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Now it's easier to understand Trav nonsense, seeing there was no AMERICA when scripture was written, nor is AMERICA in any prophecy in scripture.

Finally smoked this wolf out of his den.

I would say there were many who joined themselves to Israel, including Moses wife who was Ethiopian. So God is not racist. We know Joseph married an Egyptian, who I believe is classified as NON WHITE as well.

I wonder if David is also racist, or how he feels about this new development.

But David and Trav would be BBF with the Devil if the Devil objected to Strongaxe and me.....hummmmmmm
---kathr4453 on 7/19/21

There is no evidence Strongaxe. Trav huffing and puffing is all hot air. He has no clue what he's talking about. He thinks if he posts this scripture or that, that is an answer. Half his posted scripture have nothing to do with the question. It's called DOUBLE TALK. He's not even good at it.

Trav is nothing more than a HACK, who openly admitted on another thread that Armstrongs racism was ok and then posts more scripture about Israell as if that PROVES WHITE EVANGELICAL NATIONALISM SUPREMACY in the USA is absolutely scriptural, I guess because Trav is promoting racism as well falsely using what was exclusively to that nation as now to the USA. Herein is the problem with this GOSPEL OF's straight from hell.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/21

There is NO evidence whatsoever .
---StrongAxe on 7/17/21

Exactly right - for you. And we are back where you claim Christ and the Apostles failed. Yet you have no evidence they failed.
The only failure here is your ability to accept they didnt. A real personal issue for you that reading, logic, false doctrine cant solve. You ask me? You ask the wrong party. I cant heal the blind or deaf spirit. The Bible tells who to ask. But you rely on you.

Christ came for the Lost Sheep he found them. The Apostles also. The New Covenant is in effect. Christ died putting it in effect.

Luk 24:45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
---Trav on 7/19/21

Acts 2: 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

In the gospels we also have Anna the prophetess of the tribe of Asher. Luke 2:36-38 who prophesied about Jesus at the Temple of Jerusalem.

James wrote to all 12 Tribes.

The other tribes did not become lost and become another nation. Jesus talks about the LOST SHEEP, not lost tribes. Saying the lost sheep are only those not Judah, Benjamin and Levi is a HUGE LEAP OF TWISTING SCRIPTURE. And many returned after the captivity obviously did ANNA and her family.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/21


I have no "doctrinal preference", just what scripture says, and does not say. SHOW your "evidence".

I NEVER refused to admit that there were 12 tribes or two houses. You keep twisting what I say into things I never said. What I *DID* say was that by the New Testament, the terms "Jews" was often used **by Jesus and the Apostles** as a synonym for all of Israel, because at that point, there were just three tribes together (Judah, Benjamin, and Levi), and the other 9 had disappeared without a trace after the Babylonian exile, and those three tribes were all that were left.

There is NO evidence whatsoever that the northern tribes somehow magically re-surfaced as some other nation.
---StrongAxe on 7/17/21

Trav:What evidence do you have that ANY of the northern tribes accepted Christ?
---StrongAxe on 7/14/21

Deduction Watson deduction.
Evidence. None that you have, can or will recognize with your doctrinal blinders. Mths ago You didnt even realize or admit there were 12 tribes, or two houses. You pretended or thought Judah equals all of Israel.

For Sheep I will point again and again.
GOD chose a people Israel for specific reasons. Ive posted the specific scriptures.
I started with Heb 8:8-10. Specific. Israel is noted over 6,000 times. Israel starts in Gen and finalizes in Rev. Hard Sheep to find in the world but becomes real easy in scripture.
---Trav on 7/17/21

I showed you the Samaritan's who are NOT JUDAH don't believe..
---kathr4454 on 7/14/21

Dusted is my term for you. Youve only shown disobedience to scripture and the total darkness of misunderstanding. Wearing your doctrinal cloak of holes like a fine robe.
Joh 8:48Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
Joh 8:49Jesus answered, I have not a devil, but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

Samaritan woman.
Joh 4:12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
---Trav on 7/17/21

Trav, there is no 1/10 of this or that.

TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION. PERIOD 100% of the truth along with ALL PROMISES to Israel, Nth House Judah whatever. James and Peter write to all 12 Tribes consisting of ALL ISRAEL including Judah . And not one epistle from any NT authors single out Judah. Not even Paul in Romans 9-11.

We are now AFTER THE CROSS TRAV. ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALLEN SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. It's YOU telling only 1/10th if the truth. My truths include yours AND THEN SOME. I have never excluded any of your truths about Israel. I'm saying that the promises are only realized in those WHOS FAITH IS IN JESUS CHRIST FIRST.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/21

You keep making that comment Trav about Judah today, with no scriptural support. Show where only Judah is left to believe. I showed you the Samaritan's who are NOT JUDAH don't believe.

You rant and rave falsely accusing those who just don't swallow your false doctrine. Today no one knows if the came from Judah or not. So even that you can't prove.

Just post scripture using your alloted 125 backing up your theory. Your scriptures insulting those who call you out are not supporting your theories. So lame. And so childish.

So far you have proved nothing you just posted.

So prove over the past 2000 years Judah still remains to be saved.
---kathr4454 on 7/14/21


You wrote: Judah refused Christ1/12.
The Nth House composed of Ten accepted.

And what is your scriptural evidence for this? Yes, the MAJORITY of Judah rejected Jesus (and that also included Benjamin, who stuck with Judah, and also Levi, who were the priesthood, who did also), but there was a remnant of them who DID accept Jesus (i.e. all of Jesus's disciples, and a few pharisees like Nicodemus).

But what evidence do you have that ANY of the northern tribes accepted Christ?
---StrongAxe on 7/14/21

Like I have been saying.. ISRAEL AS A WHOLE do not believe in Jesus..
---kathr4453 on 7/13/21

You only understand 1/10th of anything scriptural.
Judah refused Christ1/12.
The Nth House composed of Ten accepted. Judah never equated or equates to all of Israel. Your indoctrination on this blinds to to understanding anything scriptural. You embarrass yourself and dont recognize it, trying be something you were never equipped or authorized to be,do, see or teach.
You lied twice again and are a false witness. No shame.

Psa 120:3What shall be given unto thee? or what shall be done unto thee, thou false tongue?

Pro 25:14Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.
---Trav on 7/13/21

James 2:1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

Ok Trav, Here James clarifies those of the 12 tribes he is writing to....


Also you may want to read the beginning of 1st and 2nd Peter, letters also written to the Jewish "believers " ....and goes so much deeper. Actually you need to read ALL OF 1st and 2nd Peter. My two favorite letters. I especially love 2nd Peter ch 1....

John 3:36 out of JESUS OWN MOUTH is where you need to start your foundation.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/21

Trav I have shown over and over you only tell 1/2 THE TRUTH.

and if I'm telling the part about one having to put their faith in Jesus Christ FIRST in order to be a recepient of the New Covenant.... Tell us all why you are having temper tantrums ... It makes no sense. Like I have been saying.. ISRAEL AS A WHOLE do not believe in Jesus... As you well stated yourself. Therefore they are NOT UNDER THE NEW COVENANT until that happens.

To teach anything else is a lie.
---kathr4453 on 7/13/21

You post about Israel, not Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/21

They are connected. I post the connection.You dodge left, right, jump, twirl, run but, no one is chasing you. Well, except scripture.
Words like for ever, everlasting, New Covenant extinguish ever little fire you start.
You cant and wont see past your 1800 AD doctrines so I post to those that will do their due diligence, who fear GOD, listen to the prophets, Christ and Apostles. Verifying like the men and women of Berea.

Jas 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
---Trav on 7/13/21

You post about Israel, not Jesus Christ.

Where is your post leading up to the New Covenant. Try Hebrews 10....a perfect start. You never go there. That's about JESUS CHRIST, and HIS BLOOD SHED for our sin, not land.

If you say today's Samaratians are under the NEW Covenant while they still practice animal've never read ALL of Hebrews 10. There is no more sacrifice for sin. JESUS PAID IT ALL. And what they are doing is trampling Jesus under foot, insulting the spirit of Grace and considers the Blood of the Covenant RE JESUS BLOOD a common thing....and will face the vengeance of God.

You need to tell THAT TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/21

Trav, ive never seen one post you have posted on Jesus Christ.

---kathr4453 on 7/11/2

Thats right, you have seen hundreds, beginning with my posts looking for the same thing my Lord did and does.
And the Covenant and people Israel, he gave his life to redeem. REDEEM / ex-ag-or-ad'-zo / Exagoradzo= to buy up, that is, ransom, figuratively to rescue from loss

Mat 15:24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Heb 8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Two pearls above you trample and rend showing your true witness.
---Trav on 7/12/21

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Trav, ive never seen one post you have posted on Jesus Christ. You have placed the promises to earthly Israel OVER AND ABOVE Jesus Christ every time you try to bash me here online. Now you want to PRETEND you have all along and I'm just realizing this. FIBBLE STICKS...

When you finally get exposed as SCRIPTURE I HAVE POSTED HAS EXPOSED YOU, you now pretend you exalt JESUS OVER ISRAEL.

We all can see the truth in that. You have not. You don't even know what the testimony of Jesus is.

You really are a troll here aren't you?

Those who still preform animal sacrifices do not believe in Jesus Trav...... Get a grip. That alone exposes your nonsense here. You can't hide from that one.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/21

Jesus is THE SAVIOR/ Redeemer.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/21

Ive been posting scripture on this for years. You finally figured one important part out. Good girl. (Pause for Applause)
Psa 130:8And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

Gal 4:5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Tit 2:14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Peculiar isnt it.

Psa 135:4For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
---Trav on 7/11/21

Trav, Hebrews 10 clearly states A NEW AND LIVING WAY THROUGH THE VEIL THAT IS TO SAY HIS FLESH...Aka. I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST...this is THE ONLY WAY you refuse to acknowledge or believe.....but the only way SCRIPTURE CLEARLY STATES. And a warning to those who have trampled underfoot the Son of God and insulted the Spirit of Grace.

Jesus said I AM THE RESURRECTION AND Trav, if you deny are the one climbing over another way....

You are a SINNER...period. Jesus is THE SAVIOR/ Redeemer.

All PROMISES are founded in Genesis 3:15... Even Israel's. You can't just pick out promises without its foundation JESUS CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/21

Trav, if you had any brains

Plus you already admitted you don't believe in mainstream Christianity

We call this heresy.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/21

Because of my Lord. I am happy and have peace in truth not being part of your wide road mainstream doctrines. I dont have to climb in another way. Your ladder is missing all major scriptural rungs.

Yeah Israels scripture I post is Heresy, ha. I remember being indocd in your whirlpool of milk confusion.
You want it your way . it is why doesnt and wont ever work out for ya.
Heb 5:13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

She in this case.
---Trav on 7/8/21

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Trav, if you had any brains you should be able to figure out the insult you threw at me backfired in your face.

But no matter what anyone says You resort to making up nonsense when confronted.
Plus you already admitted you don't believe in mainstream Christianity and that you are David...only a select few who have your own truths not in universal Balaam, the book of Israel...a creation of people or whatever you call them not of Adam and Eve. And so on. We call this heresy. False teachers etc.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/21

Ok Trav, you say Jeremiah 31:32 has come to pass....GREAT. So me being Jewish ...
---kathr4453 on 7/4/21

Here again you are stating things unsaid by me. What alarmed you was scripture that verified scripture. Proof, witnesses of GOD

Heb 9:15 for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Checkmate? This is not a game. But lost in reality is your false doctrines of men.

If you were jewish but you've proven you are not knowing your own scripture.
---Trav on 7/7/21

Ok Trav, you say Jeremiah 31:32 has come to pass....GREAT. So me being Jewish I HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, and you being none of them do not. So now who do these verses you hurled at another really apply to? YOU. Too funny.

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Seeing you are from the bondwoman it appears you are the your own doctrine. And you being void of the Holy Spirit disqualifies you from teaching anyone.


---kathr4453 on 7/4/21

Trav does keep moving the goal post,
---kathr4453 on 6/29/21

But, you are running for the wrong goal post, it just appears to be getting farther away.
It would help if you had a ball but then what is a fake coach doing on the field in the first place!
Security, security!
Please remove this fake coach from the field. Burning up precious minutes here.

Pro 25:14Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain.
---Trav on 7/2/21

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I don't represent all Christians, and I don't arrogantly think that I do. However, I AM fairly aware of the major concensus among large groups of Christians worldwide, about certain basic and fundamental points of doctrine and theology that are universally shared among Christians worldwide.

These include the idea that the Flood was worldwide, that all humans are descended from Adam, and that God made a covenant originally only with Israel, but later, through Jesus, with anyone from any nation that would accept him.

These seem to be points among which you seem to differ from the majority of Christians on the planet.
---StrongAxe on 7/3/21

Trav does keep moving the goal post, and shows he does not comprehend the conversation at hand. No one is arguing Israel is Gods chosen people, that there are STILL FUTURE promises to yet be fulfilled to Israel the NATION.

What Trav hates is that Gentiles ...Those not Israel or the 12 Tribes etc are also offered salvation. That is the bottom line. His doctrine excludes sinners. All CULTS EXCLUDE this one or that one...and only include THEM.....JW's, Mormons, Calvinist's....all the same ol same ol .....

Jesus died for the SIN OF THE WHOLE WORLD. Salvation is offered to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE. And it will never interfere with God fulfilling His FUTURE PROMISES to the Nation of Israel.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/21

Luk 24:25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
---Trav on 6/27/21

Yes and I was pointing out to Trav, the Jews Jesus was talking to didn't believe the prophets. The Prophets that spoke of HIM JESUS. Same thing as John 8.

I don't see where Strongaxe doesn't believe the Prophets concerning Jesus Christ, but the opposite. To use a verse Jesus was rebuking Israel for, and as I've pointed out to Trav over and over seems silly Trav would use as a verse to assault Strongaxe. Trav simply does not understand what he reads.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/21

Trav has such an arrogant tongue.

I'd watch that mouth Trav.....
---kathr4453 on 6/28/21

jewish female teachers like yourself . some know some scripture. Just not what it means of who it is too.
Lets start over.
Jas 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
2Sa 7:24For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, LORD, art become their God.

Psa 33:12Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
Psa 105:10And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:
---Trav on 6/29/21

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Poor Trav, thinks the second coming has come and gone...stating all prophecy has been fulfilled. He also mistakenly claims all of Revelation has come and gone. YIKES. So when did the great white throne judgement happen?

Trav has such an arrogant tongue, one James exposes in his epistle, where Trav disobeys even James...

No Trav, there are more prophecies yet to come....and THAT is where you fall into heresy.

Matthew 24-25 have not come to pass. JESUS IS NOT PHYSICALLY RULING ON EARTH, Satan has not been bound.. There has been no PEACE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

Isaiah 14 has not come to pass.

I'd watch that mouth Trav.....
---kathr4453 on 6/28/21

Yet you arrogantly assume that YOU are right, while all the other Christians in the world are wrong.
Such thinking is the basis of every cult -.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/21

I assume nothing I know all prophets and Christ were sent by GOD to Israel, for Israel. I post All the prophets who agree with one another. Christ fulfilled them.
Those who go against them have no understanding.

You dont represent all Christians. but, arrogantly think you do? Ha.
You assume you are right? Ha again.
Skip along with the wide way cult.
Pat yourself on the back. I wont.

Luk 24:25Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
---Trav on 6/27/21

Job 19:25-26
25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Job was before any Law of Moses. Job was not a Jew, no mention of keeping the sabbath, Jewish Holy Days, any Temples or priests, keeping any laws...and looks like by Job 42-16-17 he lived to be about 240 years. JOB LIVED BY FAITH. HE SACRIFICED FOR SIN, JUST AS ABEL DID that looked forward to the Cross.

Yet he knew about and had faith in THE REDEEMER promised in Genesis 3:15. AKA SALVATION.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/21


You wrote: I agree that scripture I post say the opposite of what mens doctrines teach these days. Wide is the way. everyone likes a freeway.

Yet you arrogantly assume that YOU are right, while all the other Christians in the world are wrong. This is what "private interpretation" means - one person interpreting it differently and thinking THEY alone got it right.

Such thinking is the basis of every cult - someone who thinks they have some private revelation or interpretation that others lack, and they alone possess the "truth" - and the gullible people who follow them.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/21

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Strongaxe, Trav plops down verses like the one in Kings...before they were dispersed...taking out of context here.


Trav seems to think too that there are different rules for different people. All the Apostles preach a Gospel built upon the Prophets as well as Jesus revealing more to them. Trav uses James , but interestingly James only addresses 12 Tribes...not 13 or 14...debunking ALL OF TRAV bogus cult teachings. Plus James never teaches what Trav is teaching here. What's funny is Trav doesn't even know it.

James never once says Nth House either.....
Trav thinks he's included in the 13th tribe .....JAMES excludes him ....
---kathr4453 on 6/27/21

"yet many of your interpretations of scripture seem to go against what the majority of Christians worldwide believe.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/21

I agree that scripture I post say the opposite of what mens doctrines teach these days. Wide is the way. everyone likes a freeway.
Appreciate you using the word seem.
Israel has too many references not to leave the subject open.

Isa 28:10For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and there a little:
Rom 9:4Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,
---Trav on 6/27/21


You wrote: kathr doesn't "go against" the Apostles, or what they say, just against your own personal incorrect interpretations of them. "No scripture if of private interpretation", yet many of your interpretations of scripture seem to go against what the majority of Christians worldwide believe.
---StrongAxe on 6/27/21

Israel wasn't "ALL NATIONS" , . like Trav insists,.
---kathr4453 on 6/25/21

Whoa, woe, woe. I post prophets that might be insisting to ya but , Trav just points.
If ya don't activate your high strength spirit peepers on you just cant see em.
Divorced (10) of Israel were scattered amongst all nations. Still are. If you were really Judaic, they would be your lost and found sheep cousins.
Jer 31:10.He that scattered Israel will gather him, keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
Joh 11:52., but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
Jas 1:1James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
---Trav on 6/27/21

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David, The NEW Covenant replaced the Old Covenant. However the Abrahamic Covenant AKA the Everlasting Covenant was made with Abraham 430 years before the Old Covenant and was not ANNULLED EVER. ....Just as Paul states in Galatians 3:17. So let's do basic common sense math here. The Covenant Paul is talking about in Ephesians and Galatians is The EVERLASTING COVENANT. Hebrews 13:20-21

But if you actually read my posts , you would have known I've told you this more than once.

Take it or leave it.....but I BELIEVE IT, AND THATS THAT. Just read Galatians David. It's time you started feeding yourself and stop changing the subject thinking you are catching me is some lie.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/21

Yes David The New Covenant was prophecied in the OT. And the New Covenant in Jesus Blood became activated when Jesus rose from the dead.

But the GOSPEL OF SALVATION was in affect long before the New Covenant . Noah, Abel, etc were not saved by the New Covenant, but by the EVERLASTING COVENANT, revealed to Abraham. God didn't reveal a NEW Covenant to Abraham when the OLD COVENANT to Moses / Israel hadn't even come into affect.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/21

Trav is not speaking for God, .
---kathr4453 on 6/24/21

Scriptures I post rattle you as you evidence in your false accusations. By Which you bless me without realizing.
I dont speak for GOD. his prophets do that I post. When you go against them and the Apostles as you have and are. you express no fear. even of GOD. Your own words are posted for eternity. All see that it is mostly misunderstanding, fear and hardness of heart. I look past / over this. May GOD as well.
Mat 15:9..teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
1Ki 6:13 I will dwell among the children of Israel, will not forsake my people Israel.
Psa 25:14The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him, and he will shew them his covenant.
---Trav on 6/26/21

For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. (John 1:17)

Its not what you believe, but what the Bible says. And according to the bible, The New Covenant of Grace and Truth, came by?

A. Jesus
B. Noah
C. David
D. Abraham
E. Moses
---David on 6/26/21

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The Gospel:
First stated Genesis 3:15
NEXT: Isaac has Jacob and Easu...God chooses Jacob to become ISRAEL, where this SAME PROMISE OF THE REDEEMER will come through the Tribe of Judah

Next...OT PROPHECY ISAIAH 9:6. He will come from the Seed of David .... Mary was the virgin of the tribe of Judah of the seed of David. Isaiah 7:14, Gen 3:15 confirmed in the 4 Gospels, continues in ROMANS 10:4-21

Acts 13 AGAIN REITERATE, as does Roman's 1:1-17. As does Rev 22:16, Gal 3:16.

Job 19:25-27 ...Job's own testimony of knowing the Gospel....the only redeemer is Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 6/26/21

Galatians 3:8
And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith,preached before THE GOSPEL unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

So again, the Gospel, this very same Gospel was preached to ABRAHAM shall all nations be blessed. Now to also point out, Israel wasn't "ALL NATIONS" , at that time God preached the GOSPEL TO ABRAHAM, like Trav insists,but the Greeks and barbarians, as Paul reiterates in Romans 1:1-17. See vs 14, which includes David...David should be thankful for......UNLESS HE IS TRAV who denies salvation to the Greek, barbarian and heathen.
---kathr4453 on 6/25/21

Still stalking me David? Ok just as Paul stated in Romans 1:1-17, we see the Gospel of God expands more than just the 4 Gospels. It began in Genesis 3:15. You misappropriated a verse and said it was exclusively in only the 4 Gospels beginning there. I argued THAT STATEMENT FROM YOU.

None of the Gospels according to Matthew Mark Luke and John contradict Romans 1:1-17.

But again, you didn't show my exact words saying I don't believe Matthew Mark Luke and John are not the Gospel. Because I never made such a statement.

The Gospel is built upon the PROPHETS AND APOSTLES. Ephesians 2:20. Not just Matthew Mark Luke and John.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/21

I've never said the 4 Gospels are not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I would like to see that posted with a time date keeping David honest here. ---kathr4453 on 6/22/21

Posted on the How Can We Sin,Blog.
Jesus came to FULFILL THE OT prophecy about Himself, not start ANOTHER GOSPEL.---kathr4453 on 2/13/21
---David on 6/24/21

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Strongaxe, exactly. Totally agree. Trav is not speaking for God, but for himself. And those who claim they are speaking for God using scripture out of context to assault another as if God Himself was striking them down, is taking Gods name in vain. If they think it has power in it IT IS WITCHCRAFT.

Misusing the LIVING WORD OF GOD , MISHANDLING GOD, Is what those are doing who also misapply the truth of the Word. They abuse all the way around. They can't use truth as their shield, ....yet our only shield and ARMOUR IS THE TRUTH. ... Ephesians 6:11-18 not our fleshly fists and then pretend it came from God. YIKES.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/21


Names convey authority. Doing something "in the name of the King" meant you were invoking the king's authority. Using a name in vain is when you invoke authority without having the right to do so.

E.g. "I swear I didn't take those cookies" or "I swear I will do this", or "I swear to uphold the Law" - and took the cookies, or fully intended NOT to keep promises, you falsely claim God's authority to give legitimacy to your words. This is false swearing (as in oaths, not as vulgarity).

It's exactly the same when a prophet says "God told me xyz" or a preacher says "God condemns you" etc. when he did no such thing.
---StrongAxe on 6/23/21

Many people think taking God's name in vain is cursing. Taking God's name in vain is using God and His Word to assault others with. We are never to use scripture out of context for a PERSONAL ATTACK on anyone. This is actually called witchcraftAND TAKING GODS NAME IN VAIN. And this is what Trav does here day and night. He thinks he needs to assault others to defend his position on God's promises to the Nation of Israel, which no one has objected to except to show there is so much MORE than Trav limited verses. And of course saying Gentiles are really Jews... a total distortion showing he's never read Acts 10-11.

Trav cannot show one verse stating scattered Israel was forbidden to enter the home of other dispersed Jews.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/21

Trav is blowing his horn in the wind.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/21

Toot toot Israel hear your makers horn.
Gen 17:7I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen 17:19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed, and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.
Lev 20:26And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
---Trav on 6/22/21

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Trav, and exactly what do your verses have to do with soul sleep?

Again, showing confusion and misappropriating scripture relevant to the subject at hand, Trav either needs to lay off the booze , or get the mental health issues addressed.

Being angry all the time, spending long nights awake thinking up hateful jabs not relevant to these subjects is sad. Who has respect for that? Gods power does not speak through hate.

Trav is blowing his horn in the wind.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/21

r>So why do I need their witness? ..."FOOLS RUSH IN WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD". Proverbs 13:20
---kathr4453 on 6/21/21

More important would be Scriptural witnesses to Christians that fear the only GOD, his Prophets and Christ. These witnesses are against your false doctrines. Witnesses today rebuke your misunderstandings. You hear neither.
Love your use of scripture finally that is appropriate. Describes your homemade katr doctrine to a jot and tittle.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
---Trav on 6/22/21


You wrote: So many witnesses against her and no acknowledgement.

"So many witnesses" seems to imply that you're doing some counting, so let's count.

Which witnesses would those be, exactly? The ones I hear the complaining the loudest are you, David, and Jerry. How about others on this site? 220 think your comments have been helpful. 215 think jerry6529's have been. 139 think David's have been. 886 think Kathr's have been. 1583 think mine have been. Do the math.
---StrongAxe on 6/21/21

Ok so Trav also does not believe in eternal life. But I get that, because only God THROUGH JESUS CHRIST can give "eternal life". Our eternal life is stated in Colossians 3:1-4 and Hebrews 12.....SHOWING TWO WITNESSES HERE , as I don't need the witnesses of men...or SDA's soul sleep doctrine, or Trav nonsense either.

Neither Trav or Jerry have the witness of CHRIST IN THEM.....Where this eternal life is ETERNAL...

So why do I need their witness?

Trav loves to step in others mess the saying...."FOOLS RUSH IN WHERE ANGELS FEAR TO TREAD". Proverbs 13:20
---kathr4453 on 6/21/21

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katr: You argue against the Bible. I'll go with God's word over yours.
---jerry6593 on 6/13/21

Me too.

So many witnesses against her and no acknowledgement.

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Luk 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
---Trav on 6/20/21


Note that none of that has happened yet. All of those are prophecies of the Millennium:

Ezekiel 37:13: God has not yet opened their graves and brought them out of them.

:22 God has not yet made them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, no longer two kingdoms, under one king.

:28 Gentiles do not "know that God sanctifies Israel". God's sanctuary is not "in the midst of them for evermore" (the old temple was destroyed, so not "evermore", and a new one has not been built yet.)
---StrongAxe on 6/19/21

This is not about the New Covenant Trav. Pay attention.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/21

24 to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/21

New Covenant mentioned above is found- Hebrews 8:8-10.
Marching on to the whole truth.
Eze 37:13 ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

Eze 37:22And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel, and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Eze 37:28And the gentile shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 6/17/21

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Here is a picture of Heaven RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK. It appears not only God and Jesus and Angels are there, but the spirits of just men made perfect. They were made PERFECT when Jesus rose from the dead. AND THE CHURCH OF THE FIRST BORN.

Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come to MT SION ( aka heaven) and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, 23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
---kathr4453 on 6/17/21

The saying is sure and worthy of full acceptance. For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

1 Timothy 4:9,10
---JS1234 on 6/16/21

Here's a death we experience now, YET WE LIVE and will never face the second death.

ROMANS6: 6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. ( this has nothing to do with a physical death)

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more, death hath no more dominion over him.(OR THOSE IN CHRIST) 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
---kathr4453 on 6/16/21

Jerry, Humans are born as we live and breath ARE DEAD IN TRESSPASSES AND SIN.

We, those IN CHRIST will not face a second death because we chose our second death in our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life.

Colossians 3:1-4 clearly say WE AS WE SPEAK ARE DEAD ...and our life is hidden in God with Christ.

Romans 6 speaks of death as well....a death where we are still living and breathing.

Then there is deceased...meaning our physical body , not our soul, ceases to exist.

God created Angels with a spirit that cannot die, and man after His image with a SOUL that cannot become deceased.

Jesus soul did not become extinguished upon His crucifixion . So why do you think ours does?
---kathr4453 on 6/15/21

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katr: your "nuances" will get you lost.

---jerry6593 on 6/15/21

The ungodly shall stand in the final judgement as Rev clearly states and face A SECOND DEATH.

God judged Adam and Eve when they sinned, however God also covered them, ( animal skins ) representing the same covering SEE HEBREWS 10, until Jesus death and resurrection which did more than just cover year after year. Adam and Eve's faith in the promised redeemer saved them just as we who put our faith in Jesus Christ are SAVED TODAY.

Those ASLEEP IN THE LORD 1 Cor 15....

Rev 20:10 clearly say forever and forever. Hell was originally created for the fallen angels BEFORE TIME, BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD and is not subject to earths time clock.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/21

Jerry are you saying Revelation is not God's word?

Like I said DEAD DEATH ETC has different nuances in scripture.

I'll take God's word too.
---kathr4453 on 6/13/21

Isaiah 60:20 - Thy sun shall no more go down, neither shall thy moon withdraw it self: For the Lord shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy morning shall be ended,

( At the end of time the Celestial clock has stop, Does it still go on in lake of fire ? - Revelation 20:10 )

( When were Adam and Eve Judge By God ?)

A. Immediately
B . At the end of time

Psalms 30:3 - O Lord, thou hast Brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, That I should not go down to the pit.
---RichardC on 6/13/21

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Revelation 10:6 - And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, Who created heaven. and the thing that therein are, and Earth and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, That there should be time no more,

Hebrews 9:27 - As it is appointed unto men once to die, But after this the judgment :

Psalms 1:5 - Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous .

Genesis 3:11 - And he said, Who told thee that thou was naked ? Hast thou eaten of the tree Whereof I commanded you not to eat,
---RichardC on 6/12/21

katr: You argue against the Bible. I'll go with God's word over yours.

---jerry6593 on 6/13/21

Roman's 7: 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.

That's why in Romans 8 it states those who walk now in the spirit don't give way to the flesh.

Romans 7 is reiterating Romans 6..... Jesus Christ has delivered us from the body of this death by our identification with Him in death and resurrection life....I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST. YET that experience, David denies over and over...yet claims to have this same experience in Romans 7, promoting sinless perfection, which says no such thing. Or claims to have THIS EXPERIENCE without first being born again.
---kathr4453 on 6/13/21

Revelation 20: 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, .....

10 ...... and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God, and the books were opened:and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books,...

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: ...

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/21

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Ecclesiastes 9:5 - For the living know that they shall die: But the dead know not any thing,Neither have any more a reward: For the memory of them is forgotten.

Isaiah 26:14 - They are dead, They shall not live: they are deceased, They shall not rise : Therefore hast visited them and destroyed them, and made all memory to perish,

John 3:36 -He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life , and he who believeth not the Son shall not see life: but the wrath of God abideth on him,
---RichardC on 6/11/21

Jerry, the word die, dead, death in scripture have many meanings. Death for one is defined in scripture as being separated from God. We see in Luke the story of Abraham and Lazarus, Those dead physically, but their souls having gone to two different places...the righteous dead to Abraham's bosom, and the unrighteous dead to Hades, Sheol or let's say NOT ABRAHAMS BOSOM. They are aware of their surroundings, sufferings talking to one another. In parables Jerry REAL PEOPLE WITH REAL NAMES ARE NEVER USED. ...Acts 2:27-31.... you can't leave something that ceases to exist.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/21

katr: "It's true that our soul never dies, so our soul is eternal."


Eze 18:4 ... the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 WHO ONLY HATH IMMORTALITY, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto, whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

---jerry_6593 on 6/9/21

Theresa, there is eternal damnation too. Matthew 25:41-46.

So some will go into eternal damnation, and others into eternal life. So in scripture " eternal LIFE " means being saved from eternal damnation. So no, the damned are not given eternal life too. It's true that our soul never dies, so our soul is eternal. But it's where the soul ends up that matters. Eternal life means heaven, eternal damnation means hell. I believe scripture supports this definition.

John 3:16 for one...
---kathr4453 on 6/3/21

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1 Peter 4:18 - And the righteous scarcely be saved, Where shall the ungodly and sinner appear.

Mathew 7:13 - Enter ye the strait gate, For wide is the gate, and board is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Mathew 7:14 - Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leaders to life , And few there find it,

Luke 13:24 - Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many,I say unto you, will seek to enter in , and shall not be able.
---RichardC on 6/2/21

John 8:51 - Verily verily, I say unto you , If you keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Ezekiel 18:21 - But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep my statutes , and do that is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were case into the lake fire, This is the second death.

Mathew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, But are not able to kill the soul : But rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell,
---Richardc on 6/1/21

Therese, good point.

Jesus came I to the world to save the human race. I am quite sure he will accomplish that completely.

"Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out, and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself.

John 12:31,32
---JS1234 on 5/31/21

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