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What Is The Strong Delusion

WHAT do you believe is the strong delusion?

Is it an animal?

Is it a person?

Is it a spirit or some combination of both animal and person?

...it is a secret that is not supposed to AND WON'T be discovered (except by "he who has wisdom").

Moderator - An animal? Please explain.

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axster:

Do you believe that Trump colluded with the Russians to win the 2016 election as alleged by Communist Dems and investigated/exonerated for 3.5 years.

Do you believe that Trump deserved multiple impeachments for a perfectly normal phone call to the Ukrainian President?

Do you think that the Jan 6 witch hunt is authentic, and that the imprisonment of innocent Americans without due process for over a year is acceptable?

Do you think that Biden was a good choice, and that America is better off today than it was a year ago?

If you answer "yes" to any of the above, then you are a certified useful idiot of the Communist Party.


---jerry6593 on 1/23/22


jerry6593:

Totalitarians like Hitler and Stalin love DARVO: Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. They tell people to hate the media, because because a free press is their major threat. Trump does the same - because their reporting the truth hurts him. He is the enemy of truth.

Right-wing media is fake news. By Biblical standard of "2-3 witnesses", they keep losing. Alex Jones said Sandy Hook never happened, and called dead kids' parents actors. They sued, he lost every suit. Fox avoided a defamation suit by ADMITTING nobody in their right minds takes Tucker Carlson seriously. Dominion has multiple billion-dollar lawsuits against Fox, NewsMax, OANN, Giuliani, Lindell, Powell, etc. You lie, you pay.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/22


Trav:

I don't need to talk about Israel, because you already do, and space is limited.

No. The context of the "entire book" is NOT "Israel's relationship with God". That is a big part of it, yes, but a lot of it happened before Israel even existed, and the whole message of the New Testament is that Jesus came to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel" - but most of them rejected him, so after his death, his message is now open to everyone. Did you forget the parable of the Wedding Feast? All who were invited made excuses, so the bridegroom told his servants to go and find new guests.

Israel WILL come back eventually - but that time is not yet.
---StrongAxe on 1/21/22


Trav:
Yes, God's covenant IS good news - ***TO ISRAEL***. But not when you tell it to people who ***ARE NOT ISRAEL***
"This cake is delicious, but you can't have any." It's cruel.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/22

In your words dont mention it. Ignore it. Hide it. Distort and abort. Wow. Yet again.

Context of the entire book is ALL Israels relationship with GOD. This collective was written by Israel, too Israel. She was chosen like a wife in OT. No other. She failed by adultery as a wife the first time. She is now given a second chance. Heb 8:8-10, Jer 31:31-33.
Servanthood is not Cake.
It is Truth that is delicious.
GOD is GOD of all.
We all live better by Israels examples.
---Trav on 1/21/22


jerry6593:

If that were really true, where is the evidence? It's been over a year, and still nothing other than Republicans here and there caught cheating. Why are you and so many Republicans convinced Trump won? What evidence do you base YOUR strong belief on? (And no, "Trump deserved to win, so he must have" is not evidence.)

If there is such strong evidence that makes you believe so strongly, why has nobody presented it yet? Mike Lindell, the MyPillow guy claimed for months that there was so much evidence that would convince everyone, he would present at his August Symposium - a huge nothing burger.

You will know a tree by its fruit, and your "Trump Won" tree hasn't produced a single piece of fruit.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/22




jerry6593:

Many Jan 6 participants had ample pro-Trump presence on social media. Records exist of government agents planning it.

Trump is incapable of accepting a loss in anything, whether golf or politics, and he told that lie often enough that his followers believe it.

EVERY state (including Republcian ones) certified election results saying Biden won. Republicans in WI, MI, AZ tried to submit fraudulent electoral results to National Archives. Arizona audit confirmed Biden win. Trump and Giuliani are on tape asking Georgia to throw out election results and call him the winner. 65 lawsuits challenged election results AND ALL LOST.

Yet 30% of Republicans STILL believe the lie that Trump won. THIS is strong delusion.
---StrongAxe on 1/19/22


A strong delusion is that Joe Biden is the legitimately elected President of the USA, or that Jan. 6 2021 was an insurrection by right-wing extremists.

Those are merely tactics from the Communist playbook.

Let's Go Brandon!


---jerry6593 on 1/19/22


Trav:

YET AGAIN, you totally missed the context.

Yes, God's covenant IS good news - ***TO ISRAEL***. But not when you tell it to people who ***ARE NOT ISRAEL*** and furthermore tell them that God's covenant doesn't apply to them, because they're not Israel. It's like waving a cake in front of a hungry man and saying "This cake is delicious, but you can't have any." It's cruel.

God doesn't say that. The WHOLE POINT of the Gospel is that God's covenant - previously available to Israel ONLY - is now available to ANYONE who believes, regardless of their ancestry. You seem unable to understand this.

This is "ChristiaNet", not "IsraelNet". It's for everyone, whether they're Israel or not.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/22


You constantly talking about God's covenant with Israel ****. What kind of "Good news" is that?!
---StrongAxe on 1/16/22


What kind of News is that?!!!
Wow. Since it is addressed specifically to them, coming from GOD. Its called Good News.
So posting a specific scripture that GOD spoke to both Houses of Israel is obviously something you abhor.
I post their scripture that expose your opinions as fraud.
Hmmm the book was written by Israel to all Israel for all Israel. Israel is the context. They were, and are servants of GOD. Your animosity displays towards their scriptures explains you and is your testimony.

Ignore them. What you do obviously and always have done anyway.
---Trav on 1/18/22


Trav:

Exactly what "doctrines" are those, exactly? You constantly condemn what you think I believe, without ever actually stating what you take objection to. Be specific.

I *NEVER* said the scriptures you post are invalid, just in many cases, they aren't applicable to the specific subject being discussed. E.g. just because God made a covenant with Israel, that *DIDN'T* prevent him from making a new covenant that also includes others.

You constantly talking about God's covenant with Israel and insisting he never made a covenant with everyone else implies everyone else is destined for hell, without hope - so your Gospel is just rubbing their noses in it. What kind of "Good news" is that?!
---StrongAxe on 1/16/22




Trav:
cherry-picking a verse here or there out of context just to "prove" one's pet doctrines - which you do all the time.
---StrongAxe on 1/9/22

Thank you for confirming again my post are considered scriptural cherry picking, out of context to you. They are linking proof witnesses to those that see and hear them. The verses I post are rarely for you but, posted to those called Sheep in scripture. Just because your doctrines cannot allow Israels scriptures to speak, will never discourage the message they confer..
This one for instance: Heb 8:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
---Trav on 1/15/22


Good points strong ax

The strong delusion is that a person can go to heaven. While living in hate and sin.

I am not talking about struggles with sin. But giving up to live in sin as if it is okay.

Read Jude.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/13/22


In my opinion the strong delusion is life our whole life that we may have based on goodness and sincerely yet without biblical confirmation is perhaps at the appointed time not what God has planned.
---Ddd434 on 1/10/22


Trav:

Which "blind doctrines" are those? Please be specific.

I'm suggesting that EVERY part of the Bible needs to be studied within the context that it was written - not just cherry-picking a verse here or there out of context just to "prove" one's pet doctrines - which you do all the time.

Note that Romans was specifically written *to the Romans*, and NOT to Israel, but of course, with your "Everything is about Israel" doctrine, you have to make it all about them.

I also note that you answered this 3 weeks after I posted it. Were you just bored, and searching for some post of mine that you hadn't attacked yet?
---StrongAxe on 1/9/22


RichardC:
When looking at any scripture, you need to look at the entire context - in this case ALL of Romans 1:
1-2 Intro.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/21

Richard C: And immediately he chunks the prophets context for his own blind doctrines.
Rom 1:2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

Pauls confirms that the witnesses for his writings are by promises of the prophets.
Context. All of Romans is written by an Israelite about All Israel to all Israel.
Rom 11:26 so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
---Trav on 1/7/22


It is a conspiracy theory. Where Satan uses lies and part truths to get people to do wrong.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/1/22


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To get a better under standing of your question, you should read the total chapter 2 of 2 Thessalonians. Paul is writing that the Thessalonians that have been already told that accepting Christ as Savior, is the only way to get to heaven but they have rejected the message and are now being deluded by a false gospel that they think will allow them into heaven.
---WIVV on 12/20/21


Strongeaxe : Those verse are first to come to my mind relating to Thessalonians 2 - Then I look up what Theologians had for comments on it, many went right to Romans also ,
---RichsrdC on 12/11/21


RichardC:

When looking at any scripture, you need to look at the entire context - in this case ALL of Romans 1:

1-2 Intro
3-20 Purpose and address

21-23 This is about people who KNEW God, but abandoned him for idols and animals
24-27 So God gave them up to their own lusts
28 being full of a reprobate mind, with ALL kinds of evil:
29-31 (lists of 23 different types of evil)
32 they KNOW the truth, yet willingly reject it, and take pleasure in others who do likewise

So this is about people who first knew God, but later abandoned him, so then LATER, as a result, he then let them do their own evil things because they abandoned him FIRST.
---StrongAxe on 12/10/21


Romans 1:28 - And even as they did not like retain God in their knowledge, God gave them up to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient..

Romans 1:29 - Being filled with all unrighteousness, maliciousness : full of envy, murder, debate , deceit , malignity: whispers.

Romans 1:30 -Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things , disobedient to parents.

Romans 1:31 - Without understanding, covenant breakers , with out natural affection. implacable, unmerciful,

Romans 1:32 - Knowing the judgment of God, That they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them,
---RichardC on 12/10/21


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This may be so JS1234, but those who are IN CHRIST and Christ in them, having the Indwelling Holy Spirit have this to keep from being spiritually deluded by false teachers.

I believe the question has to do with spiritual delusions. And Gods wrath is directed towards those who have not obeyed the Gospel.
---kathr4453 on 12/10/21


When people are deluded they don't know they are deluded or they would not be deluded. We are probably all deluded in some respects.
---JS1234 on 12/9/21


In the 80's patriotism was being preached in Christian Churches. Out of nowhere the American Flag was behind the podium. Then pictures began going up with Jesus kneeling at the foot of the American flag with the Verse 2 Chronicles 7:14...."if my people will" .... I thought immediately this was blasphemy. Then the opening song at church was Patriotic songs, not hymns . At another Church, the message was how Thomas Jefferson RUINED America and it was all his fault we are where we are today. This was going on everywhere here. There was some national campaign infiltrating the churches in America. And here we are today...I see the most ungodly America to date. Why....because we took our eye off the Lord and exalted America.
---kathr4453 on 12/9/21


Strongaxe, my understanding of CC 4 spiritual laws say, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. And NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THROUGH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. Being able to come to the Father, in other words , mans relationship being restored to the Father "is salvation".

I also see another law , God loves all sinners, which I see as opposed to what Calvinism teaches.

But what I see is only half the truth. It's The same problem Billy Graham and a large percent of the shortcomings of evangelical preaching today. And maybe WHY this country has an issue of not being grounded IN CHRIST, and so easily lead astray ....as we do see. So something is horribly missing in the message I would agree.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/21


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kathr4453:

Google a 5-part article by Brad Hicks, "Christians in the Hands of an Angry God".

Part 1: if you take the Bible literally, you must conclude "The gospel that is being taught in almost every evangelical and fundamentalist church in America is a false gospel, and it has condemned tens of millions of people to eternal damnation in the fires of Hell."

Part 2: Republicans since 1964 believed Communism was the greatest world threat, and they were the only ones who could stop it. They wooed evangelical voters into an unholy marriage by pretending to espouse evangelical talking points, and transformed the Gospel of Christ into a false Republican gospel.

Later parts deal with specific issues.
---StrongAxe on 12/8/21


Amen Strongaxe. But I think this should be a measuring stick on where America is today as far as believing it is a Christian Nation. The new term is "evangelical nationalism". And it's been creeping in to the USA since the 50's. And got a strong foothold in the 70's. The Lord made me aware of it in the early 80's.

If you haven't seen the Documentary on Netflix called THE FAMILY, I would encourage everyone to watch and reflect. Christianity in America has been hijacked by a cult. And interestingly enough twisting scripture saying Trump was the WOLF KING they had been looking for for years, as a good thing. Jesus tells us the WOLF is Satan and his minions.
---kathr4453 on 12/8/21


In August 2019, Trump retweeted a message that said he was "the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world" and "the Jewish people in Israel love him like he's the King of Israel" and "They love him like he is the second coming of God."

Since Jesus has the title "King of Israel", this he agreed with a comment that called him better than David, Solomon, and even Jesus, and on par with the second coming of Jesus.

This is antichrist-level hubris and blasphemy. How strange that evangelicals didn't seem to have a problem with it - because many of them actually agree with it. Putting ANY human being into such a lofty position is strong delusion.
---StrongAxe on 12/7/21


The strong delusions are directed to those who obey not the Gospel. So this delusion would be believing anything but the Gospel. It has to do with believing the anti_Christ is actually Christ which is what "anti" here mean. It doesn't mean AGAINST CHRIST.

The beast is not an animal.

I believe God has exercised humanity over and over warning us of worshipping man over God. Yet, it appears men still fall for these delusions. In our lifetime we have Hitler, fallen ministers men worshipped over God, politicians men have worshipped over God.... And even after falling, still worship these disgraced beings. I call that delusional. It's all described in Romans 1. History repeating itself.
---kathr4453 on 12/7/21


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The dictionary says a delusion is a false belief or opinion, a fixed false belief resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.

Conspiracy theories are a good example. When confronted with evidence the theory is false, its believers double down and say "Oh! They got to you too!". When you provide them with much evidence, they call it fake - or with multiple witnesses, they believe the witnesses are just "in on it".

Such people won't even accept the truth when it's staring them plainly in the face. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-13 talks about such people. They are unwilling to accept the truth, so God effectively says, "OK, if you won't believe the truth, go ahead and believe this lie instead."
---StrongAxe on 12/6/21


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