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What Is The Strong Delusion

WHAT do you believe is the strong delusion?

Is it an animal?

Is it a person?

Is it a spirit or some combination of both animal and person?

...it is a secret that is not supposed to AND WON'T be discovered (except by "he who has wisdom").

Moderator - An animal? Please explain.

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ax: Because of you and the other Communists among us, our country (USA) is being destroyed. Now the feckless Biden and his team are destroying the entire world. I thought you Communist hippie types were against war, but they seem intent on starting WW3.


---jerry6593 on 3/8/22


Trav:

You keep mentioning LIYOM like a broken record. The only person here who is a legend in his own mind is YOU.

Yes, this is not Denmark. Denmark has a MUCH BETTER RECORD of reducing abortion. The U.S. doesn't - because conservative Americans refuse to learn from example.
---StrongAxe on 3/3/22


Trav:
You wrote: Wow, it is eye opening to hear some of the spiritual insanity in your post.
ax wrote:
The light bulb has burned out, and I show you how to change it!
---StrongAxe on 3/1/22

Wow. You are in the dark, was obvious anyway. Its your bulb.
You wanna show someone else how to change your light bulb. First of all Ive shut your electricity off. Bulbs fine. Your just in a dark left lib closet.
So ends up the left lib Tenant is the problem.
This not Denmark and you stand with the foolish platform of abortionist +, Go to China they will put your bulb in.
Scripturally speaking what GOD does with LIYOMs :

Psa 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
---Trav on 3/3/22


Trav:

You wrote: Wow, it is eye opening to hear some of the spiritual insanity in your post.

HOW, exactly is it insane? Be specific. I have repeatedly shown that progressive attitudes towards problems like abortion, drugs, etc. are MUCH MORE SUCCESSFUL at reducing them, by treating the root causes, rather than treating the symptoms as moral problems.

The light bulb has burned out, and I show you how to change it, yet you ignore me and instead scream at the light bulb "How DARE you burn out!", and want to pass laws that make it illegal for bulbs to burn out - and YOU call ME insane?!
---StrongAxe on 3/1/22


The fact that not one conservative that has heard about this is willing to do this is very telling. It shows they care about moral high ground ***.
---StrongAxe on 2/26/22

Wow, it is eye opening to hear some of the spiritual insanity in your post. Am amazed you think you make an intelligent argument by politically supporting, defending platforms that uphold abortion then act like you are against it. We all see your hypocrisy.
At least you admit finally you are leftist and not conservative.
Come all the way out, you are sooooo close.
Rom 9:4 Who are Israelites, to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises,
---Trav on 3/1/22




My understand is that the delusion is you can live in hate and sin. Yet sill go to heaven.

That the command to love everyone is not true.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/26/22


Trav:

I have NEVER promoted abortion. STOP BEARING FALSE WITNESS.

I would like to see abortion reduced as much as possible, ideally to zero. Do you? Because I have shown you a method that ACTUALLY WORKS better to reduce abortion than prohibition methods that conservatives keep trying to push here. If Conservatives were REALLY SERIOUS about protecting children, instead of just Pharisaically pointing accusing fingers, they would look at this too.

The fact that not one conservative that has heard about this is willing to do this is very telling. It shows they care about moral high ground more than they care about the children they sanctimoniously claim to protect.
---StrongAxe on 2/26/22


Trav:
Progressives want abortion legal, safe,
*** but never mentioned LGBT.
YOU claim to be a Christian?
---StrongAxe on 2/22/22

Now you are a progressive. Ha. Progressive abomination promoter.

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
.
I Believe in Christ and his missions. Ive proved them by OT and NT.

Mat 15:24 I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Luk 19:10For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

2Co 4:3But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
---Trav on 2/25/22


Trav:

Progressives want abortion legal, safe, AND RARE. Conservatives use prohibition and condemnation. The former is MORE SUCCESSFUL at lowering it. Same with drugs. Portugal recently legalized ALL drugs, and drug use and ODs have gone WAY DOWN. Treating causes solves problems. Condemning users is Pharisaical moral posturing.

Jesus condemned remarriage, but never mentioned LGBT. Cake shops never refuse cakes for remarried divorcees. Why choke on gnats and swallow camels? Explain that.

YOU support a leader who claims to be a Christian, yet breaks all commandments, practices vengeance instead of forgiveness, never goes to church, and doesn't even know which end of a Bible is face up - so how can YOU claim to be a Christian?
---StrongAxe on 2/22/22


In all the years here, I NEVER said I am pro abortion, pro gay, or anti gun.
---StrongAxe on 2/9/22

When you support, defend and promote the present admin that is for these abominations, then you show where your lawless heart is. Disgusting. And on a Christian blog you are the enemy of Christianity. A fence straddler at best an alien imposter as you have proven by your own testimony.

Heb 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

You have no laws that is apparent in your post.
---Trav on 2/21/22




jerry6593:

Which of God's commands have I violated, exactly? Be specific. With ACTUAL proof, not just rhetoric.

YOU, however are constantly bearing false witness against me, here, on these blogs. That IS a biblical prohibition, and I AM being specific.

Lies against me: that I'm a communist.

Lies against others: that the "current regime" is communist, and Biden's being elected was a delusion.

All the "facts" you espouse are proven lies

WRONG. In over a year, NO proof of stolen election has been given. 60 lawsuits were filed. ALL failed. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? You have NONE. Just false accusations.
---StrongAxe on 2/18/22


Trav:
Supporting a leader who is pro-some things doesn't mean being pro-all those things.
---StrongAxe on 2/15/22

Your hero supports and sides with abominations. Trump openly fought them and socialist like yourself. Sure he broke commandments. Same as you. Your opinion and judgement doesnt even count for anything. You are an alien imposter here. Take your failed socialist propaganda to china.
Youve made your evil choices and your choices make you.

Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
---Trav on 2/18/22


The delusion is false doctrine. That a person who lives in hate goes to heaven because they said certain words.

Love shows who is saved.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/19/22


ax: "Don't throw stones if you don't want them bouncing back at you."

Good advice. You should heed it. It is you who violates God's commandments - not me.


---jerry6593 on 2/18/22


Ruben:

I mean everywhere, not just here. The reason is anti-abortion people want to stop abortions, yes? I've often shown (but nobody wants to listen) treating root causes as a social/medical issue WORKS, while treating symptoms as a moral/legal one doesn't. It's the same with drugs, homelessness, crime, and many other social issues.

Trav:

Supporting a leader who is pro-some things doesn't mean being pro-all those things. Trump was an adulterer who violated most of the Ten Commandments. You support him. Does that mean YOU support adultery and breaking most of the Ten Commandments? Using YOUR OWN logic, one would have to say that. Don't throw stones if you don't want them bouncing back at you.
---StrongAxe on 2/15/22


Ruben:

Why is this discussed?
---StrongAxe on 2/14/22

1)//I showed Denmark has the lowest abortion rate in the world, despite abortion being legal, and why. Conservatives ignore this//

No explanation on why! Conservatives states had put into laws limitations likes Texas and others and these have been just recently.

//The United States does NOT have "abortion on demand". All states have time limitations.//

Not all states. China, North Korea, Russia and the USA have more abortions then any others
How is that not "abortion on demand"? Those in powers in the USA are trying to stop every law for pro-life!

I will let you have the last words so we can more on.
---Ruben on 2/15/22


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In all the years here, I NEVER said I am pro abortion, pro gay, or anti gun.
You just make these false accusations based on ZERO evidence.
This is a textbook example of Bearing False Witness.
---StrongAxe on 2/9/22

Hey genius. who and what you vehemently support and defend (the current admin pro abortion, pro gay, anti gun) revealed who you are! Their muppet, puppet. Their causes are your causes. Your are not Canadian they run you off you said. You hide here as an Imposter. Vomiting up your disgusting socialist propaganda. We see you clearly. Scripture outs you weekly. Its your witness that reveals you daily. Slink away. Your work failed.
Psa 50:19Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.
---Trav on 2/15/22


Ruben:

Why is this discussed? To reduce/eliminate abortion? Two approaches:
1) Treat it a moral/legal problem, pass laws against it, and condemn people who do it.
or 2) Treat it as a social/medical problem, and create infrastructure to lower the demand.
History shows 2 is more effective.

U.S. War on Drugs treats drugs as a moral/legal problem, and passes laws against it. U.S. has the highest per capita prison population in the world. Portugal decriminalized ALL drugs and treats them as a social/medical issue, treating rather than condemning it - and drug use and drug abuse decreased dramatically.

A woman was taken in adultery. Pharisees condemned. Jesus had a better way.
---StrongAxe on 2/14/22


StrongAxe *"Conception" is not even a precise scientific term. Does it mean fertilization? Implanation? It's not clear.

It's very clear! "Science teaches without reservation that life begins at fertilization (conception). It is a scientific fact that an organism exists after fertilization that did not exist before."

StrongAxe *Over 50% of fertilized embryos never implant - by design.

It's not by design. And there is no way you can prove it.

Meanwhile, the Bible everywhere says life begins at the first breath.

Please read Genesis 38:9

StrongAxe *(And no, I don't favor abortion.)

So are you pro-choice?
---Ruben on 2/13/22


jerry6593:

The Bible condemns bearing false witness. You should avoid it, if you care.

The current regime is NOT Communist. Are you allowed to own your home and other property? Yes. Are churches allowed to exist? Are you allowed to preach the gospel without being sent to jail? Yes. NONE of these things are permitted in communist countries. These rights are enshrined in the Constitution, which is very hard to amend, even if someone wanted to do so.

Jobs went up 2.4% under Clinton, 1% under Obama - but only 0.6% under Bush 1, 0.3% under Bush 2, and DOWN 0.5% under Trump - and up 3.4% during just his first 8 months under Biden.

So what criteria do YOU use to think this is bad?
---StrongAxe on 2/13/22


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Ruben:

In CA, CT, HI, ME, NY, WA, abortion is only legal until viability, so it's not "on demand".

Abortion is only available without restriction in AK, DC, NJ, NM, OR, VT. 59% of Americans believe it should be legal in all or most cases, while 39% say it should be illegal.

I knew that, but 150 word limit forces posts to be concise. My point was the Texas law allows lawsuits without Standing, and regardless of who is being sued or why, such an exception is Very Bad Law and sets a dangerous precedent. Allowing total strangers with no interest in a case to sue can clog up the courts with frivolous lawsuits, and could put EVERYONE in danger of being sued by random people for any reason.
---StrongAxe on 2/12/22


axster: You are officially a useful idiot of the Communist Party. Anyone who thinks that America is better off under the the current Communist regime has on blinders and ear plugs.
---jerry6593 on 2/13/22


Ruben:

"Conception" is not even a precise scientific term. Does it mean fertilization? Implanation? It's not clear.

Over 50% of fertilized embryos never implant - by design. If life begins at fertilization, God himself aborts half of all embryos. There have been 117 billion humans ever, so God aborted at least that number himself, making him the biggest abortionist ever. Do you believe that?

Meanwhile, the Bible everywhere says life begins at the first breath. If two men fought and their pregnant wife intervenes and gets punched and miscarries, that's only a fine (despite penalty for manslaughter being death).

(And no, I don't favor abortion.)
---StrongAxe on 2/12/22


StrongAxe *The United States does NOT have "abortion on demand". All states have time limitations.

Washington, New York, Oregon, California, Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico, Maine, Vermont, Connecticut, New Jersey

Abortion is legal in these states.

*There are few to no restrictions and abortion is accessible - *


StrongAxe * the Texas law allowing ANYONE to sue a woman or doctor is bad law, as it allows lawsuits without standing -

Not just anyone but those who
to be knowledge like nurses and clinics! You have not been
paying attention:)
---Ruben on 2/12/22


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(Also, the "beat" isn't a "heartbeat", because there's no heart yet.)

---StrongAxe on 2/11/22

Science Affirms Policy that Protects Human Life

Science demonstrates that human life begins at conception, and knowledge of prenatal development affirms the humanity of unborn children. Heartbeats can be detected by roughly six weeks. A baby can move in the womb around eight weeks.

The following week, all basic physiological features are present. At 10 weeks, a baby begins to form hair and fingernails. A baby may hiccup at 11 weeks. At 12 weeks, a baby can sense stimulation from outside the womb, and has the capacity to feel pain.
---Ruben on 2/12/22


Hi, Strong Ax . . . I do not believe in abortion, but I think there can be wrong ways to go against it. A number of women have been threatened so they get an abortion. So, threatening them might not be what to do. They need help to love their unborn, with whom they can learn real love.

But I would say no law can make a person love. So, part of the delusion might include how ones suppose they can use law to make people do what is really good.
---Bill on 2/12/22


Ruben:

The United States does NOT have "abortion on demand". All states have time limitations.

Roe vs. Wade says it's illegal for states to deprive women of the right to an abortion, and the Texas 6 week law does that, as most women don't even know they're pregnant by then. (Also, the "beat" isn't a "heartbeat", because there's no heart yet.)

Also, the Texas law allowing ANYONE to sue a woman or doctor is bad law, as it allows lawsuits without standing - total strangers can sue, and some have done so. Standing is very important in law, and throwing it out the window opens a door to many frivolous lawsuits over many issues.

If you think I voted for Biden, you haven't been paying attention.
---StrongAxe on 2/11/22


StrongAxe,

Denmark has restrictions on abortion after 12 weeks. While countries like CHINA, NORTH KOREA RUSSIA and get this USA have abortion on demand!The current powers in the white house are trying with all they can to make sure abortion is here to stay.

The Texas Heart Beat that was pass this September was challenge by the white House many times, thanks be to God it still stands! They are still trying to pass abortions laws on demand as we speak.

How are Conservatives not saving babies, when they are fighting against abortions? You have said that you are not pro-abortion, but yet you voted for the most pro abortion President IN THE HISTORY OF THE USA! And probably with out a remorse.
---Ruben on 2/11/22


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Trav:

I showed Denmark has the lowest abortion rate in the world, despite abortion being legal, and why. Conservatives ignore this, proving they're more interested in condeming women than saving children, becuase if they were, they would follow Denmark's example.

Instead of addressing this issue, you make personal, because I'm not American (true), not Canadian (a LIE) and not Christian (another LIE).

In all the years here, I NEVER said I am pro abortion, pro gay, or anti gun. You just make these false accusations based on ZERO evidence. This is a textbook example of Bearing False Witness. Clean up your own act before trying to clean up mine.
---StrongAxe on 2/9/22


Trav:
I repeatedly showed progressive countries that reduce unwanted pregnancies***
---StrongAxe on 2/7/22

Yes you dont.
Ye repeatedly show that you are Non American, non Canadian, Non Christian.
You do represent well your father which is not GOD.
You are pro abortion, pro gay, anti- gun.
Throw salt of scripture on you and you froth like a yard slug. Disgusting. Go where your kind thrive N Korea, china. Be with your own.
Psa 14:7Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the LORD bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

It has! They are!
---Trav on 2/9/22


Trav:

I repeatedly showed progressive countries that reduce unwanted pregnancies are MUCH BETTER at reducing abortion than those that just outlaw it, but people like you who would rather condemn others than ACTUALLY fix the problem don't want to hear it.

After your constant badgering, I did say I am a man, but you conveniently forgot because it doesn't suit your condemn-all-you-disagree-with agenda. You constant talk about "running", yet you are the one who constantly avoids the truth. You repeatedly make vague accusations against me, but when I ask you to be specific, you never are. Why? Are you afraid of being caught bearing false witness? Or do you even care, since you seem to violate that so frequently?
---StrongAxe on 2/7/22


You're good at vaguely accusing people without saying what you're accusing them of.
---StrongAxe on 2/7/22

Ha. well see your scuz bag abortion supporting buddy go down. Just a matter of time. All your propaganda is just that. Your fear is obvious.
Man up? Ha. You never admitted or shown you are one. You have no wife, no kids, no grandkids. All weak lip. Youve shown your run colors for years. Most socialist liberals run when no one is chasing.

Psa 14:5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.
---Trav on 2/7/22


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Trav:

List SPECIFIC laws Biden broke.

Trump knew of Russian interference in 2016 and did nothing. He and his family defrauded charities for VETERANS and KIDS WITH CANCER, so are not allowed to run charities in New York anymore. He and Giuliani tried to coerce Georgia into throwing him 2020 electoral votes, and are is now under criminal investigation there. He encouraged the Jan. 6 insurrectionists. He repeatedly encouraged criminal activity and promised pardons for it.

Lifestyle maybe?

What, exactly, are you insinuating? If you have an accusation to make, be a man and actually say it.

You're good at vaguely accusing people without saying what you're accusing them of. Typical misdirection.
---StrongAxe on 2/7/22


Lies. Treason. Obstruction of justice. Threats. The list goes on.
---StrongAxe on 2/2/22
Ha, Sounds like Biden and family.
Sounds like Trump was gonna deport you an alien? Is this why you hate him so? Tell the Christians here the real reason why you stand with, promote the current, slimy and failing baby killer party. Lifestyle maybe?
Americans tolerate your type of confusion some. Having seen the ignorance of the governments u and others run from to live here. What is amazing is you are exactly like what you flee. Indoctrinated. Wow.
Pro 26:11As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Pro 26:12Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
---Trav on 2/6/22
---Trav on 2/7/22


Trav:

No. Here is a man who went into a fair election claiming that the only way he could lose was if somebody cheated. That's not how fair contests work - EVERYONE has a shot. The fact that he assumes that he HAS to win means he had no intention of it being a fair election.

And the fact that he keeps repeating the lie that he won, and has convinced people to believe that lie, and encouraged them to attempt to overthrow the government (felony election interference) is criminal. There is now a grand jury in Atlanta investing him trying to get Georgia to throw the election to him. It's just a matter of time before he's behind bars.

Nice try to make it about me, while ignoring his obvious criminal activities.
---StrongAxe on 2/6/22


Lies. Treason. Obstruction of justice. Threats. The list goes on. And you revere such a criminal!
---StrongAxe on 2/2/22

Ha, Trump was gonna deport you? Is this why you hate him so? Tell the Christians here the real reason why you stand with, promote the current, slimy and failing baby killer party.
Americans tolerate your type of confusion some. Having seen the ignorance of the governments u and others run from to live here. What is amazing is you are exactly like what you flee. Indoctrinated. Wow.
Pro 26:11As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.
Pro 26:12Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.
---Trav on 2/6/22


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Trav:

Inflation is high ALL OVER THE WORLD, as economies shut down by COVID for a year are re-opening.

Iniquity and deceit?! Trump lied about "stolen election" for over a year, but there is no evidence of that, and 60+ failed lawsuits. This lie encourged his fans to attempt a coup last Jan. 6 and Republicans in 3 states to send forged electoral votes to the National Archives.

A few days ago, he announced that if he was re-elected, he would pardon these traitors, and threatened violence against prosecutors preparing charges against him for election interference.

Lies. Treason. Obstruction of justice. Threats. The list goes on. And you revere such a criminal!
---StrongAxe on 2/2/22


f you think America was better after Trump than before, YOU should apply your own words to yourself.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/22

You are a committed, deluded canalien making up the shrinking 17% of bidenite deluded supporters. Over 7% inflation. Highest in 40 years. You supported, defend the indefensible as a bidenite. A supporter of everything opposed to the Christianity or America. Nice to see you fully exposed. Ever seen maggots squirming? They are wiser contributors and useful, they dont say anything stupid.
Psa 36:3The words of his mouth are iniquity and deceit: he hath left off to be wise, and to do good.
Psa 36:4He deviseth mischief upon his bed, he setteth himself in a way that is not good, he abhorreth not evil.
---Trav on 2/2/22


Trav:
Yes, Israel is found from Genesis to Revelation.

You keep ignoring scriptures like John 10:16:
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: t.

These sheep are NOT part of Israel,
---StrongAxe on 1/24/22

Again He is speaking to Judah in Jhn 10, his own family tribe who mostly did not accept him.
Only Israel is called Sheep in scripture, Christ is referring to the Nth House of Ten composing the other 1/2 of Israel. The same as in the wedding feast. So all Israel is saved Rom 11:26.
Joh 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
---Trav on 1/30/22


Just because someone in the Bible quoted from a book, that doesn't necessarily mean that the quoted book is necessarily worth also including in the Bible. .
---StrongAxe


First none of those quotes were part of the Septuagint, which was the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures used by early Christians.

Second How do you know that Enoch is not inspire if it was not by the Councils who compile the books.

Third 1611 KJV had a list of Holy Days to be observed, like all saints day and other saints day!

Fourth 1611 KJV also had cross references to the books you are missing,

Matthew 6:7 the note in the margin reads, Ecclus. 7:16,

Matthew 23:37 the note in the margin reads, Wisd. 2:15,16,
---Ruben on 1/28/22


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What is "strong delusion"?

Well, 2 Thessalonians 2:11 says >

"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie," (2 Thessalonians 2:11)

Well, we might understand this by reading what the "reason" is (c:

It looks like it is saying that people have refused God, and so God has let them go into all the trouble and deceit that they get by being with Satan. They get intimate with feelings of pleasure, instead of sharing as family with God, then comes the misery and ruin.
---Bill on 1/26/22


The delusion is that even though people will read the Bible. They will choose to bend the words so they can live in hate and sin yet still go to heaven.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/26/22


Ruben:

Just because someone in the Bible quoted from a book, that doesn't necessarily mean that the quoted book is necessarily worth also including in the Bible. Jude 1:14 is an almost verbatim quote from 1 Enoch 1:8, a book that is considered pseudepigraphia (i.e. written by someone else than it claims to be). Paul even quoted several pagan Greek poets.
---StrongAxe on 1/25/22


-Trav*Context of the entire book is ALL Israels relationship with GOD. This collective was written by Israel, too Israel.

So why did not Israels put the bible together? And why are you missing 7 books , who Jesus and the apostles quote several times in the NT?

Examples:

Matt. 2:16 Herods order of slaying innocent children was prophesied in Wis. 11:7 slaying the holy innocents

Heb 11:35 Paul teaches about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons you can find this story in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
---Ruben on 1/25/22


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Trav:

Yes, Israel is found from Genesis to Revelation (singular, no S at the end). But it's NOT the only subject of those books.

You keep ignoring scriptures like John 10:16:
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

These sheep are NOT part of Israel, but Jesus will gather them, and join them to Israel.

And Matthew 22, the parable of the Wedding Feast. When those who were bidden did not come, the king got his servants to invite other guests.
---StrongAxe on 1/24/22


Trav:
No. The context of the "entire book" is NOT "Israel's relationship with God".
whole message of the New Testament is that Jesus came to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" -
most of them rejected him. Did you forget the parable of the Wedding Feast?
---StrongAxe on 1/21/22

Context? You do not even understand this word. Israel is found from Genesis to Revelations.
If most of Israel rejected Christ there wouldnt be a Bible. Judah, Christ own family rejected Christ. The Lost Sheep composed of the Divorced North House accepted then and now.
You claim neither as viable or family, climbing in another way. Therefore it is impossible for you to see or hear the message to them.
---Trav on 1/23/22


jerry6593:

17 govt. agencies said Russia hacked 2016 election. Trump was not directly complicit, but knew it was going on, and did nothing to stop it.

2nd impeachment had 232197 and 55-45 House+Senate majorities. NOT "exoneration". It only failed because impeachment requires 2/3 majority.

Asking Ukr. president to target Hunter (that US President has no jurisdictin in) to hurt Biden's election chances was using power of his office to interfere with an election - which IS impeachable.

They are held for trial - like EVERY other trial in this country. Due process where actual evidence is presented.

If you think America was better after Trump than before, YOU should apply your own words to yourself.
---StrongAxe on 1/23/22


axster:

Do you believe that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the 2016 election as alleged by Communist Dems and investigated/exonerated for 3.5 years.

Do you believe that Trump deserved multiple impeachments for a perfectly normal phone call to the Ukrainian President?

Do you think that the Jan 6 witch hunt is authentic, and that the imprisonment of innocent Americans without due process for over a year is acceptable?

Do you think that Biden was a good choice, and that America is better off today than it was a year ago?

If you answer "yes" to any of the above, then you are a certified useful idiot of the Communist Party.


---jerry6593 on 1/23/22


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jerry6593:

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin love DARVO: Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. They tell people to hate the media, because because a free press is their major threat. Trump does the same - because their reporting the truth hurts him. He is the enemy of truth.

Right-wing media is fake news. By Biblical standard of "2-3 witnesses", they keep losing. Alex Jones said Sandy Hook never happened, and called dead kids' parents actors. They sued, he lost every suit. Fox avoided a defamation suit by ADMITTING nobody in their right minds takes Tucker Carlson seriously. Dominion has multiple billion-dollar lawsuits against Fox, NewsMax, OANN, Giuliani, Lindell, Powell, etc. You lie, you pay.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/22


Trav:

I don't need to talk about Israel, because you already do, and space is limited.

No. The context of the "entire book" is NOT "Israel's relationship with God". That is a big part of it, yes, but a lot of it happened before Israel even existed, and the whole message of the New Testament is that Jesus came to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" - but most of them rejected him, so after his death, his message is now open to everyone. Did you forget the parable of the Wedding Feast? All who were invited made excuses, so the bridegroom told his servants to go and find new guests.

Israel WILL come back eventually - but that time is not yet.
---StrongAxe on 1/21/22


Trav:
Yes, God's covenant IS good news - ***TO ISRAEL***. But not when you tell it to people who ***ARE NOT ISRAEL***
"This cake is delicious, but you can't have any." It's cruel.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/22

In your words dont mention it. Ignore it. Hide it. Distort and abort. Wow. Yet again.

Context of the entire book is ALL Israels relationship with GOD. This collective was written by Israel, too Israel. She was chosen like a wife in OT. No other. She failed by adultery as a wife the first time. She is now given a second chance. Heb 8:8-10, Jer 31:31-33.
Servanthood is not Cake.
It is Truth that is delicious.
GOD is GOD of all.
We all live better by Israels examples.
---Trav on 1/21/22


jerry6593:

If that were really true, where is the evidence? It's been over a year, and still nothing other than Republicans here and there caught cheating. Why are you and so many Republicans convinced Trump won? What evidence do you base YOUR strong belief on? (And no, "Trump deserved to win, so he must have" is not evidence.)

If there is such strong evidence that makes you believe so strongly, why has nobody presented it yet? Mike Lindell, the MyPillow guy claimed for months that there was so much evidence that would convince everyone, he would present at his August Symposium - a huge nothing burger.

You will know a tree by its fruit, and your "Trump Won" tree hasn't produced a single piece of fruit.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/22


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jerry6593:

Many Jan 6 participants had ample pro-Trump presence on social media. Records exist of government agents planning it.

Trump is incapable of accepting a loss in anything, whether golf or politics, and he told that lie often enough that his followers believe it.

EVERY state (including Republcian ones) certified election results saying Biden won. Republicans in WI, MI, AZ tried to submit fraudulent electoral results to National Archives. Arizona audit confirmed Biden win. Trump and Giuliani are on tape asking Georgia to throw out election results and call him the winner. 65 lawsuits challenged election results AND ALL LOST.

Yet 30% of Republicans STILL believe the lie that Trump won. THIS is strong delusion.
---StrongAxe on 1/19/22


A strong delusion is that Joe Biden is the legitimately elected President of the USA, or that Jan. 6 2021 was an insurrection by right-wing extremists.

Those are merely tactics from the Communist playbook.

Let's Go Brandon!


---jerry6593 on 1/19/22


Trav:

YET AGAIN, you totally missed the context.

Yes, God's covenant IS good news - ***TO ISRAEL***. But not when you tell it to people who ***ARE NOT ISRAEL*** and furthermore tell them that God's covenant doesn't apply to them, because they're not Israel. It's like waving a cake in front of a hungry man and saying "This cake is delicious, but you can't have any." It's cruel.

God doesn't say that. The WHOLE POINT of the Gospel is that God's covenant - previously available to Israel ONLY - is now available to ANYONE who believes, regardless of their ancestry. You seem unable to understand this.

This is "ChristiaNet", not "IsraelNet". It's for everyone, whether they're Israel or not.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/22


You constantly talking about God's covenant with Israel ****. What kind of "Good news" is that?!
---StrongAxe on 1/16/22


What kind of News is that?!!!
Wow. Since it is addressed specifically to them, coming from GOD. Its called Good News.
So posting a specific scripture that GOD spoke to both Houses of Israel is obviously something you abhor.
I post their scripture that expose your opinions as fraud.
Hmmm the book was written by Israel to all Israel for all Israel. Israel is the context. They were, and are servants of GOD. Your animosity displays towards their scriptures explains you and is your testimony.

Ignore them. What you do obviously and always have done anyway.
---Trav on 1/18/22


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Trav:

Exactly what "doctrines" are those, exactly? You constantly condemn what you think I believe, without ever actually stating what you take objection to. Be specific.

I *NEVER* said the scriptures you post are invalid, just in many cases, they aren't applicable to the specific subject being discussed. E.g. just because God made a covenant with Israel, that *DIDN'T* prevent him from making a new covenant that also includes others.

You constantly talking about God's covenant with Israel and insisting he never made a covenant with everyone else implies everyone else is destined for hell, without hope - so your Gospel is just rubbing their noses in it. What kind of "Good news" is that?!
---StrongAxe on 1/16/22


Trav:
cherry-picking a verse here or there out of context just to "prove" one's pet doctrines - which you do all the time.
---StrongAxe on 1/9/22

Thank you for confirming again my post are considered scriptural cherry picking, out of context to you. They are linking proof witnesses to those that see and hear them. The verses I post are rarely for you but, posted to those called Sheep in scripture. Just because your doctrines cannot allow Israels scriptures to speak, will never discourage the message they confer..
This one for instance: Heb 8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 1/15/22


Good points strong ax

The strong delusion is that a person can go to heaven. While living in hate and sin.

I am not talking about struggles with sin. But giving up to live in sin as if it is okay.

Read Jude.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/13/22


In my opinion the strong delusion is life our whole life that we may have based on goodness and sincerely yet without biblical confirmation is perhaps at the appointed time not what God has planned.
---Ddd434 on 1/10/22


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Trav:

Which "blind doctrines" are those? Please be specific.

I'm suggesting that EVERY part of the Bible needs to be studied within the context that it was written - not just cherry-picking a verse here or there out of context just to "prove" one's pet doctrines - which you do all the time.

Note that Romans was specifically written *to the Romans*, and NOT to Israel, but of course, with your "Everything is about Israel" doctrine, you have to make it all about them.

I also note that you answered this 3 weeks after I posted it. Were you just bored, and searching for some post of mine that you hadn't attacked yet?
---StrongAxe on 1/9/22


RichardC:
When looking at any scripture, you need to look at the entire context - in this case ALL of Romans 1:
1-2 Intro.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/21

Richard C: And immediately he chunks the prophets context for his own blind doctrines.
Rom 1:2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Pauls confirms that the witnesses for his writings are by promises of the prophets.
Context. All of Romans is written by an Israelite about All Israel to all Israel.
Rom 11:26 so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
---Trav on 1/7/22


It is a conspiracy theory. Where Satan uses lies and part truths to get people to do wrong.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/1/22


To get a better under standing of your question, you should read the total chapter 2 of 2 Thessalonians. Paul is writing that the Thessalonians that have been already told that accepting Christ as Savior, is the only way to get to heaven but they have rejected the message and are now being deluded by a false gospel that they think will allow them into heaven.
---WIVV on 12/20/21


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Strongeaxe : Those verse are first to come to my mind relating to Thessalonians 2 - Then I look up what Theologians had for comments on it, many went right to Romans also ,
---RichsrdC on 12/11/21


RichardC:

When looking at any scripture, you need to look at the entire context - in this case ALL of Romans 1:

1-2 Intro
3-20 Purpose and address

21-23 This is about people who KNEW God, but abandoned him for idols and animals
24-27 So God gave them up to their own lusts
28 being full of a reprobate mind, with ALL kinds of evil:
29-31 (lists of 23 different types of evil)
32 they KNOW the truth, yet willingly reject it, and take pleasure in others who do likewise

So this is about people who first knew God, but later abandoned him, so then LATER, as a result, he then let them do their own evil things because they abandoned him FIRST.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/21


Romans 1:28 - And even as they did not like retain God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient..

Romans 1:29 - Being filled with all unrighteousness, maliciousness : full of envy, murder, debate , deceit , malignity: whispers.

Romans 1:30 -Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things , disobedient to parents.

Romans 1:31 - Without understanding, covenant breakers , with out natural affection. implacable, unmerciful,

Romans 1:32 - Knowing the judgment of God, That they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them,
---RichardC on 12/10/21


This may be so JS1234, but those who are IN CHRIST and Christ in them, having the Indwelling Holy Spirit have this to keep from being spiritually deluded by false teachers.

I believe the question has to do with spiritual delusions. And Gods wrath is directed towards those who have not obeyed the Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/21


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When people are deluded they don't know they are deluded or they would not be deluded. We are probably all deluded in some respects.
---JS1234 on 12/9/21


In the 80's patriotism was being preached in Christian Churches. Out of nowhere the American Flag was behind the podium. Then pictures began going up with Jesus kneeling at the foot of the American flag with the Verse 2 Chronicles 7:14...."if my people will" .... I thought immediately this was blasphemy. Then the opening song at church was Patriotic songs, not hymns . At another Church, the message was how Thomas Jefferson RUINED America and it was all his fault we are where we are today. This was going on everywhere here. There was some national campaign infiltrating the churches in America. And here we are today...I see the most ungodly America to date. Why....because we took our eye off the Lord and exalted America.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/21


Strongaxe, my understanding of CC 4 spiritual laws say, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. Being able to come to the Father, in other words , mans relationship being restored to the Father "is salvation".

I also see another law , God loves all sinners, which I see as opposed to what Calvinism teaches.

But what I see is only half the truth. It's The same problem Billy Graham and a large percent of the shortcomings of evangelical preaching today. And maybe WHY this country has an issue of not being grounded IN CHRIST, and so easily lead astray ....as we do see. So something is horribly missing in the message I would agree.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/21


kathr4453:

Google a 5-part article by Brad Hicks, "Christians in the Hands of an Angry God".

Part 1: if you take the Bible literally, you must conclude "The gospel that is being taught in almost every evangelical and fundamentalist church in America is a false gospel, and it has condemned tens of millions of people to eternal damnation in the fires of Hell."

Part 2: Republicans since 1964 believed Communism was the greatest world threat, and they were the only ones who could stop it. They wooed evangelical voters into an unholy marriage by pretending to espouse evangelical talking points, and transformed the Gospel of Christ into a false Republican gospel.

Later parts deal with specific issues.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/21


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Amen Strongaxe. But I think this should be a measuring stick on where America is today as far as believing it is a Christian Nation. The new term is "evangelical nationalism". And it's been creeping in to the USA since the 50's. And got a strong foothold in the 70's. The Lord made me aware of it in the early 80's.

If you haven't seen the Documentary on Netflix called THE FAMILY, I would encourage everyone to watch and reflect. Christianity in America has been hijacked by a cult. And interestingly enough twisting scripture saying Trump was the WOLF KING they had been looking for for years, as a good thing. Jesus tells us the WOLF is Satan and his minions.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/21


In August 2019, Trump retweeted a message that said he was "the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world" and "the Jewish people in Israel love him like he's the King of Israel" and "They love him like he is the second coming of God."

Since Jesus has the title "King of Israel", this he agreed with a comment that called him better than David, Solomon, and even Jesus, and on par with the second coming of Jesus.

This is antichrist-level hubris and blasphemy. How strange that evangelicals didn't seem to have a problem with it - because many of them actually agree with it. Putting ANY human being into such a lofty position is strong delusion.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/21


The strong delusions are directed to those who obey not the Gospel. So this delusion would be believing anything but the Gospel. It has to do with believing the anti_Christ is actually Christ which is what "anti" here mean. It doesn't mean AGAINST CHRIST.

The beast is not an animal.

I believe God has exercised humanity over and over warning us of worshipping man over God. Yet, it appears men still fall for these delusions. In our lifetime we have Hitler, fallen ministers men worshipped over God, politicians men have worshipped over God.... And even after falling, still worship these disgraced beings. I call that delusional. It's all described in Romans 1. History repeating itself.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/21


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