions. They got nothing. He golfs at his own resorts and charges Secret Service top rates: he personally profits. RNC coffers are almost empty as he used their money to fund his PERSONAL lawsuits.

REPUBLICAN intel committee found Russians interfered in 2016 and Trump KNEW and HELPED.
---StrongAxe on 9/9/20

So we have on the news tonight TRUMPS RECORDINGS of his lies lies and more lies ven will put his hands over his ears and no no, I don't want to hear Trumps own voice of lies! Because if I choose to play dumb, I can continue to accuse others here on line of this and that.

GOD HATES LIARS. Trump probably has a pack with Russa too, but heck, let's not panic the American public.
---kathr4453 on 9/9/20

Strongaxe, can you believe what came out today...a tape recording of Trump, and how he blatantly lied to the American people about Covid. All on tape...that his faithful followers now have to say that LYING IS NOT A SIN. Talk about trying to normalize blatant sin. And then being attacked by his cult followers the way Scientiology attacks anyone who tries to expose the. Ven's rantings show he is just another hatchet man defending his god. ....THE DEVIL. who is the author of confusion, a murderer from the beginning, and the father of lies.

This makes it EASY to laugh off any comments you make ven. We've got your number.
---kath4453 on 9/9/20

Axe, the problem you have is that you keep listening to false news. As soon as someone says something about Trump they treat it as truth when it is only their opinion. People have been trying to find things wrong but they fail all the time. You mentioned he was with other woman, but all those things happen before he was president. He was not a politician, politicians are bad to the core. We did not need someone who was going to give our country away. Everything Trump does is for us, the people. You just don't like him, but that is your opinion. You had a lot of accusations but no proof. The only truth you had was that he sometimes plays golf.
---ven. on 9/9/20

You are right kathyr
---Samuelbb7 on 9/7/20

Strongaxe, I believe Trump said that because he comes from the Power of Positive Thinking mentality which is all about SELF, NOT GOD. Jim Bakker has been seeing false visions for years and years, as I'm sure his theme park was one of his visions that collapsed in shame. So much for visions. However multitudes of people ..STUPID GOATS WHO EAT ANYTHING will still believe Bakker's nonsense and SILVER...that Covid cure ....snake oil, he probably made millions off of.

I remember when Trump first moved into the WH , he said ..."What a Dump". He's simply GROSS. Has NO FILTER. It has also been reported he is openly condescending and makes fun of Mike Pence for being religious. Yet Pence continues to suck it up.
---kathr4453 on 9/7/20


Cohen's book mentions a 2016 incident from Trump Tower:

After a prayer meeting, when evangelical leaders laid their hands on him, Trump allegedly said: 'Can you believe that bulls***? Can you believe people believe that bulls***?'

Trump openly courts evangelicals and pretends to be one, yet behind their backs ridicules their beliefs. This is the "God's Chosen" so many gullible Evangelicals believe in.

Jim Bakker said God showed him a vision of the future White House, with pictures of future presidents on the walls, all Trump's current children plus other Trumps not yet born. This is not a monarchy with hereditary kings. The level of spiritual delusion here is mind-boggling.
---StrongAxe on 9/7/20

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Samuel, I don't trust him either. Michael Cohen, although we know he's a bad guy too, probably knows that evil side of Trump more than anyone else. It's that evil EVIL side of Trump many may have never seen, because he's two faced for one, but knows how to use OTHERS to do most of his dirty work, as M Cohen is now doing time for that dirty work. On that note, I believe him when he says Trump will do anything, even start a war if need be to stay in power. If he looses, he knows he has umpteen criminal charges coming up he will have to face. If he wins, the statute of limitations involved in many charges will be past a date he goes scott free. He doesn't care about this Country or our military, ...narcissists only care about themselves.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/20

looks like we agree on something. Trump is a bad leader. I do not trust him at all.
---Samuelbb7 on 9/6/20

You're exactly right Strongaxe. In spite of the evil kings, individuals are responsible for their own stand before God, and we are always being tested regardless of who is in power. Jeremiah was not a king, but prophecied against the King of Israel's and Israel's disobedience. God allowed the enemy conquer the Nation of Israel. His prophecy came to pass. It was because the enemy said Jeremiah spoke truth he was freed to leave, with only a hand full of people. We insist we are a Christian nation....OK THEN.....LETS BE CLEAR HERE...GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED. And we have mocked on so many levels it's not funny. It's MORE than the abortion issue. 1John 4:20 . Gods hate hypocricy because it makes a farce out of Christianity, and mocks God.
---kathr4453 on 9/6/20


Good point. Just look at Israel:
Of the kings of the United Kingdom, 1 good (David), 1 evil (Saul), 1 good at first but evil later (Solomon).
Of the kings of Judah, 12 evil, 6 good, 2 good at first but evil later.
Of the kings of Israel, 18 evil, 1 good at first but evil later.

And of other nations, the only good kings I can think of were Melchizedek, and Cyrus.

One may say that a leader is the one God wanted in place, but based on the above examples, it's rarely a good thing. It's definitely NOT a sign of divine approval. Look at many of the most powerful leaders of the past century or so - Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, Hirohito, Mao. I doubt God approved of any of them.
---StrongAxe on 9/5/20

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Let's be clear here. If perchance Trump wins, and all you yahoos jump up and down saying YEA, GOD IS IN CONTROL , so Trump must be a good guy, you may want to REREAD your Bibles. There are times God allowed evil kings and rulers in power TO PUNISH folks . When we see the Real Jesus contrasted with the REPUBLICAN Jesus, the real gospel contrasted with the prosperity gospel , or the Gospel of America, ...WE SHOULD GET OUR ( bleep) handed to us. God has been long suffering enough with this false gospel not only here, but our affect around the world bringing it there. Has the fullness of the Gentiles come this time coming to a close? Maybe. and when we see this happening THE TIME OF ANTI-CHRIST is right on its heals. WAKE UP PEOPLE.
---kath4453 on 9/5/20


Trump's words are public record. Videos of what he says are easy to find on any news site. He told people to vote by mail, then go to polling places. If their votes aren't tallied, vote again. In many states, they aren't tallied until after polls close, so doing so would result in double voting. NC election officials had to immediately issue a statement contradicting Trump, and warning voters that if they voted twice, they would be guilty of a felony.

I challenge you to prove your 99% statistic. I repeadly say *INNOCENT* victims. Like Breonna Taylor, MURDERED IN HER SLEEP. Prosecutors tried to bribe her boyfriend with a lighter sentence if he implicated her in drug dealing (there is no evidence she was), but he refused.
---StrongAxe on 9/4/20

Actually ven, Trump did, and NC had to put out a disclaimer from the state that voting twice was a felony. Even after that Trump did it again in another state.

ANYONE that stupid should not be president. Trump claims to be a know it all, knows more than anyone else in the whole world, and EXPERT in every subject. SOOOOOOO, did he KNOW it was a felony, confusing folks so that it would purposely delay or mess up elections, OR is TRUMP the most stupid man on earth. Either way he is UNFIT to be President of the USA. BUT i know FOX never reports on these issues,or if they do, its so twisted and distorted to cover his stupidity.... so that is why you are ignorant on many issues.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/20

Axe, You make accusations concerning Trump, you say "Yesterday, Trump encouraged North Carolina's to vote twice to "test" election integrity. Voting twice is a FELONY. Trump just incited citizens to commit SEVEN MILLION FELONIES.
Do you have proof? this is just your opinion, and it is slander. He never told anyone to vote twice, so you lied as you have so many times before. Everything you have accuse Trump of doing is just more fake news. You were defending all those who have been killed by cops, and 99% are thugs, criminals, rapist, and just plain trouble makers who now feel they can do anything as long as they have so call Christians like you speaking for them. Take the stake out of your eye. Chew on that.
---ven. on 9/4/20

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We have 1/23 of the world population, but 1/4 of COVID deaths, 6x the world average. Trump and Kushner KNOWINGLY downplayed COVID as it initially affected mostly blue states. It was more politically expedient for Democrats to die, and blame Democrat governors. They sacrificed American lives on the altar of Trump's re-election. This came out a month ago. (Google: kushner withheld aid)

Also, when have I EVER defended "thugs and criminals"? Please provide a specific quote (words and date I said it), or it's slander.

Yesterday, Trump encouraged North Carolinans to vote twice to "test" election integrity. Voting twice is a FELONY. Trump just incited citizens to commit SEVEN MILLION FELONIES. Chew on that.
---StrongAxe on 9/3/20


Google: how many people killed by antifa

"Trump frequently accuses the far-left of inciting violence, yet right-wing extremists have killed 329 victims in the last 25 years, while antifa members haven't killed any, according to a new study" - James Pasley, Jul 31, 2020 (BusinessInsider)

Again, provide PROOF of "thugs who murder people". Provide PROOF that Nurse supports thugs. Otherwise, your accusations are UNSUBSTANTIATED GOSSIP and SLANDER, two things the Bible condemns.

You are so full of hate at anything left, that you don't seem to care about some of God's most important rules.
---StrongAxe on 9/3/20

Axe, you also keep protecting the thugs, and criminals, who have a long list of carrying weapons, and get shot by policeman. There is some and that is very few cops who are bad. Compare to the many who have died at the hands of criminals who are protected by people like you and Nurseroberts, Kath and mike. you are only concern on the blacks, but what about the black cops who have lost their lives? You never speak for them. What if all those wonderful guys you defend come over to your neighborhood and began breaking the windows in your car and home, and terrorize your family. are you going to go out and join them? burn your own house?
---ven. on 9/3/20

Nurse: Why are you supporting thugs who murder people and destroy other people's property?

---jerry6593 on 9/2/20

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mike, 180,000 did not die because of Trump, they died because of the virus. Trump was not out there saving people and just happened to miss 180,000.
Second, millions are unemployed because of the virus and businesses had to close because of the virus. You also say, "trump has continued to trample the US constitution. to you that is good not bad. he is now a dictator. oh i forgot that is fake news, liberal news. we are all sinner" Can you name one of the US constitution's rules Trump trample? Don't forget, all of the Liberal newspapers, and networks are against Trump from the beginning. The left has tried everything to get him out but to no avail.
---ven. on 9/2/20


The difference is this:

When criminals kill people, in most cases, they are quickly arrested, brought to trial, sentenced, and then spend many years in prison. This is justice.

But when police kill innocent people, in most cases, other cops cover for them, and they often get off with just a slap on the wrist, or even scot free. In the rare occasions when other officers call them on their corruption, THEY get persecuted or fired. This is injustice, and this is why people protest.
---StrongAxe on 8/30/20

ven has learn to project like trump. when the truth is presented he will twist it around & project that YOU are the one who is the problem.

ever since trump won everything is wrong.-ven

look around ven, 180,000 have died because trump ignored the virus, millions are unemployed, evicted. he is disrupting the post office so he can win. trump has continued to trample the US constitution. to you that is good not bad. he is now a dictator. oh i forgot that is fake news, liberal news. we are all sinners but trump is NOW is license to SIN violate the law.
---mike on 8/30/20

Are you supporting criminals that kill people?
---Tanya on 8/30/20

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---ven. on 8/28/20

Why are you supporting police who murder people?
---NurseRobert on 8/30/20


When have I EVER "defended those who murder policemen"?

Jesus never mentioned abortion. OT says killing unborn (a fine) is less than killing a person (life for life). It DEMANDS a woman suspected of adultery drink bitter water. If guilty, her womb shrivels up (and if pregnant, the child dies) - a chemically-induced abortion. No "the innocent should not suffer for the sins of its mother" here.

Many Christians today are abortion-single-issue voters, while ignoring other things Jesus DID talk about (feeding the hungry, clothing the poor, etc.)

I don't hate what Trump did because he's Trump or a Republican. Take the story of his deeds, erase all names, and see if those describe a hero or villain.
---StrongAxe on 8/28/20

I don't think Joseph or Daniel bowed down to the powers over them. Getting thrown into an oven should prove that point. Even into death should be our stand when it comes to NOT OBEYING authority over us. My goodness, what if we are asked to pledge or sign something denying Jesus Christ? Paul was thrown in prison a few times for disobeying those authorities forbidding the preaching of Christ. Once he escaped being let down in a basket over a wall.

The Beast will be in authority over man. ven is going to obey the beast because he has been brainwashed in thinking since he's the elect God won't care. WRONG.
---kath4453 on 8/28/20

Axe, you continue to defend those who are murdering policeman, who have families, who are there to protect you and your family when you need it. What about all of them? You never mention them. Many of them are black. Blacks killing blacks. It's the same with abortion, no one speaks for the human being whose brains are being sucked out with a vacuum. I know you don't and you claim to be righteous but others are not. Ever since Trump won, everything that he has done is wrong to you, but your way of thinking is wrong. You forget, we are all sinners.
---ven. on 8/28/20

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Yes, and none of these are absolute, because all can and SHOULD be overridden:
1. People rebelling against an unjust government. (e.g. American and French revolutions).
2. Believers rebelling against a corrupt church (e.g. Protestant Reformation and leaving a cult)
3. Children rebelling against abusive parents.
4. Slaves or employees rebelling agsinst their cruel and unjust masters.

Just governments are all well and fine, but unfortunately, many governments are not just. E.g. when police murder innocent people and are not held accountable, victims get no justice. This is why people protest in the streets.

God made Rehoboam be cruel so the ten northern tribes WOULD rebel against him (1 Kings 11:1-13).
---StrongAxe on 8/27/20

Funny the verse does not COMMAND OBEDIENCE ,....yikes... the word is SUBMIT.

May want to read other verses using the word SUBMIT to get a better understanding.
---kathr4453 on 8/28/20

Axe, the passage I put down has an exception, anything we are commanded to do cannot go against Gods commands. No disobedience to God whatsoever. Since God alone is Sovereign He has instituted a human government to reward good and restrain sin in an evil fallen world. God instituted 4 authorities on earth,
1. The government over citizens,
2. The Church over all believers,
3 The parents over all children,
4. The Masters over all employees.
More explanations on the subject of government is found in the rest of chapter 13.
---ven. on 8/27/20


That command is not absolute. If it were, during the Tribulations Christians would be required BY GOD to accept the Mark of the Beast, because the Beast would be the governing authority. Christins 2000 years ago would have been required BY GOD to burn incense to Caesar, because Caesar was the governing authority. 250 years ago, Americans would have been required BY GOD to obey King George, rather than rising in rebellion against him. All Christians would be required BY GOD to obey Satan, because Satan is the god of this world, by God's suffrance.

If you disagree with any of the above, it means that you believe that it's OK to disobey evil authority.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/20

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romans 13 - ven
the conservative right use that to manipulate those who do not conform to their twisted teachings. do those who quote that like jeffress, robertson, franklin graham pay taxes? i don't think so. christ himself said to pay taxes yet the right love tax cuts. i even heard jeffress use the same verse as a justification to kill kim jung un, robertson said to assasinate chavez. very christian indeed
---mike on 8/26/20

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God." Romans 13:1.
---ven. on 8/26/20

God is in control -BUT- he allows Satan free reign, for a time. Satan is called "the god of this world". I wonder who gave him that position, or the permission to hold it? The answer should be obvious.
---StrongAxe on 8/26/20

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