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What is 2 Chronicles 7:14 about?

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So, 1)Acts 2 is a call to repentance to receive the promise of the Holy Spirit to WHOSOEVER WILL. Not a promise to restore land or kingdom. Evidence shows no kingdom was restored or land returned to Israel.

2) Those saved in Israel did not return to animal sacrifice after proclaiming REPENTANCE FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, AKA there is no more sacrifice of animals. Jesus blood as Paul reiterates in Romans 3:25 make clear what remission of sin is...and was in JESUS BLOOD.

3) Paul preached the SAME salvation in Acts 17:30 as Peter in Acts 2. But was to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE to REPENT FOR THE REMISSION OF SIN, ...shows it was not a call to a restored Kingdom since Pauls call was to Gentiles, and 2 Chronicles 7:14 was not.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/21


And an absolutely glaring point Michael _ e has either overlooked or simply doesn't understand. 2 Chronicles 7:14 IS NOT concerning the NEW COVENANT PROMISES of the restoration of Israel. 2 Chronicles 7:14 was promised UNDER THE LAW OF MOSES.

At Pentecost THE NEW COVENANT was instilled, rendering the OLD " If you will, then I will" obsolete ...

You see, the NC Promises concerning the restored nation can be found in Ezekiel 36 where All of it God says I WILL, I WILL I WILL, I WILL. And not one time says IF YOU WILL THEN I WILL.

Proving Acts 2 was not a call to a restored Israel. If it was, under the NC Nothing would have TWARTED Gods plan.
---kath4453 on 11/26/21


It also needs to be pointed out Michael_e your verse totally out of place and context Hebrews 13:10,explained in verses 12-14. says nothing about sacrificing animals...but verses 11 - 13 is showing an example . Especially when Hebrews 13 summarizes JESUS died and shed HIS BLOOD for the remission of sin clearly taught in Hebrews 10, and again summarizing in Hebrews 13:20-21. We do have an alter re 1 Cor 10:18, 21 is where the unsaved have no right to eat at where communion reiterates the BLOOD OF THE COVENANT also reiterated in Hebrews 13:20-21 says nothing about the blood of bulls and goats.

I find it odd you insist one rightly divide the word of truth, and this one was an EASY DIVISION. What happened?
---kathr4453 on 11/26/21


Michael_e, seeing you insist 2Chronicles 7:14 and Acts 2 is a call to the whole nation, Paul in Acts 17:30 put out a call TO ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT.

So rightly dividing here using YOUR definitions and understanding, if God called off restoring the Nation of Israel because the whole nation didn't repent, then God called off salvation to ALL MEN EVERYWHERE , seeing ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT, DID NOT REPENT.

Or the 1000 year reign of the restored Israel ended 1000 years ago, so what is it? Are we all now in heaven? YIKES.


You can't have it both ways.
---kathr4453 on 11/26/21


Jesus commission: Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Peter Obeys , Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter obeys re all nations , Acts 10:43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name "whosoever" believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Paul obeys , Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God,
---kathr4453 on 11/25/21




Right division does not eliminate other books of the Bible.

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, Romans 15:4
---michael_e on 11/20/21

Well said. True words above. But she does not embrace truth. Truth frees but, her false beliefs are her pit.
Exo 33:16***so shall we be separated, I and thy people, from all the people that are upon the face of the earth.

Lev 20:26 ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
Deu 7:6For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
---Trav on 11/26/21


Michael_e, First there is no such thing as God giving eternal life to a Nation. 2 Chronicles 7:14 is not about eternal life and individual salvation. Acts 2 IS.

We see in Acts 2 many repented and were saved given the Holy Spirit for eternal life, not for a restored nation and healed land. HEALED LAND IS NOT A HEALED LIFE.

If Isreals salvation depends on 100% cooperation or NOTHING, then Gentiles must be given the same mandate. Either ALL HUMANITY REPENT or no salvation for anyone.

That's what you are saying comparing 2 Chronicles to Acts. It's WHOSOEVER WILL , which means INDIVIDUAL ETERNAL LIFE. To the Jew first and then to the Gentile.

You have not rightly divided this truth.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/21


Michael_e, "remission of sin" ACTS 2. It means to cancel a debt. To forgive. To be JUSTIFIED , necessary before we receive the Holy Spirit. Now also understand the Messiah was prophecied to come for the "remission of sin". Under the OT, the sacrifice of Bulls and goats only covered sin, and REMISSION OF SIN was never associated with animal sacrifice. See Hebrews 10. With "remission of sin" there is no more sacrifice of sin. Animal sacrifice was no longer necessary.

Peter clearly preached the "remission of sin" in Acts 2 understanding animal sacrifice was no longer needed for those who repented of rejecting Jesus, believed on Him, and received the Holy Spirit after REMISSION OF SIN.
---kathr4453 on 11/25/21


2 Chron 7:14 Requires all Israel to repent
Acts 2:38 Requires all Israel to repent
[Peter preaches the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.]
Wrong
Acts 2:37 ".. Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you.."
Don't forget Mark 16:15-18
Acts 1:3 ".. being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the KINGDOM of God:"
[Acts 1:6-7...the answer is NO, ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.]
Wrong it doesn't say NO
Acts 2:7 "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons.."
"Restore again"
When did Israel have a Kingdom they were proud? King David's and Solomon's.
---michael_e on 11/25/21


Here are more facts. Paul, then Saul ,was in Jerusalem when Stephen was stoned in Acts 6. Paul clarified this in Acts 22. So Paul WENT BACK to Jerusalem 14 years AFTER THAT.

Secondly we see the persecuted CHURCH selling their land and property in Jerusalem....so it doesn't appear Peter standing up reiterating a restoration of the nation or land.

Why would Paul object to the restoration of Israel, as you claim was a reiteration of 2 Chronicles 7:14? Paul like many Jews REJECTED JESUS AS THE PROMISED MESSIAH THE SON OF GOD PERIOD. if it were simply about land restoration there would have been no persecutions deaths etc.
please rightly divide these facts.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/21




Michael_e, let's review again.

The Apostles clarify with Jesus before His ascention....Acts 1:6-7...the answer is NO, ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

2 Chronicles 7:14 is not Acts 2. Peter says NOTHING about restoring the Nation or healing land. Peter preaches the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ...clearly omitted in 2 Chronicles 7:14.

Seeing it was Pentecost where all the scattered came to Jerusalem every year, I don't find unusual Peter addressing all of then, and for the first time hearing in their own language. I'll bet during 2 Chronicles they all still spoke Hebrew.

In Acts ..where does Peter say the land would be healed? It was under Roman rule. The next time it is healed is at Jesus 2nd coming.
---kathr4453 on 11/24/21


2Chron 7:14 was a national offer to Israel as Peter offered in Acts 2:38 "..everyone of you.."

ifshall humbleprayseekturn 2 Chron 7:14
Forgiveness for Israel was conditioned upon their works of humility, praying, seeking Gods face, and turning from their wicked ways (Mat 6:14).
God has already forgiven those who trust the gospel of Christ. Eph 4:32

You do know the temple was in Jerusalem don't you? That is where the sacrifices took place. It was about 14 years before Paul went to Jerusalem, so the 12 were preaching OT
---michael_e on 11/23/21


Michael_e, at the time of Jesus death the veil in the temple was rent, meaning torn , from top to bottom, signifying the way into the Holy of Holies had been opened, where man from the time of Jesus death and resurrection could come to God through Jesus Christ. Jesus , GOD IN THE FLESH , spent 40 days with them before His ascention. Saying man could not come to the Father through His Son until Paul started preaching is again, not in scripture.

Also having received the Holy Spirit, where the Triune Godhead INDWELS the believer, Colossians 3:1-4 shows again you are mistaken. You make Paul sound like he's one of the Trinity. This overly exalting of Paul is just as much idolatry as the RCC exalting Mary to the godhead.
---kathr4453 on 11/23/21


Michael_e, right after Paul was saved he too went into the temple to preach Jesus Christ is Lord. Nothing about sacrificing animals. Also if you believe Hebrews was written in the early 60ad more proof they understood JESUS IS THE LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKES AWAY THE SIN OF THE WORLD. It's clearly dissected for you to read and understand. Just go to Hebrews 10.

Both Peter and Paul state in their epistles we THE CHURCH , were purchased with the blood of Jesus Christ.

Luke makes no such record of Christian Jew's still sacrificing animals. Maybe unbelieving Jews.

Why do you add to scripture what isn't there michael_e? Even stating how God waited until Paul before destroying the Temple? ...IS NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURE!
---kathr4453 on 11/23/21


You don't actually think the Temple ceased operation immediately after Christ ascended do you
Acts 3:1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour. (Not typical operation)
Heb 13:10 If Hebrews was written in the early 60s The Temple isnt destroyed until 70 AD. The Temple is still going while Paul's epistles are being written.

Amazing God didnt permit any empires even Romans to destroy the Temple until Pauls epistles were completed. Because, until Pauls epistles were completed, and the Age of Grace made available, the Temple was necessary. It was the only approach to God. When the Age of Grace opened up and Pauls epistles finished, God permitted the Temple to be destroyed.
---michael_e on 11/22/21


When I do a word search of scripture and pull up every verse that says CROSS, I don't see michael_e's dogmatic doctrine that explicitly stated Paul preached as opposed to all others. As a matter of fact not all of Paul's Epistles even use the word CROSS. ROMANS, 2nd Corinthians, both Thessalonians, both Timothy's. And LOOK Luke never once used the word CROSS in Acts , as something that separated Paul's Gospel from any other. It's just not there. And the verses that say CROSS don't make these distinctions michael_e is making. It's all speculation and conjecture on the part of this cult doctrine. That's what cults do, try to undermine the GOSPEL and use something not there to start their own divisio and sect.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/21


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Michael_e please show us after Jesus ascended where Peter still sacrificed bulls and goats for forgivness and instructs others to do the same. I can't find that in any of Peter, James or John's epistles. You really must read Peters two epistles so full of the GRACE OF GOD, opposed to the law that spoke nothing of grace.

Peter clearly shows a good conscience toward God WAS NOT the washing away of the sins of the flesh with water, BUT BY THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST. That is not OT LAW. Because the blood of bulls and goats never purged ones conscience from dead works AKA THE LAW OF SACRIFICE, and only the blood of Jesus can. Jesus SHED HIS BLOOD AT THE CROSS, THE CROSS, THE CROSS, THE ONLY CROSS. There is only ONE CROSS.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/21


With the dispensation of the grace of God to the apostle Paul (Eph 3:1-2) old things changed (2 Cor 5:17).
Forgiveness before the dispensation of Gods grace was conditioned upon performance. It required man to respond according to Gods instructions under the law. Today, under grace. Gods forgiveness today is granted according to Gods unconditional grace (Rom 6:14).

According to the mystery of Christ, salvation is offered freely through the finished work of Christ to all that believe (Rom 3:22-25).

Free salvation includes free forgiveness by Gods grace through faith without any condition for us to perform (Eph 1:7, Eph 2:8-9, Rom 4:5). This is the mystery of the gospel of the grace to all men.
---michael_e on 11/22/21


To receive forgiveness Israel was required to confess sins and perform how God instructed. Forgiveness required priests, sacrifices, and confession in Leviticus (Lev 5:5-6, Lev 6:7).

If they didn't offer the sacrifice, or sacrificed without the priest, or wouldn't confess their sins? they didn't receive forgiveness.

God required humble hearts, obedience, and prayer in 2 Chronicles 7:14 to forgive Israel (2 Chron 7:14). If a man said he had faith in God to forgive him, but didn't humble himself, pray, or turn from his wicked ways, his faith is in vain.
Matt 6:14-15 Jesus teaches his disciples to pray according to the law (Matt 5:17). In this prayer Jesus says forgiveness comes by forgiving others: forgiveness was conditional.
---michael_e on 11/22/21


Peter was an Apostle of the Church who ministered to the dispersed, 12 tribes of Israel. Just as Paul took the same Gospel to the Gentiles. Why is that such an issue reading into it something that is just not there. The church is not 12 tribes, however those from the 12 Tribes that were very prominent at that time are included in the church..THE BOC.

They didn't trample on each other's territory. But you do see Paul also addressing Jews as well.

Peter James and John speak to us today as much as they spoke to the BOC then. And those who have excluded their teaching have only hurt their own growth and maturity.

Michael_e, I am a member of the CHURCH, BOC. So are ALL THE APOSTLES FROM ACTS 1 on.
---kathr4453 on 11/22/21


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Amazing apparently the Church which is the Body of Christ has 12 tribes
Some Bibles must read:
James 1:1 ".. to the twelve tribes (of Israel Plus the Boc) scattered abroad"
1Peter 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers (Acts 8:1) scattered throughout.." (Plus the BOC)
Paul is the pattern of how we were saved by the longsuffering of God he also represents a pattern for us who would live under Grace. Learn Pauls doctrine, manner of life, and purpose study the difference between living studying a life under Grace and a life under the Law
---michael_e on 11/21/21


James, Peter and John are also to the Church. James guides us through the trials and testings as we endure the CROSS and the fellowship of His sufferings. James also says if we need wisdom, we can go DIRECTLY TO THE FATHER AND ASK HIM. Yes this is absolutely true. We CAN go boldly to the throne of Grace to find help in time of need.

Peter shows it's not water baptism that washes away the filth of the flesh, but AGAIN our identification with Him in death and resurrection life, as 1 Peter 3-4 also comfort us in our sufferings and why we go through them . John shows us, those who have passed from death to life AKA GOING THROUGH THE CROSS, ROMANS 6-8 and how to examine ourselves.

The CHURCH is built upon ALL THESE epistles .
---kathr4453 on 11/21/21


[It's all here Michael_e, Paul explains what we are to follow]
Of course he does
It is in Pauls God-inspired writings that we find the doctrine to the church today. Yet, it would be foolish to say that we should eliminate the other parts of scripture.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2 Tim 3:16
Right division does not eliminate other books of the Bible. Instead, it rightly defines their context so that we can have a fuller doctrinal understanding. It is all for our learning.

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, Romans 15:4
---michael_e on 11/20/21


Michael_e, this is the CROSS Paul taught. You think it's is only Jesus death and resurrection kept secret until Paul came along. NO, it's our identification with Jesus in death and resurrection life that is UNIQUE TO THE CHURCH.

We see from the beginning 2000 plus years ago to today there are 1001 other Gospels who preach and teach anything that avoids the preaching of the cross. Oh yes they preach Jesus death and resurrection and dominion replacement theology, WOF, PROSPERITY and so much more that avoids the Cross... Which I mean Galatians 2:20-21 Romans 6-8,
---kathr4453 on 11/20/21


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Ephesians 51-2 Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children,

2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

It's all here Michael_e, Paul explains what we are to follow.
---kathr4453 on 11/20/21


Concerning my last post Ephesians 5:1-2. Paul also tells us in Philippians 2 KEEPING THIS MIND IN YOU THAT WAS ALSO IN CHRIST JESUS... WHO BECAME OBEDIENT UNTO DEATH EVEN DEATH OF A CROSS.

Michael _e ... I know what it means to follow Jesus. Jesus said Himself, Pick up your cross and follow me.... which I've posted scripture to back up .


What did you think Paul meant? Paul followed Jesus right to the end of being beheaded for the Gospels sake. Are you following Paul the way he followed Jesus ? I just don't see this in your teaching.
---kathr4454 on 11/20/21


A popular example of meaningless speech is when someone says I follow Jesus. To where are you following him without Paul's pattern?
Christ through Paul gives us the way, many through ignorance reject this.
Of all writers, Paul glories more in Jesus Christ than all (Gal 6:14)? This is because he knew more about Christ than them all! He knew more because of the mystery information revealed to him by the Lord (Gal 1:11-12, Rom 16:25).
It was his privilege to fulfill the word of God with a message that no one before him knew (Col 1:25-26).
Jesus sent Paul to be the pattern of salvation to us that hereafter believe (1 Tim 1:16).
Following Pauls pattern and instructions requires glorifying God by Jesus Christ (Rom 16:27, Phil 2:11).
---michael_e on 11/20/21


[Paul isn't actually saying he is substituted for Christ, but is an EXAMPLE of HOW TO FOLLOW CHRIST]
Of course he isn't a substitute for Christ, but Christ sent Paul. (Acts 9:15).
Paul is the only way to follow the ascended Christ. he didn't try to follow Him on earth, the 12 tried but couldn't, you can't either.
If you are following Christ today it's per Paul's instructions. Even Peter understood part of that later in his life 2 Peter 3:15.16
---michael_e on 11/20/21


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Michael_e, I'm sorry the Lord can't speak to you through the WORD OF GOD, and can only speak to you through Paul.

But many of us have been richly blessed by the WHOLE WORD OF GOD.

So would suggest letting GOD speak what He chooses to speak and don't interfere robbing others of FAITH. Because that is exactly what you are doing.

You claimed you can't follow Jesus, so you have to follow only Paul. But we can follow Jesus JUST LIKE PAUL HAS, and completely understand what Paul is saying when he said Follow me THE WAY I FOLLOW CHRIST. Paul isn't actually saying he is substituted for Christ, but is an EXAMPLE of HOW TO FOLLOW CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 11/19/21


Gentiles were not referred to as sheep. Its always Israel. It was the Nation of Israel, to whom the 23rd Psalm was written "The Lord is my shepherd". Jesus told Peter, "Feed my sheep."
---michael_e on 11/17/21

Really Sheep simple, yet some unauthorized kitty kats take 4 posts to teach nothing but, how confused they are. Underlining also the rewards of false teaching.

Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Eze 34:6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them.
---Trav on 11/19/21


To understand the Bible, we must study dispensationally, rightly divide the scriptures (2 Timothy 2:15). It is reading a Bible passage and asking, "Am I in the group of people being spoken to here?" Is this passage speaking to Christians? The Bible is written for us, for our learning, but not all of it is addressed to us.

For example: When God gave the law to the people of Israel through Moses one of the laws was not work on the Sabbath. Sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday. We must realize that the children of Israel were not Christians. We are not under the law of Moses like they were then. They lived in a different dispensation from us.
---michael_e on 11/19/21


I think what's really sad are Gentiles dictating what can and can't be said and all scripture must accommodate them alone. Hebrews was written by a Jew who understands how the New Testimony is fulfilled in the Old is scoffed at by certain Gentiles because they use words they have always used. SHEPHERD, is one.

All throughout scripture God tries to put into a PICTIONARY where man understands concepts what a SHEPHERD goes through protecting his sheep.

The concept is the most awesome of all , but because of some imaginary rule some make up, only Jews can see the Lord not only as HEAD OF THE CHURCH watching over us and protecting us, but also as the Shepherd of HIS SHEEP.

Overly dividing the word until it means nothing.
---kathr4453 on 11/18/21


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Psalms 23, the most comforting of assurance we have IN CHRIST. Yes those walking through the valley of the shadow of death....I AM CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST being literally played out in our lives ( not just head knowledge) as our enemies surround about, God has prepared a table before all of them, as they see you lifted out of the ashes of that death TO LIVE VICTORIOUSLY as a CONQUERER , an overcomer, ( young men have OVERCOME THE EVIL ONE) just as Jesus defeated Satan at the Cross when He rose from the dead.

People, don't let anyone rob any scripture from you that speaks truth to your soul when going through trials and tribulations. They can't help you, because they have never experienced THE CROSS IN REALITY.
---kathr4453 on 11/18/21


Paul said FOLLOW me THE WAY I FOLLOW CHRIST. Paul FOLLOWED CHRIST JESUS. Is this because only Jews can follow Jesus but Gentiles can't?

Are you testifying here YOU can't FOLLOW AFTER what you have been apprehended for. Phil 3:12? I can. I have, and I'm still following...JESUS CHRIST.

WHAT ABOUT EPHESIANS 5:1 BE YE FOLLOWERS OF GOD AS DEAR CHILDREN.

So are you going to argue Jesus is not God or the word SHEEP isn't used? What difference does it make?

Psalms 23 is to CHRISTIANS who KNOW Our Lord aka Shepherd watches over us, protects us, leads us into righteousness, AKA THE RICHES THAT ARE IN CHRIST JESUS and that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God IN CHRIST JESUS.
---kathr4453 on 11/18/21


Oh my michael_e, how you have it so wrong. We are more than conquers IN CHRIST Michael. You don't understand the IN CHRIST part and that is your problem understanding HE LEADS AND WE FOLLOW HIM INTO VICTORY. This I know and the OT was amazing in this very truth. You see, Joshua parallels Ephesians and we see in Joshua when Israel went in to CONQUER THE LAND the Lord went before them. And every move was at the command and timing of the Lord.

We have no strength in and of ourselves. Christ is our life... CHRIST IN YOU leads and we follow.

We follow Him into death and resurrection life. The promise land is a type of RESURRECTION LIFE.

But you've been poisoned against such awesome leading by the Holy Spirit. Sad really.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/21


Commonly used in Christianity is the shepherd and the sheep John 10.
Christ is the shepherd, and some think we are sheep.
Sheep follow. Sheep lay down. Sheep are sheared and left bleating for their shepherd to intervene.
The problem is that Paul says we are not sheep, but more than conquerors through Christ by the gospel of grace (Rom 8:36).
Sheep get lost. Conquerors do not, because they know who they are in Christ, and that nothing can separate us from our Head (Col 2:19).

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning
---michael_e on 11/17/21


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That's such a shame michael_e, because I can claim Psalms 23 and you can't. So I guess those who are Christian Jew's are far more gifted with promises than Gentiles are.

I'm truly sad for your group of Gentiles who want to rob us of the BOC, which you can't, but want to tell us now we can't claim and believe in scripture God spoke exclusively to Jews only if perchance we DID make it into the BOC.

Another I can testify to is Psalms 91. Oh I could go on and on and on how my faith grew by leaps and bounds and how the Holy Spirit actually spoke those words of comfort to me.

The OT is RICH in the wisdom and Knowledge of Jesus Christ WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD from Genesis 1 on.
---kathr4453 on 11/17/21


Heb 13:20.."that great shepherd of the sheep"
If I understand the Scripture, Gentiles were not referred to as sheep. Its always Israel. It was the Nation of Israel, to whom the 23rd Psalm was written "The Lord is my shepherd" The Lord always referred to the sheep and the shepherd. Jesus told Peter, "Feed my sheep."
---michael_e on 11/17/21


The EVERLASTING COVENANT was directed to humanity starting in Genesis 3:15.... 2000 years + before there ever was an Israel.

It was reiterated to Abraham 430 years BEFORE THERE WAS AN ISRAEL.

Jacob was renamed ISRAEL. SO Abraham NOR Isaac were ISRAEL.

There were 2 Covenants given to Abraham, one for his EARTHLY HEIRS and those who are his SPIRITUAL HEIRS.

Those who have THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM don't change their earthly DNA. By those OF FAITH, not birthright , are HEIRS ACCORDING TO PROMISE If earthly Israel were the ONLY "heirs" according to promise by the LAW of Moses, simply by DNA, maybe michael_e would be correct. No scripture supports that claim.

Galatians 3:29. THIS IS PAUL'S TEACHING.
---kathr4453 on 11/16/21


The covenants were directed only to the nation of Israel.
Grace *** opened salvation ,
---michael_e on 11/15/21

To Whole of Israel. Both houses.
Why sacrifice a Son. Whew. Submit as a Son. Whew.
Jer 3:1. Jer 3:8 I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.
(Nth house divorced not Judah)
(When is wife released from husband?)
Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 ****, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3
---Trav on 11/16/21


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It is interesting that some think the Covenants made to Israel 1) the Law of Moses aka the Old Covenant, 2) the earthly blessings and cursing for obedience to the law re Land etc was a covenant of salvation. Neither were, anymore than the Covenant God stated to Noah about never flooding the whole earth again was about salvation.

The EVERLASTING Covenant made before the foundation of the world, where Jesus was Forordained to take away sin, WAS NOT exclusively to Israel under any Covenants made with them.

Israel is as much a partakers of the EVERLASTING COVENANT IN JESUS BLOOD DEATH AND RESURRECTION....SEE HEBREWS 13:20-21 as Abel, Noah, Enoch, Job Abraham Lot and you and me today.
---kathr4453 on 11/16/21


Ephesians 2:12 is very plain. Our Gentile forefathers were strangers from the COVENANTS (PLURAL) of Promise, without hope and without God in this world. But, now in Christ Jesus we are made nigh, not by covenants, but by the Blood of Christ. We are now in a greater relationship than any covenants, we are joint-heirs with Christ, Romans 8:14-17. The covenants were directed only to the nation of Israel. In order for the covenants to be fulfilled, Christ had to accomplish the atonement, His sacrifice of Himself. But, by His Grace that was extended beyond the covenants, and opened salvation to the whole race,
---michael_e on 11/15/21


The New Covenant is also made with Israel. Read Hebrews 10:16 which is the fulfilment of jeremiah, Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32

The church is now Israel.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/13/21

You are right. Prophets, Christ, Apostles didnt fail. They also didnt create, change what GOD set in place.
Israel the the assembly / church. Who Christ came for, who Christ found. Has Israel been a light through their history.
New Covenant is addressed to only Israel. Same as Old Covenant.

Isa 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, ****
---Trav on 11/15/21


Isaiah 14:1 For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Yes 2 Chronicles 7:14 was the promises and curses under the Old Covenant. But the New Covenant to Israel THE NATION read with Ezekiel 36 and Isaiah 14 show a future time in History. Isaiah 14:7 the whole earth will be at REST , because it will be at the 2Nd Coming of Jesus on earth.

Luke made no record of Isaiah 14:1-7 or Ezekiel 36 in the book of Acts.

That should be the smoking gun for any confusion concerning any overly division of the word of Truth. If the pieces don't fit 100% don't try to force what isn't there.
---kathr4453 on 11/15/21


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Simply put, God was not talking to or about the Church the Body of Christ in 2 Chronicles 7:14. Thank God that he has revealed something more excellent in the revelation of the mystery of Christ (Rom 16:25, Eph 3:1-6).
---michael_e on 11/14/21


No one is using that verse as the Gospel of salvation. God never promised to save and give eternal life for land. And I don't believe that verse is a gospel in the first place. Healing land even for Israel is not the GOSPEL. But Only Israel was given land, so they understand it's meaning, and don't believe it means eternal life.

So taking verses out of context too is something other Christians do as well, misrepresenting 2 Chronicles 7 :14 as another Gospel. It's not.

However Nineveh REPENTED , a Gentile Nation and God withheld His wrath. It didn't mean they were all given eternal life right then. So if we just repent like Nineveh, maybe we won't see so much evil in our country.
---kathr4453 on 11/14/21


those who try to apply this passage to us are telling us that if we humble ourselves, pray, seek God's face, and turn from our wicked ways, God will forgive our sin. That is not our gospel. That is not how our sins are forgiven. We are saved by believing the grace gospel that God gave to us through our Apostle Paul, "... Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day ...." (1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, freely gave His life as the perfect sacrifice to pay for all of our sins. He was crucified, buried, and rose from the dead on the third day.
---michael_e on 11/13/21


I don't think all Christians think 2 Chronicles 7:14 is addressed to the Church. Many NOT hyper- dispensationalists who understand what the Church is and isn't don't use that verse. Only those who believe in replacement reconstruction theology do. BUT one would have to examine what they believe the Gospel is in the first place. Many of those don't even believe in the Deity of Christ. So we shouldn't accuse Christians REAL CHRISTIANS of misapplying that verse.
---kathr4453 on 11/13/21


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A major doctrinal error that is becoming quite popular today is the teaching of 2 Chronicles 7:14 as being to the church. In 2 Chronicles 7:14 God said, "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." This is speaking to the nation of Israel who were under the Law of Moses. To incorrectly treat it as though it were spoken to the church would be a failure to rightly divide the word.
---michael_e on 11/13/21


Good point Kathyr. The New Covenant is also made with Israel. Read Hebrews 10:16 which is the fulfilment of jeremiah, Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32

The church is now Israel.
---Samuelbb7 on 11/13/21


Galatians 3:17 show GENTILES WERE NOT alianated from THAT COVENANT made between Father Son and Holy Spirit BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. It was announced in Genesis 3:15. It is where Abel, Enoch, Noah, Job etc were saved by.

It isn't a covenant God made WITH MAN. It is a Covenant the Trinity made ON BEHALF OF MAN. Why, because God Knew before the foundation of the world, man, who had not been created yet, would sin. Jesus was FORORDAINED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD TO TAKE AWAY SIN. ALL SIN.

That's how and why all Gentiles including Michael_e can also find salvation. And Paul establishes this FACT in Galatians and Romans 4.

To teach the Church is under NO COVENANT is false. See 1 Corinthians 11:25
---kathr4453 on 11/13/21


Not strangers to the EVERLASTING COVENANT God made with Abraham, before Jacob was renamed ISRAEL, had 12 sons and became the NATION OF ISRAEL. And the CovenantS Of Promise given to the NATION ISRAEL, was never a covenant of salvation. It was an earthly covenant with EARTHLY BLESSINGS. Salvation is not an EARTHLY BLESSING, but a heavenly one.

From Abel to today, all SAVED are brought near by the blood of Jesus Christ. Abel's animal sacrifice, Job sacrificed for the sins of his sons....all OT blood sacrifices were about SALVATION Not land. Hebrews 9:22

Paul clearly shows the covenant God made with Abraham 430 years BEFORE the Covenant made with Israel was not annulled. Galatians 3:17. Showing TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT COVENANTS.
---kathr4453 on 11/13/21


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and strangers from the covenants of promise Eph 2:12
Paul says that Gentiles were strangers from the covenants of promise that God made to Israel. 2 Chronicles 7:14 was a covenant promise God made to Israel.
---michael_e on 11/12/21


The building was that it housed THE ARC OF THE COVENANT, they had been carrying around since the Wilderness.

But if one really understands Hebrews along with Leviticus, all that pointed to Jesus Christ.

There is a wonderful book called SEEING CHRIST IN THE TABERNACLE, written by a Christian Jew who has a deeper understanding of OT than most Gentiles today. Once you grasp and understand this, those teaching nonsense really jumps out at you as ignorant and should not be teaching.

Jesus Christ is now here today , and a new Covenant IN HIS BLOOD.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/21


now have I chosen and sanctified this house 2 Chron 7:15-16
The prayers were toward a building (2 Chron 7:15). We are not required to pray toward a temple, nor does the church have a temple made of hands for God to dwell in. Know ye not that we are the temple of God (1 Cor 3:16)?
---michael_e on 11/12/21


And this is why those who mind earthly things are enemies of the cross. Paul not only states this in Phillipians 3 but through out Galatians. Those who think politics should be dictating the Gospel, a Gospel that should apply to ALL CHRISTIANS throughout the world no matter where you live, should think again.

Just take the handful of Christians in China. Do you really think that handful of Christians who are not WICKED in the first place can do whatever so God will heal their land in China? . hardly.
---kathr4453 on 11/12/21


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heal their land 2 Chron 7:14
The land belonged to Israel (2 Chron 6:25). The church the Body of Christ does not have one square inch of land promised to them by God. This is why we are called ambassadors and given a heavenly position (2 Cor 5:20, Phil 3:20).
---michael_e on 11/11/21


Trying to compare OT before the cross where sin was only covered to NT when sin is forgiven, is explained in Hebrews 10. Actually the blood of bulls and goats did not take away sin. And even then animal sacrifices were still done daily for sin.

We also have a time when Israel worshipped the golden calf and God was going to destroy Israel. Abraham interceded in prayer and reminded God of His Covenant promises.

Hebrews says that no sin was covered or forgiven without blood.

All changed AFTER Jesus death and resurrection FOR ALL.
---kathr4453 on 11/11/21


and I will forgive their sins 2 Chron 7:14
Israels sins still needed forgiveness. All their sins were not yet forgiven until they met the conditions. Our sins have already been forgiven for Christs sake (Eph 4:32, Col 2:13). There is not one more sin that needs forgiven in the church, the Body of Christ.
---michael_e on 11/11/21


Michae_e WOW , talk about twisting scripture. Even our daily forgiveness is dependent upon repenting of sin. He is faithful and just .. RIGHT.

THAT VERSE IN NO WAY SAYS Gods FORGIVNESS FOR ISRAEL WAS any different than How how God forgive sin from Genesis 1 on.

Gentiles should not be teaching Jewish issues.

Taking ONE VERSE out OF context is NOT RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH.
---kathr4453 on 11/11/21


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if shall humble pray seek turn 2 Chron 7:14
Forgiveness for Israel was conditioned upon their works of humility, praying, seeking Gods face, and turning from their wicked ways (Mat 6:14). Forgiveness is now being offered freely through the blood of Christ without any of your works (Col 1:14).
---michael_e on 11/10/21


Yes this is so true. Those promises were to the Nation of Israel, not to spiritualize away and apply to the Church. And many Christians not hyper- Dispensationalists know this as well.

Those who don't know this, believe they are a new Israel, the New Jew. we have Mormons, JW, Messianic Congregations, etc who believe they are the New Israel. Even SDA's believe they are a New Jew. This also is what reconstructionism teaches. Or replacement theology.

Heaven us our home. Not here. And michael_e, you are guilty of encouraging this thinking by being so involved in Politics . That's what the new evangelicals are now leaning toward...reconstructionism.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/21


my people, which are called by my name 2 Chron 7:14
The blessings were given to my people, which are called by my name. God placed his name on only one nation: Israel (Num 6:27, Ps 147:20)
---michael_e on 11/10/21


Again Michael_e, is this another Covenant that overrides the New Covenant to Israel where the Old Covenant was done away? Also wasn't this a time before Israel was scattered, having then received the curse of this covenant of also being driven off the land? So after Solomon's sin of marrying pagans, who brought in their false gods , God told Solomon he would scatter Israel. But not until after Solomon's death.

So now lets move past this time to today.

If using the same mentality, the Tabernacle in the wilderness was not the Church either. Israel the NATION was promised specific LAND. And one day will be brought back to THE LAND Isaiah 14.....teaches covenant promises that go above and BEYOND and way past 2 Chronicles.
---kathr4453 on 11/10/21


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If I shut up the heavens 2 Chron 7:13
According to the covenant made with God, Israel would be cursed with drought, pests, and disease if they disobeyed the covenant. None of these curses are sent by God upon the church since Christ was already made a curse for us (Gal 3:13).
---michael_e on 11/9/21


Michael_e, can you be more specific as to the difference between this covenant in 2 Chronicles and the one God made with Israel before going into the Promise land?

I just see Jesus saying to the Jews in the Gospels, refering to Himself as the Temple, that if it were torn down He will raise it up in 3 days.

The Temple was also destroyed in 70 ad, and one of the most awesome epistles written is Hebrews showing the Temple was only a pattern of things in Heaven.

During the 1000 year reign the a Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt, but only after Jesus 2nd Coming.

I'm not following your thoughts here. I don't think others are either. I don't think the Church is looking for the Temple.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/21


I have chosen this place to myself for an house of sacrifice 2 chron 7:12
God chose a specific place to make his covenant. The place was the temple in Jerusalem in Israel (2 Chron 7:12). This excludes every other place in the world as a recipient of this covenant promise.
---michael_e on 11/9/21


the king and all the people offered sacrifices before the LORD 2 Chron 7:4
Solomon sacrificed 100,000's of animals. There are no such sacrifices needed for us to receive forgiveness. Christ already shed his blood for our forgiveness. Israel in 2 Chron 7:14 needed animal sacrifices.
---michael_e on 11/8/21


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Israels land was important, and walking in wisdom was important for their land to be preserved forever (Prov 22:28, Prov 23:10,
---michael_e on 11/7/21


the king turned his face, and blessed the whole congregation of Israel 2 Chron 6:3
---michael_e on 11/6/21


Strongaxe, someone here claims that verse is not to Christians , but only to Israel, and that it belongs to the OT, except for Paul, because he was born OUTSIDE OF ISRAEL. And that we are not to follow Jesus, but follow Paul. I find that just as disturbing as Paula White's comment.

After watching a Doc re THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY, re how big Pharma caused so much drug addiction in this country, I see America destroying itself and has no one to blame but ourselves. This has gone on under both Dems and Rep, all getting campaign money .

Drugs like this God calls SORCERY. And there will be consequences. Nineveh was a gentile nation God warned of distruction. They repented.
---kathr4453 on 11/6/21


kathr4453:

"calling Jesus wicked":

Trump relies on spiritual advice of Paula White, a prosperity-theology teacher.

From the WSJ:
You "release wealth," as they often put it, by commanding it to come to you. "Anyone who tells you to deny yourself is from Satan," White told a television TBN audience in 2007. Oops. It was Jesus who said "anyone who would come after me" must "deny himself and take up his cross and follow me" (Matthew 16:24).
...
Southern Baptist leader Russell Moore tweeted, "Paula White is a charlatan and recognized as a heretic by every orthodox Christian, of whatever tribe."


Her teachings imply Jesus comes from Satan.
---StrongAxe on 11/5/21


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Some desire to claim Israels covenant promises, while at the same time avoiding Gods covenant curses.
---michael_e on 11/5/21


Well seeing God gave ISRAEL the Nation LAND, AND we can read in the Old Covenant the blessings and cursings that God explicitly laid down for the Nation if they obey, BLESSINGS, and disobedience CURSINGS, The LAND was included in the blessings and cursings. One of the cursings is that God would drive them off the land which he eventually did after Solomon sinned and died.

This is also unfortunately what the gospel of America preaches in this country that America is God's new promised land and we are God's new chosen people and that's why you see that verse everywhere in this country. It's FALSE DOCTRINE.

Today GOD'S PEOPLE are IN CHRIST, and are not wicked unless you are calling Jesus wicked.
---kathr4453 on 11/5/21


If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Unfortunately, many don't do this. Instead of humbling themselves, they become people of great importance, and instead of letting the Lord heal their land, would rather do it themselves with their own hands.

Christians of various groups have been making this mistake over and over again for the past two thousand years, and it gave us such things as the Dark Ages, the Inquisition, witch burnings, Conquistadores pillaging a continent "in the name of God and King", and other similar atrocities.
---StrongAxe on 11/4/21


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