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What Was Paul's Gospel

If Paul taught the same gospel as those before him, then why did he call it my gospel three times?

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Faith never change. We see this when reading Hebrews 11, showing from Abel to today Faith has always been the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

When the Kingdom Come is here on earth there will be no need for faith, as all things will be evident , Jesus Christ on the Throne of David Reigning and Ruling. There is no Kingdom Come without the King Jesus on His earthly thrown.

Back to faith, Abel looked forward to the redeemer, as did all those in the Old Covenant too. The Law is not of faith, so it was not a different kind of faith. No one under the Old Covenant stopped believing in the redeemer just because they were under the law. They just didn't believe Jesus was the promised one.
---Samuel on 9/26/21


Why are the teachings of Paul so confusing?
He teaches, "Not by works but by Grace", in one place, and in another place,(Romans 2:7) To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life....he seemingly teaches that we are saved by works.

What Paul is saying is this...Works under The Law of Moses, is different than Works under the Law of Christ.
In what ways?
If I don't kill you, steal, or lie to you, are these acts of Love?
No!

If you are hungry, and I feed you, or cold and I buy you a coat, are these acts of Love?
Yes!!!

Both are called works, but only one will cause you to grow in the Grace of God, those in (Romans 2:7)
---David on 9/25/21


The book of Romans is essentially written as a teaching, given through Pauls personal testimony. An experience the disciples did not share. So how could not teach an experience they did not share with us?

This is why you don't see any of the disciples giving their testimonies.
---David on 9/24/21


The Law came by Moses, Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ. John 1:17

Being saved by Grace through Faith is what Paul was given, (a dispensation of the Grace of God.) Eph 3:2. What exactly does that mean? What was Paul given no one else was given?

Grace here is what we should be looking at. If all from the beginning were saved by Grace through Faith then Paul's gospel was not different. So what is this dispensation of Grace about? It didn't come in the Old Testament, it came by Jesus Christ.

Michael_e you seem to be contradicting your post on 9/21. Peter's of works vs Pauls of free???

The content of faith never changes. Faith will always be tested no matter what dispensation one lives in.
---Samuel on 9/24/21


Although every man at any time is saved by the grace of God through faith, the content of faith differs from one dispensation to the next. That is, the message that is offered and believed for righteousness and salvation varies according to Gods progressive revelation.
These different gospels can be understood by a careful study of Scripture making sure to rightly divide according to what had been revealed (2 Tim 2:15).
---michael_e on 9/23/21




You are saying only Paul applied the teachings of Jesus and the other 12 did not?---Samuel

Samuel
Sorry for the confusion brother.
What I am saying, is the Lords disciples were chosen (John 15:16) before the Lords resurrection, and Paul was chosen after the resurrection.

This is why the disciples and Paul appear to be teaching two different gospels. In Pauls epistles, we have a testimony of someone who was saved, in the same manner in which we are being saved.

The Lords disciples were saved, because they remained loyal and followed Jesus Christ. We are saved by following the teachings of Jesus Christ, given to us through Gods Holy Spirit. When we read Paul, we can see if we are following the same path.
---David on 9/23/21


Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

All sin is done away in Christ. To suggest Jews have to wait for their sin to be forgiven while Gentiles sin is now forgiven is not found in scripture. God has concluded 'All have sinned' and is no respecter of persons.

John said of Jesus ' Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin OF THE WORLD.' The author of Hebrews (God) disagrees with you. The only sin is rejecting Christ.
---Samuel on 9/23/21


Prophetically, holy days for Israel spoke to the future time of promised salvation. Passover was a shadow of Christs death. The feast of unleavened bread his burial. The feast of firstfruits his resurrection. The day of atonement was a shadow for the day in Israels future when their sins would be atoned once and for all.
Daniels prophesied of the final reconciliation for iniquity that would occur at the end of those weeks (Dan 9:24).

Peter preached since Jesus was Israels final sacrifice, they had opportunity for their sins to be blotted out in the future when he returned with the times of refreshing.(Acts 3:19)
Paul mentions future time of fulfillment of their final day of atonement when all Israel shall be saved (Romans 11:26).
---michael_e on 9/22/21


David, your last post made no sense. You are saying only Paul applied the teachings of Jesus and the other 12 did not? Can you show scripture the other 12 did not apply the Lord's teachings?

You had me until you lost me.

I agree Paul was well learned in the scriptures, where the others were not scholars. Paul was showing through Old Testimony Prophecy that salvation to all families of the earth would be fulfilled at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Those prophecies concerned salvation to Jew and Gentile alike. Yes many have different experiences in their salvation, but there is only one way to salvation. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Samuel on 9/22/21


In conclusion,Paul's gospel is different, because he achieved salvation through the applied teachings of Jesus Christ. Paul's gospel, is the teaching of that experience, an experience different from the one of the Lords disciples.
---David on 9/22/21




Paul was a highly regarded, educated teacher. Highly regarded like Billy Graham and others are seen today. A teacher is much like a shepherd is to a flock. Where the shepherd leads the sheep will follow.

Paul, due to his past experience as a teacher of the Law of Moses, was a shepherd to his people. So what Jesus did was to take a shepherd of the people, to turn the flock into another direction, a new covenant.

Remember, the majority of Jews rejected Jesus himself as the messiah. They rejected him as their shepherd, so naturally they would reject his disciples too. So in his wisdom, Jesus took Paul, one already seen by the people as a shepherd, and then many of the Jews followed. (Mark 2:21)
---David on 9/22/21


The wall that separated Jews from Gentiles had been broken down. . How can the walls be broken down?

I don't believe God is the author of confusion.
---Phil on 9/20/21

The Wall. Refers to the wall between the Nth House of Israel Divorced/ put away and the Sth House of Judah.

Eph 2:16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Heb 8:8, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Gentile is a 500 year Latin Vulgate creation. Paul never uttered this word. But the RCC sure ha$.
Protestant Sheep never look further.
---Trav on 9/22/21


Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

John the Baptist preached the one who comes after him, Jesus Christ will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

michael_e , did I read you correctly saying their sins would be forgiven in the future at the time of refreshing?

You are misunderstanding Peter who was quoting Prophecy from the Old Covenant , showing the promise of forgivness and refreshing had now been fulfilled in Jesus Christ right then. The very gift of the Holy Spirit and refreshing IS salvation.

Today is the day of Salvation.
---Samuel on 9/22/21


Michael_e, I think you are getting ahead of yourself and contradicting here. You first said Peter James John preached to the Circumcision only, and just now said they were told their sins would be forgiven in the future at a time of refreshing. Is this correct?

One book in our scriptures all Christians today believed over and over is 1st John 1:9, 1st John 2:12 showing our sins are forgiven here and now by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Please read Acts 20:28 with 1st Peter 1:18-19. Paul in Acts 20, and Peter are in agreement the Church was also purchased with the blood of Jesus Christ and are in full agreement.

The same Gospel.
---Phil on 9/22/21


Peter offered the baptismal remission of sins through repentance (Acts 2:38). Peter says their sins will be blotted out at the future times of refreshing. In neither instance does he offer faith in the blood for righteousness. Nor are his offers of salvation unconditional or free, but are accompanied with baptisms and repentance.

In contrast Paul preaches the cross according to the revelation of the mystery not revealed or known to Peter (Rom 16:25, Eph 3:4). Paul preaches salvation to a man who worketh not, receives atonement immediately, and is separate from the message of baptism taught by John the Baptist (Rom 4:5, Rom 5:11, 1 Cor 1:17).
---michael_e on 9/21/21


Strongaxe, there are today many perverted gospels yes. I was sticking with the perverted Gospel Paul was speaking of in Galatians. Perverting the Gospel the Judaizers were bringing into Galatia, Paul was upset about, who came with Peter, separating themselves from the Gentiles. This would be in keeping with this "other Gospel" michael_e appears to be talking about. This shows there was no "other Gospel" God gave Peter. Paul said there is no "other Gospel". They had perverted the Gospel. Paul rebukes Peter for hypocrisy, not for intruding on his territory.
---Samuel on 9/21/21


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Samuel:

Another "gospel" that perverts the message of Christ is the Prosperity Gospel. It turns God into Santa Claus In The Sky. Spirituality is no longer measured by wisdom, but by wealth.Anyone who isn't rich is automatically Doing It Wrong.

It's pushed by mega-evangelists with multiple mansions, luxury cars, yachts, and private jets - paid for by millions of followers who scrape to make ends meet. They encourage followers to go into debt "to prove their faith" by sending them money.

Their hypocrisy is evident. If you need money, they tell YOU to pray and have faith. But if THEY need money, they don't do that - they PREY and whine for their supporters to mail them checks.
---StrongAxe on 9/21/21


Paul is saying there is not another Gospel, but only a perverted Gospel being preached. The perverted Gospel is the Kingdom Come Gospel putting Gentiles in submission to the Jews. See Colossians 2, " A shadow of things to come", meaning future. Only those overzealously overly dividing the word of truth would promote this false idea both were taking place at the same time.

Gal 1: 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
---Samuel on 9/21/21


The most fundamental element of mid Acts Pauline right division is that Peter (who represents Jesus earthly ministry and the twelve apostles) taught a different message than Paul, to whom was given the further revelation of the mystery of Christ.
---michael_e on 9/21/21


To answer this question, we must remember Paul was a respected teacher of the old covenant, before he became a follower of Jesus Christ, and a teacher of the New covenant.

The Lords Twelve disciples, did not have these credentials,... this credibility in the eyes of the Jews. Credibility needed, evidenced by all the titles we see in our churches today. The Lord needed this credibility, to be able to get his Jewish followers to accept the Gentiles believers. Notice in Acts, the Gentiles were not accepted by the Jews until Paul took up for them.

And Paul's Gospel, contains something not found anywhere else in the New Testament...his testimony of how he became a Son of God. In Pauls testimony, Jesus provided Footsteps we can follow.
---David on 9/21/21


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The only reason there is the testimony of Christ coming from Gentiles is because the Lord sent a special apostle directly to us Gentiles (Eph 3:1-2).

---michael_e on 9/19/21

I think what's missing is Ephesians also speaks of the new Creature being made from Jew and Gentile. Not just Gentiles. The wall that separated Jews from Gentiles had been broken down.

But you seem to be saying that only some Jews are saved by Paul's Gospel who excluded other Jews and some were saved by Peter's Gospel who excluded Gentiles. How can the walls be broken down?

I don't believe God is the author of confusion.

Paul said there is "one"faith not two, , one hope, one spirit , one baptism not two. Eph 4:4-6
---Phil on 9/20/21


MIchael_e, Peter spoke to Jews at Pentecost because that was a Jewish Holyday. Paul preached to the Jew first and then to the Gentile, and writes this over and over. So no, there are not two different Gospels being preached at the same time.

How confusing for Jews if there was, or even today.

Peter John James Jude did not preach a Kingdom Come , they preached the Gospel of salvation.

When James and Peter reflect on the sufferings of Job and the sufferings of Christ as our guide, that is addressed to all Christians today regardless of being a Jew or a Gentile and is addressed with Paul in Philippians. Same message. ' Take up your cross and follow me. Paul said "follow me the way I follow Christ."
---Samuel on 9/20/21


At Pentecost, Peter addressed only men of Israel (Acts 2:22), and later the believers scattered by persecution went to none but unto the Jews only (Acts 11:19).
When a new apostle was ordained, Peter, James, and John limited their ministry to the circumcision (Gal 2:9).

Christ sent Paul as the special apostle of the Gentiles. (Acts 22:18).
And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles. Acts 22:21
The only reason there is the testimony of Christ coming from Gentiles is because the Lord sent a special apostle directly to us Gentiles (Eph 3:1-2).
Christ sent a special apostle to you. Why wont anyone listen to him>
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ
---michael_e on 9/19/21


Because he had made it his life work. So it was who he was.

A lover of GOD and others.

1Corithians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---Samuelbb7 on 9/19/21


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Peter and Jude teach sanctification. Is this another kind of sanctification? Jesus also spoke of sanctification in John 17. So I still don't understand what you are saying. Can you be more specific?


1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Jude 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
---Samuel on 9/19/21


Paul preached the resurrection of Christ as the means of salvation and sanctification for all humanity-
---michael_e on 9/17/21

Need scripture for statement this broad.
I keep in mind Israel authored the Bible as per instruction from GOD. All Prophets, Christ the Apostles all Israel.
Words of Christ : Mat 15:24 I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Amo 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Zec 8:13 it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel, so will I save you, ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
---Trav on 9/18/21


Michael_e, when the gospel was first preached to Abraham for all nations of the world, there wasn't any talk of a Kingdom Come. That gospel was pointing to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, showing in a vision the death and resurrection.
Abraham never talked about a Kingdom.

Paul uses Abraham through out his letters in explaining the death and resurrection of Jesus. Galatians, Hebrews, Romans. They are all talking about salvation, not a kingdom.

James talks about Abraham and the faith of Abraham. I don't see a kingdom talked about in James.

I'm still confused to what you are saying. Jesus said , 'My Kingdom is not of this world.'
---Samuel on 9/18/21


The fact of the resurrection was prophesied, and both Paul and the twelve taught it (1 Cor 15:11). The resurrection of Christ was preached by Peter as proof of his Messiahship, and assurance of the kingdom come.
Peter said

Paul preached the resurrection of Christ as the means of salvation and sanctification for all humanity as part of a new creature, the church the Body of Christ.
---michael_e on 9/17/21


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What exactly was kept secret since the world began? I looked up Acts 3:21. I don't see a mystery. Are verses 22-23 talking about Jesus Christ or Paul? So should we be listening to Jesus or Paul? Michael_e, you talk in riddles. Just come out with it. What exactly did Paul preach no one else preached?

Colossians 1: 24-27 talk about a mystery kept secret now revealed. Is this the same mystery you are getting at or are there several mysteries? Ephesians use mystery many times, but never says it was kept secret.

What is Peter's mystery? Let's compare these mysteries. Peter's and Paul's. Was Jesus Christ the Mystery?
---Samuel on 9/17/21


Yes, Paul preaches the gospel which we see in 1 Corinthians 15 > the death of Jesus for our sins, His burial, and the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. And we see that the other apostles also have preached this gospel.

So, his gospel is not different.

If I say God is "my God", this does not mean I have a different God (c: than everyone else.
---Bill on 9/17/21


Paul uses both phrases the gospel and our gospel in his epistles, but when Paul mentions my gospel it shows that he had a unique message.
---michael_e on 9/15/21

He is unique in explaining who it was to using the OT. He explains it to both houses.
One house divorced with no hope of returning. The other house (his) guilty but not divorced. Jer 3:8.

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Heb 8:8.
---Trav on 9/17/21


When compared with Peters appeal to what was spoken by the prophets since the world began, there can be no doubt that there should be a distinction made with a message which had been kept secret since the world began (Romans 16:25, Acts 3:21).
---michael_e on 9/17/21


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What was the unique message given to Paul? What did Paul preach that no one else did?
---Samuel on 9/16/21


Mark 1:1 begin with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I also see Paul calls it the Gospel of God in many places.

I believe what God gave to Paul exclusively was the understanding of Gentiles also being included in the promise of salvation given to the Jews. Seeing Peter and others confirmed this, how could they confirm Paul's Gospel as another Gospel the Jews never heard before. That doesn't make sense.
---Samuel on 9/16/21


Pauls gospel message was entirely of Christ, and so Paul stands alone in calling it the gospel of Christ and Christs gospel, but that he also calls it my gospel can only be explained by the fact that Christ gave it first to Paul exclusively.
---michael_e on 9/16/21


Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Ephesians 3:2 - If ye have heard of the Dispensation of grace of God which is given me to you - ward.

Ephesians 3:3 How the revelation he made Known to me the mystery : ( As I wrote afore in few words


Romans 1:1 - Paul as a servant of Jesus Christ , called to be apostle, separated unto the gospel of God

Romans 2:2 - Which he had promised afore by his prophets, in the holy scriptures

Romans 3:3 - Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David , according to the flesh.

Romans 2:16 - In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel,
---RichardC on 9/15/21


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Paul uses both phrases the gospel and our gospel in his epistles, but when Paul mentions my gospel it shows that he had a unique message.
---michael_e on 9/15/21


My opinion . . . Paul had been voting for Christians to be executed. So, now saying the Gospel is his is his testimony that now he is a follower of Jesus Christ. And this is personal, for him, so now he stands up for Jesus.

He did not mean the Gospel he preaches is different than that of Peter and James and others of us.

Peter himself verifies that he approves of the message written by Paul.

And I personally can see that the message of Paul is the same as in the Epistle of James. I mean the meaning of how to love and the theology are the same.

Paul and James and Peter are talking about the same Jesus and the same way to love.
---Bill on 9/15/21


If Paul taught the same gospel as those before him, then why did he call it my gospel three times?
---michael_e on 9/10/21

Gospel. Good news!
Strongs Concordance
euaggelizo & #772,From G2095 and G32, to announce good news especially the gospel: - declare, bring glad (good) tidings.

Paul is careful not to change it as per scripture below.
He understands and teaches what those of the day were already changing to suit their logic. Like now.

1Ti 1:11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Unraveling what some today and yesterday ravel Michael can start with the Divorce/ putting away of the Nth House of Israel. Jer 3:1-25. Jer 31:31, Heb 8:8.
---Trav on 9/14/21


Paul uses MY GOSPEL 3 times, and THE GOSPEL over 25 times. 1) Paul says MY GOSPEL in 2 Timothy 2:8 referring to Jesus death and resurrection.

Jesus death and resurrection was prophecied in the OT. 2) Paul says MY GOSPEL is according to THE MYSTERY. Well putting these two together, we know THE MYSTERY was not Jesus death and resurrection. 3) MY GOSPEL in Romans 2, God is going to judge the hearts and minds of EVERY MAN FROM ADAM AND EVE FORWARD. THE ONLY GOSPEL was never a mystery or secret. Genesis 3:15 announced THE GOSPEL...and Abel's animal sacrifice showed they understood THE GOSPEL. So did Job. So Pauls MY GOSPEL was built upon the Apostles and prophets, not one man called Paul.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/21


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