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What Is The Gospel

There seems to be different views of what the Gospel is.

Can others be specific as to their understanding backed up with scripture.

The OT Isaiah 61:1 call it Glad tidings ... NT calls it GOOD NEWS Mark reiterates in Mark 6:13 it says GOSPEL.

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oh my goodness, lookee lookee lookee...He was a racist. Ok it's all coming together here.

He would fit right in with the WHITE EVANGELICAL NATIONALISM .
---kathr4453 on 7/18/21

Ha. So you are an anti white racist? Im gonna look ole Armstrong up. If you are against him, GOD was probably for him.
Sounds like he read his Bible. When scripture I post enrages you it is a tell of your heart.
Lookee lookee lookee.
Exo 19:6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Lev 20:26And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
---Trav on 7/19/21


I've never seen a direct answer to any questions asked of Trav. Asking WHY he excludes scripture that Israel/ Jews /Nth House must first believe in Jesus as shown in John 8 renders a sarcastic response evading the question altogether, with cursing, saying Woman also have no authority to ask questions, answering with scripture so inappropriate to the conversation, as a smoke screen because Trav doesn't have the answer. And the false accusations to create more smoke...so lame. Posting scripture anyone can do. Knowing and understanding what you're posting ....THAT TAKES THE HOLY SPIRIT'S DIRECTION.
---kathr4453 on 7/19/21


oh my goodness, lookee lookee lookee...He was a racist. Ok it's all coming together here.

"God originally set the bounds of national borders, intending nations to be separated to prevent interracial marriage. [...] Noah was of perfect lineage in his generations. His wife and three sons were of that same white strain."

Mystery of the Ages, H.W. Armstrong, pg. 149


That's just one excerpt. This guy wrote volumes showing off his racism. He would fit right in with the WHITE EVANGELICAL NATIONALISM .
---kathr4453 on 7/18/21


Trav:

You wrote: Clinton, Barry soetoro and Biden. Three recent rejects.

I wrote: When have Obama and Biden committed adultery, or worshiped other gods?

You wrote: you show you are biased to what you prefer rather than truth. ... Who you defend and promote is where you stand.

I asked you point blank, and you quoted my question, then totally ignored it. I wasn't promoting anyone. I was challenging the accusation you, yourself made. I showed how the shoe fits Trump. Can you show how it fits anyone else? Facts, not rhetoric. Again, rejected HOW?

Show SPECIFICALLY where I "call evil good and make excuses for it". Show my EXACT words. Again, false witness.
---StrongAxe on 7/18/21


I think Mal 2:17 can easily be addressed to this new WHITE EVANGELICAL NATIONALISM.

Country before God
Flag replaces the cross
Gods chosen people are WHITE


I do believe THIS IS what Trump and his supporters represents.

I find it hilarious Trav supports this bogus doctrine AND his Armstrongism....unless he somehow connects the two as one and the same.

Or I'd say Trav IS A DOUBLE MINDED MAN UNSTABLE IN ALL HIS WAYS. James 1:8. Back at ya Trav.

America is NOT The new Israel or NEW Promise land. Jerusalem is not here, and at Jesus second coming The Lord will NOT be setting up His earthly throne in Washington DC or NY or SALT LAKE CITY UT.
---kathr4453 on 7/18/21




Trav:

When have Obama and Biden committed adultery, or worshiped other gods?
---StrongAxe on 7/16/21

Wow. You may be a decent person at some level but, you show you are biased to what you prefer rather than truth. You are Biblical in this regard. Who you defend and promote is where you stand.
.
You weary me like GOD was weary below. You call evil good and make excuses for it.
Mal 2:17Ye have wearied the LORD with your words. Yet ye say, Wherein have we wearied him? When ye say, Every one that doeth evil is good in the sight of the LORD, and he delighteth in them, or, Where is the God of judgment?
---Trav on 7/17/21


Here's a question concerning the Gospel. Today in our country we have a new defined group called "WHITE EVANGELICAL NATIONALISTS. "

This has a different view as well. Anyone see a problem with this Gospel?
If you support it then please post scripture that supports this NEW AND maybe not so new doctrine....possibly around since Nazi Germany.
---kathr4453 on 7/17/21


Trav:

When have Obama and Biden committed adultery, or worshiped other gods?

Rejected how? Clinton and Obama both won two terms. Trump lost his.

Catholic bishops deny Biden communion, NOT for advocating abortion (he's against it), JUST for saying women should have that choice themselves. Hypocritically, they never had problems with Trump who ACTUALLy committed adultery and boasted about it.

I never *DEFENDED* abortion. I show that addressing unwanted pregnancy results in LOWER abortion rates than outlawing abortion, but you never listen.

I never *DEFENDED* gays. Show me ONE post where I did, but you can't.

I am *NOT* a marxist. My parents fled their country because of marxists. Will you never stop LYING?
---StrongAxe on 7/16/21


Trav:

Trump:
1) Other gods: Narcissist, worships himself. Name is on every company, every tower.
2) Images: Had own portraits bought at charity's expense. Conventioners knelt to his GOLD STATUE
3) Name in vain: Swears oaths he never keeps*
4) Sabbath: Golfs, never goes to church
5) Parents: Mocked father's Alzheimer's
6) Murder: Said he could kill someone on 5th Ave and not lose supporters*
7) Adultery: Cheated on every wife. Made unwanted advances on married women*. Asked if wrong to be attracted to own daughter
8) Steal: Defrauds contractors*, charities, and cities
9) Perjury: Told 30,000+ lies in office
10) Covet: Whines when others win awards he doesn't, like Nobel prize
(* and BOASTS of these)
---StrongAxe on 7/16/21


Which recent president violated every one of the Ten Commandments,
I'll leave you to do the math.
---StrongAxe on 7/13/21

Which recent president? Math. Lets see, Clinton, Barry soetoro and Biden. Three recent rejects.
But a Christian like you, judge and jury makes a decision to promo and defend abortion platforms and gays.
Defend cause you cant vote as an alien. Go back to Canada take a commie with ya.
Why you like mr cant take communion communist joey. You a closet marxist?
They call good evil too. bitter for sweet.
Isa 5:20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness, that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
---Trav on 7/15/21




Trav knock off the jezebel Balaam etc etc. It's getting old and is laughable how you bully like a fifth grade girl who can't get her way . Are you a woman Trav. Your whole personality is that if a catty woman who drinks beer all day long. You project onto others what you are. GASLIGHTING. SO LAME.

Your doctrine is ARMSTRONGISM and IS A CULT PERIOD.

Jews and Israel do not agree or follow your doctrine. Mainstream Christianity does not either.

Bye Trav. You've had your 2-3 admonitions and then some. IM REJECTING YOU... AS GOD HAS COMMANDED.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/21


teach THE WHOLE TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 7/13/21

You cant handle truth. Ive posted it for years. You rejected it then and now. You cant even obey Tim, prophets you scoff at. Jezebel and Judas would be your best BFFs. U R outta control.

Rom 8:29. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Exo 19:6And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
---Trav on 7/14/21


Trav, compare Hebrews 13:20-21 with witness scripture Romans 8:11-13.

Have you obeyed this? Also you forgot to post Hebrews 13:21 that is connected to verse 20. You want to teach? Then teach THE WHOLE TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 7/13/21


Trav, scriptural sheep truth will be found in 1st and 2nd Peter....written to the SHEEP WHO HEAR JESUS VOICE AND NO ONE ELSES. The Sheep who believe and have put their faith in Jesus Christ. Peter was an apostle to the Jews ....and his words have more authority than yours.

Peter has also warned Jews who do not believe in Jesus Christ...so there you go....there are Jews/ Israel or as James addresses the 12 Tribes as a whole, also James 2:1 clarify James is writing to those tribes WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST.
John 3:36....is addressed TO JEWS seeing you believe everything is about Israel. Ok so Jesus is addressing Israel....those who don't believe in Jesus SAID the WRATH OF GOD abides on them TO THIS VERY DAY.
---kathr4453 on 7/14/21


Trav:

You wrote: When did you start worrying about a scriptural penalty?

Any time ANYONE claims to speak on God's behalf, and puts words in his mouth.

Since the election of mr evil dud perhaps?

Why beat around the bush? Come out and say it.

Which recent president violated every one of the Ten Commandments, and committed every one of the Seven Deadly Sins - and proudly boasted about it in books and interviews?

Which had an administration so corrupt, it generated twice as many criminal indictments as all other administrations from his own party in the past half century combined, and an order of magnitude more than that of the other party?

I'll leave you to do the math.
---StrongAxe on 7/13/21


Trav needs to get out of the way.
---kathr4453 on 7/13/21

Yes wanna be preachateacha but, when you post it makes opportunity to post scriptural Sheep truth. Church wasnt mentioned in verses I sent. Your just outta order.

Heb 13:20Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Jer 31:10Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock.
---Trav on 7/13/21


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Timothy never wrote an epistle. 1st and 2nd Timothy are letters written to Timothy by Paul, as Paul was instructing Timothy how to set up a new Church .....and Trav, like some others can't get it through their head ..this site is NOT A CHURCH.

God has commanded all of us to be a LIGHT tto all Nations ACTS 13:47

For this is what the lord has commanded us ...I have made thee to be a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth. ...Isaiah 49:6, 52:10, 60:3, John 8:12, Acts 13:47

We don't follow the commands of men, we follow and obey the commands of God alone. Trav needs to get out of the way. PSALMS 1:1
---kathr4453 on 7/13/21


The Bible imposes extremely severe penalties for those who claim to speak for God, but say thing he did not command them to say.
---StrongAxe on 7/12/21

When did you start worrying about a scriptural penalty? Since the election of mr evil dud perhaps?
GOD, Christ, Tim. me to point it out to the outlaw teacher preacher. You wont and havent. I care enough to warn her. But not you? Oh
1Ti 2:10But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
1Ti 2:11Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1Ti 2:13For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
---Trav on 7/13/21


Did you know Mary Magdalene was the very FIRST person to testify of Jesus resurrection. Did Jesus forbid her to say anything? NO. AND not only the Apostles testify so did all those of about 500 who saw Jesus after He rose from the dead.

To give testimony is not teaching.
---kathr4454 on 7/13/21


Trav:

You wrote: Ha. Timothy commands, Christ commands, GOD who created Adam commands you stick a drawer of socks in it. I command you as well false one.

You claim to speak for Christ, God, and Timothy? Who gave you that authority?

You judge her as a "false one"? Who gave you the authority to so judge her. Jesus himself commanded "Judge not, yest ye be judged", but this seems to be yet another one of his inconvenient teachings (like "Thou shalt not bear false witness") that you conveniently and consistently ignore.

The Bible imposes extremely severe penalties for those who claim to speak for God, but say thing he did not command them to say.
---StrongAxe on 7/12/21


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GOD has commanded me to TESTIFY OF JESUS CHRIST, and no human ESPECIALLY The likes of Trav have no power to stop.

Testifying of JESUS after His death and resurrection, just as ALL the Apostles did since Pentecost pointing to those FIRST PROPHECIES of Jesus Christ as SAVIOR where THIS SALVATION is based SOLELY in Jesus death and resurrection. To eat my flesh and drink my blood AKA I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST, what the NT preaches Romans 10:9-10. GAL 2:20-21, COLOSSIANS 2, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Romans 16:24-27, John 12:32Hebrews 13:20-21, Hebrews 10, Hebrews 2, John 3:16. Scripture Trav omits.

Trav your rantings are powerless but humorous. Get a grip.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/21


Let's do take Judas as the perfect example here. Seeing the OT Prophicied two different comings of Jesus, one as the savior who would die for our sin...Isaiah 53, and the other as KING fulfilling all those promises Trav posts. Judas betrayed Jesus because , like Trav, Judas didn't believe in the FIRST , and only believed in those Trav posts. So seeing Jesus didn't set up His earthly reign RIGHT THEN, overthrowing gentile power over Israel re: Rome, Judas thought Jesus was a fraud .

This is also addressed in John 6....read the WHOLE CHAPTER. Many from Israel wanted to make Jesus KING RIGHT THEN, where these were equated with Judas...just read to the end of John. Those who betrayed Jesus only believed in those OTHER promises.
---kathr4453 on 7/12/21


NOW YOU SAY THAT HERE AND NOW or stick a sock in it.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/21

Ha. Timothy commands, Christ commands, GOD who created Adam commands you stick a drawer of socks in it. I command you as well false one.

Psa 120:3What shall be given unto thee? or what shall be done unto thee, thou false tongue?
Psa 120:6My soul hath long dwelt with him that hateth peace.
Psa 120:7I am for peace: but when I speak, they are for war.
---Trav on 7/12/21


Yes God chose Israel to be HIS special people on EARTH. To be a light to the Nations... Not a light to itself. The Glory of God is that light. The Nations are all else in the world.

Israel is the wife of God, His workmate, bringing in the promised Messiah through Israel alone through the line of Judah and of the seed of David. But non of that GUARANTEED ETERNAL LIFE. Just look at Judas... And so many Jews from the beginning who died in their sins. That truth Trav. And every day more and more Jews die in their sin because CULTS LIKE YOURS give false hope and DO NOT PREACH JESUS CHRIST. So special or not NO CHRIST... NO BLESSINGS... NO ETERNAL LIFE.

NOW YOU SAY THAT HERE AND NOW or stick a sock in it.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/21


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All promises regarding eternal life or to Israel the Nation are fulfilled ONLY IN JESUS CHRIST. Anything else is climbing over some other way. Genesis 3:15 is addressed to BOTH OF THE ABOVE.The MESSIAH Jesus fulfills those promises to Israel too.

Prophesy is REITERATING what God has already said and both men and women OF ISRAEL according to Joel and Acts are included in THAT PROPHECY. You have no authority to decide who can and can't prophesy. Your OPINIONS AND THEORIES are not scripturally grounded.

If you lied on one account re OTHER CREATURES NOT OF ADAM, then you are capable of lying in ALL AREAS of scripture. Theories are not scripture... They are fables... And you tell many of them.. aka FIBBLES. OR FIBS.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/21


STILL FUTUTE PROPHECY.
Seeing things not there is a mental issue.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/21

It would be your issue. I post scripture that refutes you. Frustrating your doctrine. If scripture does it and you have problems it is your personal problems.
Argue with prophets, Christ, Apostles.
I wont.
Past present future it remains Israels promises and Covenants.

Preaching teaching erratic things you cannot grasp or connect scripturally is your disobedience to answer for.
Deu 10:15Only the LORD had a delight in thy fathers to love them, and he chose their seed after them, even you above all people, as it is this day.
Deu 14:2. a peculiar people unto himself, above all the nations that are upon the earth.
---Trav on 7/11/21


Trav:

You wrote: Yes because I do know. Simple deduction.

Deduction is YOUR OWN OPINION - the opinion of a man. Opinions may be right, and they may be wrong. You think disagreeing with you is the same as disagreeing with God. This is supreme arrogance, and for the sake of your own soul, you need to stop putting yourself on the same level as God.

I NEVER said "THEY haven't, won't". I'm not saying that branch is gone - only that the wild branch Jesus mentioned was somebody else.

You keep putting words in people's mouths they never said, and then condemning them for it. Please STOP!
---StrongAxe on 7/11/21


The Nation of Israel was never said to be called to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ. So if they have, then again the foundation is Jesus Christ. Then they would all have Pauls testimony in Philippians 3. Paul said his Jewish heritage was DUNG compared to the excellency and knowledge of knowing Jesus Christ, being conformed to HIS DEATH, etc.

And you say ALL the Nth House today have THIS TESTIMONY? Not today's Samaritans.....who still practice animal sacrifice! You don't even have this testimony. So how could you KNOW others do or don't ? I'm not some silly woman letting ANYONE sneak in my house ever learning and NEVER COMING TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH 2Timothy 3.

Plus PAUL wrote Timothy...not TIM.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/21


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The foundation of ALL PROMISES in scripture regardless , is in Jesus Christ.
I find it interesting Trav calls these truths a lie.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/21

Ill give you truth. All promises are too All Israel.

Rom 8:30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Rom 9:4Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,

Rom 9:5Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
---Trav on 7/10/21


Trav's doctrine can only be swallowed if you believe Trav interpretation of scripture. But Trav has contradicted himself so often here and there and when pointing this out to him, he becomes hostile....like the proverb goes....correct a brother and he will love you, correct a scoffer and he will hate and curse you. It's obvious the only one cursing here is Trav. He has some sort of imaginary persecution complex he loves playing on.

No one is against ANY PROMISES to Israel. Only against you insisting all has been fulfilled .....IT HAS NOT. THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST HAS NOT BEEN FULFILLED. And many prophecies concerning Israel THE NATION, are AT AND AFTER THE SECOND COMING . Zechariah 12-14.
---kathr4453 on 7/11/21


Trav:
How presumptuous of you-
How do you KNOW that "wild olives" describe the split and scattered dispersion of the northern tribes?
---StrongAxe on 7/10/21

Yes because I do know. Simple deduction. He chose a people, his right, his decision. This people split. He promises they will rejoin. You say they didn't, haven't, wont. Because you have not seen, or looked. Blind-You choose blindness.
Lev 20:26And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.

Deu 7:6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
---Trav on 7/11/21


Trav:

You keep using the term "Israel's Scripture", a term that means nothing to anyone but you. I keep asking you what you specifically mean by that, but you have yet to explain what it means. Why do you keep avoiding this question?

Why do you use a term that nobody else uses, instead of terms that everybody understands, like "Bible", "Old Testament", etc.?
---StrongAxe on 7/11/21


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Trav

-because scripture NOWHERE says this.
---StrongAxe on 7/10/21

If you believed GOD then you would believe he does what he says he will do. He chose a people. Called them a servant people, an olive tree, wife, over 60 metaphorical names. He divorced scattered 10 parts of twelve. He states many times he will rejoin this people. Possible only through death of Christ.

Jer 11:16The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.
Jer 11:17 For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, -
---Trav on 7/11/21


I find it interesting Trav calls these truths a lie.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/21

Your lie above underlines your interest in your own lies.
Your desperate fear and attack of Israels scriptures I post tells all.

Jer 33:24 Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.

Jer 31:1At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
Eze 37:28 And the gentiles shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 7/9/21


Trav:

How presumptuous of you to claim YOU worship the one true God, but others don't, even though both worship the same God.

How do you KNOW that "wild olives" describe the split and scattered dispersion of the northern tribes? You don't. You just deduce that using your own particular approach to scripture interpretation, because scripture NOWHERE says this.

Yes, all other nations are related. Look at the Table of Nations in the Old Testament, that shows how all nations of the world are all descended from Noah, and thus from Adam. Your theory that there are other humans not from Adam is totally unscriptural.
---StrongAxe on 7/10/21


The few Samaritans today , are a mixed race sect of Judiasm, who adhere only to the first five books in the Bible, and do not believe in the prophets of the rest of scripture. They actually continue to practice animal sacrifices. OOHY! So these folks have not been grafted in YET. So unless they REPENT they will face the wrath of God.

So let's analyze here....are these Samaritans just WALLA grafted in no matter what they believe OR will they have to believe the PROPHETS regarding Jesus death and resurrection and EVERY WORD OF HEBREWS 10. RE THE NEW COVENANT. So if this is FUTURE STILL, then exactly what has been fulfilled ? They are not practicing THE NEW COVENANT...HEBREWS 10 IS ALSO THE NEW COVENANT.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/21


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The foundation of ALL PROMISES in scripture regardless , is in Jesus Christ. He is the very foundation. Trav just wants to pick and choose promises without a foundation. SINKING SAND. Jesus is the ROCK we build upon.

To ENTER into HIS REST, whether to the Nation of Israel during the 1000 year KINGDOM REIGN , or ENTERING INTO REST aka ETERNAL LIFE...SALVATION JESUS CHRIST IS STILL THIS FOUNDATION.

Without this foundation one is building on sinking sand. Jesus also addresses the SINKING SAND crowd.

Faith in Jesus Christ is an absolute no matter what promises you want to claim.

I find it interesting Trav calls these truths a lie.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/21


Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

This would support Strongaxe post.

Luke 24:25 Jesus calling those in Israel fools, for not believing (re: NO FAITH) the prophets about Jesus Christ, who was standing right there in their faces. And so scripture has always said ....THE JUST SHALL LIVE BY FAITH. Not faith in faith, but FAITH IN GOD'S PROMISE OF THE SAVIOR/ REDEEMER. JOB not even of Israel said...I KNOW THAT MY REDEEMER LIVETH Job 19:25. That faith that has always been in the Promise of the Messiah who we now know as Jesus Christ. The very first PROMISE of the Messiah is in Genesis 3:15.
---kathr4453 on 7/9/21


Trav:
This is what the metaphor of wild olive branches being grafted onto the main olive plant is all about.
---StrongAxe on 7/8/21

Your GOD changes, mine doesnt.
Olive Tree. Only Israel was described as such. The divorced, split and scattered dispersion is the Nth House wild Olives. No one else.

Strangers, there are 8 Hebrew words describing such in the OT. There are 10 different kinds of strangers in the N.T.
Cornelius in Acts 10 is described as being of another nation, in greek is Allophules, same kind, kindred tribe.

The woman at the well said her father Jacob dug the well. She was Israel.
---Trav on 7/9/21


Trav:

This is not copying. This is not flattery. It is "quotation", so one knows exactly what is being discussed.

Yes, the promises were to Abraham's genetic seed. However, even in the Old Testament, there were provisions that allowed foreigners to become part of Israel, and thus become heir to the promise. Ruth was one such example. This is what the metaphor of wild olive branches being grafted onto the main olive plant is all about.

Even though, before his death, Jesus ministered only to the "lost sheep of the House of Israel", he did make exceptions for foreigners with great faith - e.g. the Woman at the Well, and the Centurion, whom he said had greater faith than he had seen in all Israel.
---StrongAxe on 7/8/21


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Romans 9:7-8 Reiterating again. THE SEED that overshadowed Mary was GOD'S SEED. So the promise of THIS SEED IS JESUS CHRIST.

And the CHILDREN OF PROMISE are those OF FAITH , are CHILDREN OF GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. ROMANS 8...

The children of the flesh SCRIPTURE CLEARLY SAYS ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF "THIS" PROMISE.

AGAIN: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/21


Hummmmmm.
Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made.

Galatians 3:29<
---kathr4453 on 7/7/21

How flattering to be copied. Well almost. Keep trying. Something may stick.
Your lesson today is Zera. Zera is hebrew for seed. Strongs 896-7 ref 2233. Always genetic, no exceptions.
Sperma in NT.

Gen 17:7I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.

Isa 44:1br>Isa 44:2
Isa 44:3.: I will pour my spirit upon thy seed (zera), and my blessing upon thine offspring:
Luk 1:55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed (sperma) for ever.
---Trav on 7/8/21


2 Timothy 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

THE PROMISE of etermal life was made before the foundation of the world. Titus 1:2.

THIS PROMISE is the promise of the SEED who is Christ Jesus. Hebrews 2:16. And THIS PROMISE was given to Abraham that in him will ALL FAMILIES OF THE EARTH BE BLESSED.

Now THIS PROMISE is not to be confused with the promises given to the NATION OF ISRAEL...promising a return to the Land, earthly blessings etc in the EARTHLY reign of Jesus Christ. Isaiah 14. RE "on earth as it is in heaven" ....HASNT HAPPENED YET.
Satan is not bound yet. Two entirely different promises.
---kathr4453 on 7/8/21


AGAIN Trav proves his ignorance of scripture OR his Book of Israel omit these verses. Hummmmmm. OR Trav loves humiliating himself.


Galatians 3:16
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many, but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. NOT VICE VERSA
---kathr4453 on 7/7/21


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POOF...THERE GOES TRAV IGNORANCE."AGAIN"


Romans 9:7-8

7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.


You know Trav, if you stuck a sock in it, and just listened TO GOD'S WORD you might actually learn something. I wonder how God feels you always calling him a liar ....id hate to be in your shoes on judgement day.
---kathr4453 on 7/7/21


Trav,
SARAH is the free woman, and in Isaac will thy seed be called...not SEEDS as of many but SEED and the SEED is Jesus Christ.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/21

You speak always to your own embarrassment by lack of knowledge and understanding.
May blindness give sight to those it was intended to. The Sheep.

The seed / Sperma offspring of Abraham/Israel. Translation for Seed is sperma, physical not spiritual.

Luk 1:54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,

Luk 1:55As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Luk 1:72To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant,

Poof! There went your false doctrine
---Trav on 7/7/21


Trav, You are obsessed with ones flesh, tribe, etc and rail against anyone who points that out to you. And you make up things out of left field. Universalist Balaam, the Book of Israel, Cherry Olive pies, other creatures not from Adam, deny the flood of the whole world, Gentiles being Jews ...and the list goes on and on....it's YOU who's guilty of ALL you accuse others. It's called GASLIGHTING Trav, and is no longer a secret as how it works. We've lived with it the last 4 years. It doesn't work....

Scream, rant, falsely accuse all you want. And we see none of that is the fruit of the Spirit. You can't even create smoke for your smokescreen. Your sins are laid bare for all to see, except you.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/21


Rev 3:9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 7/5/21

And this verse Trav keep bludgeoning is a dead give away as to Trav doctrine. CHRISTIANS Jews don't go around claiming superiority as all those IN CHRIST are a NEW CREATURE, NEITHER JEW OR BARBARIAN, ....

So the only ones who would do that would be Trav's doctrine, ARMSTRONGISM, MORMONS, (JW...think they are the 144,000 ) and so on. The CHURCH makes no such claim.

And seeing Trav hates The REMNANT Rev 12:17, who have the testimony of Jesus. If it quacks like a duck....it's a duck.
---kathr4453 on 7/6/21


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Ok Trav, you say Jeremiah 31:32 has come to pass....GREAT.
So me being Jewish I HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT,

So CHECKMATE
---kathr4453 on 7/4/21


You have a spirit but, it cannot be described holy. Rather the opposite.
Holy spirit does not lie, create false witnesses. Disobey scripture, regarding women. Rail against prophets, gossip, slander, brawl, create false doctrines through total misunderstanding of scripture.

You jewish? Ha. Prove it. Esau maybe, Universalist Balaam most surely.

Rev 3:9Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie, behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
---Trav on 7/6/21


Ok Trav, you say Jeremiah 31:32 has come to pass....GREAT. So me being Jewish I HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT, and you being none of them do not. So now who do these verses you hurled at another really apply to? YOU. Too funny.


Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.


Seeing you are from the bondwoman it appears you are the outcast...by your own doctrine. And you being void of the Holy Spirit disqualifies you from teaching anyone.

So CHECKMATE

BYE BYE TRAV.
---kathr4453 on 7/4/21


David and Trav hate TEACHERS ,
---kathr4453 on 7/2/21

I rarely agree wit you but, you have noticed scornfully i have no tolerance for false teachers like yourself for instance. Lets do a verse right here. On hate and on love.

Psa 119:128 Therefore I esteem all thy precepts concerning all things to be right, and I hate every false way.

Pro 9:8Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee: rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee.
---Trav on 7/4/21


Trav nor David know what being given a spiritual gift is for the work of the ministry.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/21

The spirit you project is never found in scripture, never authorized by GOD, Christ or Apostle. It is false, self created.

This spirit does provide a venue to post truths in scripture rarely discussed in any forum. These scriptures call for study and comparison.
David is a searcher, researcher he asks, he knocks he will find and it will be given to him as scripture promises. Israel or not.
David has fear and intelligence enough to never go against a prophet, apostle or our Lord.
Whether we agree or align totally is not a divide with us. It is another set of mind / eyes / heart for GOD.
---Trav on 7/2/21


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Trav nor David know what being given a spiritual gift is for the work of the ministry. God never excluded women from HIS BODY or HIS GIFTS.

David and Trav hate TEACHERS , and stating so HATE GOD and how GOD WORKS. Jesus never gave a GIFT to be Him. Only GIFTS to GROW UP INTO HIM,( and is not about the Nation of Israel) and every single GIFT in the BODY is necessary for that purpose. Their objection is to tear that down and trample it. The Body compliments one another in truth , yet they make horrible accusations EXPOSING THEMSELVES. Those IN CHRIST can take correction, ......but the sarcasm, arrogance filthy talk, false doctrine etc gives them away. Colossians 3:8. Seeing David encourages this he is partakers of Trav sin.
---kathr4453 on 7/2/21


Yes we are all given GIFTS for the purpose of not being taken in by those who cunningly deceive. THE SCRIPTURES THAT MAKE TRAV SO ANGRY.

Eph 4: 11 And he gave some, apostles, and some, prophets, and some, evangelists, and some, pastors and teachers, 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ. 14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive,
---kathr4453 on 7/1/21


David and Trav:
We must all diligent to ensure.
---StrongAxe on 6/30/21

I agree. You and teacher are not everyone or represent everyone. Your arrogance in part. When provided with multiple scriptures you two in total defensive fear start personal assaults, and open yourself up to even more scripture. Making a unique opportunity in this Book of Israel for me to reveal/post verses that never would be posted otherwise. Your doctrines cannot post their specific scripture but, I will.
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
---Trav on 7/1/21


Trav:

Genesis 7:4: For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights, and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

If some things weren't destroyed, that means God didn't make them (because he destroyed EVERY living thing he made).

Your theory requires that someone other than God created things. Who, exactly?

Your convoluted theory requires you to dig a large and large pit for yourself.
---StrongAxe on 7/1/21


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Trav:
Flood killed *ALL* humans except Noah, his sons, and wives.
Or, perhaps you're just wrong in this theory?
---StrongAxe on 6/30/21

Perhaps you are wrong in yours. Well drop the perhaps part.
There was a flood but it did not cover the entire world. Foolish kid stuff. Noah was perfect in his generations implying he was the last.
Several civilizations records march right through flood timeline. instead of an abrupt stop. Science, sheer volume of plant, animal species, weight of water volume, etc witness against global. Except in Genesis 1:2-10.
Check the Hebrew word Erets. it is key. The whole erets was covered. Land or country was a translator option.
---Trav on 7/1/21


We can not show them the truth, they must seek it on their own. For when you see yourself as the teacher, and not Jesus Christ, whatever you teach becomes your truth.
---David on 7/1/21

WE....you mean you and Trav? HILARIOUS....my laugh for TODAY. DAVID SEES HIMSELF AS JESUS CHRIST. This is why David sees himself SINLESS LIKE JESUS CHRIST. And why David doesn't understand the Gospel OF GOD. AKA THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST AKA THE GOSPEL OF SALVATION.

David does not see Jesus Christ as God in the flesh.

And I think his PENTECOSTAL background is where he got his false teaching about the Holy Spirit too. But David's TEACHINGS HERE are NOT what Trav is TEACHING either. Who's TEACHING should we believe...David's or Trav?
---kathr4453 on 7/1/21


I was indocd like them in my youth. Trav

Trav
I was raised Protestant, but outside of baptism, never really followed or understood the salvation part of the doctrine. I simply trusted in the wisdom of my teachers.

I wasnt a teacher, just a student. And because I saw myself only as a student, I continued to seek the Truth and found my way. I have turned many away from false doctrines, but I have never turned one of the teachers.

We can not show them the truth, they must seek it on their own. For when you see yourself as the teacher, and not Jesus Christ, whatever you teach becomes your truth.
---David on 7/1/21


Trav:

You claim not all men are descendents of Adam, but this is impossible. The Flood killed *ALL* humans except Noah, his sons, and wives. Every human alive today is descended from Noah, who was descended from Adam.

So where did "other men who are not descended from Adam" come from? I can think of several possible explanations, all ludicrous:
1) God created them after the Flood, but never mentioned them
2) God made a second ark, but never mentioned it
3) They were brought here later, perhaps by aliens?

I'm looking forward to hearing your explanation of how such men, not descended from Adam, could be alive on earth today.

Or, perhaps you're just wrong in this theory?
---StrongAxe on 6/30/21


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David. Oh how funny. 2Th is Paul proclaiming the Gospel of Paul... Ha ha you say IS a delusion. THE WAY YOU TWO contradict yourselves is hilarious .

However it could be YOU and TRAV UNDER DELUSIONS. Didn't you have a delusion you were carried up to the third heaven just like Paul? I call that delusional, seeing you didn't come back with the same understanding as Paul.

Your condescending comments are describing you two. My laugh for the day. WATCH YOUR JUDGEMENT OF OTHERS DAVID, seeing you and Trav don't even preach the same Gospel ... yet you never say anything about him EXCLUDING YOU FROM SALVATION. WHY IS THAT?
---kathr4453 on 6/30/21


My question to you is this. When God creates this delusion, Do you believe he has given up on?
---David on 6/30/21

Ill try to keep it in scripture. I was indocd like them in my youth.
I craved truth as an adult. They are afraid. GOD the potter can do what he wants whether we agree, or not. I prefer to agree. What true believer goes against Prophets?
There is this:Mat 13:13Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not, and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
Mat 13:14 in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand, and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Mat 13:15For this people's heart is waxed gross .
---Trav on 6/30/21


David and Trav:

We must all diligent to ensure we aren't swept up by delusion. It is the height of hubris to assume everyone else is deluded but you aren't. Hubris makes one vulnerable to delusion.

I constantly re-examine my own assumptions, to ensure I am not accidentally being led astray. Do you?

Even Paul rebuked Peter. To assume my disagreeing with YOU means I am "against Christ" is sheer arrogance, exactly like the scene in Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix where the Pharisaical Delores Umbridge says "To question my practices is to question the Ministry, and by extension, the Minister himself. I am a tolerant woman, but the one thing I will not stand for is disloyalty."
---StrongAxe on 6/30/21


2Th 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:---Trav

Trav
Thank you for the reminder my friend. For we must remind ourselves of this passage when dealing with folks under these delusions. When people, can not see their doctrines are the complete opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ, you know it is a Strong Delusion.

At first I argued against them in the hope they would turn, but when I realized they were against Christ, I am here to simply to open the eyes of those folks who are still on the fence.

My question to you is this. When God creates this delusion, Do you believe he has given up on folks like Kathrine and StrongAxe, Or can the delusion be removed?
---David on 6/30/21


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There is no such thing as the Gospel of Paul. So David asking people where "The Gospel of Paul" is located, I'm surprised anyone who knows what the Gospel is would answer as David says. I believe David just made that up based on his own faulty understanding creating a straw man that does not exist.

Paul says the Gospel is 1Cor 15:1-4.....about Jesus death and resurrection, based on the PROPHETS AND APOSTLES, even more detailed in Romans 1 where Paul uses the word GOSPEL no less than 3 times in just the first 17 verses.

Peter James etc gave Paul the right hand of fellowship in their ALL PREACHING THE GOSPEL ...the exact same Gospel JESUS taught them.
---kathr4453 on 6/29/21


In English, "of" has several meanings. Book of Isaiah = book written BY Isaiah. Epistle of Jude = letter written TO Jude. Book of Kings = book written ABOUT kings.

Possessives are similar. "my book" = "the book of me", which can mean "the book I bought and own", or if I'm an author, "the book I wrote", or even "a biography someone else wrote about me".

So "Gospel of Christ" is ambiguous, because it can mean the story Jesus taught, or the story ABOUT Jesus, written by others.

Most of what Jesus taught publicly was not about theology. It was about how to live, and how to treat others. The Sermon on the Mount. The Golden Rule. Most theology came from Paul.
---StrongAxe on 6/29/21


Truth is the key to understanding where to find the Gospel.
To argue what Jesus taught in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, is not the Gospel, is like telling the world the word of Jesus Christ, is not the Truth.
---David on 6/29/21

Really well stated above.
Have mentioned here to a couple here that their doctrines teach that Christ failed.

While I never considered the OT prophets the first 40 years of my life. Christ stated he came to fulfill them is Christs witnesses that he was who prophecy said he was..
Those that crave truth seek it, ask for it and find it.
Those that dont .crave delusions.

2Th 2:11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
---Trav on 6/29/21


Truth is the key to understanding where to find the Gospel. For Truth is why it is called a Gospel. Though we find more than one Gospel mentioned in the New Testament, there is but one Truth.

If asked, Where is the Gospel of Paul? I will say, without any argument from others, his Gospel is found in his Epistles.

But If asked, Where is the Gospel of Jesus Christ? I will say it is found in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And then, there will be an argument.

To argue what Jesus taught in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, is not the Gospel, is like telling the world the word of Jesus Christ, is not the Truth.
---David on 6/29/21


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Trav:

One rarely translates word for word. Different languages have different grammars. Some require some words to be written, others imply them. Spanish "estoy bueno" means "[I] am good". "I" is implied but not written.

In many languages, when an adjective is used without a noun, the noun is implied. E.g. "all" means "all men". What else could it mean? "all things"? If so, "all men" would ALSO be included anyway. Also, in cases like this, "men" means "human beings", not "male human beings". You will see this in places where "men" is actually explicitly written, as "males" uses a different word.
---StrongAxe on 6/28/21


Trav it's YOU who does not approve of ALL SCRIPTURE CONCERNING JESUS. THE JESUS THE JEWS CRUCIFIED AND REJECTED. Why don't you post THOSE VERSES? Because you are only telling 1/2 the truth, misleading ....
---kathr4453 on 6/28/21


What is interesting about Trav comments here, is HE NEVER LIFTS UP JESUS .
---kathr4453 on 6/27/21

But you dont approve of the Jesus in scripture i post. The one that redeems Israel.
Zec 8:13.ye were a curse among the gentiles, O house of Judah, and house of Israel, so will I save you, and ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
Luk 1:68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Gal 4:5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Heb 9:15.by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
---Trav on 6/28/21


What is interesting about Trav comments here, is HE NEVER LIFTS UP JESUS to begin with. And when the Apostles did at Pentecost they were persecuted by other Jews who did not want Jesus LIFTED UP....believing it was worshipping another God...even Paul murdering Christians before his conversion.

So then God sends the Gospel to GENTILES where Jesus is LIFTED UP, preaching to Greeks,heathans barbarians etc, to PROVOKE ISRAEL TO JEALOUSY.

I wonder if Trav ever THINKS THROUGH what he posts.

Acts 17:30......does ALL MEN there not really mean ALL MEN EVERYWHERE?
---kathr4453 on 6/27/21


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This is the heart of the Gospel..
.
, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."
John 12:31,32
---JS1234 on 6/25/21

You have a catholic type heart wanting the very best for all, which is commendable.

This verse has men in italics which means it was never in the original. translators added it. They had choices of meanings, I counted 17+. So that leaves us where? If truth is important, it leads one to research context and intent.
Scriptural Context in broadest, doesnt align witnesses drawing All men. For instance, women might feel slighted. one here in comes to mind.

when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw _____to myself."
John 12:31,32

Draw who?
---Trav on 6/27/21


Sorry, I meant to pair Isaiah 61:1 with Luke 4:18. When Jesus read this from the OT the Pharisees hair was on fire because they knew this was PROPHECY about the Messiah and were furious Jesus implied it was about Him ...which it was/is.

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor, he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
---kathr4453 on 6/25/21


This is the heart of the Gospel..

"Now is the judgment of this world, now shall the ruler of this world be cast out, and I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself."

John 12:31,32
---JS1234 on 6/25/21


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