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Was Eve Called Adam

Genesis 5:1-2 This is the book of the generations of Adam.In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him, Male and female created he them, and blessed them, AND CALLED THEIR NAME ADAM, in the day when they were created.

Why was Eve originally called Adam?

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Paul is not anti-Christ. And God did not choose Paul because Paul kept the Law of Moses MURDERING CHRISTIANS. The Lord struck down Paul and said, Paul Paul why are you persecuting me. There were many like Paul who murdered Christians. It wasn't until AFTER Paul's conversion Paul said he was the least of the apostles and the very chief of sinners because he murdered Christians. And now Paul became the hunted down by other perfect law keepers.

You see under the LAW OF MOSES it was a death sentence to believe in anyone but God. So they thought they were doing the right thing. And the Jews who believed were persecuted and murdered BY NON-BELIEVING JEWS.

After Pauls conversion, HE PREACHED CHRIST CRUCIFIED.....not the LAW.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/21


How can believing scripture be a lie?
---kathr4453 on 3/31/21

You take scripture you don't understand and make a doctrinal lie.... unintentional... but, still dangerous.
A delusion.... but, then that puts you personally boxed in scripture. Youve arrived, in one regard. You are living teaching and preaching a mystery doctrine.....a mystery that is still a mystery to you.
Isa 45:4For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
Isa 65:22They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
---Trav on 4/1/21


Trav:

It's good you brought up 2 Th 2:11. Many people throw that around, assuming it applies to others, totally oblivious that it might apply to them. One danger of thinking one is right and everyone else is a heretic, is heretics believe exactly the same thing. Cults are the first to scream and point fingers at everybody else and say they're all wrong. They are unwilling to accept the possibility they might not possess 100% of the truth. As Paul said, we see through a glass darkly - until we shall see the Truth face to face. Whenever they are caught in error, they hide it and insist they never made it. The truth is not in them, even though they think it is. They are under strong delusion, as in 2 Th 2:11.
---StrongAxe on 3/31/21


Trav
I visited a large Southern Baptist Church many years ago, and sat in on a class being taught. The folks in this class were seniors, much older than me at the time. I didnt want to humiliate the teacher with my biblical rebuttals, but I did want to show these folks the foolishness of these teachings.

I sat in this class for two or three weeks, and surprisingly, was asked to teach it one Sunday when their teacher took ill. These folks, secretly approached me after class, wanting me to teach them outside of the church, even though what I had taught them, was against what they had been taught all their lives.

What turned them? I have more than the truth when I teach, in person, I have the power of the Holy Spirit.
---David on 4/1/21


How can believing scripture be a lie? Now believing Armstrongism is a lie. Believing JW doctrine is a lie. Believing keeping the law saves you is a lie. NT scripture is steeped with scripture stating the law is not of faith and cannot save you. And no scripture teaches confessing your sin and keeping the law renders you sinless. David says there are only a FEW sinless people here and he is one. THAT IS DELUSIONAL . Claiming to have been taken up to the third heaven like Paul and clueless about the Gospel according to the MYSTERY OF CHRIST IN YOU is delusional.

Claiming you are a lost tribe because you live in America is delusional. Having a conniption fit here because I won't bow to David is due to delusions.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/21




Kathrine

Doesnt it bother you, just a little...that your teachings, actually oppose, what Jesus taught to his disciples?

Are you aware, teachings which oppose the teachings of Jesus Christ, are from the Antichrist?
---David on 3/30/21

Interesting statement. Having myself been on the receiving end of vehemence of all posted scripture especially about Israel....a defiant tell.

Why would our Lords own words and all the prophets make a humble seeking serving Christian furious? They dont even pause or consider. The more specific the scripture....the more furious.

2Th 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
---Trav on 3/31/21


David no one is saying the Bible is a mystery. You are simply reading these verses incorrectly. It's Paul who uses the words MYSTERY that you object to. He has clearly told what this mystery is... All throughout his Epistles.

Christ IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY that was hidden in the OT has now been revealed .... The CHURCH, BODY OF CHRIST THE NEW CREATURE was never talked about in the OT. Eph clearly show THE CHURCH is the mystery.

David, just because YOU don't understand it doesn't make it a lie. It only makes it confusing TO YOU. And your confusion has caused you to slander not only Paul but those who do understand it.

You wrestle with Paul to your own destruction as Peter warns us who don't understand Paul not to go.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/21


Kathrine
I have often wondered why people dont read their Bibles, and see what Jesus really taught. Those who do read their Bibles, and have questions regarding the conflicts between what Jesus taught and what they are being taught in church, are simply told, The Bible is a mystery, but God has revealed the mystery to me, and now I will share it with you.

Never really thought about it before, but all false religions must rely on this tactic, from many of our churches, all the way down to the Hare Krishna.
I must admit, I have never viewed it from that perspective. Thanks for opening my eyes to the chasm which separates us.
---David on 3/31/21


But David, the scriptures you deny..THE FELLOWSHIP OF HIS SUFFERINGS, is to whom those promises go. THOSE WHO SUFFER WITH HIM WILL BE GLORIFIED TOGETHER WITH HIM. Romans 8:17......another chapter in scripture you reject. This truth is stated all through out Peter and Pauls epistles.

Jesus alluded to this in the gospels...THOSE WHO LOSE THEIR LIFE WILL SAVE IT, THOSE WHO KEEP THEIR LIFE WILL LOSE IT.

The fellowship of His sufferings David is LOSING YOUR LIFE HERE....being CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST.

Christ in you is changing you from GLORY TO GLORY....I mean..me. You reject this truth, so you wouldn't know anything about it. Sad.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/21


Like I showed you once David, Jesus taught this in the Gospels....John 17, to Paul...THE HOPE OF GLORY, Colossians 1:24-27 Jesus states right there in His own words. If perhaps you KNEW AND UNDERSTOOD what THE HOPE OF GLORY, the mystery IS , you would SEE this truth Paul and Peter taught all throughout his epistles. GLORIFIED TOGETHER WITH HIM, ...THOSE HE HAS JUSTIFIED HE HAS ALSO GLORIFIED.

Earthly Israel will only SEE the Glory of the Lord ...however the BODY OF CHRIST will be GLORIFIED TOGETHER WITH CHRIST.

To be glorified WITH the Glory Jesus has been Glorified with, to BE LIKE HIM AS HE IS, we don't know what that is going to be like...but OH MY GOODNESS,
---kathr4453 on 3/30/21




I follow THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY . I know that really upsets you.
---kathr4453


Kathrine
Yes, it does.
Doesnt it bother you, just a little...that your teachings, actually oppose, what Jesus taught to his disciples?
Are you aware, teachings which oppose the teachings of Jesus Christ, are from the Antichrist?

The message of salvation may be a mystery in your church, but I can assure you, it is no mystery in the one Jesus taught.
---David on 3/30/21


David, I believe that is what JW's believe .

However those saved By Grace THROUGH FAITH baptized into Christ's Death and resurrection are A NEW CREATION. Neither Jew or Gentile. The Body of Christ called THE CHURCH was hidden but now revealed Colossians 1:24-27 Romans 16:25-27 is what Paul is teaching, and as Colossians 2 clearly state, all else is a SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME. Meaning it hasn't happened yet.

But David, I follow scripture, not man's interpretation .... I follow THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO THE MYSTERY . I know that really upsets you. But I have to FOLLOW that which God has wrought in me through the fellowship of His Sufferings. Phil 3 will explain. I'm with Paul 100% on Philippians 3.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/21


Paul is the perfect example of someone who was redeemed by Jesus Christ. Paul did not chose Jesus, Paul was C-H-O-S-E-N by Jesus. When the Bible says, Many are Called but few are Chosen, Paul and the 144,000 are a good example of the few.

These 144,000 may be those who share in their zealousness of the Law, like Paul was before he was chosen. Notice the 144,000 are redeemed and then, like Paul, become followers of Jesus.

So the last shall be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few are chosen.
(Matthew 20:16)
---David on 3/29/21


David, I don't see a relevant question here. Would you like to reword, or is your definition of redeemed other than to BUY BACK. All sinners saved by GRACE have been bought with the precious blood of Jesus Christ regardless of whether they are Jew or Gentile. 1 Peter 1:18-20 clearly define REDEEMED. And this was GODS PLAN from before the foundation of the world.

We have been bought back from SATAN who held the power of DEATH over us. Hebrews 2 will explain. Through Jesus death and resurrection, JESUS WAS VICTORIOUS OVER DEATH, and those "in Christ " have been given VICTIOR OVER DEATH because they are IN CHRIST THE VICTOR. This was prophecied in Genesis 3:15
---kathr4453 on 3/29/21


Kathrine
I agree there is only one plan of Salvation, but because of Gods love for Abraham, God will chose to redeem 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. More than 144,000 Jews will be saved, but do you know why the number is set at 144,000?

The answer is in the word..Redeem.
---David on 3/27/21


Paul was persecuted because he believed in Jesus as the Son of God, the promised messiah who died and rose again. He was being persecuted by Jews who rejected Jesus Christ as their messiah.

We see today Christians all over the world being persecuted because they believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. The RCC persecuted anyone who didn't believe their doctrine to the point of murder. So did John Calvin. A DISTORTED PERSECUTION

I don't see anyone here discussing scripture as persecuting anyone unless you're like the RCC or Calvin who don't like being questioned and are offended when questioned by other Christians ......but that's by no means persecution. If it was, then EVERYONE HERE IS BEING PERSECUTED.
---kath453 on 3/27/21


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David, There are the PHYSICAL children of Abraham, and the Spiritual children. The physical children are the descendents of Jacob = Israel. All 12 Tribes. As a Jew, I am a physical descendent however that means nothing as far as salvation goes. I'm a sinner saved by Grace just like any Gentile. God counted EVERYONE GUILTY ...period. No one becomes ISRAEL when they get saved, because Abraham IS NOT ISRAEL. God renamed Jacob Israel. IN ISAAC WILL THY SEED BE CALLED. THE SEED IS CHRIST. Not SEEDS as of many. Isaac represents the SPIRITUAL children of Abraham. Isaac did nothing to qualify. He was the child of Gods promise to Abraham and Sarah. Abraham believed (faith) Gods promise and God accounted it to him for righteousness.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/21


Trav
You and I...follow the same Shepard.
---David on 3/26/21

Appreciate you saying that... think same.
Important to be careful on things we discuss.... and why scripture gets posted that is specific. Ive been lied about, slandered as noticed over these scriptures. That these scriptures cause a backlash is found in scripture.
Almost every Apostle was killed for these truths. Amazing that the same animosity is seen today by a couple anti-Israel types. Ive never claimed to be such... and could.... my heritage on my mothers side changed their last name from Israel to a Scottish surname.
Luk 21:17 ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Luk 21:18
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
---Trav on 3/26/21


I've never said the 4 Gospels are to Israel only. I said Matthew is...---kathr4453

Kathrine
As a child of Abraham, does that not make you part of Israel? Are you not a part of the tree, to which you have been grafted? If Matthew is written to Israel, wouldnt that also mean it is written to you?

When one becomes hardened like some, to their own interpretation and not receptive to scriptural witnesses, cake is done.-Trav

Trav
This is true of those who may call themselves teachers. But I believe the sheep who follow them, can be turned, before they all fall into the ditch.Though we disagree on the meaning of the word, Gentile, You and I...follow the same Shepard.
---David on 3/26/21


....no need to even mention this if Gentiles were also of Jacobs descendants .
---kathr4453 on 3/25/21

You would be right if GOD had not scattered the Nth House of Israel to the four winds....
Esaus boys are of Abraham too and found fulfilling scripture. Just because they call theirselves Judah doesnt make it so.
2576 times Israel is found in scripture.
500 year old RC latin transliterated word gentile is found twice, gentiles 129 times. Apostles are not as brave as you.... going against all prophets and Christ.
Rev 3:9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 3/26/21


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Acts 10:45And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Spirit.
( They of the circumcision ...would not be amazed the OTHER Israelites or Jews whatever, received the Holy Spirit. )

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Yep, Acts 13:26 just posted also says "AND" WHOEVER AMONG YOU WHO FEAR GOD. Also , Here the stock of Abraham are Abrahams physical descendents...the Jews.

Here again...there would be no need to even mention this if Gentiles were also of Jacobs descendants .
---kathr4453 on 3/25/21


(Romans 11:16-21) For if the firstfruit be holy, the whole lump is also holy, and if the root be holy, so are the branches....>---David on 3/25/21

You cant graft a lemon tree to an Olive tree and get anything.
What is being spoken of in Romans is the Divorced/ scattered Nth House of Israel. Even though considered wild they are still considered an Olive bearing graft.
Sheep are Sheep.... not Wolves.
Jas 3:12Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
---Trav on 3/25/21


David I'm not sure how you are understanding Romans 11 that you just posted. I think you have confused me with Trav. Trav is the one who says the promises are to Israel alone and not Gentiles. I've never said the 4 Gospels are to Israel only. I said Matthew is, and I think you'll find main stream Christianity also agrees with that.

Romans 11 Paul a Jew is telling Gentiles not to be arrogant against non believing Jews. We see so much anti-semitism calling unbelieving Jews names with so much persecution from arrogant Gentiles . Why do you think those verses have to do with me?
---kathr4453 on 3/25/21


Trav
However, these twelve tribes also go by a different name.

(Galatians 3:7)
---David on 3/24/21

David... David....you are a good guy, quick to look ....careful in your answers. But, not necessarily correct. When one becomes hardened like some, to their own interpretation and not receptive to scriptural witnesses, cake is done.

Act 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.
Rom 9:18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Mat 13:13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
---Trav on 3/25/21


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Kathrine
How can we share the same root, but not in the same doctrine, the one Christ gave to the Jews?

(Romans 11:16-21) For if the firstfruit be holy, the whole lump is also holy, and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree, boast not against the branches.... for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest He also spare not thee.
---David on 3/25/21


Matthew is written to Israel. It says to ONLY go to the lost sheep of Israel. The other three do not say this, but says to go to all nations.

The whole of scripture is about Jesus Christ, from Genesis to Revelation. The OT fortold of the promise of Christ, Genesis 3:15, and how we can identify Him, re, virgin birth. All 4 gospels verify Jesus, born of a virgin, and so many more OT prophecies, including for telling of His sacrifice for our sin.Isaiah 53, Jesus victory over Satan re His resurrection, Gen 3:15. Hebrews 2. The Epistles, also written by some of His Apostles with Him while He was on earth...preach THE RISEN LORD , and our overcoming Satan, And ONLY BY FAITH IN CHRIST are we OVERCOMERS. *****1John 5:4*****
---kathr4453 on 3/25/21


AMEN DAVID. I LOVE THIS VERSE. Also note it has nothing to do with claiming to be a physical descendent of Jacob. Jesus said to unbelieving Israel....Abraham rejoiced to see my day, he saw it and was glad. To Israel He said, if you were Abrahams seed you would KNOW WHO I AM. The Jews kept the law, as Paul who said he was blameless under he Law. So we see Both Jesus and Paul say Abrahams children are those of FAITH. Thank you David for posting that.

Galatians 3:7

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

I being OF FAITH am a child of Abraham.
---kath4453 on 3/24/21


The WHOLE BIBLE is addressed to all humanity, not just Israel. The 4 Gospels show the prophecy in the OT concerning Jesus birth death and resurrection again IS TO ALL HUMANITY. The Epistles written by Paul, James John Peter the author of Hebrews is to ALL HUMANITY, AND deals with the TIME AFTER Jesus rose from the dead.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/21


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Trav
I suspect as much, and this is why I wanted to talk directly to one of her teachers. It is very difficult to get through to someone who believes, the Truth Jesus taught to his disciples, is only for twelve tribes of Israel. And Paul, brought forth the Gospel for the Gentiles to follow.

However, these twelve tribes also go by a different name. They are also called The Children of Abraham. And who does Paul say, are the children of Abraham?

Know ye therefore that those who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
(Galatians 3:7)


So no matter how you look at it, the first four books of the New Testament are for everyone who calls Jesus, Lord. (Luke 6:46)
---David on 3/24/21


Can you give me the name of your church so I can talk to your pastor, priest, preacher, doctor, or whatever you call your head teacher?
---David on 3/21/21

Its the ones you would speak with... except the doctor, that are answering for her. The characteristics of many replies have the tone of someone having doctrinal control....coaching her replies. When they cant help, it is yelling, slander and insults.... which her misunderstood Paul never used.
She makes wonderful opportunity to post scripture never discussed or seen though. A little light dominates a vast amount of darkness.
Gen 1:4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
---Trav on 3/23/21


(Mark 1:1)The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

Kathrine
Is the Book of Mark an account of what Paul taught,...or what Jesus taught?

Simple question...with an obvious answer..and yet you will not answer it. You believe I am merely trying to paint you into a corner, when in reality...I show you the Truth, in the hope that you will wake up in time.
---David on 3/23/21


David, the only thing I have heard you teach from the 4 Gospels is your ability to achieve sinless perfection. No one here believes they are sinless....unless you are a WHITE MORMON. You also claim there are only a few of you. That's something Paul never taught either.

Paul did teach the Gospel revealed to him by Jesus. Here are a few nuggets:

1) Matthew 16:25...to keep your life you will lose it, but to give up your life you will save it....Romans 6-8

2) John 6...to eat my flesh and drink my blood..IS GALATIANS 2:20-21.

3)John 17:21... I IN THEM AND THOU IN ME THAT WE MAY BE ONE ...Colossians 1:24-27

4) John 3:14-17...those who BELIEVE ON ME....Romans 10:9-10, Acts 16:31
---kathr4453 on 3/22/21


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David, that is simply your opinion. You claim EVERYONE HERE. But that's not so. Michael_e doesn't, I don't think RichardC does either. They each have their own belief in what the Gospel is. So AGAIN you slander me.

Paul laid the foundation built upon the Apostles and Prophets. The first prophecy is in Genesis 3:15....of which you don't even know that. It's EVERYWHERE online David. I didn't make that up..THAT IS MAINSTREAM CHRISTIANITY.

The Gospel Is Jesus DIED AND ROSE AGAIN for you and your sin. That you cannot save yourself. That JESUS IS GOD.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/21


Kathrine
Who are you addressing with your posts? Everyone here on CN, believes the Gospel of Christ is the first four books of the New Testament...except you.

Everyone here on CN defines words, like Grace, as exampled by their use in the bible or use a dictionary, except you. You simply formulate a word to fit your doctrine, thereby creating your own language. Then..when challenged by the very teachings of Jesus Christ...you turn to slander those who do.

And if your not going to use the Lords teachings as your foundation, at least use everything Paul taught, so you can maintain the context of his teachings. Your doctrine puts him at odds with Christ.
---David on 3/22/21


Trav
Interesting...
You believe in obedience to the Gospel of Jesus Christ for salvation, but not in salvation for the Gentile who obeys it. Whereas, Kathrine believes in salvation for the Gentile, but not in obedience to the Gospel of Christ for that salvation. Here is a passage written to both of you.

(2 Thessalonians 1:7,8, & 10)....
---David on 3/20/21


David how dare you slander and then use scripture to threaten me.

I'm sick and tired of you claiming I don't obey the Gospel of Christ. It's YOU David who does not. You don't even believe in the Deity of Christ. I don't think you even KNOW what the GOSPEL IS.....Its in 1 Cor 15:1-4.
---kath4453 on 3/22/21


Kathrine
We all expect your slanderous accusations when you are cornered by the Truth. Though many folks have come to believe in a false doctrine, your doctrine is the only one, I am aware of, which openly rejects the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Can you give me the name of your church so I can talk to your pastor, priest, preacher, doctor, or whatever you call your head teacher?
---David on 3/21/21


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David's Gospel does not require becoming obedient unto death...where as Pauls Gospel does...referring to Paul in Philippians 3. BEING MADE CONFORMABLE TO HIS DEATH, Romans 6....Galatians 2:20. Being Crucified with Christ, Galatians 5...THOSE WHO ARE CHRISTS HAVE CRUCIFIED THE FLESH. Davids Gospel as well as Trav's Gospel have no such requirements. They still live in their flesh. WHY, because both of their faith is in "Kingdom Law", a time when Salvation by Grace through faith is no longer available. There is no Salvation by Grace during the 1000 year reign, of which they both want to live in right now...avoiding THE CROSS. All false doctrines avoid THE CROSS and try to climb in some other way. It's what Galatians is all about...
---kathr4453 on 3/20/21


Galatians 3:13 - Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: For it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree,

Isaiah 46:10 - Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times thing that not yet done, Saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all of my pleasure.
---RichardC on 3/20/21


Trav, You say God has redeemed His people already? Not according to Romans 10. So when AFTER Paul wrote that did God redeem His people? 1865? Somewhere after the imaginary rapture , and now the 1000 year reign is in effect? Where is Jesus? He's suppose to be HERE NOW. So is that why we saw Jews killing other Jews right after pentecost? Interesting? It didn't happen then either...WHY?

David, you insist the Gospel of Christ is other than The Gospel of Grace! Yours like Trav is ANOTHER GOSPEL. Neither of your gospels require FAITH in the Finished works of Christ. Both of you put your faith in yourselves. Both have a I HOPE SO ending. Trav Hopes he is a lost sheep of Israel and not a goat, and you think your efforts can save yourself.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/21


Who are these people, who were not my people?
(Romans 9:25) l As He saith also in Hosea: I will call them My people, who were not My people...
---David on 3/19/21

All of Hosea is to and about people, Israel.
Northern Israel put away/divorced mixed among the the heathens....still Israel ....even if Divorced.
Hos 1:11Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head ....
Amo 9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Luk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
---Trav on 3/19/21


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Trav
Interesting...
You believe in obedience to the Gospel of Jesus Christ for salvation, but not in salvation for the Gentile who obeys it. Whereas, Kathrine believes in salvation for the Gentile, but not in obedience to the Gospel of Christ for that salvation. Here is a passage written to both of you.

(2 Thessalonians 1:7,8, & 10)....the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. when He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
---David on 3/20/21


No we don't disgard any scripture, we just learn how to rightly divide the word of truth.
---kathr4453 on 3/16/21
.
You divided it for sure. By climbing in another way.... that terminates in a pit.
Gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel....
Ignorance is not an excuse when one is made aware. To dismiss the wife, bride and servants that are responsible for any blessing you have ever received is a mark.
1Ch 17:22For thy people Israel didst thou make thine own people for ever, and thou, LORD, becamest their God.
---Trav on 3/19/21


Trav:

You wrote: More noteworthy is when prophets and Christs posted red letter scripture makes your spirit fearful.

So, for the second time, which "Christs"? I'm only aware of one.

And, for the second time, which "prophets" posted "red letter scripture"? You cited Deutronomy, 2 Samuel, and Isaiah in answer to this question, but I'm not aware of any Bible versions where any of these are written in red. Some versions of the New Testament, yes, but not Old Testament.

I'm "not aware" of those "truths" because they don't exist. You make assertions without backing.
---StrongAxe on 3/18/21


(Hosea 2:23) And I will sow her unto Me in the earth, and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy, and I will say to those who were not My people, Thou art My people, and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Trav
Prophets...I love them too...so much wisdom to be learned. Who are these people, who were not my people? Gentiles...or Jews?

(Romans 9:25) l As He saith also in Hosea: I will call them My people, who were not My people, and her beloved who was not beloved.
---David on 3/19/21


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Trav:

Which prophets......
---StrongAxe on 3/18/21

Your replies are perfect for posting truths you are unaware of.... to the sheep they were intended too. Endless Thanks.
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Deu 7:6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the
earth.
2Sa 7:24For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, LORD, art become their God.
Isa 45:4For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
---Trav on 3/18/21


The Majority of Jews today still reject Jesus Christ as their Messiah... Are they teaching Jesus doesn't matter here? Do you really see only Israel have God's Spirit poured out on them? All of them? We do see in the beginning of Acts but WAIT, Cornelius was a head scratcher for Peter .... Hummm, because Peter failed to see Cornelius as a Jew,I mean a lost tribe, and only Trav and co NOW see this? Seriously folks, God chose Peter to bring the Gospel to a GENTILE, and Peter wrestled with that. .but stated WE SEE GOD HAS ALSO GIVEN THE GENTILES THE SPIRIT. Why was that a big deal if Gentiles are just another name for Israel?

But wait Matthew says not to go to the Gentiles but ONLY to the lost tribes. Did the devil send Peter to Cornelius?
---kathr4453 on 3/18/21


Trav:

Which prophets and "Christs" would those be, exactly? There is only one Christ, and his words are in red letters in some bibles, for convenience, although that is a very recent editorial device, and was never part of original scriptures. Old testament prophets words aren't in red, because Christ was not then to quote.

Who here "doesn't honor or use explicit scripture"? E.g. Both kathr and I quote "explicit scripture" all the time.
---StrongAxe on 3/18/21


Interestingly what Trav promotes yet omitted here is the New Covenant that says, I will put My Spirit in you....
---kathr4453 on 3/17/21

More noteworthy is when prophets and Christs posted red letter scripture makes your spirit fearful.
Hmmm scripture makes self declared gifted teacher say anything to deflect truth of scripture.... hmmmm again.

What kind of (self elected) preacher/teacher spirit doesnt honor or use explicit scripture.
Eze 39:29Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD
---Trav on 3/18/21


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Paul was not upset over any lost tribes of Israel here.

Galatians 2:14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?

15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

Arent the lost tribes also JEWS BY NATURE? Of coarse they are.

Galatians proves ARMSTRONGISM doctrine wrong.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/21


Interestingly what Trav promotes yet omitted here is the New Covenant that says, I will put My Spirit in you and cause you to walk in my statures. It doesn't say, I will put my fear in you and cause you to walk in my statutes.

The Fear of the Lord is having a Holy reverence for God. The fear of the Lord is absolutely cautious not to promote false doctrines or false teachers like Armstrongism.

But the fear of the Lord does not guarantee salvation either. Those under the law feared and trembled under the Law, yet still sinned. They feared being stoned to death but many were.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/21


Trav:
If one tries to instill fear in others, this is just trying to drive the true love they have out.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/21

Love has not been a mark you have ever left in your sarcasm and doubt too others, over all the years i seen you post. .
If these scriptures i post create fear, that GOD provided.... truth is not your object.
When the penalty for changing and avoiding truth is noted (below) and ignored blatantly then it is not the messenger on trial.....rather the receiver is spotlighted.

Gal 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Gal 4:16Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
---Trav on 3/17/21


True fear is required...---Trav on 3/16/21

Trav
True, But fear has its limitations.
If Fear did not keep the angels in obedience to God (Revelation 12:7-9), it will not keep us. This is exactly why God...changed the Law. (Hebrews 7:12).

Love is a motivation, a motivation which is much Greater than fear, and this is why God wants us to keep his commandments...out of Love. If these Angels, If the Children of Abraham, had loved God as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob did...Then they would have lived in obedience to God.

This is why I preach relationship, the loving relationship I have had with God, since I turned 41, a relationship I did not have when I was disobedient, living in fear.
---David on 3/17/21


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There's no fear in the Good News. What is fearful is claiming to be a Jew when you're not and putting your faith in yourself that you are a Jew and that only Jews will be saved. I refer to Jews as ALL the physical descendents of Jacob without splitting hairs here. You can take a DNA test today yet Trav's Jews are not really Jews according to scripture. Same with any who claim they are the only ones. Your faith seem to be in yourselves. A game of luck or I hope so. And what if you're wrong? What if you're Not one of the 144000 or Trav's 10th house,claiming to be a lost tribe or one who's name got picked out of a hat? That would be living in fear all your life. Where is your assurance? What about Zechariah 12-14? 2/3 will be killed by God.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/21


Trav:
Perfect love casts out fear.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/21

Wow. Fear of GOD... is the thing you are trying to put a spin on.
Your post reflect none.
Psa 25:14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him, and he will shew them his covenant.
Psa 25:19Consider mine enemies, for they are many, and they hate me with cruel hatred.
Psa 23:4Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: ...
Psa 34:11Come, ye children, hearken unto me: I will teach you the fear of the LORD.

Psa 119:63I am a companion of all them that fear thee, and of them that keep thy precepts
Pro 1:7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction
---Trav on 3/17/21


Trav:

Perfect love casts out fear (1 John 4:18). Thus, if one lives in fear, one does not have true love. If one tries to instill fear in others, this is just trying to drive the true love they have out. Doing that is not a good thing.
---StrongAxe on 3/16/21


Trav
What you teach is fearful..... because what you say is clearly written in the bible and based on that truth.
---David on 3/15/21

True fear is required.... first.
It should be more fearful... to not read, research a book written too and about a peoples Proven GOD. Or to modify doctrines for themselves neither covenanted or mentioned.
Is GOD creator of all? Yes. Is he merciful and all understanding? Yes. Does he reward seeking and worship... yes. Will he reward those establishing false doctrines? Ignoring and avoiding facts?
Denying his TWICE Covenanted .......former an future wife? To Ignore,teach... what cannot ever be established by prophets?
Or, precepts that can.... a no brainer choice, in fear.
---Trav on 3/16/21


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So the promise of Salvation first announced in Genesis 3:15 was reiterated to Abraham.---kathr4453

(Genesis 3:15) And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed, It shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise His heel.

Kathrine
Please explain where you see a promise of salvation in this verse.
---David on 3/16/21


Also know this, the Galatians were not a lost tribe of Israel. Just read the epistle.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/21

Only one people had the law. Were punished under it. Divorced, put away.
You are digging a hole you cant climb out of.

Gal 4:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

In two verses you are found false. These two highlight the fact.
---Trav on 3/16/21


Also to suggest MY CHURCH would one-day remove Matt, Mark, Luke or John is slander.

We are not under John the Baptist baptism today. Our Baptism is the Baptism Jesus Baptized with. We now DO go to all nations RE the Gentiles aka those who are not Israel or the Lost Tribes only. We don't have to poke out an eye or cut off a hand to enter in. We don't have to worry about traveling on the Sabbath Day when the wrath of God comes upon this world. We don't have to run and hide from God's wrath either. We are SAVED FROM THE WRATH TO COME. No we don't disgard any scripture, we just learn how to rightly divide the word of truth. When we don't understand something we ask God for wisdom, not men. James 1.
---kathr4453 on 3/16/21


God chose Paul not only to bring this truth to Gentiles, but to so maticulously show Gods plan of Salvation in just about every epistle he wrote. Paul never teaches what Trav teaches. God chose Paul not Trav , of which every Christian can easily understand Pauls epistles. Paul writes in clear full sentences, not in broken code.

Be careful of folks who change the meaning and definition of words. The HEATHAN were never Israel. Yet Paul over and over tell us not only the HEATHAN BUT THE GREEK AND BARBARIANS are included in the Gospel of Salvation.

Also know this, the Galatians were not a lost tribe of Israel. Just read the epistle.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/21


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The Covenant God made with Abraham, promised 400 plus years before the Law of Moses WAS NEVER ANNULED. The New Covenant does replace the old Covenant with Moses, but the Abrahamic Covenant is not replaced by either, as you see Paul refers to it often in scripture, Romans 4 and ALL OF GALATIANS. Interesting the promise of the Spirit was promised to Abraham long before it was promised in the New Covenant. Galatians 3:14. The promises to Abraham were to ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH.....this was before there was an Israel divided or not.

So the promise of Salvation first announced in Genesis 3:15 was reiterated to Abraham. The old covenant never promised salvation. So Israel under the New Covenant is included in the Abrahamic Covenant.
---kathr4453 on 3/15/21


You leave out the fact, Israel didnt keep the covenant God made with them.
---David on 3/15/21

Hmmmm I will elaborate on what you think was left out... with scripture you didn't include youself.
Jer 3:8......backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce,
(Nth house of Ten Divorced/Put away). To be remarried under New Testament Covenant.
Heb 8:8 .....I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
(The Laws in Heart?)
Heb 8:10 .....the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 3/15/21


Thanks Kathrine...in a round about way, you gave me an answer t
---David on 3/11/21

You probably know this but as an interesting and a scientific Biblical confirmation.... the rib bones are unique of all the bodies bones in that it reconstructs itself completely. Even as far as reattaching itself to the spine .....
Matthew Henry states, That the woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam, not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved.

(When a rib it tries to grow a scriptural teacher head it is why it looks and sounds wonky and obviously out of order.
---Trav on 3/15/21


Trav
What you teach is fearful. Everything you teach is about Israel, with no hope for the gentile. It is fearful, because what you say is clearly written in the bible and based on that truth. Fearful for folks who read what you say, but do not read the rest of the bible.

You leave out the fact, Israel didnt keep the covenant God made with them. And this is why God gave, not only them, but all who follow Jesus Christ,....a New Covenant. The New Testament is replete with Salvation for anyone, anyone who shows their love for God...by keeping his commandments.

Those commandments he has written upon our hearts, on our hearts because they are kept out of our love for God...and for our neighbor.
---David on 3/15/21


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She believes what fits her doctrine... if it doesnt fit discard it.- -Trav

Trav
This is true of most anybody, and something I try to avoid.
---David on 3/13/21

It can be true.... but, when witness is stacked upon witness and refused it becomes a tell. Have refuted these doctrinal falsehoods by scripture for many years. Unaware, they do provide multiple contrasting opportunities to post scripture so the sheep Christ came for may see.
Any of which they as a tell, avoid like covid 20.... as you will note at some point. What is their fear? Their doctrines melting like sand.
Eze 37:28And the gentiles shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore
---trav on 3/14/21


Kathrine
Im sure with the political direction we are going, there will be a gender neutral copy of the Bible coming out soon. Your church may even be able to get one with Matthew, Mark, Luke and John removed.

Well no...perhaps not, because Pauls epistles are founded on those teachings and then they would need to remove some of those chapters too. Oh..and those teachings of the Lords disciples would have to go since they teach the Gospel of Christ.

Who knows, four years from now we may be able to fold the bible up and carry it in our back pocket.
---David on 3/14/21


Strongaxe,I agree, and also agree with richardC .. first answer. Eve came from Adam .

Also I think a hidden yet open word used in Gen 5:1 is generationS of Adam. And then proceeds to detail Adams descendents all the way to Noah. So I see Genesis focused 100% on Adam and Eve' descendents again verified in The Gospel accounts of Jesus genealogy.

What people may not see is Noah's descendents . Although Noah was righteous etc, not all of his descendents ended up that way. Many became the canaanites ...not because they married another so called "daughters of men". So if Noah was this special sons of God breed, that married other sons of God offspring, their descendents too became corrupt all on their own. Same pattern.
---kathr4453 on 3/14/21


2 Peter 2:1
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.


Some here may not take this seriously. LADIES, don't be those SILLY WOMEN who believe men, because they tell you God only gives Truth to men, and you have to believe them. BELIEVE as Born Again Christians that YOU TOO have the Holy Spirit and He is OUR TEACHER TOO. Anyone who tells you differently are described in 2 Timothy 3. STAY AWAY FROM THEM. Especially when they insult you and don't respect your boundaries .
---kath453 on 3/13/21


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kathr4453:

One must be careful. There is one word that means "man" as gender, and another as species. This distinction is made in other languages, but not English. E.g. German "mann" = gender, "mensch" = species. Hebrew "ish" = gender, "adam" = species. Greek "aner" = gender, "anthropos" = species.

Genesis 6:3: "I will not always strive with man" use "adam".

So per original blog question, Genesis 5:1-2 both use "adam", so they correctly refer to Adam and Eve as they are both are members of the human species.
---StrongAxe on 3/13/21


She believes what fits her doctrine... if it doesnt fit discard it.- -Trav

Trav
This is true of most anybody, and something I try to avoid. There is knowledge gained when you except correction, but lost if you reject it.

For example, I made a statement about Adams age and I was wrong, but without the correction from StrongAxe, I would still believe as I did. Pride keeps people from accepting correction, and this is why they will remain blind.

The proud, will even argue against a fact that opposes their beliefs. For example, when you refute a false teaching with the teachings of Jesus Christ, they will call you the false teacher, not realizing they are actually calling the Lord Jesus the false teacher.
---David on 3/13/21


Absolutely correct Strongaxe. There is only one Adam and Eve in scripture. No scripture says," in Adams all die, ". No reference at all to more than one Adam.

The Bible clearly states that MEN, not women are false prophets and false teachers. Some here may want to check out the three fingers pointing back at them. Also we are not in church, as some are delusional thinking any woman having an opinion on a social network is breaking Gods laws. Too funny.

So David as a man, YOU are a false teacher. But that's ok with some. As long as you're a man. Too funny.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/21


Thanks Kathrine...in a round about way, you gave me an answer to the one Question I had about creation.
---David on 3/11/21

1Ti 2:11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

She believes what fits her doctrine... if it doesnt fit discard it. Works good... until wide way carpet time.
---Trav on 3/11/21


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David:

Not all women are created from men's ribs, any more than all men are created from soil. There was only one of each. All the rest were born.

In the Bible, many names are archetypal, including Adam and Eve.

In Hebrew, "Adam" is "Adam" (man of the earth), and is a cognate of "Adamah" (earth, clay, soil), "Edom" (red), and "Dam" (blood).

"Eve" is "Chavah" (life), and is a cognate of "Chayyim" (life) and "Chai" (he lives).

"Isaac" is "Yitzach" (he laughed), and his father named him that, for that exact reason.
---StrongAxe on 3/11/21


So David, how many females were created from your rib?

I just quoted scripture David. Why would you thank me for your overactive imagination? That's all on you. You continue to add to scripture what is not there. Only thank yourself for that and leave me out of it.

David has some weird idea all females were taken from men's ribs. That is so hilarious, but I'm sure you can start a cult following on that one. If people believe they sprang from volcanos they will believe anything.
---kathr4453 on 3/11/21


This could be a very telling statement, which could explain the origin of mankind, inside and outside of the Garden in Eden. I have often wondered if God created the female in (Genesis 1) in the same manner he did in (Genesis 2), by taking a rib from the man he created.

Therefore Adam is more than a just a name,.... it is the name he called every male from which a rib was taken, to create a female.

Thanks Kathrine...in a round about way, you gave me an answer to the one Question I had about creation.
---David on 3/11/21


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