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Many people only "WANT" from God whatever they can get (cold-hearted greed)...NOTHING MORE.

GOD cannot save anyone who does not fall madly in love with His son.

Heb 7:25
Consequently he is able for all time to save those who draw near to God through him

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Ruben
I study false doctrines trying to find their roots, in the hopes I can pull them out...root and all.

Took a long time, but I finally came to understand the foothold of the false doctrine. The problem is,...foundation. Many of the false doctrines, have built their foundation entirely on Paul's epistles. Now since Paul was not a false teacher, this shouldn't be a problem. But it does become a problem, when they do not teach Paul's epistles...in their entirety.

It can be a head scratcher for those of us who read Pauls epistles as a compilation, whereas they treat his epistles like one who dissects a frog in a biology class.
---David on 1/23/22


Reuben:

You wrote: We merit salvation by cooperating with God's grace to do the works he prepared for us! Mt 25:45...

Merit means we earn it - so it's not a gift.

I frequently refer to Matthew 25.

Still waiting for the scripture verse that tells me we are saved by Faith alone.

I literally quoted Ephesians: 2:8-9:
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.


Matthew 7:17-23 talks about those who boast.
---StrongAxe on 1/22/22


StrongAxe *Yes, the next verse says we are prepared for good works - but it doesn't say we are SAVED by those good works.

We merit salvation by cooperating with God's grace to do the works he prepared for us! Mt 25:45 " Truly I tell you , just as you DID NOT do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it me. And these will go away into ETERNAL PUNISHMENT"

StrongAxe * Salvation (a GIFT of God), and rewards for good works (which are earned) are two separate things.

But if you reject his gift, which we have free will and don't do the work prepared by God, the results will be the same..Eternal punishment!

Still waiting for the scripture verse that tells me we are saved by Faith alone.
---Ruben on 1/22/22


Ruben:

Yes, the next verse says we are prepared for good works - but it doesn't say we are SAVED by those good works. Yes. God will render to each according to his works. Elsewhere he says that our works are tested by fire, and those without good works will have their works burned up in the first - *even though they themselves are saved*. Salvation (a GIFT of God), and rewards for good works (which are earned) are two separate things.
---StrongAxe on 1/20/22


StrongAxe * Ephesians: 2:8-9:
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves:

The next verse says " For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for GOOD WORKS, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them."v 10

Paul reminds his audience in Romans that God " will render to every man according to his WORKS..RO 2: 6-7

StrongAxe *Matthew 7:22-23:

Jesus said the one who does the will of the Father not those who have faith only!

StrongAxe *1 Cor 3:11-15

This verse is an important witness to how believers in general will be judged after death! It is not by faith alone.








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---Ruben on 1/20/22




Reuben:

Ephesians: 2:8-9:
For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Works are NOT involved in our salvation, so we couldn't boast like this:

Matthew 7:22-23:
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

1 Cor 3:11-15 is specially says someone relying on works may be saved DESPITE works, but their works are destroyed.
---StrongAxe on 1/18/22


StrongAxe *We are SAVED by faith alone. We are JUSTIFIED by faith and works.

No where in scripture does it say we are save by faith alone. In fact the only place where the words faith and alone are together is in James 2:24 " not by faith alone."

StrongAxe * Paul says what happens to someone without works, or with bad works - they themselves are saved, although their works are destroyed as by fire.)

1 Cor 3:15 'if the works which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved." it has nothing to do about faith alone!
---Ruben on 1/18/22


Strong Axe, I am sure everyone can justify their greed on way or another. If all poor people want is food, then why do so many government dependants have $1500 iPhone? That could buy more food than I consume in a year.
---Rambo on 1/18/22


Rambo:

Poor want money for food. Rich want it for a yacht.

OVER HALF of Americans on SNAP are employed, working for corporations too greedy to pay them a decent living wage. WalMart employees receive $6.2 BILLION in public assistance - money taxpayers have to pay, because WalMart won't. Their shareholders pocket that amount themselves.

McDonald's is a close second. McDonald's employees in the U.S. (pre-COVID) made $13 an hour, and get 3 weeks of paid vacation. In Denmark, they get $22 and 6 weeks, and a pension. The price of the burgers are about the same. It's not that McDonald's can't afford to pay workers here more. They just don't want to, and the law doesn't make them.
---StrongAxe on 1/17/22


I doubt there are many people, if any, who do not wish for financial blessings. However many people have it in their mind that only the rich are greedy. When they hear the word "greed" the instinctively picture some corporate executive (probably white male) in a suit. They don't picture the person living on entitlement programs willfully taking something they didn't work for from someone else. Which is more greedy, wanting to keep what you worked for, or taking what rightfully belongs to someone else? The love of money is the root of all evil, not money itself. The poor can be just as preoccupied with money (or their lack thereof) as a rich person can.
---Rambo on 1/14/22




There are different judgements, and one is the Judgment of Nations as well. So yes there are different judgements. Those allowed to enter into the 1000 year reign will still be earthly and this is 1000 years before the Great White Throne Judgment. In Matthew 24-25 you will not see the Lambs Book of Life mentioned. Why, because this is not the final Judgements. This Judgements is immediately at Jesus 2nd coming to earth.

This also is not the Judgement Seat of Christ the BOC will by judged at.
---kathr4453 on 1/13/22


Ruben:

(Sorry, I said that was said by John, but it was actually Paul).

My point is that yes, these three remain, but our SALVATION is not rooted in all three of them.

We are SAVED by faith alone. We are JUSTIFIED by faith and works. (Elsewhere, Paul says what happens to someone without works, or with bad works - they themselves are saved, although their works are destroyed as by fire.)
---StrongAxe on 1/13/22


Sadly but so true. Too many Evangelicals are in it for the money.
---Samuelbb7 on 1/13/22


Exactly! John wrote that the three greatest things are Faith, Hope, and Love - yet we are saved by Faith, not by Hope, and not by Love. (Although, curiously enough, the judgment in Matthew 25 is based on Love, not Faith).
---StrongAxe on 1/12/22

"And now these three remain, Faith,Hope and Love. But the greatest of this is LOVE." 1 Cor 13:13

" For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, the only thing that counts is faith working through love." Gal 5:6

" You see that a person is justified by works and not bt FAITH ALONE." Jas 2:24
---Ruben on 1/12/22


kathr4453 :

You wrote: Strongaxe, I believe the verses in Matthew you always refer to is addressed to those who make it through the Great Tribulation after we see all that will come to pass in Matthew 24-25. You see Jesus as KING here on earth at that time.. Seeing the Great Tribulation is also know as the time of Jacob's Trouble, and anti_ Semitic will be at its height, the MY BRETHREN here are Jews Jesus is referring to. How the Jews are treated at that time, also is stated in Zachariah 12-14.

This judgement is not those saved by grace through faith today.


Jesus never made this distinction. He never said there was one set of rules for some people, and a different set of rules for others who come later.
---StrongAxe on 1/12/22


Hebrews 7:25. Is another way of saying " no one can come to the Father except THROUGH His Son.

Strongaxe, I believe the verses in Matthew you always refer to is addressed to those who make it through the Great Tribulation after we see all that will come to pass in Matthew 24-25. You see Jesus as KING here on earth at that time.. Seeing the Great Tribulation is also know as the time of Jacob's Trouble, and anti_ Semitic will be at its height, the MY BRETHREN here are Jews Jesus is referring to. How the Jews are treated at that time, also is stated in Zachariah 12-14.

This judgement is not those saved by grace through faith today.
---kathr4453 on 1/12/22


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kathr4453:

Exactly! John wrote that the three greatest things are Faith, Hope, and Love - yet we are saved by Faith, not by Hope, and not by Love. (Although, curiously enough, the judgment in Matthew 25 is based on Love, not Faith).
---StrongAxe on 1/12/22


God saves those who's faith is in His Son . No scripture says you must first be madly in love with Jesus before God will save you.

Those "many people" are not saved in the first place do they are getting nothing from God. They may be getting it from Satan pretending to be God, but not God.

And as long as Satan is feeding their greed, there is nothing you can say or do that will change their thinking. I don't think we need to worry about the MANY PEOPLE in that category. Let's focus on many people who need The Lord, not money.
---kathr4453 on 1/11/22


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