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British The Tribe Of Ephraim

I read a book that said the British were originally the tribe of Ephraim, and the Americans were originally the tribe of Manasseh, and that the Germans were originally the Assyrians. What do you think of that?

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It's futile discussing with those who do not know and understand scripture .
---kathr4453 on 4/6/21

Only truth you have ever posted.
Mat 15:14Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. ....
Deu 7:6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee......

Peculiar:
Deu 14:2For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.

1Pe 2:9But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people, that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
---Trav on 4/6/21


The second coming of Christ is the very Christ who died and rose again ...and at His second coming will fulfill those promises to establish the Kingdom restored to THE NATION OF ISRAEL. . Judas betrayed Jesus because Judas thought the Messiah was to establish it right then.....but Jesus first went to the Cross...something Israel did not understand...EXCEPT FOR A FEW who understood THE LAMB OF GOD needed to first take Away the sin of the world. We see Stephen stoned to death because Stephen believed Jesus was/is the Son of God so the NC promise of the Holy Spirit did not fall on every Jew. Individual Jews who believe Jesus as the SON OF GOD are Christians. NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH THE PROMISES TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL.
---kathr4453 on 4/6/21


JS1234, so the answer here is anyone who believes in the above that you asked about is what is called a cult. Cults are defined as off shoots of mainstream Christianity. One thing notable about cults is when questioned about their doctrine they all resort to 'spiritual abuse". They are brainwashed to only know certain scripture and can't carry on an intelligent dialogue ..

No The Second coming of Christ has not happened yet. The fullness of the Gentiles have not come in yet so until then ALL ISRAEL is not saved NOR has the deliver yet come out of SION re Heaven. Romans 11.
SION MEANS HEAVEN..ZION MEANS EARTHLY JERUSALEM.
It's futile discussing with those who do not know and understand scripture .
---kathr4453 on 4/6/21


I get a bit testy at teachers, like yours, who see the teachings of Jesus Christ as blasphemy against God.
---David on 4/3/21

Christ did not fail or his death would be meaningless which is what is implied without concern. Sometimes it appears there is something in control of this wild posting we see. May require prayer and fasting.

Mar 14:56For many bare false witness against him, but their witness agreed not together
2Pe 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
---Trav on 4/5/21


Trav I SAID:
...Israel as a whole REJECTED the Messiah and Crucified Him.... .
---kathr4453 on 4/5/21

What you... say/theorize in lack of knowledge/ignorance has no basis of proof.
You offer no scriptural witness because there is none support your false statement above.
Most Christians know Judah is one of 12 names composing Israel. Names with separate propecies but a collective Covenant And a new covenant.

yeh-hoo-dee'
Patronymic from H3063, a Jehudite (that is, Judaite or Jew), or descendant of Jehudah (that is, Judah): - Jew.

Joh 7:1After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for he would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
---Trav on 4/5/21




Trav I SAID:


THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. Israel as a whole REJECTED the Messiah and Crucified Him....


Zechariah 12: 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.


Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds, and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Please pay attention to what others are saying.
---kathr4453 on 4/5/21


I simply don't pick and choose what I like and don't.---kathr4453

Kathrine
Really? What about (Romans 2), the entire chapter is about salvation to those who live in obedience to God.

Vs.5-6...God who will render to every man...according to his Deeds
Vs.13.... For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.


How do your teachers deal with such opposition? It is a mystery, a mystery which God has only revealed to us, dont believe what the bible says believe what we say.
---David on 4/4/21


Israel.... TODAY as a whole have rejected Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/21

So you are saying Christ failed, And His Apostles failed.
Nah, they didnt fail they found those Sheep and sons of the Sheep carried the word to this day. Sure a Tare sprang up here and there but, the Shearing will take care o that.
A jew like you wouldnt have been able to find out about Christ, without the lost Servant Sheep bringing scripture about them forward.
1Ch 16:13O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones.
Luk 1:54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
---Trav on 4/4/21


TRAV, you do post a lot of scripture re Israel, but you seem to have omitted Jeremiah 30. You jump around only picking verses you like. I believe it's important to post THE WHOLE WORD OF GOD.

I believe every word concerning Israel. But I also believe there is an order to events. Gentiles as yourself may have a harder time grasping the order of events. I simply don't pick and choose what I like and don't. Israel TODAY as a whole have rejected Jesus. The time of Jacob's trouble .. a time of discipline is for the purpose of bring them back ....

You however can just preach the gospel of salvation to ALL right now.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/21


So TRAV what is your argument ?
---kathr4453 on 4/3/21

Argument? None here.
The entire reason I post multiple scripture is so any arguing debating is between you GODs prophets, his son .
Your argument with GODs chosen people doesnt even make sense.
Understandably, you have not connected anything to anything,

For the Lords sheep, Ill start with two houses found in declaration of the divorce.
Jer 3:8 I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
Marriage.... divorce?
Part 2. 10 virgins...bridegroom...Remarriage.
Real simple.
---Trav on 4/3/21




So TRAV what is your argument ? Gentiles are non Jewish, this was only stated in Matthew. It wasn't until Jesus died and rose again that the preaching if the Gospel went to all ,after pentecost to the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

Today we live AFTER Jesus Death and resurrection. TODAY the CHURCH is being formed out of Jews and Gentiles called THE BODY OF CHRIST.... NOT THE EARTHLY NATION OF ISRAEL. WE ARE NOT EARTHLY BUT HEAVENLY.

After the Church is COMPLETE the "Mystery of God" Revelation 10:7 compare with Colossians 2 then God will turn to THE NATION OF ISRAEL, but they first must go through the time of Jacob's trouble.... Do you know what that is about?
---kathr4453 on 4/3/21


Matthew 10:5-6
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles,....
Gentiles ARE NOT THE LOST SHEEP.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/21

Well in your glory thinking you are refuting me, you cancelled out your own LIYOM doctrine..... that Christ commanded no less.
But for those Sheep seeking amongst the Gentiles, a word with several broad meanings you will find truth and light. And freedom. A fading tradition in US nowadays.
Gentile: Origin of use Roman Vulgate Latin, (first hint) can mean.
eth'-nos
G1486, a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe, specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan): - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
---Trav on 4/3/21


Kathrine
That was me, but that was when I thought he was excluding Gentiles from Salvation. Which was very confusing to me, with all the passages relating to Gentiles. Confusing because Trav does not stray from scripture through self interpretation, as do your teachers.

And he,...teaches the same salvation message as taught by our Lord, Jesus Christ. If you want to debate someone, debate with your teachers, whose teachings oppose the Author of Salvation. And make a mockery of Pauls teachings, including him in their heresy.

Jesus, Paul and.....all of the Lords disciples, taught obedience to God as the way unto salvation. I get a bit testy at teachers, like yours, who see the teachings of Jesus Christ as blasphemy against God.
---David on 4/3/21


Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way, and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Psalms 111:176. I have gone astray like a lost sheep ....

Jeremiah 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep..their shepherds have caused them to go astray

1Peter 2:25 FOR YE WERE. as sheep going astray but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

None of these verses (re Matthews lost sheep of Israel) have anything to do with the imaginary lost tribes of Israel. It has to do with SIN.

Peter, James, for the most part wrote their epistles to the 12 Tribes of Israel, where Paul was sent to the Gentiles ....with the same GOSPEL.
---kathr4453 on 4/3/21


Here is OT 101. In the OT God calls Israel...all 12 Tribes His sheep. See Ezekiel 34...re shepherds and sheep ..Gentiles were never called sheep.

Now meditate on Luke 15:1-6 you'll see the lost sheep are in reference to ( not the lost tribes at all, a TOTALLY DIFFERENT subject.) but SINNERS. So Matthew 10 and Matthew 15 is not saying to go to the 10 lost tribes. In the epistles it simply says THE LOST. ...meaning the unsaved.

So again the lost sheep are the Jews....not the supposed lost 10 TRIBES.

James wrote to all the 12 tribes.

So as I stated earlier Trav...just preach the Gospel, and THE LOST who HEAR THE WORD and believe the word, that Jesus died for our sins is all you need to do.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/21


Another David here recently challenging Trav when Trav first popped back in to CN concerning Travis saying Gentiles were the lost sheep and posted this verse. I posted right after commending THAT OTHER DAVID that that was a perfect verse to refute Trav's false teaching.

Matthew 10:5-6
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Gentiles ARE NOT THE LOST SHEEP.

And Luke 15:6-7 say JESUS FOUND HIS LOST SHEEP.

Only 2 times in the NT is LOST SHEEP even mentioned. None of the apostles even once say LOST SHEEP in their epistles. Hummmmmmmmmmmm
---kathr4453 on 4/2/21


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Trav
Is this what you believe...The New Testament refers to Gentiles as the Lost Tribes of Israel?
---David on 4/2/21o

I work every day and grab a minute here to post scripture seldom discussed so similar situ.
GOD divorced/put away the Nth House of ten.... scattering them to four winds. He says he mixed them amongst gentiles, which has serval meanings. So yes this is where they will be found, ad lost Sheep... among the nations of the world.
Psa 44:11Thou hast given us like sheep appointed for meat, and hast scattered us among the heathen.
Joh 7:35Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
---Trav on 4/2/21


Claiming to be a lost sheep does not automatically save your soul.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/21

Ha....Well I prefer prophets and christ over false doctrine, by false teachers....
My lord sorts sheep out when they seek him...

Joh 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
Joh 10:4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.


Joh 10:5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Every time....
---Trav on 4/2/21


Gentiles are NOT the lost tribes.---kathr4453 on 3/31/21

Trav
Is this what you believe...The New Testament refers to Gentiles as the Lost Tribes of Israel?
Thats interesting. You may have noticed I dont spend too much time
on CN, so I dont read much outside of the blogs I am commenting on, so if you have made this clear somewhere else, I didnt see it.

Sheep are easy to identify... they have qualities of Sheep/Rams and Lambs.... laws in their heart and mind.---Trav

Well said!
---David on 4/2/21


1 Corinthians 1:23..... THE GREEKS HERE ARE NOT THE LOST SHERP.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/21

Citizenship does not equal race, religion etc.
Apostle Paul came from Tarsus in Cilicia, making him one of the Greeks. Hebrew by birth, Benjamite by tribe, Roman by citizenship. Judean (jew) by being brought up in Judea, and Pharisee, trained educated in Judaism. So he could be a Greek, Roman, Hebrew, jew, Benjamite and Pharisee. Citizenship and birthplace do not support your teaching, they show a lack of research for truth.
Confusion is the end result..... and what we read in you and your disciples post. Culminating in false doctrine, because of self imposed refusal to seek.... truth. At least do it for sax... he tries so hard.
---Trav on 4/2/21


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Trav, why are you so angry. No one cares if you want to look for the sheep. God already knows where they are. No one asked you to look for them. But to claim Gentiles are the lost sheep of Israel, is unfortunate, because not only are you denting the real lost sheep, you are replacing them with another I call anti-Semitic. And telling anyone they are a lost sheep does not guarantee them salvation in the first place. Whether your a lost sheep or not you still must put your faith in Jesus who is the SON OF GOD, the promised Messiah to begin with. I would suggest just telling others they are sinners in need of a savior, and then let God sort out who is who.

Claiming to be a lost sheep does not automatically save your soul.
---kathr4453 on 4/2/21


Your doctrine is not a Gospel, it's just verses you post over and over about Israel the NATION,....
---kathr4453 on 4/1/21

I look for the Sheep, no one else does. It makes you and your apostle furious that i do, It made them furious in Christ time too. Nothing changed in that aspect.
These scriptures I post are never discussed... here or by most Churches. They are very much The Gospel...in that every prophet, & Christ stated GODs plan. The plan came to fruition in Christ who stated exactly why he came.

Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel

Sheep are easy to identify... they have qualities of Sheep/Rams and Lambs.... laws in their heart and mind.
---Trav on 4/1/21


My Lord Is Jesus Christ, who died for my sin and rose again for my justification. This is the Gospel....the Gospel Paul preached....CHRIST CRUCIFIED AND RISEN.

Your doctrine is not a Gospel, it's just verses you post over and over about Israel the NATION, and God's promise to them. But believing that and stating such WILL NEVER SAVE YOUR SOUL. Believing God created the world as scripture also makes clear will also NEVER SAVE YOUR SOUL. Neither are the Gospel. The Gospel is ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT IF THE GLORY OF GOD. And Jesus died for the sin of ALL MEN, BOTH JEW AND GENTILE. And ANYONE who puts their faith in Jesus for the forgivness of sin (Romans 10:9-10) WILL BE SAVED.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/21


And God made a Covenant with Abraham that was not ANNULED when the Old Covenant came into effect, and was not ANNULED when the New Covenant came into effect, called THE EVERLASTING COVENANT. You will see the details to that covenant in Hebrews 13:20-21, and Paul shows in Romans 8:11-13. This covenant is about OUR RESURRECTION LIFE IN CHRIST, Isaac being that type and shadow of Jesus death and resurrection TO ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH.


1 Corinthians 1:23But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness, THE GREEKS HERE ARE NOT THE LOST SHERP.

1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
---kathr4453 on 4/1/21


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TRAV
God could care less if one is a Jew or Gentile.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/21

Havent seen you speak for GOD yet, he may just care more instead of less.
Amazing is how mad you get over scripture. What Christian gets mad over scripture written by Israel, for Israel?
Gentile since you prefer it. GOD says he will scatter Israel among them. Divorced the Nth House is and was amongst them. You look for Gentiles while I look for and post Sheep scripture. Still all the Lords scripture right.
Your lord is Paul, my lord is Christ.
Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Amo 9:9For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations,
---Trav on 4/1/21


Trav, what day does your doctrine teach Jesus .....
---kathr4453 on 3/30/21

My Lord has come the 1st time and redeemed the Lost Sheep.... left an active New Covenant writing his Laws on the heart and mind of those redeemed. Signed and sealed it with his death.
Heb 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 9:16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

Heb 9:17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
---Trav on 4/1/21


TRAV TODAY in this dispensation of Grace that was given to Paul deals with individual sinners and God could care less if one is a Jew or Gentile. Only YOU DO, distorting the Gospel to ALL SINNERS. So your nonsense mutterings are just that.... Ridiculous mutterings and under your breath snipes having NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GOSPEL.

I have no problem with any scripture you have posted and have told you so. HOWEVER your interpretation and ramming your nonsense down everyone's throat here is the ONLY PROBLEM I see.

Gentiles are NOT the lost tribes. Gentiles are heathens, greeks barbarians. To suggest otherwise is YOU creating issues that are unnecessary.

Post away. I'm not stopping you....just questioning your doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 3/31/21


Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan,.
---Trav on 3/29/21

....REAL JEWS are not really Jews at all.
And although I'm Jewish, ....
---kathr4453 on 3/31/21

Yeah... I believe you are Jewish.... who wouldnt? Because say so it is enough.... for most.
Armstronism.... a term you've concocted, and other outright lies you created to stop me posting scripture about your cousins you dont claim or call Judahites... or could have been your cousins... the North House of Israel.
Jer 33:24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
---Trav on 3/31/21


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Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 3/29/21

( Armstrongism) believes the real Jews today are Britian and America, and that the REAL JEWS are not really Jews at all. CHRISTIANS TODAY ARE NEITHER JEW OR GENTILE. SO Trav using this verse as a curse towards real Jews is laughable, and has no clue what this verse REALLY MEANS. And although I'm Jewish, I DO NOT go into any church claiming to be a Jew.........however it's YOU who make such a claim thinking you are superior to others. HUMMMMMM
---kathr4453 on 3/31/21


Jesus lineage through Mary is of the seed of David which is the tribe of Judah. You say "Israel" is the lost tribes and distinguish them from Judah ....now you contradict yourself.

Oh what a mess.

There is no superior branch of Jews or Israel because of Mary.

This is really getting more and more bazaar by the hour.

In Zechariah 14, false prophets will be put to death immediately. You call me a false prophet/ teacher... yet I'm still alive and talking So AGAIN all those promises to Israel will happen...EVERY LAST ONE....But not all have yet been fulfilled to THE NATION. Just plopping down verses re : Israel means nothing unless you understand them. RichardC is correct....you are not.
---kathr4453 on 3/30/21


Hebews 8:11 say AGAIN, there will be no need to teach EVERY MAN HIS NEIGHBOR OR EVERY MAN HIS BROTHER "SAYING" KNOW THE LORD for all will know me from the least to the greatest.

The reason ALL WILL KNOW JESUS is because Jesus will be right here reigning as KING OF THE JEWS. Remember the promise prophesied in the OT of the promise of the KING....AND WHY the Jews at His crucifixion MOCKED HIM and had a sign on a crown of thorns saying KING OF THE JEWS. And why Herod tried to have Him killed as a baby.

Zechariah 14 state when KING Jesus does return to earth, that day the sun will shine both day and night.

Trav, what day does your doctrine teach Jesus returned to earth and is literally sitting on His thrown?
---kathr4453 on 3/30/21


Isaiah 49:3 -.... Israel in this verse is not a reference to the state, O Israel is referring to Christ, One to Glorified, ....-
---RichardC on 3/29/21

One and the same.... in Christ lineage through his mother. Context of Isa 49 seems to be the people.
1Ch 16:13O ye seed of Israel his servant, ye children of Jacob, his chosen ones
Ch 16:15Be ye mindful always of his covenant, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations,
1Ch 16:17And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Isa 44:21Remember these, O Jacob and Israel, for thou art my servant: I have formed thee, thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
---Trav on 3/30/21


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Isaiah 49:3 - And said unto me, Thou art my servant O Israel, In whom I will be glorified,

( Israel in this verse is not a reference to the state, O Israel is referring to Christ, One to Glorified, Israel is referring to the Messiah - A name given to Christ . )
---RichardC on 3/29/21


Trav,
No one made you an Apostle or anyone's overseer.
.---kathr4453 on 3/29/21

You have always had a very simple choice. To say nothing. Yet these scriptures about all Israel refute you, your apostle resort to furious replies, slander, name calling etc, like your last post.
Now all have to wonder if scripture stated by GOD through his prophets, his son, his apostles.... affects you so, just what Lord do you know.
When you honor only your misinterpretations of Paul? Behold another thing as well,
Rev 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 3/29/21


Trav, what else would you call it... Bragging?

We ALL KNOW THE LORD TRAV seeing you insist Heb 8 is fully in effect. I KNOW THE LORD TRAV. And it's about time you stop interfering in others relationship with the Lord and stop sneering at others. WE TOO KNOW THE LORD AND HIS WORD. No one made you an Apostle or anyone's overseer. Get over yourself.

Not one person here has refuted those scriptures are a lie. All promises TO THE NATION of Israel will come to pass. Genesis 49 will first be fulfilled and when we SEE this come to pass we shall see more.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/21


Seeing Trav is TEACHING HERE proves this has not yet come to pass.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/21

Ha... if me posting scripture here regarding all Israel is teaching then....youve learned nothing but backbiting, yelling in print and animosity regarding these scriptures.

The Shepherd of the Sheep will draw them to scripture that answers what the Gospel deviants try to cloak in false doctrine. Sheep dont need me... I am a provoker for them to search scripture.
Heb 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
---Trav on 3/29/21


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Jacob was renamed ISRAEL. The Physical descendents of Jacob are Israel. Isaiah 14:1 also clarify this fact. "For the Lord will have mercy on jacob, and will yet choose israel, and set them in their own land and the strangers shall be joined with them and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob"

This is clearly Jacobs physical descendents. This whole chapter accompanies those promises in Ezekiel 36, Isaiah 49-66..... is all about the millennial Kingdom reign. Also Zechariah 12-14, Matthew 24-25 DID NOT BEGIN 2021 YEARS AGO. Israel did not even become a nation again until 1948. Even Jews for Jesus denounce Armstrongism, as well as ALL Messianic congregations. Hummmmmmm
---kathr4453 on 3/29/21


Trav:
Isa 49:3: Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
I.e. At some time in the future, not now.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/21
In the House of Israel... he has been glorified... by redeeming what he put away with a new covenant. The future happened 2021 years ago.
As you i stated many times.... Israel are Jews only. Israel cannot be you. The house of Israel does not exist for you. So one would never expect you to see or recognize them.
You are not familiar with these laws in heart and mind... and could not recognize them when they are all around you.
Your GOD appears to be you.... and woke.
My GOD has never changed.
Mal 3:6For I am the LORD, I change not, therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
---Trav on 3/28/21


Having a 125 word limit does not REQUIRE limiting a quote. We often see quotes limited even in politics that totally misrepresent what the speaker was saying.

Hebrews 8:11 state And they shall not teach EVERY MAN his neighbor and Everyman his brother saying KNOW THE LORD FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME FROM THE LEAST TO THE GREATEST.

This is not the same thing as someone here says His teacher is Jesus. That may be so, but is not what Hebrews 8:11 is saying.

Seeing Trav is TEACHING HERE proves this has not yet come to pass.
---kathr4453 on 3/29/21


Trav:

Yes, there have always been individuals throughoug time who have God's law written on their hearts, but those have always been in the minority. There has never been an ENTIRE PEOPLE like that, at any time in human history so far. That is prophesied to happen during the Millennium.

Isa 49:3: Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

I.e. At some time in the future, not now.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/21


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Trav:
Also, your own quote proves my point.
Rev 5:9: ... out of every ...

If that were true, those people would not need teachers,...
---StrongAxe on 3/27/21

You wish .... but, doesnt stand with prophets.
Those with GODs laws in their hearts can and will find what they need with the only teacher. The teacher.
..... who paid the ultimate price for those laws to be in their heart. Not necessary for you to acknowledge.... never was. You make it possible for others to see.
Isa 48:11For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? I will not give my glory unto another.
Isa 49:3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---Trav on 3/27/21


kathr4453:

125 word limit requires abbreviating quotations.


Trav:

Who am I judging? Also, your own quote proves my point.
Rev 5:9: ... out of every ...

Once we are in Christ, we are taken out of all of those things. we are no longer defined by our ancestry, nationality, culture, etc. These are all things we put behind us.

And, yes, God WILL regather Israel, and write his law on thier hearts. This will presumably happen during the Millenium. It is has certainly not happened yet, because Israel is STILL scattered among the nations, and God's Law is not written on ANY group's hearts yet, Israel or otherwise. If that were true, those people would not need teachers, which has not happened yet.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/21


.....and without any need for teachers....
---StrongAxe on 3/24/21

....I like to see ALL of someone's quote so not to misrepresent what one is saying. ......
---kathr4453 on 3/26/21


Ha and Wow....both you at once saves space and time, Thanks.
Kat teaching you is plain to see in print and the lack of in both your heart and minds.
Christ is my teacher. We easily deal with you two by scripture that infuriates you both.... now when scripture has that effect it is a sign.
Every one here, the few left , are a witness to all the above and any Sheep hopefully at the least will be exposed or provoked to seek the Lord and the thousands of scriptural witnesses ... truth in the outcome.
---Trav on 3/27/21


Trav:
"In Christ, there is no Jew or Greek, bond or free, male or female", as I have quoted several times, but you keep ignoring.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/21
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Revelations answers this/ your misunderstanding and many others completely in three words, redeemed and out of....
Greeks, Russians, Canadians etc.
Rev 5:9..... and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation
Divorced Nth House of Israel was scattered, dispersed all over the compass but, to be regathered.
Amo 9:9For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
---Trav on 3/27/21


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........but that clearly hasn't happened yet, because there is no group (Jewish or otherwise) that has God's Law written on their hearts and without any need for teachers (also as I said earlier).
---StrongAxe on 3/24/21


Absolutely Strongaxe. I always like to see ALL of someone's quote so not to misrepresent what one is saying. Or offer up an answer to something one never said.
---kathr4453 on 3/26/21


Yes, "A" new covenant with Israel, that clearly hasn't happened yet, because there is no group (Jewish or otherwise) that has God's Law written on their hearts...
---StrongAxe on 3/24/21

You judge everyones heart by yours..
Clues.... u are surrounded by a cloud of them.
Heb 9 for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9 For a Testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
---Trav on 3/25/21


Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? 7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Jesus own words right before Pentecost did not begin the Kingdom restored to Israel. ***Mark 13:32**** IS AGAIN THIS WITNESS, ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

So yes, Ezekiel 37 Is the time ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

You don't see this realized yet. There still fighting in Israel, over the land etc. and THE KING JESUS CHRIST IS NOT HERE YET. The King is Jesus at His second coming. ONE KING SHALL BE KING TO THEM ALL. It will happen....but ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS WHEN.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/21


......only God knows when He will restore the Kingdom to Israel.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/21

You or your apostle SAx logic never properly reflects any scriptural truth and why you seldom submit scriptural witnesses.
Most true believers are afraid of GODs prophets in scripture but, not u 2. Your own words can be a witness against you.
The two houses you dont see or hear but, some sheep will see.
Heb 8:8....saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel AND with the house of Judah:
Eze 37:22I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, one king shall be king to them all: they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
---Trav on 3/25/21


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Ezekiel 36 the words " IF YOU WILL,, THEN I WILL " do not exist. It's all God saying I WILL. I WILL I WILL. So Gods implementation of HIS WILL, is not TWARTED by Israel's reluctance or unwillingness. THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.

Yes, you a Gentile were kept from the covenants of promise to Israel, as Ephesians says, please don't fret....because YOU ARE BROUGHT NEAR BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. Ephesians 2:13. You see, the Church is not promised land, (a covenant promise) So those promises to the Nation of Israel do stand, but have nothing to do with Gentiles. GENTILES INHERIT HEAVEN ITSELF. WOW. And so do believing individual Jews today. We are called THE CHURCH OF THE FIRST BORN. We have much better promises.
---kathr4453 on 3/25/21


When God says He will enact this NEW COVENANT with the Nation of Israel, He makes promises just as important in Ezekiel 36. The promise to the Nation has specifics to the Nation....and it included EVERY WORD GOD SPOKE IN EZEKIEL 36, not just a verse you plucked out.

But just to reiterate, believing the above does not save you. It's just head knowledge.

This has not happened yet. Yes many have returned to the LAND God gave them, but I think there are more things yet to come. For one, Isaiah 14 also includes prophecy about that time. The Whole World is NOT AT REST , yet. But it will be when Jesus sets up His Earthly Kingdom. It will be at rest when Satan is bound for 1000 years. That hasn't happened yet either.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/21


Trav:

I quote KJV. If you have an issue with that, please take it up with 400 years of Christian scholars and translators. Everybody here makes spelling errors, even you. No need to get snide about it.

I said "Under the NEW COVENANT", physical ancestry is irrelevant. I was talking about the New Covenant in Christ, which is active today. "In Christ, there is no Jew or Greek, bond or free, male or female", as I have quoted several times, but you keep ignoring.

Yes, Heb. 8 mentions "A" new covenant with Israel, but that clearly hasn't happened yet, because there is no group (Jewish or otherwise) that has God's Law written on their hearts and without any need for teachers (also as I said earlier).
---StrongAxe on 3/24/21


Israel today re Those who have gone back to Jerusalem still do not believe Jesus as their Messiah , and believe it or not JESUS IS THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT. HEBREWS 9:15. SO that seems to be an issue as well. This TIME has not come yet to Either house....seeing no scripture shows a delay between the two houses.

Please continue reading Hebrews 8. The reason ALL WILL KNOW HIM.. THAT IS JESUS CHRIST, is because He is going to be here on earth during this time. But until Israel Jews whatever acknowledge Jesus Christ is the Son of God which they reject, they have insulted the Spirit of Grace, trampled under foot the Son of God Hebrews 10:29 and had made THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT an unholy thing. They are still under condemnation.
---kathr4453 on 3/24/21


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This also is Old Convenant. Under the New Covenant, physical ancestry is irrelevant:
---StrongAxe on 3/23/21

Your Bible doesnt spell covenant correctly .... and obviously, does not have these verses below so Ill post these for you.... and the other 272 times covenant is used with Israels ancestry.... as needed.

Heb 8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Gen 17:7
I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
---Trav on 3/24/21


Trav:

You quoted: I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts...

Yes, that is all well and fine, but given the state of the world, and everyone in it, this hasn't happened yet. The above phrase does not describe any people on earth today. There is no group of people who intuitively know God's law without having to be taught, and who obey it unquestioningly without being coerced. Even Christians require teachers, and discipline procedures. Furthermore, many so-called Christian teachers lead their flocks astray, and the flocks sheepishly follow them, none the wiser. This was warned about in the New Testament, and happened even then, and that has not changed.
---StrongAxe on 3/24/21


Isaiah 53:6 - All we like sheep have gone astray: we have turn everyone to his own way : and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

( Who are the all, Referring too ? )
---RichardC on 3/21/21

Context is all Israel, note the verse below, the phrase....in whose heart is my law. Then Jer 31:33, Heb 8:10.
Isa 51:1-2, 7 Hearken unto me, ye that know righteousness, the people in whose heart is my law, fear ye not the reproach of men, neither be ye afraid of their revilings

Heb 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 3/23/21


Trav:

Exactly. The Lost Tribes were SCATTERED among nations. They didn't arrive in a lump to create the most powerful nations in the world. Today, there are Jewish communities everywhere, but they are the majority nowhere - except Israel, where they deliberately re-gathered.

This also is Old Convenant. Under the New Covenant, physical ancestry is irrelevant:

Galatians 3:28: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Saying one person is "more worthy" due to DNA is to ignore NT and fall back on the old. This is also why white supremacy is so ridiculous and anti-Christian.
---StrongAxe on 3/23/21


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But hear this folks....GOD is not giving DNA tests to qualify.....
---kathr4453 on 3/22/21

GOD already knows.
Amo 9:9For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
2Sa 7:24For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, LORD, art become their God.
1Ki 6:13And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel.
Jer 23:1Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

Hmmmm ...you scattering or collecting. But then you are not a pastor or teacher are you..... sooooo
---Trav on 3/23/21


(And no, I don't want to get into the whole "Spiritual Israel" argument here, which is not based on actual genetic descent - because this blog topic is literally about physical descent from Israel.)
---StrongAxe on 3/21/21

Exactly Strongaxe, there are no spiritual Ephraimites or Manasseh. They are PHYSICAL descendents of Jacob through Joseph's line and will have Egyptian DNA and interestingly enough DNA can trace all the way back to 4 woman.....Jacobs 2 wives and 2 concubines. This is what exposes Armstrongism TODAY . Just like it exposed Mormons false doctrines concerning Jewish lineage.

But hear this folks....GOD is not giving DNA tests to qualify anyone's salvation.
---kathr4453 on 3/22/21


James 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Here we see James unlike Armstrong knew where the 12 were scattered abroad. James never said, oh by the way, if you happen to find the lost tribes, tell them they are also included here. James never divides into Two Houses when he wrote to them. But even more interesting ( I LOVE JAMES) he shows RAHAB, someone who was not Israel, but what scripture called the Canaanites, re NATIONS , AKA A GENTILE, that not by blood or pedigree not by keeping the Law, BUT BY FAITH she too became an heir of the righteousness that is BY FAITH. James is NOT teaching KINGDOM NOW KINGDOM LAW theology.
---kathr4453 on 3/21/21


Isaiah 53:6 - All we like sheep have gone astray: we have turn everyone to his own way : and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

( Who are the all, Referring too ? )

Galatians 6:15 - For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, no uncircumcision, but a new creature

Galatians 6:16 - And many as walk according to this rule, peace on them, and mercy, and union the Israel of God.

Romans 9:27 - E-sai'as also crieth concerning Israel , Though like the number of children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.
---RichardC on 3/21/21


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kathr4453:

You wrote: So in reality Scripture uses both interchangeably. Trav's doctrine does not .

Exactly. The Jews themselves do not make this distinction - they all consider themselves to be Jews, regardless of which tribe they originally came from. It's silly that some people choke on this gnat, believing they know who is a Jew and who isn't better than they themselves do.

(And no, I don't want to get into the whole "Spiritual Israel" argument here, which is not based on actual genetic descent - because this blog topic is literally about physical descent from Israel.)
---StrongAxe on 3/21/21


Acts 21:39 Paul refers to himself a "JEW" from Tarsus.

Romans 11:1 Paul refers to himself as an "ISRAELITE"

Paul was of the Tribe of Benjamin...what the TWO HOUSE THEORY says are Jews....re Judah which includes The tribe of Benjamin.

"Israel", according to The Two House THEORY refers to the lost tribes...

So in reality Scripture uses both interchangeably. Trav's doctrine does not .

Also Acts 1:6-7 clearly show only God knows when He will restore the Kingdom to Israel. It was not at the beginning of Pentecost.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/21


Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Either Jesus was confused or Trav is confused ....Jesus clearly distinguishes the difference here between Gentiles and the Lost Sheep...Trav 's Nth House. But somehow now Trav says they are the same.

Please show scripture when the Nth a House became Gentiles.

They were scattered AMONG the nations, but were never said to be the Nations themselves. Once a physical descendent of Jacob, always a physical descendent. Take your DNA TEST Trav. No such thing as a spiritual Nth House.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/21


During Paul time Israel as a whole rejected Jesus Christ. This is what Romans 9-11 is about. Paul is telling the Gentiles not to be arrogant against unbelieving Jews. And God is showing Gentiles that God NEVER goes back on His Promises. As a warning to arrogant Gentiles here, you did not replace Israel. You are not Israel ... You are a New Creature IN CHRIST. So Jews and Gentiles today who are saved are a NEW CREATURE, not a New Israel. And to Israel THE NATION ( NOT INDIVIDUAL JEWS) God WILL fulfill His Promises EXACTLY the way He said He Would. But TODAY individual Jews are saved by Grace. No second chances. The Kingdom is set up AFTER THE GREAT TRIB. MULTITUDES WILL DIE. Matthew 24-25, Zechariah 12-14, Romans 11, Revelation , Isaiah 14.
---kathr4453 on 3/20/21


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Trav, Yes they shall after the fullness of the gentiles =(ETHNOS OF Nth House of ISRAEL) come in.
It doesn't make sense ....
---kathr4453 on 3/19/21

You are eating the Elephant.... but, not one bite at a time.
Paul gives the direction but you veer off on a word he never uttered
Rom 11:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid.
Rom 11:2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Wild Figs grafted to domestic figs are still figs.... and only figs.
The divorced, mixed among the heathen, Lost Sheep of the Nth House .... ethnos are who Paul is speaking of. Judah not being put away still retained the marriage name but, appear to be jealous....
Romans 11 .... so ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED.
---Trav on 3/20/21


Trav, no one said they didn't believe Romans 11. Note Paul says SHALL BE SAVED....FUTURE TENSE. Yes they shall after the fullness of the Gentiles come in. It doesn't make sense if you say Gentiles are also Israel. Israel will be saved after the fullness of Israel come in. Doesn't make sense. TODAY Gentiles are also called. After that a deliver will come out of SION.... SION MEANS HEAVEN, Jesus 2nd coming..ZION IS EARTHLY ISRAEL. AT Jesus 2nd coming will be the fulfillment of Romans 11 to ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED. But not all Jews will. Zechariah 12-14 foretell exactly when the Deliver comes out of SION and how many Jews will die. READ MATT 24-25 AND REV. We're not there yet. TODAY IS THE DISPENSATION OF THE GOSPEL OF GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 3/19/21


And Paul NEVER taught such things.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/21

As you continually post, Paul is your GOD......yet you cant represent him accurately. Paul quotes the OT, Paul looked for all Israel to prove himself..... Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Amazingly, selfishly and dangerously its all about your un-scriptural doctrines. You've been shown. You rant and yell when you could listen.... to scripture. But, you do provide ops for thousands of scripture. Thanks for that.
GODs promises covenants and fulfillments are all found easily, words like, Everlasting, Forever nullify you in two words. For-ever.
---Trav on 3/19/21


If one researches the Two House doctrine, you will be taken to Armstrongism. Yes, these believe America and Britan are Ephraim and Manasseh and it's because of some verse taken out of Context that these two lines are suggested they represent THE NATIONS. Or those of the Lost Tribes. So if you join their church YOU TOO can claim you are one of those from one of these tribes. And walla, you are guaranteed ...WHAT? Salvation no questions asked? No Jesus? No faith in Jesus death and resurrection?

But here's the thing, even their DNA can trace their lineage back to Joseph. Yet God forbid putting faith in your genealogy. No such thing as a spiritual lineage of Joseph's two sons. It's biological. And Paul NEVER taught such things.
---kathr4453 on 3/18/21


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The big problem with British Israelism is that it assumes that certain people are inherently "more worthy" because they have the "right ancestry".
---StrongAxe on 3/18/21

Well hunny Im not british, nor have i claimed to be Israel or a preacher or a teacher.
You dont honor or know the Bible as evidenced. When specific scriptures make you vindictive enough to say things in abject fear .... you need to rail at creators GOD , Prophets , Christ and Apostles for burning your pet doc logic. I only post what they established.

Eze 39:25Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name,
---Trav on 3/18/21


The big problem with British Israelism is that it assumes that certain people are inherently "more worthy" because they have the "right ancestry". This is essentially a belief in national supremacy and racial supremacy. This is totally contrary to Christian teaching that we are all one in Christ, and that in Christ there is no Jew or Gentile, no bond or free, no male or female.
---StrongAxe on 3/18/21


Trav, like I tell many here, I have no issue with any scripture, only man's false interpretation . Armstrong ism is a false Gospel. It's been exposed years ago as a false Gospel.

I love all the word of God. And I believe there are promises left to be fulfilled to the Nation of Israel. But Armstrongism puts the earthly Kingdom before Jesus Christ. The Earthly Kingdom reign is not the Gospel of Grace. It's a dispensation of time re 1000 years before judgement day. After the 1000 years Satan will be loosed and no one knows who or how many in the end will be saved. Yes it centers around Israel and Ezekiel 36 has yet to be fulfilled. We're not there yet. We're HERE in the dispensation of GRACE.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/21


JS1234, I believe this is what Trav is pushing here..
---kathr4453 on 3/17/21

Wow looks like someone ( couple of someones) doesnt like scripture I post about Israel. A tell in itself...every time, anywhere and every where.
Never claimed to be Israel... just an Okie American
While we are here lets look at any of thousands that burns their false doctrines.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Heb 8:8 .....saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Eze 37:28And the Gentile shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore
---Trav on 3/17/21


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This is British Israelism, a bizarre doctrine popularized by Herbert W. Armstrong's Worldwide Church of God. It teaches British and Americans are descended from lost tribes of Israel, so they inherit God's blessings. It ignores New Testament teachings of racial equality (Romans 10:12, Galatians 3:28).

One bizarre theory: "British" = Hebrew brit (covenant) + ish (man), meaning "man of the covenant". This is rubbish. Anyone who knows Hebrew knows "man of the covenant" would be "ish brit". "brit ish" means "covenant of man" (ironically true, as theirs is a man-made teaching). (If their logic WERE sound, "brit ain" would also mean "without covenant"!)
---StrongAxe on 3/17/21


JS1234, I believe this is what Trav is pushing here. There are many cults who are actually anti-semitic, robbing The TRUE Israel of those promises to Her.

I think the Mormons had some belief the Native Americans were a lost tribe, but DNA proved them wrong. And they went to South America saying they were a lost tribe, and again DNA proved them wrong upsetting many there who had believed it. But this other uses no proof, because they say they are not really Jews in the first place.

People will believe anything. Even try to catch a comet.
---kathr4453 on 3/17/21


Just curious...
---JS1234 on 3/16/21


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