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Who is a widow indeed according 1st timothy chapter 5:16

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......the hope of GLORY was never promised under the New Covenant or to earthly Israel.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/21

Glory... good point! What does GOD say.....interesting.
Isa 45:25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Isa 45:17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
Isa 46:13I bring near my righteousness, it shall not be far off, and my salvation shall not tarry: and I will place salvation in Zion for Israel my glory.

Makes sense.... Their Book, their prophets... GOD spoke through too Israel. OK.
---Trav on 5/6/21


Paul clearly tells us what the mystery is, and is openly stated for all to see. But as the parable goes....seeing they don't see, hearing they don't hear. This for you is because you have redefined words in scripture, like GENTILE, totally rearranging what so many verses are saying. Gentile in scripture as used by Paul mean Greeks, barbarians the heathans etc. (SOMETHING JEWS /10N WERE NEVER CALLED.) who were without God in the world and were strangers to the covenants of the covenants of Promise to Israel. The verses themselves clarify what "Gentile" means. Jew/10N were NEVER strangers to the promises given exclusively to them.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/21


Her ya go Trav.
27 .....the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles/(ethnos)......
---kathr4453 on 5/3/21

Uhhh... its still a mystery to you. Dont be ignorant any longer.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the ethnos (of Israel) be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness

The msytery is right under your nose.... All Israel will be saved through Christ Death.
This is both houses as in the New Covenant. Heb 8:8/Jer31:31.
---Trav on 5/6/21


Christ in you, the hope of GLORY was never promised under the New Covenant or to earthly Israel. Now the NC says God will put His Spirit in you and cause you to walk in His Statutes and Ordinances, but nothing about CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY. Earthly Israel will SEE the Glory of the Lord, as we see in Zechariah 14 at His second coming, HOWEVER the Church will be Glorified TOGETHER WITH CHRIST....Those who suffer with Him will also be Glorified together with Him. Romans 8:17. There are no scriptures in the OT that state what Paul states in Philippians 3 either. Paul is addressing THE CHURCH, both Jew and Gentile. But Paul does tell us in Romans 9-11 that the Church has not replaced the Promises given to earthly Israel.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/21


Her ya go Trav.

Matthew 13:35 ....... I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

Romans 16:25
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began.

Colossians 1:25Whereof I am made a minister,.....26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
---kathr4453 on 5/3/21




The MYSTERY has a NT witness not in the OT.
IS THIS WHY SOME REJECT PAUL? BUT PAUL is a witness to Jesus John 17 prayer where this Mystery was first spoken.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/21

A one chapter Doctrine. A mystery doctrine foundationed on a mystery that you don't understand.
What a dangerous doctrine.... whose penalty is declared in NT.

Christ exposes your mystery to 12 about 12 for 12.... that will always as seen through your text remain a mystery.... to newly concocted doctrines like yours and your apostle.

Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:
---Trav on 5/3/21


Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

So here we have JESUS OWN WORDS that at the time of Pentecost the Kingdom was not at that time being restored to Israel....the Covenant promise to the Nation...STILL HAS NOT HAPPENED YET. The New Covenant to ISRAEL concerns EVERY SINGLE WORD IN EXEKIEL 36.

MY GOODNESS, If it happened, how in the world would God allow the Crusades, or the Holocaust happen....that would NEVER happen if Israel the Nation was restored through the New Covenant to them .
---kathr4453 on 5/3/21


ALL DAY LONG I HAVE REACHED OUT MY HAND TO YOU AND YOU WOULD NOT. Isaiah 65:2 Romans 10:21. Romans 10:1-8 show how and why Jews rejected Jesus. Interestingly to receive Jesus AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS you are choosing the NC. To continue under the law continually establishing your own righteousness ...you have rejected Jesus and are still under the Old Covenant. No such thing as a New Covenant that leaves out Jesus.

Yes The OT foretold of a New Covenant, but it also foretold of Jesus death and resurrection, Isaiah 53. The Eunuch in Acts read out of Isaiah 53 asking Philip to explain. So the Gospel preached at the beginning was Jesus death and resurrection, of which they were a witness to, not a restored Nation of Israel.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/21


Yep, Jesus came to His own, and His own received Him not.

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---kathr4453 on 5/2/21

Judah was Christs own family. Sheep of the Nth House did receive him. Christ son of GOD cant and didn't fail in finding his Sheep. 2,021 years later we find all the witnesses OT and NT confirming..... Bibles and blessings. Brought forward by Servant Sheep of Israel that Christ and all Apostles found.

Sheep are sheep, shepherds are shepherds there is no such animal as an attack sheep.
Luk 1:54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
Joh 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
---Trav on 5/2/21


Yep, Jesus came to His own, and His own received Him not. So now we have no free will in Trav doctrine too.

Only 1/3 of Israel/ Jews will make it through the Great Tribulation where all those OT PROMISES Trav keeps posting will come to pass.

But as for NOW, before the wrath of God comes, see Matthew 24-25... The Gospel of GRACE is what saves. We are saved from the wrath to come. So giving unbelieving Jews a false sense of security that one day...long after they are dead, God is going to restore THE NATION, does them no good, and all who die before then who are without Christ, are LOST. GOING TO HELL. ARE NOT SAVED.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/21




....Israel also know as JEWs who have rejected Jesus Christ are still under the curse of the law.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/21

Jewish Teacher, jewish teacher you are in over your head from the start. Just because they call theirselves jews doesnt make it so. If they choose the law... their choice.

You are stating without even realizing that Christ failed! That the Apostles he sent out, failed! You take no look back or compare what you teach to scripture opposing every post you send.
Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

My GOD, doesnt fail. Neither did Paul or the others.
---Trav on 4/30/21


Trav, seeing you don't understand the Gospel, you fail to see Israel also know as JEWs who have rejected Jesus Christ are still under the curse of the law. You post scripture you don't even understand. Individual Jews are saved today during this dispensation of GRACE belonging to the CHURCH, Israel the NATION and the majority of Jews today do not believe in Jesus. They didn't even in Pauls day...see Romans 10:1-8. They have stumbled over the CORNER STONE...who is Jesus Christ. He is a rock of offense to then to this day.

But AFTER and during the Great Trib, many will come to Christ. We're not there yet.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/21


Galatians 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the ethnos through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
---kathr4453 on 4/29/21

Gal 3:13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

False doctrine has to avoid the preceding context verse.... redeemed US from curse of the Law. Only Israel had the law.
Gal 4:5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Hey you an Ivanka are both jews now! She is coverted Orthodox and you are what? Spurothepostmoment Un-orthodox perhaps?
---Trav on 4/29/21


Galatians 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


TRAV, again you fail to see GENTILES not any part of two houses, was also promised the Spirit through the Abrahamic Covenant , and that covenant has nothing to do with the Covenants given to Israel.

The EVERLASTING Covenant was made between Father Son and Holy Spirit before the foundation of the world , the exact time Jesus was FOREORDAINED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD TO TAKE AWAY SIN. It's through the BLOOD of THAT COVENANT. The CHURCH is under the everlasting Covenant. Do you know the difference?
---kathr4453 on 4/29/21


The NC comes in two stages, one to THE CHURCH, another to THE NATION OF ISRAEL.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/21

I post the New Covenant to both houses of Israel..... you post an unprovable opinion of your own misunderstanding 3rd NC
Its not there so you cant post it.
I post for Lost Sheep of Israel and Judah..... some will see these scriptures answering .
Eze 37:20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
Eze 37:21.....I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22...... and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
---Trav on 4/28/21


This is not the NC TRAV. TOTALLY DIFFERENT. If Paul said it was hidden until now, then believe it.


Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

25 Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God,

26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
---kathr4453 on 4/28/21


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Trav, scripture has proved it. Jesus' words far outweigh any prophet.Jesus words in John 17 TRUMP anything you have posted.....THOSE WHOM THE FATHER HAS GIVEN ME....read it. Also, read Hebrews 2....it's supported there as well.

The CHURCH are those whom the Father has given the Son. Now Calvinism takes it too far stating God picked individuals before they were born, but I believe Ephesians teaches THE CHURCH is who is given to Christ.

Trav, Paul also says in Phil 3 ...THOSE WHO MIND EARTHLY THINGS ARE ENEMIES OF THE CROSS. This too Paul reiterates in Galatians when the Lawyers wanted a show in their flesh...re EARTHLY. EARTHLY ISRAEL is earthly things....and even to this day are ENEMIES OF THE CROSS.




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---kathr4453 on 4/27/21


Trav AGAIN, THE CHURCH .....was not known or revealed in the OT. So your scriptures of OT are not to or about THE CHURCH.
The Church belongs to JESUS CHRIST,...
---kathr4453 on 4/27/21

Your defending teaching promoting what you cannot prove.
Mat 10:6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Church
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From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564, a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.
Total KJV occurrences: 115
---Trav on 4/27/21


Trav AGAIN, THE CHURCH ....see Colossians 1:24-27 .....was not known or revealed in the OT. So your scriptures of OT are not to or about THE CHURCH. The Church belongs to JESUS CHRIST, Israel the nation belong to God the Father. The CHURCH is a gift from the Father to His Son. for His obedience unto death. This was never revealed in the OT. Earthly Israel is not the Body of Christ , Earthly Israel is the wife of God the Father. The Church did not replace or annul the Promises God the Father has given to the earthly nation of Israel after the flesh. The BOC is a heavenly creature, not an earthly one made up of Jew and Gentile aka heathans, Greeks, barbarians, not your definition of lost tribes. Please understand the difference.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/21


The Hope of GLORY was a Mystery not revealed in the OT, or to earthly Israel.
But to the BOC ONLY ......
---kathr4453 on 4/26/21

GOD states:
BOC is both houses of Israel united.
Eze 37:21.....I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
Eze 37:22.....they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:26Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: ......
Eze 37:28 And the Gentile shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 4/27/21


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Well I say HUMMMM TRAV. So you post NC scripture Paul also posts in 2 Cor 3...the whole chapter, referring to the NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST, NO LONGER ISRAEL, BUT A WHOLE NEW THING. Being changed from GLORY TO GLORY By the Spirit of the Lord. The Hope of GLORY was a Mystery not revealed in the OT, or to earthly Israel. But to the BOC ONLY , AKA "THE CHURCH" READ Colossians 1:24-27. Maybe you will get it , maybe not.

The NC comes in two stages, one to THE CHURCH, another to THE NATION OF ISRAEL.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/21


Divorced women are not virgins Trav.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/21

Christ said they were virgins, these 10 must have been cleansed, redeemed, renewed by a New Covenant. Its Hmmmm, not humm.
Israel:
Hos 2:19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

Heb 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
---Trav on 4/26/21


Mat 25:1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
---Trav on 4/25/21

Divorced women are not virgins Trav.

But who is the Bridegroom here, The Father or the Son? We see Ephesians shows THIS MYSTERY in relating to THE CHURCH, using Adam and Eve as an example. But the CHURCH is not earthly Israel, nor earthly at all. I imagine THE NEW CREATURE IN CHRIST could be seen as a purified virgin in Gods eyes. But then they would have to have obeyed Romans 6-8 to become that New Creature. Something Trav doctrine seems to leave out altogether. Hummmmmm. Interesting too, the CHURCH will meet Christ in the clouds, and forever after be with the Lord.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/21


Josef:

Marriage is a covenant that lasts for the rest of one's life - and no further. Vows typically include language like "As long as we both shall live" or "'Til death do us part". Jesus specifically said that in heaven, neither do men marry, nor are women given in marriage. OT permitted widows to remarry.

1 Corinthians 7:28 The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth, but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will, only in the Lord.

(Mormons believe in another kind of "celestial marriage" that lasts for eternity, but this is not biblical, and actually contradicts scripture.)
---StrongAxe on 4/25/21


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Peace I leave with you, my peace I give to you, not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

John 14:27
---JS1234 on 4/25/21


her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination before the Lord, .........
Deuteronomy 24:1-4
---JS1234 on 4/24/21

Isa 62:5For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

Joe 2:16Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

Mat 25:1Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
---Trav on 4/25/21


Js1234 I agree. A widow indeed I a virtuous women who has honored her head an devoted her life to one man as his help suited for him, and has honored him even in death by remaining unmarried and trusting the LORD to provide for her daily needs.
---Josef on 4/20/21


Josef, I was talking to the Josef who posted this. Many unmarried widows do not even know the Lord. And many get on dating sites to meet men to fool around. Not all widows are virtuous women. Get it now?????
---kathr4453 on 4/25/21


Kathryn 4/24 I could care less what you believe about me or my post here. Again you contribute something to me that I did not say. "YOU SAID some one who so honors her dead husband (sic) she remains unmarried." Another straw man. Keep them to your self if you are looking to "rebuke":o)))))) or even comment on something I write. Keep our exchanges honest, or don't engage.
---Josef on 4/25/21


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The Messiah has come JESUS CHRIST. Listen to Paul in Romans 10 and Romans 7. Romans 7 doesn't say GOD HAS TO DIE so they can be married to another, but THEY THEMSELVES HAVE TO DIE first to be married to another. Paul is explaining to Jews in Romans 7 the EXACT same concept he ecplains to all of us in Romans 6. Men after the flesh...our old Adam regardless of whether we are Jew or Gentile die to this world and all that is in it , even Jews to the Law, to be married to another,,,RE THE BODY OF CHRIST....BEING MADE ONE....JOHN 17. Out of Jesus own mouth, what Romans7 and Romans 10 is about....REJECTING JESUS CHRIST OR THE GOSPEL. JEWS who have rejected Jesus Christ are lost Trav. Those still waiting for Him are LOST TRAV. WAKE UP HUNNY.
---kathr4453 on 4/25/21


When a man takes a wife and marries her, if she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some indecency in her, and he writes her a bill of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, and she departs out of his house, and if she goes and becomes another mans wife,and the latter husband dislikes her and writes her a bill of divorce and puts it in her hand and sends her out of his house, or if the latter husband dies, who took her to be his wife, her former husband, who sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after she has been defiled, for that is an abomination before the Lord, and you shall not bring guilt upon the land which the Lord your God gives you for an inheritance.

Deuteronomy 24:1-4
---JS1234 on 4/24/21


Trav, So divorced Israel is no longer an issue today.
Paul here is talking exclusively to JEWS.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/21

House of Israel....Hunny,
Youre in over your head, ask your husband to explain. You are babbling again.
No one including all the prophets seem to reach you. Sheep of Israel will research and find their messiah.
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Jer 3:8 I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
---Trav on 4/24/21


Trav, since you brought it up, let's take a look at Romans 7 concerning death of a spouse vs divorce. Paul is suggesting that before the Jews can be married to another.....JESUS CHRIST, THEY HAVE TO DIE TO THE LAW.

Those who have been crucified with Christ....speaking of Jews here, have died to the Law to be married to ANOTHER..RE: Christ.( listen up you too Josef) Is Paul teaching infidelity here? Absolutely not. So divorced Israel is no longer an issue today. TODAY....IN THE AGE OF GRACE.
******Romans 7:1-7 Trav you need to get on your knees and beg the Lord to explain this to you. Paul here is talking exclusively to JEWS. *****
Have you ever read the New Testament Trav? It's time you do, and start living AD.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/21


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Josef, I believe you are playing games here. You embellished what you posted a widow to be beyond the definition of widow. YOU SAID someone who so honors her dead husband ( sic) she remains unmarried. This simply is not true, but only your opinion. Many widows have remarried and still honor their deceased 1st husband. Don't put widows in a box. That is what you did. You created a new definition of widow. One not all recognize.

A widow is a married woman who's husband has died.....nothing more.
---kathr4453 on 4/23/21


Kat 4/22
I simply defined Widow is the way that I saw fit in answering this question in a way that I saw fit.
---Josef on 4/23/21


Yes both are free to remarry if the spouse has died. Otherwise the woman is not.
---Josef on 4/21/21


GOD put away the North house of Israel because of adultery. He also promises to remarry Israel.

Jer 3:8I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

Saving for the cause of fornication.... below.

Mat 5:32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
---Trav on 4/24/21


Js1234 I agree. A widow indeed I a virtuous women who has honored her head an devoted her life to one man as his help suited for him, and has honored him even in death by remaining unmarried and trusting the LORD to provide for her daily needs.
---Josef on 4/20/21


This is NOT the definition of a widow, but ones opinion embellished beyond the definition .
---kathr4453 on 4/24/21


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"Josef,What straw man? Kat 4/22 Attributing things to me that I have not said, then arguing against it.
---Josef on 4/23/21


Josef, what straw man? The definition of a widow is a married woman who's husband died PERIOD. Adding and embellishing is your straw man, not mine. And just because a widow has not remarried in no way proves she is staying unmarried because she so honors her dead husband. Maybe she was abused by her husband and just likes being single. Not all widows are godly women either Josef. Many widows are immoral women. And not all widows who have remarried are dishonoring their dead husbands.

You embellished the definition of widow. Your straw man. If you can't see that, maybe pride keeps you from restating.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/21


Kat are you attempting to create a straw man to argue your points?
---Josef on 4/22/21


Josef, no one was talking about divorce. A divorced woman is not a widow. I was just taken back seeing my Grandmother was widowed twice and was a Godly Christian. Your first statement suggested otherwise. I know of many widows who are Christians who have remarried. They still love and honor their first husbands...or rather they are not dishonoring their first husbands because they have remarried. Also scripture itself makes no such assessment of widows remarrying or not remarrying. A widow is simply a woman who was married and her husband has died. There are plenty of nasty ungodly selfish widows who have never remarried.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/21


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Yes both are free to remarry if the spouse has died. Otherwise the woman is not. Kat you know the word, and you know the truth.
---Josef on 4/21/21


1 Timothy 5:16 If any woman who is a believer has widows in her care, she should continue to help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need.

This is what 1 Timothy 5:16 says.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/21


A widow can also be someone who's second husband has died. To embellish the definition is not necessary. Just because a woman has chosen not to remarry doesn't make her a saint either. And a widower or widow can remarry in God's Eyes and be a saint.

Maybe in those days women lived longer then men because they married older men, like Mary.

My Grandmother outlived 2 husband's. She was a very Godly woman. She was a widow twice.
---kathr4453 on 4/21/21


Js1234 I agree. A widow indeed I a virtuous women who has honored her head an devoted her life to one man as his help suited for him, and has honored him even in death by remaining unmarried and trusting the LORD to provide for her daily needs.
---Josef on 4/20/21


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A widow is defined as a married woman whose husband has died and who remains unmarried. The Hebrew word translated "widow" is almana, and it occurs fifty-six times in the Old Testament. Two of these cases are probably textual corruptions for the word "palace, " which is similar in spelling and sound in the Hebrew ( Isa 13:22 , Ezek 19:7 , cf. LXX ). The Septaugint virtually always translates almana with the Greek term for widow, chera (cf. Job 24:21 ). The same Greek word occurs twenty-six times in the New Testament.
---JS1234 on 4/19/21


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