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What Was Paul's Gospel

If Paul taught the same gospel as those before him, then why did he call it my gospel three times?

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Ephesians 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.


Scripture disagrees with you David. This is why we believe in eternal security. We were bought with the Blood of Jesus, and Peter and Paul also clarifies this. Acts 20:28 , 1 Peter 1:18-19
Redeemed also means purchased.

Unbelievers can be convicted of sin by the Holy Spirit, but not indwelt. Be careful who you call a liar.
---Samuel on 10/3/21


2 Timothy 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves, if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth.

Even repentance is of the Lord. This is what Peter was referring to in Acts 2:38. Acknowledging Jesus Christ as the promised Messiah and turning from their rejection of Him.

Ephesians again show we are sealed with the Holy Spirit after we believe. For Israel to BELIEVE they needed to repent of their rejection of their promised messiah. God is not going to give anyone the Holy Spirit if they don't believe Jesus Christ is The Promised messiah.

Repentance means to change one's mind. Peter, in Acts 2 is telling them they needed to change their minds about Jesus Christ.
---Samuel on 10/3/21


Isaiah 53:12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the [a]spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.

Impossible to put all of Isaiah 53 here.

Question Michael, does this verse apply to you? It was written exclusively to Jews correct? So you are saying on one hand Jesus died only for the sin of Jews.

So your sin was not laid on Christ correct?

Peter reiterated this in His epistles. Does Paul, or are you saved differently than others?
---Phil on 10/3/21


I have to jump in here too.
PETER
1 Peter 1:2
elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace be multiplied.

PAUL
2 Thessalonians 2:13
Stand Fast
But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,

Same Gospel message.

Why should Peter preach sanctification in Acts 2 when Paul never preached it right out of the gate everywhere he went. That is for those who are already saved who already understand justification first.
---Beena on 10/3/21


The Holy Spirit is given only to those saved. ---Samuel

I was going to stay out of this, but I want everyone to realize, this statement is blatantly false.
Why?
Because in order to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, according to the bible in (Acts 2:38), we are required to do something to receive this gift.

(Acts 2:38) KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


If we are saved when we receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and we receive the Holy Spirit when we repent and get baptized, we can save ourselves by what we do.
---David on 10/3/21




{Michael, we all crucified the Lord} Acts 2:23 2:36 says Israel crucified Him. Peter says the whole house of Israel Do you have scripture to the contrary?
Rom 5:6 Paul Says Christ in due time died for the ungodly

The mystery regarding salvation is the gospel of Christ: how any man can be justified freely by Gods grace through faith in Christ Jesus as our propitiation (Rom 3:20-26, 15:16, Eph 6:19).
The mystery revealed to Paul regarding sanctification is the identity of a new creature called the church, the one body of Christ (Rom 12:5, Eph 4:4). .
Incidentally where is the new creature in Acts 2? Do you have any scripture?
---michael_e on 10/2/21


Michael, we all crucified the Lord. My sin crucified the Lord. Peter was addressing Jews at Pentecost from all over the world coming to Jerusalem. Not all of them personally crucified the Lord either. But Jesus was Crucified died and rose again.And Peter is telling the Jews this was all prophecies IN THEIR SCRIPTURES. Why is that a problem for you? This I understand is what you believe "the Mystery"is about. So Peter from Acts 2 on preached "the mystery"of Jesus crucifixion death and resurrection.

There is only one church Michael and Jesus is Head of THE church, not A Church.

Where will you move the goal post now? You make these statements about The Mystery and then sabotage your own beliefs.
---Phil on 10/2/21


Michael_e, I find your last statement to Phil disturbing. Here's why. Our faith is based on the witness of the Apostles of Jesus' death and resurrection. You and I were not there. I don't know about you, but my faith is based on Jesus' death and resurrection Peter and the other apostles witnessed and testified to.

You must remember Jesus said, 'Salvation of OF the Jews' meaning the Jew's religion. All salvation is in the death and resurrection of Jesus.

There aren't two ways of salvation. Jesus' death and resurrection save both Jew and gentile alike.

They asked, what then must we do TO BE SAVED. Just as you and me 'BELIEVE'.

The Holy Spirit is given only to those saved. Are you dividing the Holy Spirit too?
---Samuel on 10/2/21


Phil apparently believes Acts 2 is for him. Did you murder your Messiah?. Israel has 12 tribes, you would belong to one of them
Did you sell all your possessions? Acts 2:45 Of course not. Because the Jerusalem church doesn't exist today. (Acts 8:1)
Eph 4 Paul speaking to the BoC says one baptism. He is speaking of the baptism by the Holy Spirit placing us into Christ (1 Cor 12:13)
---michael_e on 10/2/21


Apollos here is not part of Jesus earthly ministry but the BOC Paul is addressing in Corinth. He is also rebuking you too Michael_e by dividing Christ as you just did. You preach Christ is divided....showing according to Paul you are still carnal, why I said you were still a babe. You exalt Paul where he clearly rebukes anyone who does.

1 Corinthians 1:12-13

12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ.

13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
---Samuel on 10/2/21




Michael doesn't believe Acts 2 is to him. Acts 2 ! Peter testifying to the resurrection of Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ was the promised Messiah John the Baptist made the way for. John said the one who comes after him will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. This very same message Paul preached in Acts 19. So was Paul also preaching another message too? Acts 2 is addressed to all humanity that Jesus Christ who was crucified was raised up from the dead as the Prophecy mentioned in Acts shows it prophesied of His resurrection. Any other gospel not founded on Acts 2 is another gospel or no gospel at all.

There is one faith one spirit and one baptism. Not two faiths, not two baptisms not two spirits. Ephesians 4:4-6
---Phil on 10/2/21


Samuel I am talking about the Holy Sprit, the one who baptizes you into the BoC.
Apparently Apollos knew nothing of believing for salvation in Christ's death, burial, and Resurrection (faith in Christ's work plus nothing else, as taught by Paul). He was still back in Christ's earthly ministry.
I agree with David, he has every right to comment whether he agrees or disagrees with the blog.
---michael_e on 10/2/21


David,You have been trying to take this discussion in a different direction since you decided to come back here. You have missed the point and have tried to hijack this conversation. Please stop it. ---Samuel on 10/1/21

Samuel
Are you the moderator of this site?
I looked at all the rules, and I don't see where I have broken any. And If you recall, you challenged my position and I simply defended it.

A little advise:
If you don't have enough biblical knowledge to defend your position with someone...don't challenge their position. Simply tell the other person you that do not have enough knowledge, instead of saying they are a high jacker...stalker...or bully as a deflection.
---David on 10/2/21


Michael_e, what Holy Spirit are you talking about here? The one in Ephesians where we are sealed with the Holy Spirit after we believe, or the Spirit of the life of Christ that sets us free from the law of sin and death in Romans 8, or the Circumcision of the heart in the spirit and not in the letter, Paul refers to in Philippians 3?

And please explain Apollos to us all. He was preaching John the Baptists message until Pricilla and Aquilla took him aside and explained to him MORE PERFECTLY Acts 18:24-28. It doesn't say they encroached on one of Peters's converts and stole him away. Verse 28 is interesting here. See how easy those who were in Peters's church could easily transfer into Paul's Church through a FULLER UNDERSTANDING!
---Samuel on 10/2/21


What's different about Peter and the Baptist's message?
Comparing scripture with scripture. Compare Mark 1:4 to Acts 2:38
We should remember this was the message taught by John the Baptist and the twelve while they were still ignorant of tTo the message of the baptism of repentance, Peter simply adds the promised gift of the Holy Ghost.
Rom.4 written to me, Acts 2 No
Looking to Abraham as a pattern of faith without works for imputed righteousness does n't make the BoC part of the covenant of circumcision. Abraham wasn't circumcised when he was justified by faith!
---michael_e on 10/1/21


Michael_e, I have no idea what your last comment is about? I believe you are the one saying Peter preached what John the Baptist preached and that is the Kingdom restored to Israel. What other Kingdom is there? I never said it began, but said it did not begin at acts 1 and abruptly end in the middle of Acts as you seem to claim. Man cannot begin and end a dispensation. God begins and ends according to His will and purpose. Nothing can twart Gods plan and purpose. Not even Israel's unwillingness as you claim. There is only one faith Michael_e not two.
---Samuel on 10/1/21


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Samuel is this the kingdom you are talking about?

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Where did you get idea that it already happened?
The advantage of right division is that it allows us to understand Gods will and believe every word in the Bible at the same time.
The advantage of every man has always been to believe the Bible. The advantage of the church today is believing the Bible, rightly divided.
---michael_e on 10/1/21


David,You have been trying to take this discussion in a different direction since you decided to come back here. You have missed the point and have tried to hijack this conversation. Please stop it.

Michael_e Romans 4 was addressed to you. I should have started a few verses before with King David saying vs 6 and that the blessings are addressed for the forgivness of sin to both Israel and Gentiles. See vs 7. No one is forgiven of sin through works.Not even Israel. And their sins are forgiven in Christ as Paul shows. Our faith is proved through our works that it is genuine. Sin is forgiven through Faith in Jesus finished works, not ours. And Israel does not have to wait for forgiveness ... Read Romans 4 Carefully please.
---Samuel on 10/1/21


Samuel
You said Abraham was never under the Law, and that was my correction. Does the underscored scripture you posted change that fact? No, so you rejected what is clearly a written truth. Why?

Now I agree with you that God made a covenant with Abraham, because of his faith. Point being, Abrams faith was shown by his works, for 24 years, before God made a covenant with Abraham.

(Genesis 12:1-4) Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred and from thy fathers house, unto a land that I will show thee......
So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken unto him, and Lot went with him, and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
---David on 10/1/21


Michael_e, I also understand the difference between the Kingdom to Come and the Church Age, and the Church is not Israel

My understanding of the Kingdom to Come must be different than yours, because there is no way that was preached or realized in Acts , not even for a moment in time. It's a time where the Great tribulation takes place first before Jesus sets up His Kingdom on Earth. The Glorified Church, the BOC will accompany Him. If that were to have happened Jesus would have not ascended to the Father, but would have stayed after His resurrection and would have no BOC to reign and rule with Him. 2 Timothy 2:12. It didn't happen Michael_e. That is what is called rightly dividing the word of truth.
---Samuel on 10/1/21


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Samuel, back when I was a babe I believed a lot like you, then I started comparing scripture with scripture.
The BoC church was not in operation in Acts 2.
The reason is everything described in Acts 1 and 2 is what was prophesied since the world began, not a mystery kept secret.
Rightly dividing the word of truth is not cutting off Scripture for our profit. By separating the parts into their appropriate context we are in a better position to understand the whole.
The entire Bible is written for us, but not every verse is written to us or about us. All scripture is profitable, but not every passage is for our participation or obedience.
---michael_e on 9/30/21


There has been a church throughout scripture. Just as clear should be the understanding that there have been different churches based on their nature, operation, and message. The church in the wilderness isn't the church of today, the boC. The church at Jerusalem (Acts 8:1) which was at Pentecost had a different nature, operation, and message than the church today.
If we describe the church by its nature, operation, and message, then we don't find the boC in Matt 16, Acts 2, or Acts 7, Pauls epistles exclusively describe the mystery of the church, the boC.
There was a church before Paul. Did it have the same nature, operation, and message as the church the Paul describes? No.
There was a church before Paul, but it was different.
---michael_e on 9/30/21


Michael_e, I understand 2 Timothy 2:15. I do believe in dispensationalism, not yours. I believe the Church began at the beginning of Acts. Just throwing out that verse doesn't make your view correct and all others incorrect.

I also take issue with you not addressing any scripture I put here, or answer honestly any questions I have asked of you. Your evasiveness speaks volumes, one, that you are still a babe.

I have to wholeheartedly agree with Phil's last post.

The Lord has thoroughly enriched my life under Grace through James, Peter and John's epistles.

When you changed from a dispensation of Grace to a dispensation of faith without any supporting scripture, you showed your hand was empty.
---Samuel on 9/30/21


Let me reiterate here again. Let's also use some common sense here. If Paul was aware of two different Gospels he would not have written the following-
---Phil on 9/30/21

Or the additional following:
Gospel is good news. Too who? Too who it is prophesied to. Common sense is applicable.
Gal 1:8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
---Trav on 9/30/21


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Let me reiterate here again. Let's also use some common sense here. If Paul was aware of two different Gospels he would not have written the following. That is, God through Paul would not have written these verses below. If there were two faiths at the same time as Michael suggests, Paul certainly would have clarified this and go on to explain the differences.



Ephesians 4: 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling,

5 One Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
---Phil on 9/30/21


Romans 4:9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.
---Samuel on 9/30/21


Matthew-John (OT Books Heb 9:16,17) doesn't reveal the preaching of the cross which is the core of Biblical salvation. The mystery of Christ was first revealed to the apostle Paul.
It isn't enough to teach or believe in Jesus. What matters is how Jesus is taught (2 Cor 11:4). The Bible instructs us to teach Jesus according to the revelation of the mystery (Rom 16:25).
Peter is still preaching law. (Acts 10:28)
What part of Paul's teaching was hard for Peter to understand? (2 Pet 3:15, 16)
If you don't understand 2 Tim 2:15 you have missed the mark
---michael_e on 9/30/21


Abraham,....was never under the law. ---Samuel on 9/29/21

Samuel
In (Genesis 17:9-10) We can clearly see a requirement of the Law, given to Abraham.
Do you see it too?
If you do, reconcile it with what Paul taught, and you will learn a great lesson which will make you wiser than Billy Graham.

(Genesis 17:9-10)NIV
Then God said to Abraham, As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant with you.... Every male among you shall be circumcised.


Covenant...an agreement, usually formal, between two or more persons to do or not do something specified. Both Abraham and Moses were in a covenant with God.
---David on 9/30/21


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Michael_e, let me clarify further. To be conformed to the Image of Jesus Christ is the suffering and testing we endure. This is strictly for the BOC. This is the Gospel Paul preaches. This is also revolving around the mystery you don't seem to grasp. This is our obedience of faith Romans 16 is talking about, and the sufferings Paul speaks of in Colossians 1:23-29.

James is not talking about law but exclusively of faith, and the testing of our faith is what is conforming us to the image of Jesus Christ.

If your gospel leaves this very important element out, it's not the Gospel at all or even the Gospel you claim Paul preached.

Paul wasn't given a dispensation of the faith, but of Grace.
---Samuel on 9/29/21


Michael_e, James and Paul teach obedience of faith. James does not teach law and faith. Abraham, as James example, was never under the law. Hebrews 10:26 is talking about the sin of rejecting Jesus as their Messiah. Read the whole text brother.

Michael_e, I can see from the verses you object to, your faith has never been tested. What makes you believe this dispensation eliminates the testing of our faith? We are all tried by fire. That is what Jesus baptism of fire is all about. It concerns me when Christians don't have a testimony of the fellowship of His sufferings. Paul did. Phil 3. As we also see Job was tested and suffered so does the 'suffering church'. That is the church I belong to.
---Samuel on 9/29/21


[Michael_e you seem to be contradicting your post on 9/21. Peter's of works vs Pauls of free???] Not a contradiction, just a dispensational change
Peter's message
Salvation and the law, justification by faith in Jesus as the Messiah accompanied by necessary works. (Jam 2:24, 1 John 2:5, Mat 19:27, Heb 10:26)
Paul's message
Salvation apart from the law, justification by faith alone in the cross work of Jesus Christ. (Rom 4:5, Eph 2:8-9, Tit 3:5, 1 Cor 15:1-4
---michael_e on 9/28/21


I dislike these other versions of scripture twisting Gods Word.---Samuel

Samuel
I agree, to a point.
I personally use the KJV, but I find the translation of the NIV a bit more discernible for the average reader.

Whether it says giving Alms in the KJV, or acts of righteousness in the NIV, don't they amount to the same thing, since giving money to the needy is an act of righteousness?

I love it when folks take a hard line on the KJV. When they do, they must also accept (1 John 3:9) as it is written, else they look like a hypocrite. Do you accept (1 John 3:9) as it is written in the KJV Samuel? If you do, I have found an Ally.
---David on 9/29/21


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Now if we are rewarded for our acts of righteousness, and one of those rewards is Eternal Life, Pauls doctrine is no different than the one Jesus taught to his disciples. For both taught, We are rewarded for our acts of righteousness. I have my Two witnesses, where are the two witnesses who teach against us??

(Matthew 16:27) For the Son of Man is going to come in his Fathers glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done.

Again...
(Romans 2:7) God will repay each person according to what they have done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
---David on 9/28/21


Matthew 6:1 doesn't say righteousness, but alms. Acts 3:3 use alms {the same Greek word} as that of giving money or charity. I dislike these other versions of scripture twisting Gods Word. We are to live righteously before a crooked and wicked generation. And many are persecuted for this obedience.

If we are to let our light shine before men, that light is the Light of God's righteousness shining through us. Now self-righteousness is altogether a different matter. That is, it is what must exceede the Pharisees. Only the Righteousness of Christ can exceed the self-righteousness of the Pharisees. All self-righteousness is filthy rags in comparison to the righteousness of Christ.
[Galatians 2:14-21]
[ Philippians 3:9-11]
---Samuel on 9/28/21


The key to understanding Faith, We must come to understand the word righteousness. And what is an act of righteousness, an act for which we are rewarded?
(Matthew 6:1)
Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.
(Matthew 5:20)
For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
(James 2:20-21)You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?
---David on 9/27/21


Faith never change. We see this when reading Hebrews 11, showing from Abel to today Faith has always been the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

When the Kingdom Come is here on earth there will be no need for faith, as all things will be evident , Jesus Christ on the Throne of David Reigning and Ruling. There is no Kingdom Come without the King Jesus on His earthly thrown.

Back to faith, Abel looked forward to the redeemer, as did all those in the Old Covenant too. The Law is not of faith, so it was not a different kind of faith. No one under the Old Covenant stopped believing in the redeemer just because they were under the law. They just didn't believe Jesus was the promised one.
---Samuel on 9/26/21


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Why are the teachings of Paul so confusing?
He teaches, "Not by works but by Grace", in one place, and in another place,(Romans 2:7) To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life....he seemingly teaches that we are saved by works.

What Paul is saying is this...Works under The Law of Moses, is different than Works under the Law of Christ.
In what ways?
If I don't kill you, steal, or lie to you, are these acts of Love?
No!

If you are hungry, and I feed you, or cold and I buy you a coat, are these acts of Love?
Yes!!!

Both are called works, but only one will cause you to grow in the Grace of God, those in (Romans 2:7)
---David on 9/25/21


The book of Romans is essentially written as a teaching, given through Pauls personal testimony. An experience the disciples did not share. So how could not teach an experience they did not share with us?

This is why you don't see any of the disciples giving their testimonies.
---David on 9/24/21


The Law came by Moses, Grace and Truth came by Jesus Christ. John 1:17

Being saved by Grace through Faith is what Paul was given, (a dispensation of the Grace of God.) Eph 3:2. What exactly does that mean? What was Paul given no one else was given?

Grace here is what we should be looking at. If all from the beginning were saved by Grace through Faith then Paul's gospel was not different. So what is this dispensation of Grace about? It didn't come in the Old Testament, it came by Jesus Christ.

Michael_e you seem to be contradicting your post on 9/21. Peter's of works vs Pauls of free???

The content of faith never changes. Faith will always be tested no matter what dispensation one lives in.
---Samuel on 9/24/21


Although every man at any time is saved by the grace of God through faith, the content of faith differs from one dispensation to the next. That is, the message that is offered and believed for righteousness and salvation varies according to Gods progressive revelation.
These different gospels can be understood by a careful study of Scripture making sure to rightly divide according to what had been revealed (2 Tim 2:15).
---michael_e on 9/23/21


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You are saying only Paul applied the teachings of Jesus and the other 12 did not?---Samuel

Samuel
Sorry for the confusion brother.
What I am saying, is the Lords disciples were chosen (John 15:16) before the Lords resurrection, and Paul was chosen after the resurrection.

This is why the disciples and Paul appear to be teaching two different gospels. In Pauls epistles, we have a testimony of someone who was saved, in the same manner in which we are being saved.

The Lords disciples were saved, because they remained loyal and followed Jesus Christ. We are saved by following the teachings of Jesus Christ, given to us through Gods Holy Spirit. When we read Paul, we can see if we are following the same path.
---David on 9/23/21


Romans 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

All sin is done away in Christ. To suggest Jews have to wait for their sin to be forgiven while Gentiles sin is now forgiven is not found in scripture. God has concluded 'All have sinned' and is no respecter of persons.

John said of Jesus ' Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sin OF THE WORLD.' The author of Hebrews (God) disagrees with you. The only sin is rejecting Christ.
---Samuel on 9/23/21


Prophetically, holy days for Israel spoke to the future time of promised salvation. Passover was a shadow of Christs death. The feast of unleavened bread his burial. The feast of firstfruits his resurrection. The day of atonement was a shadow for the day in Israels future when their sins would be atoned once and for all.
Daniels prophesied of the final reconciliation for iniquity that would occur at the end of those weeks (Dan 9:24).

Peter preached since Jesus was Israels final sacrifice, they had opportunity for their sins to be blotted out in the future when he returned with the times of refreshing.(Acts 3:19)
Paul mentions future time of fulfillment of their final day of atonement when all Israel shall be saved (Romans 11:26).
---michael_e on 9/22/21


David, your last post made no sense. You are saying only Paul applied the teachings of Jesus and the other 12 did not? Can you show scripture the other 12 did not apply the Lord's teachings?

You had me until you lost me.

I agree Paul was well learned in the scriptures, where the others were not scholars. Paul was showing through Old Testimony Prophecy that salvation to all families of the earth would be fulfilled at the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Those prophecies concerned salvation to Jew and Gentile alike. Yes many have different experiences in their salvation, but there is only one way to salvation. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
---Samuel on 9/22/21


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In conclusion,Paul's gospel is different, because he achieved salvation through the applied teachings of Jesus Christ. Paul's gospel, is the teaching of that experience, an experience different from the one of the Lords disciples.
---David on 9/22/21


Paul was a highly regarded, educated teacher. Highly regarded like Billy Graham and others are seen today. A teacher is much like a shepherd is to a flock. Where the shepherd leads the sheep will follow.

Paul, due to his past experience as a teacher of the Law of Moses, was a shepherd to his people. So what Jesus did was to take a shepherd of the people, to turn the flock into another direction, a new covenant.

Remember, the majority of Jews rejected Jesus himself as the messiah. They rejected him as their shepherd, so naturally they would reject his disciples too. So in his wisdom, Jesus took Paul, one already seen by the people as a shepherd, and then many of the Jews followed. (Mark 2:21)
---David on 9/22/21


The wall that separated Jews from Gentiles had been broken down. . How can the walls be broken down?

I don't believe God is the author of confusion.
---Phil on 9/20/21

The Wall. Refers to the wall between the Nth House of Israel Divorced/ put away and the Sth House of Judah.

Eph 2:16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Heb 8:8, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Gentile is a 500 year Latin Vulgate creation. Paul never uttered this word. But the RCC sure ha$.
Protestant Sheep never look further.
---Trav on 9/22/21


Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

John the Baptist preached the one who comes after him, Jesus Christ will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

michael_e , did I read you correctly saying their sins would be forgiven in the future at the time of refreshing?

You are misunderstanding Peter who was quoting Prophecy from the Old Covenant , showing the promise of forgivness and refreshing had now been fulfilled in Jesus Christ right then. The very gift of the Holy Spirit and refreshing IS salvation.

Today is the day of Salvation.
---Samuel on 9/22/21


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Michael_e, I think you are getting ahead of yourself and contradicting here. You first said Peter James John preached to the Circumcision only, and just now said they were told their sins would be forgiven in the future at a time of refreshing. Is this correct?

One book in our scriptures all Christians today believed over and over is 1st John 1:9, 1st John 2:12 showing our sins are forgiven here and now by the blood of Jesus Christ.

Please read Acts 20:28 with 1st Peter 1:18-19. Paul in Acts 20, and Peter are in agreement the Church was also purchased with the blood of Jesus Christ and are in full agreement.

The same Gospel.
---Phil on 9/22/21


Peter offered the baptismal remission of sins through repentance (Acts 2:38). Peter says their sins will be blotted out at the future times of refreshing. In neither instance does he offer faith in the blood for righteousness. Nor are his offers of salvation unconditional or free, but are accompanied with baptisms and repentance.

In contrast Paul preaches the cross according to the revelation of the mystery not revealed or known to Peter (Rom 16:25, Eph 3:4). Paul preaches salvation to a man who worketh not, receives atonement immediately, and is separate from the message of baptism taught by John the Baptist (Rom 4:5, Rom 5:11, 1 Cor 1:17).
---michael_e on 9/21/21


Strongaxe, there are today many perverted gospels yes. I was sticking with the perverted Gospel Paul was speaking of in Galatians. Perverting the Gospel the Judaizers were bringing into Galatia, Paul was upset about, who came with Peter, separating themselves from the Gentiles. This would be in keeping with this "other Gospel" michael_e appears to be talking about. This shows there was no "other Gospel" God gave Peter. Paul said there is no "other Gospel". They had perverted the Gospel. Paul rebukes Peter for hypocrisy, not for intruding on his territory.
---Samuel on 9/21/21


Samuel:

Another "gospel" that perverts the message of Christ is the Prosperity Gospel. It turns God into Santa Claus In The Sky. Spirituality is no longer measured by wisdom, but by wealth.Anyone who isn't rich is automatically Doing It Wrong.

It's pushed by mega-evangelists with multiple mansions, luxury cars, yachts, and private jets - paid for by millions of followers who scrape to make ends meet. They encourage followers to go into debt "to prove their faith" by sending them money.

Their hypocrisy is evident. If you need money, they tell YOU to pray and have faith. But if THEY need money, they don't do that - they PREY and whine for their supporters to mail them checks.
---StrongAxe on 9/21/21


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Paul is saying there is not another Gospel, but only a perverted Gospel being preached. The perverted Gospel is the Kingdom Come Gospel putting Gentiles in submission to the Jews. See Colossians 2, " A shadow of things to come", meaning future. Only those overzealously overly dividing the word of truth would promote this false idea both were taking place at the same time.

Gal 1: 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another, but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
---Samuel on 9/21/21


The most fundamental element of mid Acts Pauline right division is that Peter (who represents Jesus earthly ministry and the twelve apostles) taught a different message than Paul, to whom was given the further revelation of the mystery of Christ.
---michael_e on 9/21/21


To answer this question, we must remember Paul was a respected teacher of the old covenant, before he became a follower of Jesus Christ, and a teacher of the New covenant.

The Lords Twelve disciples, did not have these credentials,... this credibility in the eyes of the Jews. Credibility needed, evidenced by all the titles we see in our churches today. The Lord needed this credibility, to be able to get his Jewish followers to accept the Gentiles believers. Notice in Acts, the Gentiles were not accepted by the Jews until Paul took up for them.

And Paul's Gospel, contains something not found anywhere else in the New Testament...his testimony of how he became a Son of God. In Pauls testimony, Jesus provided Footsteps we can follow.
---David on 9/21/21


The only reason there is the testimony of Christ coming from Gentiles is because the Lord sent a special apostle directly to us Gentiles (Eph 3:1-2).

---michael_e on 9/19/21

I think what's missing is Ephesians also speaks of the new Creature being made from Jew and Gentile. Not just Gentiles. The wall that separated Jews from Gentiles had been broken down.

But you seem to be saying that only some Jews are saved by Paul's Gospel who excluded other Jews and some were saved by Peter's Gospel who excluded Gentiles. How can the walls be broken down?

I don't believe God is the author of confusion.

Paul said there is "one"faith not two, , one hope, one spirit , one baptism not two. Eph 4:4-6
---Phil on 9/20/21


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MIchael_e, Peter spoke to Jews at Pentecost because that was a Jewish Holyday. Paul preached to the Jew first and then to the Gentile, and writes this over and over. So no, there are not two different Gospels being preached at the same time.

How confusing for Jews if there was, or even today.

Peter John James Jude did not preach a Kingdom Come , they preached the Gospel of salvation.

When James and Peter reflect on the sufferings of Job and the sufferings of Christ as our guide, that is addressed to all Christians today regardless of being a Jew or a Gentile and is addressed with Paul in Philippians. Same message. ' Take up your cross and follow me. Paul said "follow me the way I follow Christ."
---Samuel on 9/20/21


At Pentecost, Peter addressed only men of Israel (Acts 2:22), and later the believers scattered by persecution went to none but unto the Jews only (Acts 11:19).
When a new apostle was ordained, Peter, James, and John limited their ministry to the circumcision (Gal 2:9).

Christ sent Paul as the special apostle of the Gentiles. (Acts 22:18).
And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles. Acts 22:21
The only reason there is the testimony of Christ coming from Gentiles is because the Lord sent a special apostle directly to us Gentiles (Eph 3:1-2).
Christ sent a special apostle to you. Why wont anyone listen to him>
1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ
---michael_e on 9/19/21


Because he had made it his life work. So it was who he was.

A lover of GOD and others.

1Corithians 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand, By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
---Samuelbb7 on 9/19/21


Peter and Jude teach sanctification. Is this another kind of sanctification? Jesus also spoke of sanctification in John 17. So I still don't understand what you are saying. Can you be more specific?


1 Peter 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Jude 1:1
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
---Samuel on 9/19/21


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Paul preached the resurrection of Christ as the means of salvation and sanctification for all humanity-
---michael_e on 9/17/21

Need scripture for statement this broad.
I keep in mind Israel authored the Bible as per instruction from GOD. All Prophets, Christ the Apostles all Israel.
Words of Christ : Mat 15:24 I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Amo 3:2 You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

Zec 8:13 it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the heathen, O house of Judah, and house of Israel, so will I save you, ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.
---Trav on 9/18/21


Michael_e, when the gospel was first preached to Abraham for all nations of the world, there wasn't any talk of a Kingdom Come. That gospel was pointing to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, showing in a vision the death and resurrection.
Abraham never talked about a Kingdom.

Paul uses Abraham through out his letters in explaining the death and resurrection of Jesus. Galatians, Hebrews, Romans. They are all talking about salvation, not a kingdom.

James talks about Abraham and the faith of Abraham. I don't see a kingdom talked about in James.

I'm still confused to what you are saying. Jesus said , 'My Kingdom is not of this world.'
---Samuel on 9/18/21


The fact of the resurrection was prophesied, and both Paul and the twelve taught it (1 Cor 15:11). The resurrection of Christ was preached by Peter as proof of his Messiahship, and assurance of the kingdom come.
Peter said

Paul preached the resurrection of Christ as the means of salvation and sanctification for all humanity as part of a new creature, the church the Body of Christ.
---michael_e on 9/17/21


What exactly was kept secret since the world began? I looked up Acts 3:21. I don't see a mystery. Are verses 22-23 talking about Jesus Christ or Paul? So should we be listening to Jesus or Paul? Michael_e, you talk in riddles. Just come out with it. What exactly did Paul preach no one else preached?

Colossians 1: 24-27 talk about a mystery kept secret now revealed. Is this the same mystery you are getting at or are there several mysteries? Ephesians use mystery many times, but never says it was kept secret.

What is Peter's mystery? Let's compare these mysteries. Peter's and Paul's. Was Jesus Christ the Mystery?
---Samuel on 9/17/21


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Yes, Paul preaches the gospel which we see in 1 Corinthians 15 > the death of Jesus for our sins, His burial, and the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. And we see that the other apostles also have preached this gospel.

So, his gospel is not different.

If I say God is "my God", this does not mean I have a different God (c: than everyone else.
---Bill on 9/17/21


Paul uses both phrases the gospel and our gospel in his epistles, but when Paul mentions my gospel it shows that he had a unique message.
---michael_e on 9/15/21

He is unique in explaining who it was to using the OT. He explains it to both houses.
One house divorced with no hope of returning. The other house (his) guilty but not divorced. Jer 3:8.

Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Heb 8:8.
---Trav on 9/17/21


When compared with Peters appeal to what was spoken by the prophets since the world began, there can be no doubt that there should be a distinction made with a message which had been kept secret since the world began (Romans 16:25, Acts 3:21).
---michael_e on 9/17/21


What was the unique message given to Paul? What did Paul preach that no one else did?
---Samuel on 9/16/21


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Mark 1:1 begin with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I also see Paul calls it the Gospel of God in many places.

I believe what God gave to Paul exclusively was the understanding of Gentiles also being included in the promise of salvation given to the Jews. Seeing Peter and others confirmed this, how could they confirm Paul's Gospel as another Gospel the Jews never heard before. That doesn't make sense.
---Samuel on 9/16/21


Pauls gospel message was entirely of Christ, and so Paul stands alone in calling it the gospel of Christ and Christs gospel, but that he also calls it my gospel can only be explained by the fact that Christ gave it first to Paul exclusively.
---michael_e on 9/16/21


Ephesians 3:1 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,

Ephesians 3:2 - If ye have heard of the Dispensation of grace of God which is given me to you - ward.

Ephesians 3:3 How the revelation he made Known to me the mystery : ( As I wrote afore in few words


Romans 1:1 - Paul as a servant of Jesus Christ , called to be apostle, separated unto the gospel of God

Romans 2:2 - Which he had promised afore by his prophets, in the holy scriptures

Romans 3:3 - Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David , according to the flesh.

Romans 2:16 - In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my Gospel,
---RichardC on 9/15/21


Paul uses both phrases the gospel and our gospel in his epistles, but when Paul mentions my gospel it shows that he had a unique message.
---michael_e on 9/15/21


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My opinion . . . Paul had been voting for Christians to be executed. So, now saying the Gospel is his is his testimony that now he is a follower of Jesus Christ. And this is personal, for him, so now he stands up for Jesus.

He did not mean the Gospel he preaches is different than that of Peter and James and others of us.

Peter himself verifies that he approves of the message written by Paul.

And I personally can see that the message of Paul is the same as in the Epistle of James. I mean the meaning of how to love and the theology are the same.

Paul and James and Peter are talking about the same Jesus and the same way to love.
---Bill on 9/15/21


If Paul taught the same gospel as those before him, then why did he call it my gospel three times?
---michael_e on 9/10/21

Gospel. Good news!
Strongs Concordance
euaggelizo & #772,From G2095 and G32, to announce good news especially the gospel: - declare, bring glad (good) tidings.

Paul is careful not to change it as per scripture below.
He understands and teaches what those of the day were already changing to suit their logic. Like now.

1Ti 1:11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

Unraveling what some today and yesterday ravel Michael can start with the Divorce/ putting away of the Nth House of Israel. Jer 3:1-25. Jer 31:31, Heb 8:8.
---Trav on 9/14/21


Paul uses MY GOSPEL 3 times, and THE GOSPEL over 25 times. 1) Paul says MY GOSPEL in 2 Timothy 2:8 referring to Jesus death and resurrection.

Jesus death and resurrection was prophecied in the OT. 2) Paul says MY GOSPEL is according to THE MYSTERY. Well putting these two together, we know THE MYSTERY was not Jesus death and resurrection. 3) MY GOSPEL in Romans 2, God is going to judge the hearts and minds of EVERY MAN FROM ADAM AND EVE FORWARD. THE ONLY GOSPEL was never a mystery or secret. Genesis 3:15 announced THE GOSPEL...and Abel's animal sacrifice showed they understood THE GOSPEL. So did Job. So Pauls MY GOSPEL was built upon the Apostles and prophets, not one man called Paul.
---kathr4453 on 9/12/21


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