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Were all those saved written in the book of life before the foundation of the world?

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 ---ven. on 10/29/20
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Here are words and phrases Calvinist's misuse

Chosen...leaving out "CHOSEN IN HIM". Israel also Gods Chosen Elect NATION, is not IN HIM, as no nation is IN HIM, only individuals are.

Predestined.....all verses concerning predestination say we were "predestined to be conformed to His Image". Totally different than just saying predestined. The Nation of Israel, you could say was predestined, yet were never said to be predestined to be CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF JESUS CHRIST.

All Gods plans and purpose were predestined. Even the NEW Heaven and Earth.

Leaving out the WHOLE SENTENCE and just selecting your favorite buzz words is what all cults do.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/20

Trey, before the foundation of the world God predestined a special company of people called THE CHURCH, see this MYSTERY HIDDEN BUT NOW REVEALED Colossians 1:24-27, Romans be THE CHURCH OF THE FIRST BORN, Hebrews 12:23, meaning having preeminence as Joint Heirs with Christ, Romans 8:17, being conformed to His image, Philippians 3 . THE CHURCH has a special calling and place in Gods plan and purpose . We are NOT THE NATION ISRAEL, as They too have a special place and plan .., but in THIS dispensation of time the Church is made up of both Jew and Gentile individuals, ( not nations) making up the Body of Christ. We were Chosen to be IN HIM, not just chosen. You all leave out the IN HIM part, and completely change the context.
---kathr4453 on 11/21/20

Hi Kathr,
Please explain:
Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

Your statement sounds like you deny that Christ chose us and that you do not believe in predestination. Am I correct?
---trey on 11/20/20

No scripture states our names were written before the foundation of the world.

Trey, this is what your post sounds like:

Mom made lemonade this morning. She said she made lemonade this morning. What this really means is Mom made lemonade last week.
---kathr4453 on 11/18/20

The scriptures clearly state from the foundation of the world, meaning that the Lambs Book of Life was written from the beginning of the creation of man.
Rev 5:1 states that the book is sealed with seven seals and only Christ can open it so their names are secure.
Rev 13:8 states that Christ is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
So God people's names were written in the book before they were born and in the mind and purpose of God, Christ had died for them and paid the price, so their salvation was secure from the foundation of the world.
Sounds like eternal security of the saints.
---trey on 11/14/20


Sadly, there are so many who call themselves Christians, who feel so strongly about their own personal agendas (whatever they be - whether it's a political party, or some particular point of theology) that they start to actually worship it, and consider anyone who feels differently to be heretics. They are so obsessed that they are willing to throw any and every scripture under the bus (e.g. "Thou shalt not bear false witness") as long as doing so is in alignment with their obsession - choking on gnats while swallowing camels.

There are several on these blogs who foment discord and divide Christ over minor matter of theology, and several who make up vile lies about others.
---StrongAxe on 11/3/20

Yet those burning and stealing and destroying pleases you.
---ven. on 11/2/20

Another lie by Ven.... Don't call yourself a Christian if all you spout are lies.
---NurseRobert on 11/3/20


The proper way to discuss a subject is to create a blog, have people discuss, then if full and there is more to discuss, create another one. If you have several different topics to discuss, by sure, create multiple blogs. But what is the point of creating three blogs simultaneously to discuss virtually the same thing each time? I.e. all three of the blogs you created seemed to be solely to push the idea of Calvinistic predestination.

The reason Trump does nothing that pleases me is because he's a crook devoid of any respect for law or morality. I wish that were not true, but it is what it is.

"Burning and stealing and destroying" do NOT please me. Stop putting words in my mouth and condemning me for them.
---StrongAxe on 11/2/20

Axe, would it please you more if I posted a new post every other week? It seems nothing pleases you. It the same concerning Trump, nothing he does pleases you. Yet those burning and stealing and destroying pleases you.
---ven. on 11/2/20

Scripture states THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE FROM the foundation of the world.

But it wouldn't surprise me if Calvinist's haven't already redefined the word "FROM" as really meaning "BEFORE".

So is this question asked because ven doesn't know scripture, or because ven wants to rewrite scripture. That's the REAL QUESTION HERE. Who do you believe, GOD OR VEN.

I'll stick with God. Those who KNOW SCRIPTURE don't even ask such STUPID order to start fights. One who does, either isn't saved or needs to REPENT.
---kathr4453 on 10/30/20

Did you really need to start THREE brand new blogs on the same day, all of whose purposes are the same - i.e. to hammer home the doctrine of Calvinism?
---StrongAxe on 10/29/20

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