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Jews Under The Old Covenant

2 Corinthians 3 show 2 covenants. We see many have chosen to stay under the first. Who then is responsible to taking away the veil over their eyes? Would Jews remaining under the OLD COVENANT be considered an act of disobedience today?

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When God separated the sons of Adam . Cain and Seth. Of Seth came Noah after the flood had 3 sons. This geanology is in Genesis 10. Out of Noah's sons we see the different nations and tongues.

So exactly what son was the son where the Hebrew people came from? Then there are the Palistinians aka the philistines Aka the GREEKS...., then CUSH etc.

Now these were referred to in Abrahams time as the Canaanites...aka Gentiles or nations.

Esau and Isaac were forbidden to take a wife from the Canaanites. Esau did.

The very reason Ishmael was not the CHILD OF PROMISE. HAGAAR WAS EGYPTIAN....aka a GENTILE/ the Nations.

TODAY many EGYPTIANS ARE SAVED, and have no bloodline of Joseph or Israel . JOHN 3:16.
---kathr4453 on 6/30/21


Trav:

You wrote: All humans are not descendants of Adam. You deceive yourself.

Romans 5:12: Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

If there were any men NOT descended from Adam, they would not have inherited Adam's sin - rendering "all men" a lie. Your twisted theology makes God a liar.

You also forget all nations descended from Adam and Noah but not Abraham (Genesis 10), and Ishmael, and the six sons of Abraham+Keturah (Genesis 25). These inherited Adam's sun, but were NOT Israel. These are most of the inhabitants of the world. How do all of THESE fit into your world-view? How can any of THEM get saved?
---StrongAxe on 6/30/21


I think Andrew Murray has been resurrected here...
---JS1234 on 6/30/21


Ok so now we have David and Trav here agreeing not all humans descended from Adam......AND THIS IS WHERE ALL THIS HERESY BEGINS.

As was pointed out in Genesis 5.....Genesis 5 clarify totally Genesis 2 and 3 are one in the same creation.

So like other cults Trav is saying ALL Adams descendents must be Israel, and those other creatures are not offered salvation? But wait.....didn't those imaginary other species die in the Great Flood? So it appears TODAY EVERYONE IS A JEW/ Israel Nth house.....and Jesus said ALL MEN....THE WHOLE WORLD. John 3:14-17.

So here we are today......everyone according to Trav THEORY IS ISRAEL. Right? Or explain away again John 3:14-17.....
---kathr4453 on 6/30/21


Trav:

I literally quote scripture, and you accuse me of "running hiding from Truth"? Look in the mirror.

John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 12:32 "And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

No qualification about race, ethnicity, or anything else here. These applies to EVERYONE. Not just Israel.
---StrongAxe on 6/29/21




Trav:
. It is about descendents of Adam - ALL humans.
The cultivated olive is a metaphor for Israel, that God personally took under his wing.
The wild olives are everyone else ..
---StrongAxe on 6/27/21

All humans are not descendants of Adam. You deceive yourself.
Wild Olives are scattered lost Israel, from the original tree.
Gen 5:1This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him,
Deu 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
Deu 32:9 For the LORD'S portion is his people, Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
---Trav on 6/29/21


Trav:
. This is scripture. Deal with it.
Jesus established a NEW and BETTER covenant with ALL mankind.
---StrongAxe on 6/28/21

Deal with it? Ha, little man with a big name. I deal easily with what you are running hiding from. Truth.
Notably you cant post ur covenant with all mankind because it's never stated.
The New Covenant is specific to those chosen by GOD, the Potter Creator can choose who he likes.
Rom 9:4 Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, glory, covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, the promises,
Heb 9:15by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
---Trav on 6/29/21


Trav:

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin, and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

This talks about ALL men, not just Israel. This is not just my opinion. This is scripture. Deal with it.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Adam's disobedience condemned ALL MEN. Not just Israel. Jesus' obedience saved ALL MEN. Not just Israel.

In the OT, God established a covenant with Israel only. Jesus established a NEW and BETTER covenant with ALL mankind.
---StrongAxe on 6/28/21


Trav:
The Bible story of sin and salvation is about the WHOLE human race, not just Israel...
---StrongAxe on 6/27/21
The Bible you attempt to distort was recorded by Israel to Israel for Israel. All Israel. Who you dont claim or claim to be. Yet you presume to teach who it is too and what it means. Yeah your the guy to follow.
Gen 17:7And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Lev 20:26And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
---Trav on 6/27/21


Trav:

The Bible story of sin and salvation is about the WHOLE human race, not just Israel. "By one man (Adam) sin entered the world". It is about descendents of Adam - ALL humans. Olives are a metaphor for humanity. The cultivated olive is a metaphor for Israel, that God personally took under his wing. The wild olives are everyone else in the world.

Gentiles/Nations are everyone that isn't Israel, NOT bits of Israel scattered around the world.

Cut-off branches are pieces of Israel that ignored God, so God temporarily cast them aside (but will eventually re-attach). Wild branches other nations who embraced Christ and were grafted to the original olive.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/21




Trav, Paul is writing to the Romans, in the Epistle of Romans. So his letter is to Jew and Gentile in Rome.

Those broken off are not the wild against nature. They are the Still the NATURAL BRANCHES vs 21. You have the NATURAL BRANCHES AKA ALL OF ISRAEL, and those who were NEVER branches to begin with....GENTILES.

Also vs 19 isnt saying God broke off the natural branches so he could graft in other natural branches.

But your mind wants to see what it was brainwashed to see under your cult leader showing YOU cannot think or reason for yourself.

Your version makes no sense.

I DISAGREE WITH YOUR INTERPRETATION OF ROMANS 11.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/21


Gentiles Greek and heathans were never a branch in the first place....they are the bracches wild . .
---kathr4453 on 6/26/21

Rom 11:16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

Rom 11:17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree,

When the Nth House was divorced broken off they become the wild Olive Trees. They can be grafted back being of the same root.
Heb 8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 6/27/21


No scripture says "wild fig trees". Just more lies. All Israel are the natural branches, even those broken off . However seeing Gentiles Greek and heathans were never a branch in the first place....it's them grafted in ..they are the bracches wild against nature.

Trav theory of only figs, wild or not....diminishes GODS POWER, who created EVERYTHING, even the art of grafting....can graft in anything God desires.

Also Trav may want to read Acts 13. Start around vs 20 to the end showing the OT Prophets, ...where The Jews who crucified Jesus were ignorant of....leading to their decisions....and IGNORANCE , as we see some here online make horrible accusations of others out of their ignorance of ALL SCRIPTURE.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/21


Cursing and name calling AGAIN. My my...so Christlike ....so .....

Trav needs to lose his attitude if he wants God to work THROUGH him....

And that ain't happening ....

It's amazing how ones pride and arrogance blinds folks to their own distruction.

I wonder what scriptures I've posted Trav hates? That Israel rejected Jesus? But God will deal with her rebellion one day? Trav can't handle that truth. So the only BALAAM HERE is you Trav....a hirling gentile prophet, not called by God, but called by your cult leader to put a stumbling block in Israel's way. Shame on you.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/21


They are the BLIND BRANCHES we see Paul referring to in Romans 11. As a matter of fact most of Israel today are BLIND .
---kathr4453 on 6/21/21

Well teacher you have many problems with your doctrines. Grafting is only one. You graft fig trees to fig trees not other trees.
Scripture points to wild figs. It is divorced Israel. Lost sheep scattered that Christ was looking for now. Your jewish kin wanted him killed. You would too if he showed up today.
Allergic to wool? You sure get itchy over Israel.


Isa 27:6 He shall cause them that come of Jacob to take root: Israel shall blossom and bud, and fill the face of the world with fruit.

He did. Look at your fruit of a loom.
---Trav on 6/23/21


Here again is more truth Trav overlooks ..
---kathr4453 on 6/23/21

I only overlook your desperation to hide the visible Israel. And you a self proclaimed jew. Tut, tut.

Past, present and future they are in all.
Sheep, Lost Sheep, found Sheep are still Sheep. Bahhhh, Bahhhh.
Here Sheep are your promises. Pay no attention to little wolfies.
Heb 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
---Trav on 6/23/21


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Here again is more truth Trav overlooks ..



17 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord God, I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

And as this is stated again in Isaiah 14 as well, Trav saying that too is a lie....

Trav does not live in the Land of Israel. Where the earthly Jerusalem is and has always been, where Jesus will come at His second coming...WHEN THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE AT PEACE/REST.

Still future. Trav rejects it's future or literal.

When you move to Israel Trav let us know so we know Isaiah 11:17 that goes with Isaiah 11:16 is coming to pass in your doctrine.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/21


Deu 27:18Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.
---kathr4453 on 6/20/21

Well your curse missed
me Ms balaam
My posted Saviors words, and prophets help the blind find the way to light.
Your vehement disobedience and creation of an unscriptural doctrine are your own pit.
Watch out your own stone is rolling back on ya.

My Shepherd feeds me. His Staff protects me against Stones and pits.
Pro 26:27Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein: and he that rolleth a stone, it will return upon him.
Jer 23:4I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 6/22/21


Ok Trav, so you are admitting those who rejected Jesus , Jesus rebuked. Good start here. They are the BLIND BRANCHES we see Paul referring to in Romans 11. As a matter of fact most of Israel today are BLIND . Now TODAY, I believe God is GRAFTING IN GENTILES and then after that will one day Graft in again the natural branches...WHO ARE BLIND. But that's FUTURE. And unfortunately in the meantime, I mean these last 2000 years MULTITUDES OF JEWS/ISRAEL/ NTH HOUSE are lost...no second chances. They simply have rejected Jesus and did not the works of Abraham....which is believing in Jesus....just as He clearly stated right there in John 8. Abraham's spiritual seed REJOICED TO SEE THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST THEN....NOT FUTURE.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/21


Deu 27:18Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Those who are causing Israel, Jews NHouse whatever to believe in 1/2 truths ,to wander out of the way, God has cursed.

Today is the day OF SALVATION. And there is no salvation except IN CHRIST JESUS. All those promises Trav posts concerning Israel are wrapped up in JESUS CHRIST. From Genesis to Revelation, the Bible is about JESUS CHRIST..THE ALPHA AND OMEGA BEGINNING AND END.

It's GODS WORD, the WORD OF GOD. And GODS WORD IS TO ALL MANKIND.

Unless Trav has an alternate bible, as many cults do...JW, MORMON ETC, God has called ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENTANCE. ACTS 17:30
---kathr4453 on 6/20/21


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Well Trav,
1) Jesus has come...
2) Israel rejected Jesus
3) Israel Crucified the Lord

..opportunity to fill in all you leave out.
1/2 the truth IS NOT TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/21

My pleasure alway to post Israels truth after you.
Well unauthorized teacher to be a teacher you must be equipped by nature or GOD. You havent made the cut. You dont show the work / heart of Abraham or Christ.
Judah / jews does not equal all Israel never will. Except in your doctrine which requires it.

Judah and her priests rejected and asked for his death.

Joh 8:39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.
---Trav on 6/20/21


Well Trav, a lot has happened since Moses wrote Deut.

1) Jesus has come...
2) Israel rejected Jesus
3) Israel Crucified the Lord
4) God blinded Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles come in
5) God has promised to chastise Israel for her sins and rebellion re the Golden Calf, for one, but will face what is called the Time if Jacob's Trouble.
6) They will be tested during the Great Tribulation re the Beast...
7) 1/3 will make it through that time. Also stated in Matthew 24-25 troubling times.

All this is yet future.

So thank you for an opportunity to fill in all you leave out.
1/2 the truth IS NOT TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/21


Zechariah 13:7-9
Trav isn't telling THE WHOLE TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/21

Thank-you again for opportunity to post everlasting truth.
Deu 27:9 unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel, this day thou art become the people of the LORD thy God.

Deu 27:18Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Amen. Would apply to a she teaching like a he.

Deu 33:29Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, and who is the sword of thy excellency! and thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee, and thou shalt tread upon their high places.

Yeah , Ive found em. through scripture.
---Trav on 6/17/21


Trav:

You keep using the term "Israel's scripture", but you have yet to define what you actually mean by that. It's not a term in common use. You could have just used the word "scripture", but you chose to use something else, which suggests that you mean something different. What, exactly, do you mean?
---StrongAxe on 6/17/21


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and they will have to repent they CRUCIFIED THE LORD.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/21

Ah this is your supposed jewish relatives that boast of being related to.
So what is your point? We should believe your opinion?

Hos 1:10 Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered, and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.


Hos 1:11 Then shall the children of Judah and the children of Israel be gathered together, and appoint themselves one head, and they shall come up out of the land: .
---Trav on 6/18/21


But let's FIRST SEE what has to happen before Zechariah 13:7-9

IN THAT DAY ( future) there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness. 2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, .....keep reading 3 keep reading ....4 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the prophets shall be ashamed every one of his visions...5.....keep reading 6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.

This is at Jesus second coming....and they will have to repent they CRUCIFIED THE LORD.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/21


Zechariah 13:7-9
Trav isn't telling THE WHOLE TRUTH. This has to happen FIRST.

Zechariah 13: 7 Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the Lord of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones.

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die, but the third shall be left therein.

9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/21


You throw out this and that without even understanding what it's meaning is....making you look DAFT in understanding scripture.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/21

All Israels scriptures link together in unison.
But since it confuses you, dont address it, youll only fumble it.
Not my place to give you eyes and ears.
Here are a couple that are simple by being specific.
Psa 105:10And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
Isa 9:8The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
---Trav on 6/16/21


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Trav, the way you toss around characters in scripture to assault others is so immature it's not funny. Not only that, but you babble on and on and say nothing. Balaam was a hirling prophet who refused to lie. He could not curse Israel, but Instead he put a stumbling block in Israel's way, and Israel fell into it....sinned and disobeyed God.

You throw out this and that without even understanding what it's meaning is....making you look DAFT in understanding scripture.

No one here is putting a stumbling block in Israel's way BUT YOU, BY LYING AND TELLING JEWS THEY DONT NEED JESUS FOR SALVATION. YOU ARE BALAAM TRAV. So stop projecting your own guilt here onto others.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/21


Trav:

1. You said "There were no prophets outside of Israel".
2. I said you were wrong, that Balaam was a prophet, but was not of Israel.
Numbers 23:16 "And the Lord met Balaam, and put a word in his mouth..." When God put words in your mouth, that makes you a prophet of God. He was a corrupt prophet who took money to prophesy, which is why he is a biblical villain, still a prophet.
3. Despite CLEAR and obvious scripture, you keep insisting I am wrong, and changed your claim to "Israels prophets never fail?".
4. That wasn't what I was challenging. YOU'RE the one changing the subject. YOU'RE the one moving the target. YOU'RE the one claiming you won, even when proven wrong.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/21


Paul clearly shows in Romans 10 that Israel MISSED THE MARK...
Something even David can't grasp.

..those who preach the Cross Baalam?
---kathr4453 on 6/14/21

U r scripturally in so far over your head that no one can reach you. You wrestle with single scriptures but, never grasp the intent seeing only your own mission.
Balaam like yourself was a counselor. to avoid.

Num 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD .

Sure blind Judah missed the mark but the remainder of israel didnt.
Rom 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,.
Rom 11:27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
---Trav on 6/15/21


Trav:
You keep moving the target.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/21

You never seen the target.arrows bent to far left, yet you wanna say you hit it. Your parents always tell you won, when you still lost?
Balaam not of Israel, didnt even know who Israel was.
Balaam your prophet buddy still loses ..all way to the end.

2Pe 2:15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness,
Jud 1:11Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
---Trav on 6/14/21


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OH my gosh, stating a fact as Paul did so clearly in Romans 10 is not being a Baalam. Talk about twisting scripture beyond words. Paul clearly shows in Romans 10 that Israel MISSED THE MARK...trying to establish their own righteousness but not according to Gods righteousness that is IN CHRIST ALONE. Something even David can't grasp.

You both reject Jesus Christ and the preaching of the Cross. It's obviously foolishness to you.....and God has something to say about those who find the preaching of the Cross foolishness. And you want to call those who preach the Cross Baalam? That's beyond evil.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/21


Trav:

You keep moving the target. You didn't say "no prophets authorized by God". You said "no prophets". Period. I point out scripture that DIRECTLY CONTRADICTS YOUR STATEMENT, and still you insist you're right. Unbelievable. I show ACTUAL SCRIPTURE that refutes you, but your mind is so closed you think I'm parroting kat.

I was NEVER a JW. I grew up Catholic, quit at age 10 because priest could not or would not answer important questions. As an adult, I had a JW friend. Hung out with them for a year, but realized they were just as confused and hypocritical as everyone else they accused. STOP constantly judging people for things you know nothing about - as JESUS commanded.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/21


Trav:
1) You said, point blank, that there were no prophets outside of Israel
---StrongAxe on 6/11/21

There aren't. You miss the target trying to win a pointless point. Israel prophets authorized by GOD, prophesying have never failed. Balaam like yourself could not deflect Israel, because of GOD blessed them.

You parrot kat she parrots you. Who can tell your relationship unless they ask you. You try to be the mysterious liberal closet answer-manso i ask. then you get all red. But at least we get some foundation. from ex-jw. Who knew.
Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, .
---Trav on 6/13/21


Trav:
How is this "smoke"? Do you think the Word of God is "smoke", just because it flat out contradicts you?
---StrongAxe on 6/11/21

Where there is smoke a fire is causing it. You have never posted any witnesses contradicting Israels position. You cannot, doesnt exist.
Israels scripture sets you two ablaze. and your doctrines. Not able to deflect them or answer them you attack me. Which is scriptural too.
Mat 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 15:9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 6/13/21


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Trav:

1) You said, point blank, that there were no prophets outside of Israel
2) I pointed out, from scripture, where there WAS one.
(You mentioned nothing about prophets failing.)

How is this "smoke"? Do you think the Word of God is "smoke", just because it flat out contradicts you?

No, I am not kathr's pastor. Other than our comments on these blogs, I have no idea who she is in real life, as I have mentioned several times before. Why do you keep harping on this non-fact that I have refuted multiple times? Why are you so obsessed with some sort of non-existent relationship between me and kathr? Do you really find it inconceivable that two people in this world could simultaneously disagree with you?
---StrongAxe on 6/11/21


Trav:
I don't see vehemence in kathr's posts.
Balaam - a genuine prophet, not of Israel. ......, but because he prophesied against Israel.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/21

Whoa... looks like smoke. Commando not your style. ARE You are her pastor??
Israels prophets never fail? How could they? GOD sent them... too, for, about Israel.
Luk 7:16And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us, and, That God hath visited his people.
Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me, him shall ye hear.
---Trav on 6/11/21


There is no such thing as Israel's scriptures. There is ONLY THE WORD OF GOD. And I'm not against but 100% FOR put in their proper place. TODAY INDIVIDUAL JEWS AND GENTILES ARE BEING SAVED, becoming THE BODY OF CHRIST. The Jews here died to the Law to be married to another...JESUS CHRIST. Roman's 7. So THESE JEWS are members of the CHURCH of which Jesus is head...,

However Israel THE NATION, is another entity, belonging to God the Father, having different promises. Their time will come when the fullness of the Gentiles have come in. THEN , MEANING AFTER...Israel will be saved. Israel means the nation, not individual Jews.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/21


Trav:

You wrote: vehemence against Israels scripture?

I don't see vehemence in kathr's posts. I do see it in your all the time.

Why doesn't your pastor just post himself?

Are you willing to subject yourself to this same criterion? Why don't you get YOUR pastor to post himself? If not, don't expect it of others. You make snap accusations against her pastor without knowing a single thing about him, because it feels good to be judgmental. Please stop.

Never was a Prophet that wasn't Of Israel.

You must have forgotten about Balaam - a genuine prophet, not of Israel. He was chastised, not because he prophesied incorrectly, but because he prophesied against Israel.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/21


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...but I see no where you are using any GIFT Jesus gave His CHURCH.
Poor Trav.
---kathr4453 on 6/6/21

Your Church gift....vehemence against Israels scripture? Why doesn't your pastor just post himself? You bungle up what he is feeding you. He loves the control right?
Ephesians mentions prophets.... which means Israel. Never was a Prophet that wasn't Of Israel. Christ came for ALL Israel. A servant people. What your serving tastes .... well yeah, your own madness.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
Eph 2:20 ... built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,
---Trav on 6/10/21


Lacota are scattered among the states here, but they are still Lacota. And when they have festivals they all come out of the states they live in and gather in that one place to celebrate. They all know each other as well. I hardly think a red headed Irish would fit in claiming to be Lacota.

Trav cannot find ANY SCRIPTURE, much less 3 witness scripture that divorced, scattered, Israel, Jews Nth house were aliens and strangers of the covenants of promise and without hope God gave exclusively to Israel. In Genesis 49, prophecy for the last days of ALL ISRAEL, even Joseph's sons, GOD CERTAINLY KNEW THEN they would disobey and be scattered one day never broke any covenant promises. GOD DOESNT BREAK HIS PROMISES PERIOD.
---kathr4453 on 6/7/21


Trav, Ephesians 2 do not describe disobedient divorced apostate Israel in any form or fashion as being cut off from the COVENANT"S" OF PROMISE. As I pointed out, IF THIS WERE TRUE, JESUS never would have come... Seeing no reason to.... UNLESS GOD KEPT HIS COVENANT PROMISES TO THEM IN SPITE OF THEMSELVES. And that He did...debunking your theory Eph 2 is addressing apostate Israel.

You really are daft in understanding anything pertaining to Israel. So who gave YOU authority to preach your nonsense? YOU?

Maybe because you are a Gentile Masonic OT whatever, but I see no where you are using any GIFT Jesus gave His CHURCH.

Poor Trav. All he has are his fists and froward mouth to NOT TEACH, but attack. Sad. So sad.
---kathr4453 on 6/6/21


Trav,
....Nth House have never been called barbarians or heathens then or now...
---kathr4453 on 6/5/21

Again opportunity for Israels scripture to live. Thank-you Lord.

Nth House of ten, divorced/ put away was dispersed, scattered, mixed with the nations of the world. To be gathered/ drawn out.
Psa 106:35But were mingled among the heathen, and learned their works.

Eph 2:17....preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

Eph 2:14 he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us,


Eph 2:20 are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,
---Trav on 6/6/21


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Trav,
They were NEVER aliens ......
---kathr4453 on 6/5/21

It is a sort of refuge to remain in ignorance.... unless it is chosen. To attempt to teach, ignoring scripture, going against Prophets is dangerous.

Eph 2:12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off ...
Eze 37:22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
---Trav on 6/6/21


Trav, I gave examples of those NOT ISRAEL,.....
---kathr4453 on 6/5/21

Only GOD knows you said. You assume they were not Israel. You want and choose for them not to be. You make the prophets false, annul Christ fulfilling Prophets and the Apostles outlaws. Small comfort, not being alone on the wide way doctrine.
Eze 37:21..... saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone....
Eze 37:22.....one king shall be king to them all: they shall be no more two nations, neither be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

Eze 37:28the gentile shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 6/6/21


Each person must be convicted by the Holy Spirit. Only GOD knows who is which.

The temple of the Old Covenant does not exist. So Jews have a form of the Old Covenant that they follow.

If you get a chance many Christians like me follow Covenant Theology.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/21


Trav, I gave examples of those NOT ISRAEL,JEWS, NTH HOUSE are also saved. So we'll just have to agree to disagree. Israel,Jews,Nth House have never been called barbarians or heathens then or now. They were NEVER aliens from the covenants of promise .. not even in their scattered disobedience, not even in your belief of divorce. Romans 7 states ONLY IN DEATH can the Old COVENANT be broken.

Argue with yourself Trav. You have nothing new to add, and simply have not proved your point.

Jesus did come into His own FIRST, and His own received Him not. So even to divorced Israel God kept His Covenant promises to them. The promise of the Messiah was promised under the Old Covenant. They rejected Jesus so God then turns to the Gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 6/5/21


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The verse Trav posted the beginning of John 17 Jesus is praying for the 12 apostles God gave Him out of Israel. Two different groups here.
.--kathr4453 on 6/3/21

Without meaning to or understanding you make Israels/my point.
Two groups. Divorced house and Judah. Twelve Apostles.... even a Child of Israel will get the number.

Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Isa 9:8The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
Jer 33:24Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
---Trav on 6/4/21


John 17:20

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word,

Those who teach should know and understand the whole word of God. Unfortunately we see many who don't.

The verse Trav posted the beginning of John 17 Jesus is praying for the 12 apostles God gave Him out of Israel. Then in verse 20 Jesus is praying that those who believe the words of the 12 Apostles Jesus has sent, He prays for them too. Two different groups here. We see Peter is the first to brings the GOOD NEWS to a GENTILE. THAT IS ONE NOT A JEW OR ISRAEL OR NTH HOUSE. Then Paul brings to GREEKS AND BARBARIANS. And so it goes.
---kathr4453 on 6/3/21


Hummm, Trav says John the Apostle is a false witness. Very interesting. He called this same John a false witness when asked about John 3:16.....WHOSOEVER , which includes all mankind.

But that's Trav's gig here...to trash the Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 6/3/21

Humming again i see. Another false accusation of many You and your student disciple, Israels Scripture wouldnt have this effect on a believer. Never has except for.....

Joh 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine.
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
---Trav on 6/3/21


Hummm, Trav says John the Apostle is a false witness. Very interesting. He called this same John a false witness when asked about John 3:16.....WHOSOEVER , which includes all mankind.

But that's Trav's gig here...to trash the Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 6/3/21


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Revelation 14:6
Don't worry, Trav, .......
---kathr4453 on 6/2/21

Worry is for false teachers men/ women rejecting Israels truth/gospel.
Some version of your false gospel has been preached 2,000 years.
Therefore the Angel, argue with him.

Rev 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation,

Redeemed used 61 times, always Israel.

1Ch 17:21 what one nation in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people .....
Luk 24:21But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel:
---trav on 6/2/21


Revelation 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


Don't worry, Trav, God has it under control. Unlike you, He will make sure EVERY HUMAN BEING under heaven will have the Everlasting Gospel preached to them.

Have a nice day Trav.
---kathr4453 on 6/2/21


Trav, God knows who and where they are. You don't need to LOOK for them. No one asked you to.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/21

Didn't have to ask me.... i want to. When I see your post... well it becomes necessary, a mission. I remember being fed same nonsense your church promotes. Besides, I like them.... they have truth.

Isa 9:8 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.

Isa 48:11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Php 2:21 For all seek their own, not the things which are Jesus Christ's.
---Trav on 6/1/21


Trav, God knows who and where they are. You don't need to LOOK for them. No one asked you to.
---kathr4453 on 5/31/21


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Trav, do us all a favor and don't post FOR THEM ABOUT THEM.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/21

Nah. Truth cannot abide non truth.... scriptures about THEM will always annul false doctrine. Somebody (me) will always look for THEM, as you are only concerning about .... well you. You 1st, doesnt matter what GOD desires, has done, doing now and will do.
Now for those calling themselves jews like yourself, at some point it will all click. Which sect/brand of ladders are ya again, 4th time?

Isa 9:8The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
Isa 45:25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Isa 49:3And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.
---Trav on 5/31/21


Trav, do us all a favor and don't post FOR THEM ABOUT THEM. Seeing you have excluded yourself from salvation seeing you believe only Jews/Israel will be saved and no one else, what's it to ya anyway.

And today IM A CHRISTIAN, IN CHRIST, NO LONGER JEW BUT A NEW CREATURE. A MEMBER OF THE BODY OF CHRIST. I have many Gentile friends also Christians. They are also A NEW CREATURE. Our hope is in Christ, not in land or future promises to a nation. We also don't have to hide in the mountains when the Wrath of God comes on this world. Matthew 24-25.

Where will you be Trav? Hoping you're of the Nth house by spiritualizing away the real Israel? Why?

Gaslighting disguised as condescending questions is so lame exposing ones ignorance.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/21


Trav, If 500 years ago the transcribers chose to use the word PIMPLE HEADS in reference to those not Israel/Jews, JACOBS PHYSICAL DESCENDENTS, and scripture refers to God offering PIMPLE HEADS salvation, then, PIMPLE HEADS are offered salvation. Your argument that Gentiles means this or that, YOU changed the meaning and reference to DOESNT literally change the meaning. Why, because the VERSES themselves give clear definition that GENTILES in scripture are not talking about Jacobs LITERAL PHYSICAL DESCENDENTS ......and today DNA can prove this.

Multitudes of NON JEWISH NON ISRAEL folks ARE ACTUALLY SAVED , having no Jewish DNA.

So your argument Trav is nonsense.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/21


I would say 99.44% of folks don't.
Wannabe Jews like yourself are a dime a dozen.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/21

True, scripture uses the words many and few, exception being where it says ALL Israel. I Post for pasture less Sheep... not ur 99.4 folks. Israel loves THEIR scripture.
There are many jews like yourself, calling themselves jews that are not. Which sect of jews are you? You run and hide when asked.
Ive never claimed to be Israel. I only post scripture honoring their Book, written by them, for them. Upsets you two but, to be expected. Truth was resisted then as well.
2Ti 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
---Trav on 5/30/21


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Trav, won't you be surprised when Gods Gentiles, not yours, have a different outcome.
, .......as none of the apostles even use that language. ---kathr4453 on 5/29/21

Posted Ethnos language used. Sheep language. Gentile is a an unfortunate 500 year old Roman, latin word and very misleading to most universalist/cath-olic doctrines..

Surprised? Saddened for you. Ive pointed, posted prophets.. you reject. GODS prophets dont ever fail.
I post scripture for Sheep to see and penaltys for unwitnessed false doctrines such as you attempt to defend and your disciple promotes.

Lev 20:26And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
---Trav on 5/29/21


Trav:

Yet another conclusion you leap to incorretly. I believe the prophets. What I DON'T do is to presume to set a timeline for their prophecies. Yes, God *WILL* write the law on their hearts, but what makes you think this prophecy has been fulfilled YET? There is no evidence of any people anywhere today, or at any time in the past, who automatically know God's law without having to be taught it by other people, because it was written in their hearts alread - whether in Israel or otherwise, This can only be referring to the future.

Also, yes, "their fullness **has been coming in** for 2000+ years now", but it hasn't ACTUALLY come in yet. Stop jumping the gun.
---StrongAxe on 5/29/21


2) Israel rejected him
7) All Israel shall be saved (Ro 11:26)
Today nobody starts with "the law written in their hearts". They still have to be taught.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/21

Well you keep tripping over Judah. Judah is 1/12 Th. of Israel. HIS OWN is Judah. Family thing. Judah rejected him.... and his teaching, as yourself. Jews, Judah never equals all Israel. As you now know but, cannot confess in by reason of doctrine.
About the laws in the heart.... You dont believe Israels prophets, how could you ever learn their heart laws. Sheep scripture food doesnt hold appeal for you. Heb 9:15-17.
Aye Im Trav but, like brethren Cornelius ...I see & hear, believing the Prophets, Christ and Apostles.
---Trav on 5/29/21


Trav, won't you be surprised when Gods Gentiles, not yours, have a different outcome. Strongaxe listed timeline as scripture teaches.

So if you don't mind, your doctrine is rejected. What you've done Trav is throw out 95% of the NT addressing those not Judah OT the Nth house, as none of the apostles even use that language. If they did you may have a point, but they did not .....

I simply don't adhear to your doctrine Trav. I would say 99.44% of folks don't either, that would include Jews and Israel. Wannabe Jews like yourself are a dime a dozen. Mormons , JW, and Armstrongism, all believe they are the true Israel,and are not. Revelations warns against you folks.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/21


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Yes Trav, you clearly posted these facts. The fullness of the Gentiles HAVE NOT COME IN YET,....
---kathr4453 on 5/28/21

Well here is the thing.... the fullness of the Ethnos of Israel .... non Judah.....has been coming in 2021 years now so all Israel will be saved. Christ/Apostles didnt fail.

Isa 45:25 In the LORD shall all seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Eze 37:28 And the gentile shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
Mat 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Hmmmm citys of Israel.
---Trav on 5/28/21


Trav:

There is nothing anywhere in scripture that says "Ethnos of all Israel". That is something you make up to justify your unsupportable doctrine of British Israelism.

1) Jesus was sent only to Israel
2) Israel rejected him
3) The Gospel will be preached to all nations
4) Once the Gospel has been preached to all nations, the end will come
5) Only THEN (Ro 11:25), will Israel finally believe
6) They will mourn for Jesus as for an only son (Zc 12:10)
7) All Israel shall be saved (Ro 11:26)

Today nobody starts with "the law written in their hearts". They still have to be taught.

You sir are Not Corneilius.

Neither are you.
---StrongAxe on 5/27/21


Yes Trav, you clearly posted these facts. The fullness of the Gentiles HAVE NOT COME IN YET, so THEN all Israel isn't saved yet is she? But also be clear GENTILE means all those not Jews or Israel. It means all those heathans, barbarians, etc, that were around before Jacob became Israel and had 12 sons, and all those who were never affiliated in any way with Jacob or his 12 sons through out history.

THOSE GENTILES. Call those OTHERS what you will, they exist and are being saved to this day. Scripture calls them GENTILES. The word comes from the Hebrew GOY. Jews in no way see GOY as any part of Israel.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/21


. When the fullness of the Gentiles come in.
..... AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT.
---kathr4453 on 5/26/21

GOD could stop your misunderstanding but, has chosen not to. Thereby truth concerning Israel can be found by Israel searching the same by scriptural witness. That cannot be stopped by your diversions.
Rom 11:25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, .... blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the ethnos be come in.

Rom 11:26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Ethnos of all Israel... those with laws in their hearts.... and posts.
---Trav on 5/27/21


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Trav:
Cornelius was ROMAN. There is ZERO evidence Cornelius was of Israel, ....Cornelius was of Rome, not Israel.
---StrongAxe on 5/26/21

Zero is your evidence sir. I have the entirety of scriptures for a jury of Israel to compare.
Paul a Benjamite was a Roman citizen, from Tarsus in Cilicia. Citizenship does not give lineage. Fear causes you to run when no one chases, instead of considering.

Corneilius in greek text uses word allophulos. Meaning another of the same kind. Devout, feared GOD, careful to and knew claims of God to ALL Israel.
Act 10:36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ:

You sir are Not Corneilius. But, .....
---Trav on 5/27/21


Trav:
When one has a limited amount of space to make a point, it's hard enough to write a coherent response....... speificically identifies the British....
---StrongAxe on 5/25/21

Yeah, yeah same old excuses. Scripture make my points which is the point. British? You pull something out of your teachers pitiful arsenal of slurs.... to shut down scripture?? OK.... be visible.
I like the Brits but, like Scots better it being my heritage. What has canada contributed to history? If your gonna slur Brits. Scripture doesnt seem to be a discussion point for ya.

Isa 60:15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations.
---Trav on 5/27/21


Trav:

Cornelius was ROMAN. There is ZERO evidence Cornelius was of Israel, other than in your own mind. Where do you get these delusions?

The whole point of Peter's vision of the cloth was it was forbidden for people of Israel to socialize with, or enter the houses of, those of other nations. God had to show Peter it was his will that Peter visit Cornelius, even though Cornelius was of Rome, not Israel.

Later, there would be a whole argument between Peter and Paul over whether Christians should be circumcised, because all males in Israel were circumcised - but males in other nations were not. (Today, most British are not.)

Neither of these would have occurred if Greeks, Romans, etc. were "of Israel".
---StrongAxe on 5/26/21


Trav, why do you insist God has already done something He hasn't YET. GOD hasn't failed. You have failed to understand that this prophecy in the OT Concerning THE NATION OF ISRAEL is yet future. Jesus has not arrived at His second coming as KING. Zechariah 12-14 has not happened yet nor Isaiah 14 nor Matthew 24-25. Colossians 2:16-17 state those are things yet to come.

Israel rejected their Messiah, where NOW God is building the CHURCH , both individual Jew and Gentile,(not nations or tribes) BECOMING ONE NEW MAN NEITHER JEW OR GENTILE. When the fullness of the Gentiles come in THEN AND ONLY THEN will God then turn to the NATION and fulfill His promises, AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO STOP IT.
---kathr4453 on 5/26/21


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Yep He cam to redeem His PEOPLE and HIS PEOPLE received Him not, except for INDIVIDUAL JEWS. And GENTILES, SEE CORNELIUS....
---kathr4453 on 5/25/21

You blindly claim Christ and GOD failed.
Non Divorced Judah, Christ own did not accept him.
The lost sheep divorced side did. Cornelius and family was the ethnos of Israel. Non Judah, Israel none the less.
Paul was a Roman but, still family of Israel through Benjamin.
Act 10:36The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ:
Eph 2:14For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us,
Partition between 2 houses of Israel.
---Trav on 5/25/21


Yep He cam to redeem His PEOPLE and HIS PEOPLE received Him not, except for INDIVIDUAL JEWS. And GENTILES, SEE CORNELIUS...Great scripture there in acts Trav, about a family NOT JEW OR ISRAEL , getting saved.

Does your bible cut out those scriptures? Just wondering. If Cornelius and family were Jews or Israel, why were the ASTONISHED THEY TOO RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT? No prophecy would suggest your idea that everyone you claim is a Jew or Israel WOULD BE ASTONISHED they received the promised Holy Spirit. BUT, common sense would show the ASTONISHMENT came because they were neither.
---kathr4453 on 5/25/21


1 Cor 15:1-4 is the Gospel.
promises to earthly Israel in the future is not the Gospel either. Willful ignorance is not excused.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/21

Exactly. Good scripture!

1Co 15:3..... Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures

Noted in verse: Our sins. Israels. Only Israel was given the Law
According to scriptures, .... the Old Testament for your earthy Israel sheep to see and hear.,
.
Redeemed... ring a bell?
Zec 10:8 I will hiss for them, and gather them, for I have redeemed them: .....

Luk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people
Luk 24:21 .....he which should have redeemed Israel:
Luk 24:25 Then he said ....
---Trav on 5/23/21


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