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David8318:

Many make bad predictions. What's bad is when they do so with authority, and claim divine insight - as JWs do, over and over.

They constantly make predictions about things that will happen, and claim dates are set by the Bible - but they don't happen. Bible says specific things will happen, not vaguely "something will happen" to allow false prophets to weasel out of false predictions.

I spent one year with JWs in 1976. They didn't have "bible studies", just "book studies", whose agenda was set by their literature, and used the Bible to proof-text their own doctrines.

Damage caused by trinitarians is DESPITE what they teach. Damage caused by JWs is BECAUSE of what they teach.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/21


//writing his name 6973 are the guilty one!//- Ruben

How does restoring God's name to the Bible make one guilty of removing it!? You are confused!

//Acts 4:12//

Acts 4:12 refers to a man's name "under heaven" and "among men". Jehovah has never been "under heaven" and "among men". God's Son, Jesus has been "under heaven" and "among men"! So there is no other name "under heaven" and "among men" [apart from Jesus] by which we are saved!

//then they must also have on the foreheads his name, correct?//

Do you believe "the Lamb" is a real person? (Rev.14:1) Do you believe he looks and sounds like a Lamb!?
---David8318 on 5/20/21


....except JWs choke on the gnat of using God's exact name.
...(OT has SEVEN variant spellings of Nebuchadnezzar)
...yet JW heads explode when people say "God" or "Lord" instead.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/21

Your head is exploding now choking on the same gnat species.... the fact they honor a version of it.
Nebuchadnezzar) ... was not GOD.

Mat 10:22And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Eze 39:25Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD, Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name,
---Trav on 5/20/21


So even Peter, an apostle to the Jews never once brings in the law.--kathr4453

Kathrine
Peter was a teacher of the Law of Christ, not the Law of Moses. He was a New Wineskin with New Wine. You dont put New Wine into Old Wineskins...and you dont make a patch out of New Cloth to repair an Old Garment, for it will tear when you wash it.

To repair an Old Garment..you must make a patch from the Old cloth taken from the Old Garment. Paul was a teacher of the Law of Moses, part of the Old Garment. Jesus chose Paul to be the Patch to make that repair.

Remember what happened when Peter(New Cloth), tried to be the Patch on the Old Garment? Paul rebuked him for it.
---David on 5/19/21


//predictions about the end of the world//- Strongaxe.

Laughably, 1799 was a date strongaxe trinitarian Catholic church made wrong predictions about the end of the world!

1874 & 1925 were not dates believed to be the end of the world. More strongaxe lies.

Yes, JW's knew 40 years before 1914 that it was a marked year according to Bible prophecy. JW's knew something major was going to happen Autumn 1914.

But while JW's were handing out Bible literature in the years leading up to 1914 & 1925, strongaxe crowd were handing out guns and bullets.

Again, strongaxe quarrel with JW's is completely underwhelming considering the death and destruction strongaxe trinitarian crowd brought to humanity!
---David8318 on 5/19/21




//How did Jesus separate sheep from goats?//- strongaxe

How did trinitarians separate people 75 years ago?

'Women and children to the right, working men to the left'.

"Always how one treats others". Precisely... And sending women and children to the gas chambers, as sanctioned by the trinitarian Roman Catholic Church is treating others with Christian love is it?

Strongaxe obsesses about using Yahweh, but he doesn't use God's name because he doesn't believe the truth of the Bible or the real meaning of Christian love. He agrees with the removal of God's name and altering the Bible to appease his trinitarian warlords!
---David831 on 5/19/21


Acts : 15:5
There rose up certain of the sect of Pharisees WHICH BELIEVED, saying that it was needful to circumcise them and to command them to keep the Law of Moses.

Paul refused to compromise the preaching of the CROSS, and was persecuted for it. Paul never compromised. Nor will I.

Galatians 5:11
And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

Galatians 6:12
As many as desire to make a fair shew in the flesh, they constrain you to be circumcised, only lest they should suffer persecution for the cross of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 5/19/21


David8318:

Why? Because nobody except JWs choke on the gnat of using God's exact name. Do your children call you David, or Dad?

JWs condemn everyone for using the wrong name because they're more familiar with "God" or "Lord" - AND THEN THEMSELVES DO EXACTLY THE SAME THING with "Jehovah" instead of "Yahweh" and their excuse is "because that's what people are more familiar with". This is hypocrisy.

God's son was "Yeshua" in life, but NT writes "Iesous". Bible writers didn't think exact spelling and pronunciation were important (OT has SEVEN variant spellings of Nebuchadnezzar) yet JW heads explode when people say "God" or "Lord" instead.
---StrongAxe on 5/19/21


Funny, but WE CALL HIM FATHER. And God understands FATHER in every single language God also created. If Jesus is the ENGLISH spelling and pronunciation do you think God is offended? I don't think so.

Not everyone speaks ancient Hebrew. YIKES. Anyway God sees the heart. Deaf and dumb folks would be so out of luck in the JW cult. Also has anyone seen Leah Remini ' series on Scientology? It appears many JW's contacted her that the JW'S ALSO abuse their people. Watch the last episode. A special episode was made just so JW's could tell their story's.
---kathr4453 on 5/19/21


David, if what you say is true saying Paul was appeasing the Jews by co-mingling law and grace, which I wholeheartedly disagree with you on that point, SEE GALATIANS PLEASE, what excuse do you have? You are not a Jew under the Law having a hard time adapting.

One of my most love chapters in scripture is actually written by Peter, who is an apostle to the Jews is 2 Peter 1....the whole chapter. So even Peter, an apostle to the Jews never once brings in the law. I also believe the Law of Christ is the LAW OF FAITH ROMANS 3:27. Also Ephesians 2:10 . We do good works because we are already IN CHRIST, those works are GOLD SILVER PRECIOUS STONE. Mans works are wood hay stubble.

Then we have THE LAW OF LIBERTY. The Law of truth.
---kathr4453 on 5/18/21




//We know God's name is Yahweh//- strongaxe.

So why don't they use Yahweh instead of changing the Bible!?

JW's use "Jehovah", just as "Jesus" is used for his son instead of "Yeshuah". Strongaxe obsesses about the use of "Jehovah" when he hypocritically has no problem with using "Jesus"!

Jesus made his Fathers "name manifest". (Jo.17:6) JW's follow Christ in doing the same.

The King James Bible used "JEHOVAH" in 1611 (at Ps.83:18). That's what people are more familiar with.

Unlike strongaxe, God is not a spelling Nazi. Removing God's name and changing the Bible as strongaxe and his cohorts have done 6973 times is far more serious!
---David8318 on 5/18/21


Kathrine
Paul says...we are not justified by works in one place, and then says we are justified by works in another.
Why does Paul teach both?

Those who were under the Law of Moses were having trouble converting to the Law of Christ, so it was necessary for him to teach both.
The main reason they were having trouble, was because many of the Jews were still following those teachers who taught the Law of Moses, and they were mixing it with the Law of Christ. Which is evident in (Acts 15).

The Law which justifies?
(Acts 13:39) and by Him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the Law of Moses.
---David on 5/18/21


David, I've shown you Hebrews 11, again all are shown to have FAITH, and the words " justification by the law" is not once mentioned. I've also shown you Galatians, Paul explaining over and over after the Lawyers came in, that NO ONE IS JUSTIFIED BY THE WORKS OF THE LAW. Again Roman's 4-5, 1st and 2nd Timothy, Titus , Ephesians all reiterate FAITH. Faith has ALWAYS BEEN the only thing acceptable to God...starting with Abel....as Hebrews 11 show. Hebrews 10 A NEW AND LIVING WAY THROUGH THE VAIL, THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH...AKA I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST IS BY FAITH ONLY

I will NEVER change my FAITH , not for one NY minute. Just accept it and move on. I know scripture says " not all nen have faith".
---kathr4453 on 5/17/21


David, James in his examples of the WORKS OF FAITH show works of faith , not works of the Law. Rahab not knowing the Law exhibited FAITH ..she didn't even exhibit works of the law as in your Romans 2 verse. .. Abraham when offering Isaac exhibited works of faith. No LAW, ANY LAW within or without asks you to lie or kill your children.

And you keep taking Romans 2 out of context because you fail to keep reading the conclusion of what Paul is saying.... I don't follow "one verse wonders" and create a whole doctrine out of one verse like you do. And I don't throw out ALL scripture like you do that doesn't support ONE VERSE. If a cake recipe calls for 10 ingredients and you stop at the first one... THERE IS NO CAKE.
---kathr4453 on 5/17/21


However you will see no such teaching in Romans 4 or the Gospel of Grace in this Church age. BY GRACE YOU "HAVE BEEN" SAVED THROUGH FAITH...---kathr4453

Kathrine
True, If you create your own vernacular, as your teachers have, redefining Grace and Faith to fit your needs. As Peter foretold, you can make Pauls epistles say pretty much whatever you want them to say, except in the case below, where you ignore these two witnesses, simply because you dont understand.

Ye see then how by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (James 2:24)

For it is not the hearers of the law who are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
(Romans 2:13)
---David on 5/17/21


David, this is the Salvation I'm talking about, also reiterated in Ephesians more than once....NOT OF WORKS lest any man should boast. The very same faith Abraham had, as Paul AGAIN reiterates in Romans 4....NOT OF WORKS. ALSO, SAVED doesn't always mean Eternal life. No one is given eternal life in childbearing either. Also See Jude 1:5

2 Timothy 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 3:5
Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost.
---kathr4453 on 5/17/21


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David8318* from your Bibles all 6973 times qualifies you to be with 'the Lamb'?

Perhaps , it was your group who by writing his name 6973 are the guilty one!

And if his name is so important, then why does Acts 4:12 say,"for there is no other name [v10 Jesus Christ] under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved"?

David8318 *As Rev.14:1 says, the 144,000 have "the name of the Father written on their foreheads"deleted.

If you say that 144,000 is literally , then they must also have on the foreheads his name, correct?

Still waiting on the question I asked ' So since you use his name as a JW, than you must be one of the 144,000 that are 'seal', right?
---Ruben on 5/16/21


David, The man who died next to Jesus ...what exactly did he endure to the end? I believe Matthew is written to those who will be going through the Great Tribulation. And I believe especially Matthew 24-25 is talking about that time..

However you will see no such teaching in Romans 4 or the Gospel of Grace in this Church age. BY GRACE YOU "HAVE BEEN" SAVED THROUGH FAITH...It doesn't say WILL BE, or IF THIS OR IF THAT.

So SAVED there is not necessarily eternal life. Those going through the great tribulation are not saved from the Wrath of God to come. Seeing they have to endure through it. The CHURCH DOES NOT...ROMANS 5:9. The great Trib is THE WRATH OF GOD TO COME. Did you know that? The time of Jacobs trouble.
---kathr4453 on 5/16/21


However our salvation is immediate upon belief, and we are INSTANTLY ADOPTED sons of God-- kathr4453

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
(Matthew 24:13)


Kathrine
But if this is true, if we are instantly adopted when we believe, Why did Jesus teach, He that endures to the end...will be saved?

If we are saved instantly when we believe, we wouldnt need to wait until the end....would we?
---David on 5/16/21


David, your sweet story of the widow is not the Gospel, it's just a nice story. Also David, I recommend Romans 4 to you. It gives a different account of when Abraham was imputed Righteousness ..... But it is correct AFTER we are saved we still continue to live BY FAITH and will demonstrate works of faith. This is because the just shall live by faith. So our faith is not a one time thing. However our salvation is immediate upon belief, and we are INSTANTLY ADOPTED sons of God and have an inheritance. We don't have to earn one.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/21


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When we keep the commands Gods gives us, commands through his Holy Spirit, these deeds are called Good works. These Good works are much like the righteousness which Abraham was credited for, which is why Paul uses Abraham for this reference.

Why are they called good works?
Because they are done out of Love, and love changes the heart. Changing the hearts of those who continuously do them, making them good. Paul called this change the circumcision of the heart.
but glory, honor and peace to every man who worketh good, to the Jew first and also to the Gentile.
(Romans 2:10)
---David on 5/15/21


Kathrine
Once upon a time, there was a group of boys who kept an elderly widows yard all summer long. Every week, she would pay these boys $3 dollars each. She enjoyed their company and would give them KoolAid and cookies when they finished.

One of these boys, believing the Old Woman was poor, came back that winter and shoveled her sidewalk and driveway for free. She would invite him in for Hot cocoa and cake when the boy finished. She came to love the boy as her own, and the boy came back shoveling, every winter until she died. The boy, unexpectedly inherited her entire estate, discovering she was quite wealthy.

The boy did not work every winter, expecting an inheritance. He did it, because he had come to Love the Old Woman.
---David on 5/15/21


.....self-delusion and end up dividing Christ. Also, constant bickering on sites like this one.
---StrongAxe on 5/14/21

Bickering.... you 2 love it so. You two harangue anyone that has ever posted here with your utter non- logical, un-scriptural nonsense. Yelling in print as scripture doesn't support your cult of two.
You two divide all the prophets and Apostles from the Old Testament to your Newest unscripturally supported doctrines. But, its everyone else's fault.
Ha, what self deceived irony.
Eat these apples. Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Isa 9:8 The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.
---Trav on 5/15/21


When the Holy Spirit brings to mind THE WORD OF GOD, , I OBEY, YIELDING TO GODS WILL and not my own.

---kathr4453 on 5/14/21

We see you obey in your post....testimony and teaching are multiplied witnesses.
Luk 1:54 He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,

Luk 24:25 .....O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

Joh 10:7 Jesus unto them .....I am the door of the sheep.
Joh 10:1 I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
---Trav on 5/15/21


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Some believe you can stop following the Holy Spirit. I believe the term is to quench the Holy Spirit within. Now we come to the New Covenant. If God said I will put my spirit within you and CAUSE YOU to walk in my statutes, then who is in power here..you or God? If you say "you" then you go back under the issue with the Old Covenant....so what advantage has the New Covenant? Under the New, scripture teaches it's GOD AT WORK IN YOU, WORKING IN YOU TO WILL AND DO OF HIS GOOD PLEASURE.

But those promises are to those who are saved, not those trying to earn salvation. Romans 8 says we are in the Spirit and not the flesh if we are Christ's. And if you are not in the Spirit you are not Christ's.
---kathr4453 on 5/15/21


Jesus said MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE. David said...YOUR WORD IS A LAMP UNTO MY FEET....Hebrews states..THE WORD OF GOD is living and powerful and stronger than a two edge sword. Yes all the Trinity, Father Son and Holy Spirit are at work in me ALL TOGETHER AND AT THE SAME TIME HAVING THE SAME MIND. When the Holy Spirit brings to mind THE WORD OF GOD, , I OBEY, YIELDING TO GODS WILL and not my own.

If this is what you mean by following the Holy Spirit OK. But I believe it's much more detailed than just saying...follow the Holy Spirit and may mislead others. Satan can imitate the Holy Spirit, so I need THE WHOLE TRINITY, NOT JUST 1/3 at work in and around and through me to stay in the truth.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/21


David, Many people say they are following the Holy Spirit and believe all sorts of off the wall things. When you David believe you have to EARN your salvation, then your take on FOLLOWING the Holy Spirit is different. YIELDING, GIVING WAY TO walking in the Spirit and not the flesh I believe is more appropriate to those saved by GRACE. Seeing you have issues with being SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH, and faith is not OF WORKS, I don't need any lessions from you on my faith and walk with the Lord. Again, no verse says to follow the Holy Spirit. So stop trying to make up scriptures that don't say that and condemning those who don't redefine the Word of God. The Holy Spirit is ALWAYS WORKING IN AND THROUGH ME. I YIELD TO THE HOLY SPIRIT IN ME.
---kathr4453 on 5/14/21


David:

Unfortunately, there are many who claim to walk after the Spirit, and who honestly believe they do so, but in reality, do not. Evidence of this is the large number of denominations and sects and even cults that think they have a monopoly on truth, but are caught up in self-delusion and end up dividing Christ. Also, constant bickering on sites like this one.


kathr4453:

Yes, that is true. However it applies **to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.**

There are many who think they are doing so, but are not (see above). Only God can tell for sure which is which - which is why the wheat is sorted from the chaff AFTER the harvest, instead of while it is growing.
---StrongAxe on 5/14/21


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This is the Truth I follow after: not enough room for the whole chapter....

Romans 8:1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/21


You talk about everything BUT JESUS CHRIST.---kathr4453

Kathrine
I will try to make this clearer to you, for you dont seem to understand this as well as you think.

If someone is following the Holy Spirit, they are following Jesus.
Why?? Because they are one!!!
For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. (1 John 5:7).

StrongAxe
She listens to you, can you explain it so she can understand?
---David on 5/14/21


David, I understand what you are saying. And believe me I don't need your help understanding the Trinity. But you seem to avoid anything concerning Jesus, and THAT was my point. You talk about everything BUT JESUS CHRIST. Jesus said FOLLOW ME. Paul said FOLLOW ME THE WAY I FOLLOW CHRIST. WE ARE TO FOLLOW HIM INTO DEATH AND RESURRECTION LIFE. Your holy spirit doesnt teach or believe this as you avoid Romans 6-8. Also check out Romans 8: 11-13.

I believe you are the one needing HELP UNDERSTANDING. We WALK IN THE SPIRIT David, not behind Him. We are sealed with The Holy Spirit David. When we walk in the Spirit we are yielding to Him.
---kathr4453 on 5/13/21


David8318:

You choke on gnats (spelling of God's name) while swallowing camels (claiming to be God's only spokesmen, yet repeatedly getting it wrong). You act like exact wording of God's Name is the central core of the Gospel. It is not.

Matthew 25. How did Jesus separate sheep from goats? Theological correctess? Pronouncing God's name? Being part of the Right Organisation? No. Always how one treats others: "I was hungry and you fed me, naked and you clothed me".

We know God's name is Yahweh (Jehovah is inaccurate, yet you allow that inaccuracy "due to custom" despite condemning everyone else's customs). We just don't obsess over making it more important than everything else, as you do.
---StrongAxe on 5/13/21


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The gospels are STEEPED with verses Jesus states OVER AND OVER we are to FOLLOW HIM...JESUS.---kathr4453

Kathrine
I wanted to address this yesterday, but didnt have enough space. In the above statement, I discovered the root of your blindness. Now maybe we can help you.

Kathrine, when you are Following Holy Spirit.....you are following Jesus.
For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one.
(1 John 5:7).
I and My Father are one.(John 10:30)


Benny Hinns teachings are foolishness. But you must admit, if he teaches his followers to follow the Holy Spirit and your teachers dont, what does that say about your teachers?
---David on 5/13/21


//They don't consider any translations of the Bible by other groups to be The Truth//- strongaxe.

Given the fact all trinitarian translations remove God's name all 6973 times, how can trinitarian Bibles ever be teaching Truth!?

The NWT speaks far more Truth by restoring God's name to its rightful place in scripture as originally inspired by holy spirit.

God's name is to be "written on the foreheads" of the 144,000! (Rev.14:1) How can they be written on the foreheads of those who have gone out of their way to work against the holy spirit and remove God's name!? Jesus "made God's name manifest"! (Jo.17:17)

Trinitarians are opposed to Christ because they hide God's name!
---David8318 on 5/13/21


What evidence do you have the northern tribes have BECOME another nation, e.g. Saxons? Yes, Israel was scattered among the nations, but they always maintained their identity. ....
---StrongAxe on 5/11/21

Exactly. The Mormons made this mistake suggesting the Native Americans are actually a lost tribe....their own DNA science proved them wrong. They went to South America saying they were a lost tribe..and again their DNA science proved them wrong. Trav fails to understand even during Queen Isabella time, Jews SECRETLY practiced their faith ...and that is what the inquisition was about.

They were scattered among the nations...they didn't become those nations losing their identity.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/21


Trav:
The New Testament itself frequently uses the term "Jews" to refer to ALL of Israel, irrespective of tribe.

It's a pity you keep choking on this gnat..
---StrongAxe on 5/11/21


Lazy? You always lack any proof/witnesses with scripture. You cant, term always refers to Judah, never all 12. Benjamin by alignment after separation of Nth House.
Why my posting prophets chases you. People run when guilty, defenseless, no one to assist their logic.
Pity is reserved for the guy under the scriptural Elephant. You have no means of getting him off of you..... without help.
You are blind by choice your help is blocked by ur self esteem.
Mmmmm these gnats are good.... glad you dont want any.
---Trav on 5/12/21


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David8318:

Yes, they did:

WT 5/1/1922 p73: the 'time of the end' began in 1799, that the Lord's second presence began in 1874.

WT 7/15/1894 p1677: bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, p97: 1925 shall mark the resurrection of the faithful worthies of old and the beginning of reconstruction

WT 1968: Are we to assume from this study that the battle of Armageddon will be all over by the autumn of 1975, and the long-looked-for thousand-year reign of Christ will begin by then?

I heard about their repudiating their old literature FROM THEIR OWN MEMBERS.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/21


//They keep making predictions about the end of the world// strongaxe.

JW's don't "keep making predictions" as strangaxe falsely claims.

JW's are waiting for the end of this Satanic system to end that's correct. But nobody knows the day or the hour (Matt.24:36).

//they consider THEIR OWN LITERATURE from 50 years ago to be dangerous//- strongaxe

This is laughable. Another lie.

I've been a JW for over 35yrs. Have JW literature dating back to 1901 and I'm still serving. Any suggestion one might be "disfellowshipped" for possessing old literature is completely bonkers.

More strongaxe hysteria.
---David8318 on 5/12/21


David, I'm very well aware of the verse and I'm sure so are all the Apostles. Yet not one of them ever said to follow the Holy Spirit. Not even John in John 1,2,and 3.

scripture says .. and Jesus says..." FOLLOW ME. " Ephesians says JESUS is made unto us the wisdom and knowledge of Him. James says if we need wisdom ASK GOD. The Holy Spirit is IN US. SO I would say WE YIELD to the Holy Spirit.

I guess see too much Benny Hinn and those folks in that comment EVERYTHING is about the Holy Spirit with them.

Jesus never even said in that verse that we are to FOLLOW the Holy Spirit. That's something you threw in. David, just stick to scripture , and stop adding your commentary.
---kathr4453 on 5/12/21


//guilty of all the things they accused other Christians of//- strongaxe.

Are JW's guilty of coercing young men and women to fight in two world wars? Wars fostered and encouraged by strongaxe trinitarian leaders! The life expectancy of youngsters in any trinitarian church during WW I & II was a matter of months!

Many have stopped drinking strongaxe trinitarian Death-Aid... left the pagan trinity and come over to the truth!

Strongaxe 'squeezes out the gnat, but gulps down the camel'... Hypocritically pointing to "errors" of JW's while ignoring the glaring rotteness of trinitarian death cults!

Google images: the churches and hitler.

See what strongaxe trinitarian leaders are guilty of!
---David8318 on 5/11/21


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Trav:

The New Testament itself frequently uses the term "Jews" to refer to ALL of Israel, irrespective of tribe. The nation of Judah also included the tribe of Benjamin, and the very fact that priests were included meant Levi was included as well. I'm not singling out one specific tribe. I'm just following a convention established in the NT itself. It's a pity you keep choking on this gnat.

What is your evidence that any of the northern tribes have BECOME another nation, e.g. Saxons? Yes, Israel was scattered among the nations, but they always maintained their identity. Today we see groups of them practicing Judaism (i.e. the religion of Moses) all over the world.
---StrongAxe on 5/11/21


I can't find a single verse that says we are to FOLLOW The Holy Spirit. Kathr4453

Kathrine
You really need to Acquaint yourself with the teachings of Jesus Christ. When Jesus left, God the Father gave us the gift of the Holy Spirit. Do you know why? It is to remind us of what Jesus taught.

Dont believe me, do you? Maybe you will believe Jesus this time.
But the Comforter, who is the Holy Ghost whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 14:26


Now why would Jesus want us to be reminded of what he taught, when you believe his teachings are not even relevant? Hmmm...puzzling??
---David on 5/11/21


I can't find a single verse that says we are to FOLLOW The Holy Spirit.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/21

It guides directs. Not something you show signs/ marks of ...... last several years.


Psa 106:47Save us, O LORD our God, and gather us from among the gentiles,.....
Psa 106:48Blessed be the LORD God of Israel from everlasting to everlasting: and let all the people say, Amen. Praise ye the LORD.

Isa 29:23But when he seeth his children, the work of mine hands, in the midst of him, they shall sanctify my name, and sanctify the Holy One of Jacob, and shall fear the God of Israel.
Isa 29:24They also that erred in spirit shall come to understanding, and they that murmured shall learn doctrine.
---Trav on 5/11/21


I can't find a single verse that says we are to FOLLOW The Holy Spirit. The gospels are STEEPED with verses Jesus states OVER AND OVER we are to FOLLOW HIM...JESUS.

And Paul reiterates this in 1 Corinthians.....Paul showing us this example of his life following JESUS CHRIST.

1 Corinthians 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

There is a difference between the two. But AGAIN, some here completely bypass Jesus as though he's a second class citizen, red headed stepchild.

We follow Jesus into death and resurrection life. Remember, the Holy Spirit didn't die for you. We are not baptized into the Holy Spirit...but baptized into HIS DEATH. DAVID PREACHES ANOTHER GOSPEL NOT IN SCRIPTURE.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/21


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These are evidence they don't have the law in their hearts, and those who unquestioningly follow them obviously don't either.
---StrongAxe on 5/10/21


StrongAxe
I agree, which only proves they were not chosen by God. These are the blind guides Jesus warned us about. The very fact that we have so many doctrines, which oppose each other, proves only one can be the Truth and the rest are lies.

This is why God wants us to follow the Holy Spirit. Many have never been taught how to follow, including these teachers. These churches are like franchises, identified only by their doctrines.

They sent these folks to school, to learn the doctrine, much like a MacDonalds manager, only we call our schools a seminary.
---David on 5/11/21


David8318:

JWs lie. They use "The Truth", not mean "The Word of God", but "THEIR interpreation of the Word of God". "I came into The Truth in 1976" means "I started to study **The NWT Translation of the Bible, under the guidance of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society** in 1976". They don't consider any translations of the Bible by other groups to be The Truth, nor studying the Bible without their direction to be The Truth either.

I spent one year (1976) with JWs until I stopped drinking their Kool-Aid, realizing they were guilty of all the things they accused other Christians of. I also have several friends who came out of that and still have family there, causing much grief.
---StrongAxe on 5/11/21


Trav:
That Israel as a whole, has NOT accepted Christ is proof Heb 8:10 has not happened yet..
---StrongAxe on 5/10/21

No one said it was completed. Obviously all of the previously put away Nth House have not come in yet. Blindly you dont recognize anything but, jews. So you measure with a short ruler.

Rom 11:25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the ethnos be come in.

Rom 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
---Trav on 5/11/21


Strongaxe- "The Truth" (their (JWs) name for the Word of God)

Nope. Strongaxe lies again.

Jesus said:

"...your word is truth" (John 17:17 NIV)

JW's refer to the Word of God as "the Truth", because that's how Christ referred to it!

Strongaxe keeps getting it wrong all the time.
---David8318 on 5/10/21


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These are evidence they don't have the law in their hearts, and those who unquestioningly follow them obviously don't either.
---StrongAxe on 5/10/21

Sure there are imposters, then and now. Christ speaks of them. OT warns of them. You judge everyone to be like you. You are not representative of all or few of Israel... neither are your examples or doctrines. Israels book, you disclaim. Except bits and pieces you dont grasp.

Isa 56:10His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark, sleeping, l......
Isa 56:11Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
---Trav on 5/10/21


Trav:

That Israel as a whole, has NOT accepted Christ is proof Heb 8:10 has not happened yet.

Read Zachariah 4 about the Day of the Lord. He will stand on the Mount of Olives, which will split in half from east to west, one half going north, one south (4). There is a geological fault there.

12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.

Clearly a sign of Jesus returning, his people FINALLY recognizing him. This has not happened yet.
---StrongAxe on 5/10/21


Hebrews tells us THE BLOOD OF JESUS has PURGED our CONSCIENCE FROM dead works to serve the LIVING GOD. Hebrews 9:14.

Interestingly we see in the Gospels Jesus said the Holy Spirit doesn't speak of Himself but points to Jesus Christ. John 16:13.

I'm suspicious if those who never talk of Jesus Christ but bypass Him in every post. Or like the WOF folks Benny Hinn and the likes who always talk about the Holy Spirit exclusively ... Have their priorities out of order. Is it these folks don't believe in the Trinity?
---kathr4453 on 5/10/21


.......THE HOPE OF GLORY, is superior to the law written in your heart..
.....beyond your wildest imagination.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/21

Exactly true. You and your apostle wildest imaginations. Doctrines unsupported from Genesis to Revelations.

Heb 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, write them in their hearts: I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

That fact that the forbidden attempts to teach.... those that dont need your teaching is a revealing mark.
---Trav on 5/10/21


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David:

Nice theory, but it doesn't work in practice. For 2000 thousand years, Christianity has been the dominant religion in Europe and colonized areas (Americas, Australia, most of Africa). Despite this, those had much religious-inspired/justified violence - Inquisition, burning heretics, Irish sectarianism, slavery, slaughter and pillaging of Native Americans, etc.

Today, we have scandals about priests abusing children and preachers caught in child trafficking, adultery, affairs with pool boys, etc.

These are evidence they don't have the law in their hearts, and those who unquestioningly follow them obviously don't either.
---StrongAxe on 5/10/21


The big question is, what are "those days" and when is "after those days"? .---StrongAxe

StrongAxe
(Those days) is in reference to when they were under the Old Covenant Law of Moses. (After those days) refers to being under the New Covenant. Under the New Covenant we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, who will teach us the truth. The Truth which is taught through our conscience.

If you read (1 Corinthians 2) Paul explains what the Holy Spirit does for the believer. Paul uses that infamous word, Mystery, in this teaching. Which simply means, the New Covenant is a mystery for those who have not received this gift from God.

Better yet...do a study of the word, conscience, in the bible.
---David on 5/10/21


Christ IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY, is superior to the law written in your heart. The law written in your heart is not conforming you to the image of Jesus Christ. Jesus is SO MUCH MORE than the law, and why Paul explained this in Galatians 2:20-21. The LAW can't raise you from the dead, seat you in heavenly places IN CHRIST. It doesn't give you the WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS. The very person of CHRIST IN YOU and YOU IN CHRIST is beyond your wildest imagination. It's a life, relationship we have that brings us right to THE FATHER. There are no secret names or code words for God.

The LAW cannot OVERCOME the evil one. It can't take you ABOVE POWERS AND PRINCIPALITIES RE: SATANS DOMAIN. It's all in Ephesians.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/21


David I believe scripture teaches we live AFTER THE CROSS Where we now live IN CHRIST a place far superior than just having something written on the heart. Scripture teaches JESUS IS THE END OF THE LAW FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS To everyone that believeth.. Romans 10:4. But you don't believe in the NT do you David? Jesus also said THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

David, you spend far too much time here condemning people .. who may not know better or who they are IN CHRIST. Those of us who do are secure IN CHRIST. WE know all the blessings we have "in Christ"... Nothing can separate us from the Love of God IN CHRIST JESUS.
---kathr4453 on 5/9/21


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//So since you use his name as a JW, than [sic] you must be one of the 144,000 that are 'seal' [sic], right?//- Ruben.

You need to be more concerned about what you are doing with God's name! Do you think by removing God's name [YHWH] from your Bibles all 6973 times qualifies you to be with 'the Lamb'?

As Rev.14:1 says, the 144,000 have "the name of the Father written on their foreheads"... a name which trinitarians have deceitfully deleted.

Jesus said in prayer to his Father, "I have manifested thy name..." (John 17:6 KJV) Are you following Christ by "manifesting" God's name? If you think removing God's name qualifies you to be 'sealed' and with 'the Lamb' in heaven, then crack on!
---David8318 on 5/9/21


David:

You qouted Hebrews 10:16. The big question is, what are "those days" and when is "after those days"? It certainly hasn't happened yet, because right now everyone learns the Law and Gospel by hearing and reading - they don't automatically know it by having it "written on their hearts". There is no group of people today like that. Nobody today believes from birth. Nobody has the Law from birth. They learn both in time as they grow up.

The Ten Commandments was written on stone tablets, and the Law of Moses was written on scrolls. Both require learning by reading or hearing.
---StrongAxe on 5/8/21


But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed and keep all My statutes and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live: he shall not die.
(Ezekiel 18:21)


David is comparing apples to oranges ---kathr4453 on 5/8/21


Is she right...or is she wrong?
After all, Ezekiel was a prophet in the Old Testament. Many people, like Kathrine, believe Old Testament prophecies are not relative to the New Testament.

These doctrines quote these Old Testament prophets, when its applicable to their doctrines, but refute those same prophets when they show their doctrines false. Ezekiels prophecy is talking about Eternal Life, was Eternal Life offered under the Law of Moses?
---David on 5/9/21


"The Truth"- strongaxe

Well as strongaxe has not said anything truthfull about JW's, and in fact lies with impunity, it's a bit rich for strongaxe to be the arbiter of what is "Truth". But strongaxe is in the right place to expose himself as the liar he is.

Given the devastation brought by trinitartians on humankind, strongaxe criticism of JW's is wholly underwhelming. Both World Wars fought in the last century were started and supported by the trinitarian cult outfit- the RCC- who murdered people on an industrial scale.

How does strongaxe justify that?

Strongaxe diatribe against JW's pails into insignificance when compared to the devastation wrought by his corrupt religious belief system.
---David8318 on 5/9/21


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Ruben:

An extremely ironic thing about JWs is they claim to be the only people on earth with "The Truth" (their name for the Word of God). They keep making predictions about the end of the world, that always fail to come true. Instead of admitting their errors, and the fact they might be just as fallible as everyone else, they just quietly revise their literature and stop publishing the old stuff and pretend it never happened. Their deception is so strong, they consider THEIR OWN LITERATURE from 50 years ago to be dangerous and subversive - and merely possessing it can be grounds for a member to be disfellowshipped! What legitimate church does that?

David8318: How do you justify that?
---StrongAxe on 5/8/21


David is comparing apples to oranges. One must be SAVED FIRST in order to have these written in the heart. 2/3 of Jews will die in rebellion during the Great Tribulation so only 1/3 will realize that promise when ALL OF Ezekiel 36 also will be fulfilled with the New Covenant. The everlasting Covenant is about SALVATION, the one Abel, Noah Etc were under wasn't the Old or New, are now the spirits if JUST MEN MADE PERFECT.... just as Hebrews 11 clearly state. Their perfection came when Jesus rose from the dead.

Trav doctrine rejects REAL GENTILES offered SALVATION and continues posting promises to EARTHLY ISRAEL THE NATION, if anyone here is paying attention. His is not the GOSPEL. The Gospel is clearly defined in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
---kathr4453 on 5/8/21


This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them, (Hebrews 10:16)

Notice in the verse above, God says he will put his Laws in our minds and write them on our hearts. This is not the first time God has written his Laws down. Wasnt the Law of Moses....also written down???

Were the children of Israel under the Law which was written down for them? If they were under the written Law, doesnt it make sense, the believer is under that Law which God has written down for them?

Dont believe me?
Who do you trust more, Kathrine, or one of the Lords prophets?..(Ezekiel 18:21)
---David on 5/8/21


Gal 3:17.... the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, ....
I know its difficult to understand, but THIS COVENANT WAS MADE And Confirmed OF GOD IN CHRIST, ...
---kathr4453 on 5/7/21

So difficult that you do not understand it but, continue to distort anyway.
Context is Israel.
Only Israel had the law.
Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed US (Israel) from the curse of the law, .....

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. .....

Gal 3:24Wherefore the law was OUR (Israels) schoolmaster to bring US (Israel) unto Christ, that WE (Israel) might be justified by faith


Heb 8:10.....I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:
---Trav on 5/8/21


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Ah... but the JW's and the 144,000 both use God's name!

"Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Fathers name written on their foreheads"- Rev.14:1 (NIV).

What is the name of Jesus' Father?

"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth"- Psalms 83:18 (KJV of 1611).

The 144,000 are "sealed" because they use and worship Jesus' Father... Jehovah God!


---David8318 on 5/6/21


So since you use his name as a JW, than you must be one of the 144,000 that are 'seal', right?
---Ruben on 5/8/21


Gal 3:17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

I know its difficult to understand, but THIS COVENANT WAS MADE And Confirmed OF GOD IN CHRIST, before the foundation of the world, is not done away.

It's not the Old Covenant, it's not the New Covenant. The New Covenant REPLACED the Old Covenant...it NEVER replaced the EVERLASTING COVENANT, which is about Jesus Christ....not Jews or a 10N house. THIS COVENANT is the one Paul brings to the Gentiles, THOSE NOT JEWS OR 10N House...but heathans, barbarians, Greeks, AND JEWS in THIS DISPENSATION OF THE CHURCH AGE.
---kathr4453 on 5/7/21


Yes thank you Lord you have not forgotten your chosen ISRAEL And all those promises you will absolutely keep concerning THE NATION, when the Father has in His own time chosen to restore, and THANK YOU LORD JESUS for dying on the cross for our sin and rising again for our justification. Thank you that whosoever will, Jew and Gentile, who have put their trust in you are going to be Glorified together with you, that you would share your Glory with us as members of YOUR BODY.. THE CHURCH. And the things you have in store for us.. eye has not seen or heard. That we don't know what we will be but we know we will be like you, for we will see you as you are.... Promised to the Church, not earthly Israel the Nation.
---kathr4453 on 5/6/21


God gave Jesus a new covenant to all who would believe in him.
And since they do not keep the New Law, they do not have the Truth.
---David on 5/6/21
They dont have laws in written in the heart/ mind, period. Learned, adopted some. Heb 8:10
It would be great to explain away the behavior of some. But, if one is honest to scripture and himself truths emerge. The New Covenant / NT Christ came to his own Judah, they refused. He sent Apostles to the Lost Sheep Sth House of 10. These Israels scriptures, OT and NT are to one people Israel.
Note first Heb 8:8. Two parties one people/family. Note words like brethren 229 times in NT. Find the 8 different Heb words for stranger, and 10 in the New Testament. Light.
---Trav on 5/6/21


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All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth, unto them that keep His covenant and His testimonies.
(Psalm 25:10)


God has made covenants with a few folks throughout time, most notably was the covenant God made with Moses. When you read the Old Testament, it is very clear, a covenant is Gods Law.

God gave Moses a covenant to give to the children of Israel, and God gave Jesus a new covenant to all who would believe in him. However the sticking point in the covenant God gave Jesus, is...Though many know they are under the New Covenant, they do not believe they are under the New law of God.

And since they do not keep the New Law, they do not have the Truth.
---David on 5/6/21


Heavenly Father...... As far as the Church is concerned our genealogy doesn't matter, .....
In Jesus name AMEN
---kathr4453 on 5/5/21

Deu 27:18Cursed be he that maketh the blind to wander out of the way. And all the people shall say, Amen.

Deu 33:29Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, and who is the sword of thy excellency! and thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee, and thou shalt tread upon their high places.

1Ki 6:13And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel.

Thank You GOD....for All of Israel your servants....in whom all have been un- knowingly blessed.
---Trav on 5/6/21


Trav:

You wrote: Truth cannot abide untruth.... therefore I post scripture that offends you.

Where did you ever get the idea that any particular scripture offends me, including the Ten Talents? You, however appear to be offended by my referring to Acts 2:44.

Sodom and Gomorrah were very liberal. You almost come out and admitted you are too. 1Co 6:9...

I don't see any mention of "liberal" here. You are inserting words into scripture that are not there. Talk about twisting scripture! Pot. Kettle. Black.
---StrongAxe on 5/6/21


//These 144,000 are not the JW's either// kathr4453

Ah... but the JW's and the 144,000 both use God's name!

"Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Fathers name written on their foreheads"- Rev.14:1 (NIV).

What is the name of Jesus' Father?

"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth"- Psalms 83:18 (KJV of 1611).

The 144,000 are "sealed" because they use and worship Jesus' Father... Jehovah God!

Kathr4453 doesn't!
---David8318 on 5/6/21


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Heavenly Father, obedience to these verses some reject believing our genealogy matters. As far as the Church is concerned our genealogy doesn't matter, as the Gospel is offered to ALL SINNERS no matter who what when and where they came from.

Israel THE NATION, (after the Church is translated) GOD WILL KNOW WHO EVERY JEW IS and He alone will seal the 144,000. These 144,000 are not the JW's either.

1 Timothy 1:4Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law, for they are unprofitable and vain.

In Jesus name AMEN
---kathr4453 on 5/5/21


Trav:
The Bible mentions "liberal" many times, and always in a good way.

The early church "kept everything in common" - the epitome of socialism.
---StrongAxe on 5/4/21

Truth cannot abide untruth.... therefore I post scripture that offends you. Can see where parable of Ten Talents would offend a socialist. Mat 25:28Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
At least you are man-ing up a little, brave enough to twist scripture you didnt post, upholding newest definition of liberal socialism.
Let me post some to highlight your newfound liberal bravery. Sodom and Gomorrah were very liberal. You almost come out and admitted you are too.
1Co 6:9...
---Trav on 5/5/21


Many people believe that they see the truth, and then act on it. However, many are also focused on the truth that they see, that they ignore other truths that are just as important, and sometimes even more important.

Which particular truth are you seeing that you feel that it's important to act on?
---StrongAxe on 5/4/21


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