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Trav, The second coming of Christ has not been fulfilled. Isaiah 14 and Zechariah 14 have not been fulfilled. Jesus has not reigned ON EARTH for 1000 years YET, still future. The First resurrection has not been fulfilled with Jesus 1000 year reign to immediately follow. Satan has never been bound as of yet.

One day EVERY KNEE will bow and confess Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of the Father...STILL FUTUTE PROPHECY CONCERNING JESUS. Jesus is also head of THE NEW CREATION! Still future. So NO ALL prophecies concerning Jesus have not happened. Jesus has not taken the Throne of David....still FUTURE concerning Israel THE NATION.

Seeing things not there is a mental issue.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/21


The Samaritans you say are the Nth House are still practicing animal sacrifices, then they have not come in...
---kathr4453 on 7/10/21

1Ti 2:11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection

Silence is a void. Tim commands you to use it. But you might learn something. Nah. Disobedient is a choice that matches your doctrines, of men.

Joh 4:9Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
Joh 4:12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
---Trav on 7/11/21


Trav:

You wrote: Christ fulfilled everything Moses, Psalms and Prophets said about him.

Not all of it. Some of those prophecies are still in the future, e.g. Jesus reigning over Israel.

Jesus himself spoke of his own later return, his second coming, when all those later prophecies would be fulfilled. The Jews rejected him because they did not see this. They expected him to fulfill all the prophecies NOW, and when he didn't, they assumed it was because he was a false prophet.
---StrongAxe on 7/11/21


So in fact Trav, it is yet future.
If it's in the Bible, let's see it. I'll decide for myself if I can see it or not.
---Samuel on 7/9/21

Well me, you, them do not decide if we can see or hear. GOD and Christ decides.

Christ fulfilled everything Moses, Psalms and Prophets said about him.

Luk 24:44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Their argument is with scripture the prophets. Not me. I point to scripture. Their doctrines of men do not, and cannot agree.
---Trav on 7/9/21


The Samaritans you say are the Nth House are still practicing animal sacrifices, then they have not come in... Hebrews 10 is the New Covenant they have rejected. So yes Samuel sees this correctly....nothing yet has been fulfilled ...and ALL IS still FUTURE.

Samuel, I don't think Trav understands his own cult. He just repeats things even a wooden puppet can do. Actually having an understanding of what he says is clearly lacking. He bites , curses, stompes at the very thing he himself states, and then the next day contradicts himself FORGETTING what he said before.

When I see that, I have to wonder what is going on behind the scene. James says a double minded man is unstable in all their ways .
---kathr4453 on 7/10/21




Trav, the warning in Hebrews 4 do not break down tribes, as all over 20 from EVERY TRIBE died in their sin in the wilderness. And TODAY, no one knows what tribe one comes from. We see in Rev GOD has sealed 12,000 from EVERY TRIBE, and Judah is not excluded.

Jesus said I AM THE RESURRECTION AND LIFE. So it doesn't matter what TRIBE , what matters is ANYONE FROM ANY TRIBE who does not have FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST...THE PROMISE OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS, TITUS 1-2 will not inherit any promises. So TRIBES here is a non issue.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/21


So it would appear what Kathrine and Strongaxe are saying is what Trav said here. If Judah hasn't yet come around then these promises are yet to be fulfilled. So in fact Trav, it is yet future. So all this fussing coming from you was nothing more than not understanding your own words? Or maybe not listening to others words?

So I don't see what this issue you have is about. Also, I see what you say some don't see but you, you have no verses to support. Are you seeing what you want, because it fits your beliefs? If it's in the Bible, let's see it. I'll decide for myself if I can see it or not.
---Samuel on 7/9/21


they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
---kathr4453 on 7/8/21

You are not able to see it but some will, that those refusing are Judah. The Nth House of Israel accepted and now you have a Bible to misunderstand and mangle now.
Judah, his own family rejecting made it possible for Nth House to accept.
At the end or some point Judah will see their error.
Jer 31:1 At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.

Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD, If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 7/8/21


To understand Hebrews 4:12, let's begin at the beginning of Heb 4. Let us therefore FEAR lest a PROMISE being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

4 READ 5 READ ..6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
---kathr4453 on 7/8/21


Exactly what scriptures of the HOLY BIBLE do you disagree with Trav? And please back up your accusations by telling us all what I believe that is not in scripture? If you can't, then YOU are a liar slanderer ...

Just answer the question directly without your PERSONAL commentary. No one cares about your commentary Trav.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/21




Trav:
We all need to look at the entirety of scripture, and not just weaponize a single verse
---StrongAxe on 7/4/21

What is notable is that the 2 specific verses Ive posted are viewed by you as weapons. Against you! On a Christian site. You bring word imposter to mind.
Scripture does dramatically sever your misunderstanding or attempts to explain what you would like to change in scripture. You bring an opinions against scriptural swords.
Why your opinions always get sliced and diced.
Heb 4:12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, of the joints and marrow, is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
---Trav on 7/7/21


My Testimony of Jesus Christ as a Born Again Jew ...
---kathr4453 on 7/6/21

Your testimony is as a false raging unauthorized teacher.
It is a successful testimony. It is scripturally confirmed to be be false, which those recognizing can avoid. Helpful to those Sheep my Lord looks for.

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
---Trav on 7/7/21


What we have here is quite obvious. The only one raging here is Trav. His last post was full of rage.

So here is what we have. Trav HATES the remnant of Israel who have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Now he does admit the majority of Jews don't believe in Jesus...so they are not the REMNANT who have the testimony of Jesus Christ. You have to first believe in Jesus to have the Testimony of Jesus. So Trav has actually aligned himself with those who come against the remnant....Revelation 12:17. All Trav posts are filled with rage and wroth against those who have the Testimony of Jesus Christ. My Testimony of Jesus Christ as a Born Again Jew ...a remnant of GRACE, EXPOSES HIS FALSE DOCTRINE.

I've got your number Trav.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/21


Remnant:
A small remaining quantity of something.


Romans 9:27
Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Romans 11:5
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


Is this the truth Trav hates? It's the only area I see he argues with me over. The remnant described in Revelation are those who have the testimony of JESUS CHRIST. Trav states Correctly that the majority of Jews don't believe in Jesus...therefore proving they are NOT the Remnant who do. Scripture supporting scripture USING THE ENTIRE WORD OF GOD.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/21


Trav, I'm sorry you're so angry. I know the jealousy you must be feeling, not being Israel/ Jew/ Nth House. Because YOU AREN'T, you resent those who are. I get that. It's called ENVY. The same ENVY that crucified our Lord.

But I want to let you know Trav, JESUS LOVES YOU TOO, and you don't have to convert to Judiasm to receive the promises. All you have to do is receive Jesus Christ as Lord and savior...just like we do. To the Jew first and then to the Gentile. For IN CHRIST there is neither Jew or Barbarian, male or female, bond or free....My prayer for you is you will come to understand this truth.

Only a REMNANT of Jews will be saved in the end. Read the end of Joel 2. Only those who's faith is in Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 7/5/21


Acts 21:9
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/21

You are not this man, his daughter or a prophet or a teacher, preacher or apostle. You rage when you should be silent. Your girlfriend should too. She only comes to your defense over this topic and presents nothing. specific only vague almost situs.
You guys are running when it is only your own doubts chasing you. You should run.
Rev 3:9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 7/5/21


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Trav:

As kathr so aptly demonstrated, you are building a doctrine built upon ONE passage of two verses, totally ignoring many other passages that contradict you. There were examples of female judges in the Old Testament. Female prophets in the New Testament. Priscilla and Aquila ran a church - and notice which of their names, came FIRST and was given higher importance? Hers.

We all need to look at the entirety of scripture, and not just weaponize a single verse here or there to attempt to prove our point and bludgeon people over the head with it.
---StrongAxe on 7/4/21


The scripture I posted in Ephesians 4 was defending ALL GIFTS Given to the CHURCH. Teacher is just one of them. I was accused of being TEACHER out of Trav's snide remarks. David joined in on Trav's sin as well. But that came from them not me. Teaching is not my gift.

The testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy. I testify of Jesus Christ in just about every post. I testify of THE CROSS, CHRIST CRUCIFIED , JESUS DEATH AND RESURRECTION.... and for some strange reason Trav and David come unglued, hurling insults after insults.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/21


Trav's one if a kind cherry-olive pies(GAG) picks and chooses what he likes and doesn't. How does he like these APPLES? To JEWS ONLY according to Trav cherries. I never claimed to be a teacher.

Acts 2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Acts 2:18
And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit, and they shall prophesy:

Acts 21:9
And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/21


Trav:
You yourself are teaching that others as "scripturally unauthorized to teach"? <
---StrongAxe on 7/4/21

Lets compare then speckndaeye. She claims a gift and that she is a teacher of scripture.
You-her never posted scripture authorizing. You cannot, scripture condemns the attempts.
I post and point to scripture. I dont claim to teach. Christ said he was the only teacher.
I dont claim GOD give me a gift. She does. Her gift is, a false witness, false labels and wrath over scripture posted.
Easy to see who gave her the gift.
1Ti 2:11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
---Trav on 7/4/21


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Trav:

You wrote: Those scripturally unauthorized to teach are found by scripture. So we also see you at your best imitation.

You yourself are teaching that others as "scripturally unauthorized to teach"? What sheer arrogance! By the very same criteria that you use to disqualify others, what makes you think that they don't disqualify you as well?

Please remove the beam from your own eye before condemning the speck in others' eyes.
---StrongAxe on 7/4/21


Ok Trav, you say Jeremiah 31:32 has come to pass....GREAT. So me being Jewish I HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, and you being none of them do not. So now who do these verses you hurled at another really apply to? YOU. Too funny.


Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.


Seeing you are from the bondwoman it appears you are the outcast...by your own doctrine. And you being void of the Holy Spirit disqualifies you from teaching anyone.

So CHECKMATE

BYE BYE TRAV.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/21


Trav, putting down Hebrews 8 as your go to answer for all questions shows .
---kathr4453 on 7/1/21

.shows immediately, specifically what was prophesied in Jer 31:31-33, has come to pass. And to who the House of Israel AND Judah.
Hmmmm. No wonder the call it the New Testament.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Those scripturally unauthorized to teach are found by scripture. So we also see you at your best imitation.
---Trav on 7/2/21


Hebrews 9:15... THEY WHICH ARE CALLED.

Romans 9:7Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Romans 9:24Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

GENTILES MEANING GREEKS, BARBARIANS, HEATHANS...as Paul first clarifies in Romans 1:14. So in Isaac shall thy seed be called....SEED SINGULAR...Who is Christ....and those who are CHRISTS are heirs according to promise.

Those who are OF FAITH inherit the promise. Read Hebrews 3-4.... those who have/had NO FAITH did not enter the promise and did not become heirs of that promise...a stark warning that not all Israel received the promise. NO FAITH NO ENTRY NO INHERITANCE.
---kathr4453 on 7/3/21


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This is also included in the NEW COVENANT PROMISE Jeremiah 31 and Heb 9. BUT WE SEE THE DAYS HAVE NOT COME YET. The same Covenant again spoken in Ezekiel 36 THE WHOLE CHAPTER has not yet come to pass.


38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.

40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the Lord
---kathr4453 on 7/2/21


Trav, putting down Hebrews 8 as your go to answer for all questions shows you are so confused you can't answer questions. That doesn't answer all questions. It's stonewalling.

Heb 8 does however show ONE DAY that promise to Israel will be fulfilled.

Jeremiah 32:31 is addressed to those WHO CAME OUT OF EGYPT. Did YOU?

So again THE CHURCH, did not come out of EGYPT, or were they ever a divided house of Israel, scattered.

The CHURCH are individual sinners from every tribe, tongue, nation, HEATHAN GREEK, BARBARIAN who believe Jesus is the Christ who died for our sin. And KNOW JESUS. COL 1:24-27 is THE CHURCH. CHRIST IS HEAD OF THE CHURCH. A fact Rejected by ISRAEL THE NATION.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/21


So I'm confused here,
---kathr4453 on 6/30/21

Hunny teacher you been a little more than confused for many years.
You need to go play outside on swing set for a while.
So now we are bizarre, ignorant, screaming trolls.
All these nice Christian things to win us us over to your your Balaam error way of thinking.

Heb 9:15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
---Trav on 7/1/21


Trav, are you suggesting Jews today know the exact TRIBE they came from? Is that what you are asking me to clarify? I'm not sure what you are asking. I don't believe in your ARMSTRONGISM of who is and isn't Israel/ Jew/Nth House garbage.

You seem to be obsessed with an issue that is a nonissue. I don't practice Judiasm , I practice CHRISTIANITY. And seeing you have no clue the difference is all one really needs to know about your bazaar childish comments and behavior. It SCREAMS IGNORANCE all the way around. It SCREAMS CULT. I believe you and David to be TROLLS not really here to promote your own beliefs but here solely to attack CHRISTIANITY. The fact you hurl assault after assault in place of answering questions says it all.
---kathr4453 on 7/1/21


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So I'm confused here, who exactly are the lost sheep? Now Judah is the lost sheep....of the 10 tribes ? So Jesus asked the scattered to go find Judah and Benjamin and Levi? Too funny.

What happened to THE WITNESSES? And David says Strongaxe and I are delusional. So now I'm wondering what tribe David thinks he's from seeing he is now promoting Trav's gospel and everyone else God has cursed with delusions. More witchcraft going on here.

Should we continue to entertain these heretics?
---kathr4453 on 6/30/21


Trav,
, how is it you've made yourself a spokes person for all of Israel?
---kathr4453 on 6/29/21

Your people?? You dont know who your people are. Ive asked you. You claim to be jewish u cant prove it. You dont even post for your own. Rather it inflames your anger. Family indeed. Maybe uncle Esau.
You are commanded in scripture to be silent yet you rail, you are not for own, scriptural pearls you throw in the mud.
Yeah Ill look for Sheep you look for Edomites.

Isa 45:25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
Isa 48:11For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
---Trav on 6/30/21


Trav:

You wrote: Now Judah hasnt accepted fully but, other brothers in house of Israel did

When, and where, exactly did "older brothers in house of Israel" come to accept Jesus as the Messiah? Who, exactly are these "older brothers in the house of Israel"?
---StrongAxe on 6/30/21


Are you casting out PAUL too? So you haven't read ALL of Romans 10.....from the first verse to the very last verse in Chapter 10. So now we know Trav too hates Paul and twists his epistles, just like David does. My my the things you both have in common is astounding.

Israel today, ..... STILL waiting for the Messiah......the one they CRUCIFIED and rejected. THAT ONE. You even posted scripture in Luke confirming so.....the verse Jesus called fools because THEY didn't believe the prophets..... Jesus stood right there in front of them and they had no clue. I'm not sure you do either Trav. But being a gentile, and ignorant of the scriptures, I can see that. And then say you are what ...a wannabe Jew? Assaulting real Jews?
---kathr4453 on 6/30/21


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Trav, I love my people, and know that the vast majority of Jews do not believe Jesus is the Messiah who was born of virgin over 2000 years ago. Paul also testifies to this as well. So tell us Trav, WHEN did this amazing conversion OF ALL ISRAEL/ Jews happen? It didn't happen at Pentecost.....so when?

OR is YOUR definition of Jew/Israel other than who scripture defines?

Seeing you say you are none of the above, how is it you've made yourself a spokes person for all of Israel? And they accept YOU as their voice? Prove it.....just posting here is no proof. You are spokesperson for ARMSTRONGISM. A CULT.

Armstrongism does not represent Jews or Israel.....and they will tell you so.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/21


So, TODAY , ALL ISRAEL has not received Jesus Christ..
---kathr4453 on 6/28/21

Whoa my scriptures, Cherries they truly are should not make a scripture obedient jewish teacher like you so, so, so wrathful. Still that spirit we dont find in scripture other that the ones cast out.
Now what you call Cherries I see them as Olives. If you would teacher, start calling it Olive picking. It aligns better.
Now Judah hasnt accepted fully but, other brothers in house of Israel did, has and will.
Who do you think brought the Bible forward?? Non kin folk? Nah, they would despise verses I post. Hmmm similar to
Psa 105:25He turned their heart to hate his people, to deal subtilly with his servants.
---Trav on 6/29/21


Trav,
.. You however have taken 11 out of context and YOU have omitted chapter 10.---kathr4453 on 6/15/21

Were you not blinded by your doctrine that scripture cannot support you might notice your errors. All of Romans is to all of Israel. So you have no context to make a point.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits, that blindness in part is happened to Israel, (Judah) until the fulness of the gentiles / ethnos / North House be come in.

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,.:

To be blind fulfills scripture too. You dont understand this mystery to the brethren. speaks loudly.
---Trav on 6/29/21


John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:


So here is how one becomes a SON, and no longer a servant. And like David shows, only a SON abides in the house forever...the servant does not. I think David posts this from John 14.

Do Trav temper tantrum assaulting other believers on line regardless of their gender is and should be noticed by all how he curses at those who believes THE WHOLE WORD OF GOD, not just his limited CHERRY PICKED verses.

His behavior is what ROTTEN FRUIT LOOKS AND SMELLS LIKE.

So, TODAY , ALL ISRAEL has not received Jesus Christ. They are still servants of sin, and also not SONS THROUGH JESUS CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 6/28/21


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Now Jesus said, it took something to no longer be a servant.....Gal 4:7 , John 15:15 -16. There is a difference between sons and servants. So SONS bring forth FRUIT, and Romans 7 show how Israel can do that....as well as John 15, beginning in verse 1. You have to BE IN THE SON AKA JESUS CHRIST AND ABIDE IN THE SON AKA JESUS CHRIST. Roman's 5-8 give this step by step ....Paul, having OBEYED THE GOSPEL, became a SON, serving God as a SON. BIG DIFFERENCE. But as a whole, Israel THE NATION has not...and is still under the curse of the law. Now the LAW is not a curse, but those still under it are under a curse. When Israel turns to JESUS CHRIST, they will no longer be under the curse of the law. It's all explained in Galatians....the NT.
---kathr4453 on 6/27/21


Trav claiming universal salvation to All Israel unconditionally. Scripture NEVER teaches this. Trav jumping around cherry picking..
---kathr4453 on 6/25/21

Israel was chosen as a servant people. Cherries presented / posted are ripe, explicit and specific. Unconditionally? Your words. Rotten insect ridden, diseased by false doctrine Cherries not accepted.

Tit 2:3The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things,

1Co 6:9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
---Trav on 6/26/21


Colossians 2 explain thoroughly how one is redeemed from the curse of the law and so does Romans 5-8. Just more half truths from Trav claiming universal salvation to All Israel unconditionally. Scripture NEVER teaches this. Trav jumping around cherry picking around the truth is A FALSE TEACHER. A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.

IF ALL SCRIPTURE IS EXCLUSIVELY TO JEWS/ ISRAEL/NthHouse as Trav insists... THEN ALL SCRIPTURE I JUST POSTED CANNOT BE OMITTED.

Only those CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST have been redeemed from the curse of the Law. Gal 2:20-21. Multitudes are still under the curse of the Law, and will die in their sin.

---kathr4453 on 6/25/21


Strongaxe, all we can do is look to scripture to see examples. I chose Cornelius as an example, also showing there is no such thing as a heart so depraved before salvation it can't desire God. But Cornelius hearing the Gospel was by divine appointment. God sent Peter specifically to share the Gospel of salvation with him.

And then the Jews having so much PRIVLEDGE of being given everything needed to believe, yet hardened their own hearts...but not all of them.

JS1234, no second chances after you are dead. It doesn't always mean LUCK. But I think you knew I wasn't talking about the game of chance/luck.
---kathr4453 on 6/24/21


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Is salvation a matter of chance?
---JS1234 on 6/22/21

Salvation from what? Curse of the law. Judah is one part of 12. Never equals all Israel.
Luk 1:68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Luk 19:9Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.
Luk 19:10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
doeth them shall live in them.
Gal 3:13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:.
Heb 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:.
---Trav on 6/24/21


Kathr, I only asked because you said there are no second chances for salvation, implying that salvation is a thing of chance. Thanks for clarifying.
---JS1234 on 6/23/21


kathr4453:

Some people get such "divine appointments", and others do not. Without knowing the Mind of God, it's impossible to tell WHY some do but others don't. It can just seem like luck or random chance. Unfortunately, we aren't telepathic, so we can't directly perceive the Mind of God. We can only deduce what He's thinking based on what he says and does - and He isn't telling. E.g. if you ask him why Jack gets such a divine appointment and Jill does not, it's unlikely that you will receive an answer. (Calvinists would say that God's choice is arbitrary, and he picks whom he wants to save, and there's nothing we can do about it. Such a statement may or may not be true, but it isn't helpful.)
---StrongAxe on 6/23/21


JS 1234, that is a strange question coming from you as you stated you believe in universalism....where everyone is saved in the end.

Salvation is BY FAITH. It is faith in ...here Romans 1:1-17 is a good start and clearly emphasizes FAITH.

SO FAITH COMES BY HEARING. So now the question should be....IS HEARING THE GOSPEL BY CHANCE? After looking at Cornelius life Acts 10-11, I would say Cornelius hearing the Gospel God brought Peter to proclaim to him was by divine appointment.

But interestingly, Israel as a whole having all this truth for eons REJECTED SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. So no, it's not by chance.....it's by the condition of one's heart.
---kathr4453 on 6/23/21


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Is salvation a matter of chance?
---JS1234 on 6/22/21


Trav,
Israel...John 8...if you were Abrahams seed you would do the works of Abraham....
---kathr4453 on 6/21/21

I posted to you the only one here who claims to be jewish. You might even be in the lack of scriptural eyesight. Nah.. dont see any work of Abraham, Paul etc, etc, rather the opposite.
Num 6:27And they shall put my name upon the children of Israel, and I will bless them.
Deu 14:2For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God, and the LORD hath chosen thee to be a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
---Trav on 6/22/21


I never said God cast away His people. I said those who have rejected Jesus Christ who have already died in their sin have no second chances.

Just an example...those who rebelled in the wilderness, those who refused to enter the promise land DIED IN THEIR SIN. HOWEVER "Israel the nation," having been reduced to those 20 and under except for Joshua and Calab did enter the promise land. It will be the same scenario at Jesus 2nd Coming.

Israel refer to the NATION ...a Jew refer to individuals. No scripture says every single Jew will be saved.
ISRAEL IS DIVIDED INTO TRIBES NOT NATIONS. Israel is a NATION...SINGULAR.

Just because you too have chosen to rewrite the Word of God doesn't make it true.
---kathr4453 on 6/22/21


Trav, oh my, are you ok? I see on another thread you did come around and posted Jesus rebuke to Israel...John 8...if you were Abrahams seed you would do the works of Abraham...stating I guess not all Israel is Israel......and NOW you claim BLINDED ISREAL is ..and will one day be saved. My my. I don't think you can keep your story straight Trav. I have to wonder if you have memory issues, or maybe something else is going on with you. I know you can't complete full sentences and throw around verses that don't even apply.

So seeing a diminished capacity here, I'm going to just leave you in your state of confusion.
---kathr4453 on 6/21/21


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Trav,
. AFTER the fullness of the Gentiles have come in God will then turn to BLINDED ISRAEL.
You however have taken 11 out of context.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/21

Through your blindness/ confusion others will see.
br>Rom 11:2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
Rom 11:16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. Rom 11:25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, blindness in part is happened to Israel,(Judah) until the fulness of the (ethnos / divorced/ lost Sheep) be come in.
Rom 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written,.
---Trav on 6/20/21


Trav, Jesus rebuked the unbelieving Jews in John 8, Paul in Romans 10.... Over 70 years after Pentecost. However Paul does go on to say that ONE DAY, AFTER the fullness of the Gentiles have come in God will then turn to BLINDED ISRAEL. That is Romans 11. And I have never omitted Romans 11. You however have taken 11 out of context and YOU have omitted chapter 10.

I believe the whole word of God. You however cherry pick. God has everything in HIS PERFECT TIMING. Don't rush God's timing Trav. TODAY IS THE DAY IF SALVATION. Not tomorrow. Jews today need to believe the Gospel of their salvation IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE. You see, all those prophecies are ABOUT JESUS TOO. There is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ. PERIOD.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/21


Now you stated the majority of Jews don't believe in Jesus. So how do you presume they are saved?
---kathr4453 on 6/14/21

So you believe and tout Paul in one verse but discard Paul on following verse. You believe Christ in one saying but, discard Christ if you dont approve.
No prophet do you recognize utilize, so if you dont believe them how could you possibly believe anything posted. Your blind guide leads you in all doctrine. Ask him.

Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit, they shall not plant, and another eat: ., and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
---Trav on 6/15/21


David , like you likes to cherry pick scripture re: John 8:34-35, but failed to read the whole chapter. Especially verse 36....Jesus taking to Jews. Jews who scoffed at Him and crucified Him. The chapter is eye opening for those snared in Cults, as you both are. What you both have in common is your rejection of Jesus Christ, just like those described in John 8. If they truly were Abrahams seed they would have and should have known Jesus WHO ALONE SETS US FREE .....as was promised under the Abrahamic Covenant. The further promise of the Messiah who would come to set us free from sin and death. David doesn't get it, and neither do you. Let the Jews listen to Jesus in John 8 and not you Trav. That STILL APPLIES TODAY.
---kathr4453 on 6/15/21


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Trav, SALVATION IS FOUND IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE.

Now you stated the majority of Jews don't believe in Jesus. So how do you presume they are saved? Those up to today who have rejected Jesus Christ and have died have no second chances. It's appointed once to die and then the judgement.

By not telling the truth THE WHOLE TRUTH ! you are misleading Jews to believe they are saved today without having to believe in Jesus. That dictrine is Straight from hell. ONE DAY, AFTER GOD DEALS WITH ISRAELS DISOBEDIENCE Israel will be saved. But until then..,,you are leading multitudes to hell by your doctrine..
---kathr4453 on 6/14/21


Trav:
It's just as much gaslighting to try to sow confusion to cause someone to question their salvation.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/21

If Israels scripture caused your doubting dilemma Im at fault. Right. They killed Christ for same choice in ignorance. Or was it blindness.
Christ posted / searched for Sheep. I do too. Why do you two bother to respond when Sheep are not your thing?
Eze 34:6My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek

Eze 34:23And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David, he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
Eze 34:24And I the
---Trav on 6/14/21


Trav:

It's just as much gaslighting to try to sow confusion to cause someone to question their salvation as to question their sanity, so the term is not inappropriate.

You keep repeating like a broken record the phrase "Israel's scripture". That scripture is not one that the Bible uses anywhere, and I've never heard anyone else ever use it but you. What exactly do you mean by that phrase? Do you mean the old testament, or the new, or both, or something else? Please educate us, and please be specific.
---StrongAxe on 6/14/21


Trav, nothing you post troubles me. Your insulting comments of scripture I post concerning Israel trouble you... I only see you troubled. And you gaslight, FALSELY ACCUSINGLY, making false accusations to have an advantage over another, to slander another for your advantage IS GASLIGHTING. And Trav, those who know and understand the purpose of Gaslighting don't question their sanity. I do question your motives to disgard ALL SCRIPTURE concerning Israel.

You said they don't believe in Jesus, but you fail to acknowledge the consequences for their rejecting Jesus. 1/2 the truth is not the WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. It's how CULTS operate. They throw in a little truth, and then reject the WHOLE TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 6/14/21


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Trav,
Your verses aren't saving them are they?
---kathr4453 on 6/9/21

Wow. You presume to know who GOD has saved in last 2,000 years.
You presume your misunderstanding, misuse and false doctrine are saving people? You save no one, salvation is never found in disobedience or misunderstanding of scripture. Sheep are saved. You have never looked or claim such.

Joh 10:4 when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
Joh 10:5. a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call
---Trav on 6/14/21


Yes, something is DEFINITELY wrong - when people keep spewing random scriptures that aren't on point,.
---StrongAxe on 6/10/21

Every scripture Ive posted of Israel is exactly on point.
Each of their scriptures nullify false doctrine.
Proving by scriptural witnesses.
The fact that Israels specific random scriptures inflame you and eat your logic up is not my fault,
If you cannot understand Israels scriptures.. no one can fix that. Here.
Luk 24:44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
---Trav on 6/14/21


Someone is Gaslighting here. Actually, all Trav does is gaslight
---kathr4453 on 6/12/21

Gaslighting definition: causing one to doubt their sanity.

The fact seen here is that All Israels scripture, i post troubles you . it should. Means one is on the wrong side of it.
Israels Truth/Gospel is freedom. from gaslighting or the insanity of living your false unsub-doctrines.

Psa 145:18 The LORD is nigh unto all them that call upon him, to all that call upon him in truth.
Mic 7:20Thou wilt perform the truth to Jacob, and the mercy to Abraham, which thou hast sworn unto our fathers from the days of old.

Joh 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
---Trav on 6/13/21


Someone is Gaslighting here. Actually, all Trav does is gaslight, trying to create drama when there is none, making false insulting accusations in hopes to get something going. It's not working.

I post directly out of scripture too concerning Israel ....the very same scriptures Trav posts from. But to say God has only saved Jews throughout the last 2000 years and no Gentiles, or to twist and say they are Jews is rediculous. Multitudes can attest they are not Israel or Jews and ARE SAVED. And for Trav to make some sort of judgement they are either not saved or are Jews is AGAIN REDICULOUS.

The only one who is infuriated here is Trav, because he cannot support his doctrine. Scripture itself does not support it.
---kathr4453 on 6/12/21


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Trav:

You wrote: Israels truth cannot abide your lack of truth.

They must because their doctrines fall flat when...

Your sinking defense of the indefensible by witnesses make it clear.... your over the top defense hi lights your passionate offense to specific Sheep scripture.

Why are you SO antagonistic in EVERY SINGLE POST you make?

Something is wrong when scripture makes any self proclaimed gifted teacher preacher infuriated.

Yes, something is DEFINITELY wrong - when people keep spewing random scriptures that aren't on point, while constantly engaging in personal attacks. This is NOT Christ-like behavior. What makes YOU so angry?
---StrongAxe on 6/10/21


Trav, I didn't ask you to deflect and ramble on with your babble. I asked a question. Either answer it honestly or don't post.

You are not Israel/ Jew/ or Nth House. So who asked you, an outsider gentile to proclaimed what you do. Gods prophets are Jews Trav....and your not one of them. You can't gain brownie points with God by posting verses. Anyone can do that and still be as lost as list can be.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/21


Trav, you said you're not Israel, a Jew or Nth house, so why .....
---kathr4453 on 6/9/21

Israels truth cannot abide your lack of truth. I post Israels scriptures never spoken of in todays Churches. Who In ignorance/ training teach jews / Judah equal all Israel. Like yourself.
They must because their doctrines fall flat when scripture shows the remainder of Israel being acknowledged.... actually the ones being sought.... Matt 10:6, 15:24, Heb 8:8, etc, etc.
Your sinking defense of the indefensible by witnesses make it clear.... your over the top defense hi lights your passionate offense to specific Sheep scripture.
Something is wrong when scripture makes any self proclaimed gifted teacher preacher infuriated.
---Trav on 6/10/21


TODAY those mysteries are now revealed, so you can put away those verses you use to exalt yourself with. YIKES.

The MYSTERY OF CHRIST IN YOU THE HOPE OF GLORY, you have totally shown you do not understand. Christ is not IN THOSE who do not believe in Jesus, and that in itself is no mystery. Christ in you, is different that the promise of the New Covenant of God saying " I will put my spirit in you ". That was no mystery hidden but now revealed.Colossians 1:24-27. The mystery of CHRIST IN YOU, takes you through THE CROSS, THE SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST...never stated in the OT. But is stated now, Roman's 6-8, Galatians 2:20-21. Galatians 6. This group of folks are no longer part of this world.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/21


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Trav, you said you're not Israel, a Jew or Nth house, so why all the excitement? You count yourself damned with the rest of the world. And post scripture that is yet future. So what has been going on these last 2000 years? You said yourself the majority of Jews don't believe in Jesus. So tell us, is your Gospel a Jesusless crossless gospel? You think...WALLA no matter what Israel is saved regardless? Do you even believe in the NT? Do you believe and understand Roman's 10 for starters? Those who STUMBLED at Christ Crucified who are dead today are NOT SAVED TRAV. And more are dying TODAY WITHOUT CHRIST. What about them. Your verses aren't saving them are they? Believing God will save Israel ONE DAY is not saving anyone today.
---kathr4453 on 6/9/21


He is not here to help us understand anything. ....sounding a bit mysterious.
---JS1234 on 6/6/21

When Israels scripture is a mystery it should be. It their scripture. Israel wrote it. It is about them, to them and for them.
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Many.... is not all.
Heb 8:8.......,a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Happy? I perceive you are a little timid by my confidence. You should be, the prophets and Christ are my foundation.
---Trav on 6/8/21


... but we should pray that Satan loosen his grip, and that Trav will hear the Gospel of salvation
---kathr4453 on 6/7/21

Praying to Satan? Fits. You pray to your god .....

I will pray to Israels, Happily.

Deu 33:29Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, and who is the sword of thy excellency! and thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee, and thou shalt tread upon their high places.

2Sa 7:24For thou hast confirmed to thyself thy people Israel to be a people unto thee for ever: and thou, LORD, art become their God.

Psa 33:12Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD, and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance.
---Trav on 6/8/21


I agree with JS1234. Trav appears to be a very unhappy person, maybe she is locked away in a mental institution, hating God and everyone else and posts her nonsense just to get her angry feelings out. She certainly does have a chip on her shoulder. Trav has changed over the years. Years ago when she did post, it wasn't this nasty or hateful. I actually had a nickname for Trav.....TRAVELOSITY. She thought it was funny.

I'm not sure what has happened to her over these years, but we should pray that Satan loosen his grip, and that Trav will hear the Gospel of salvation ...the one addressed to ALL SINNERS regardless of who they are.
---kathr4453 on 6/7/21


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Trav:

What truth?

This blog is about Masons. Yet on 6/5/21, having never said a single thing on this blog before, you jump in, and switch the topic to accusing kathr. You have still not said a single word relating to this topic. I am not "accusing you". I am stating a plainly observable fact, that anyone can verify by just reading the transcript of this blog.

WHY are you attacking kathr here? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to at least direct such comments in the blog where she may have said something you disagree with? This is why this site has multiple blogs, so people can discuss different topics, rather than having turf wars drowning out every other conversation on the site.
---StrongAxe on 6/6/21


I wouldn't worry too much about whatever Trav says. He is not here to help us understand anything. He is only trying to toot his own horn by sounding a bit mysterious. Probably the best thing you could do is just not respond to anything that he posts. If you do that, he will eventually go away. I wish him every blessing. I hope someday he will be a happy person.
---JS1234 on 6/6/21


Trav:
Will you never stop Accusing? You know who the bible calls The Accuser.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/21

Ah... accuser? Looks like you are accusing me .....of pointing out a truth. Truth / light cannot tolerate untruth / darkness. Light makes you angry so..... obviously you need to get back in the closet.
So lets review, I point out that if a Mason or a TRUE Judahite doesnt honor Christ now but is drawn by GOD tonight or in future...... is between them and GOD.

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

By the way.... Architect of the Universe is GOD. You are not a Mason, thus no authority on subject.
---Trav on 6/6/21


Strongaxe, Trav is threatened by me. He applies the latest tactics to truth tellers. We are seeing a lot of this today even in politics. It'll get worse, but we know them by their fruit.....their rotten fruit.

Trav can't prove he's not a woman or an ATHIEST here. He can't prove he's not in a mental institution. Trav has proved nothing, except stating correctly here the majority of Jews today do not believe in Jesus.

God will deal with Apostate Israel one day at the Great Tribulation , where His Chosen will be chastened beyond words. 1/3 actually will be saved out of Israel at that time, but 2/3 will die without Christ. But that is still future. TODAY GENTILES are being saved and DO believe in Jesus.
---kathr4453 on 6/6/21


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Masons are required to believe in a being called "The Great Architect of the Universe". This may or may not correspond to the God of the Bible, and that may vary from one Mason to another.

Trav:

Yet again, you comment for the first time on a new blog adding zero to the actual subject, but use it as excuse to deflect to personally attack someone else. Will you never stop Accusing? You know who the bible calls The Accuser.
---StrongAxe on 6/5/21


Sadly many look on them as the Bogeyman. They are part of a semi secret organization. President George Washington was one. So were most of our founding Fathers.

Many who say they are Christian are members. Not my job to guess.

A percentage of people use them in Conspiracy theories.

Not my job to judge.
---Samuelbb7 on 6/5/21


I can't speak for the Masons, but I do know that some believe in Jesus and some don't. Masons are not required to believe in Jesus.
---JS1234 on 6/4/21

Most Jews dont believe in Jesus either.... but, bet your denom calls them the chosen people.
Our resident Jewess here kat who claims to be jewish but, cannot prove it. She appears ashamed to speak of it, unless it might leverage her post position. Calling yourself jew doesnt make it so. She knows little of Israel.... any Jew would know much.
Think true Judahites will ever accept? Maybe a doubting Mason will if called by the father.....
Rom 11:26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, .........
---Trav on 6/5/21


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