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Judgement In The House Of God

"For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)

Does this mean judgment needs to start "first" with whoever is right, then?

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I think it's important not to judge based on a hand full of renegade folks. I'm aware there are those who preach and live a cheap grace. This is what is called head knowledge.

Then we have folks like David who condemns EVERYONE who doesn't believe we achieve sinless perfection now. The opposite extreme view is just as dangerous.

No one here has agreed with his doctrine, but for some strange reason he's chosen to bully and stalk me alone ....IS SIN.

So those who claim to be sinless but SIN I think are just as delusional as those who purposely sin but think they are saved eternally.

This is what I believe 1 John is addressing....both sides of this argument.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/22

Dear kathyr

I would agree with you on Jerry.

We teach love words. Not just judge others. The number one rule of being a Christian is to walk in love of GOD and all human beings. Sadly most fail.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/26/22

Strongaxe, yes it's unfortunate those who have made a false profession of a cheap grace think they can get away with anything they want and are forgiven. Just as sad are RCC Who believe being RCC saves them who go out and sin and think all is well if they just confess and say a few hail Mary's. There are all sorts of perversions with those trafficking in the Gospel.

I've heard it Said that those in heaven will spend the first million years shocked at who is there and another million shocked at who isn't there.

Many are deceived by this or that, but scripture clearly shows if one has no conscience of sin, or say think they are sinless but sin with every breath and don't even call it sin....we can DISCERN something is amiss.
---kathr4453 on 2/20/22


The plus side of OSAS is "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus".

The down side is some people treat it like a permanent "get out of hell free" card - a license to do whatever one pleases without consequence. Paul condemns this attitude. (Samuel was talking about people like this).

I had a friend in the Christian publishing business. He got married and went on his honeymoon, and left his business in the hands of his trusted Christian associates. When he came back, he found they spent $70K of his money, formed their own competing company, and stole most of his clients - but they felt no guilt because Jesus forgives all sins, right?
---StrongAxe on 2/20/22

Samuel, OSAS does not believe one can live in hate. That was a hateful comment actually to those who believe OSAS who also know hate has no place in a Christians life. You need to remember and understand that MANY who say they are Christians, are not. God warns us of imposters.

---kathr4453 on 2/19/22

To walk in love is the goal of all Christian.

But as Jesus states in Matthew 25 there are many false Christians. Or Hypocrites. That is what we are to not do. But walk in genuine love.

All will be judged if they do right. Sadly many teach that a person who still lives in hate will go to heaven. That is called once saved always saved. The doctrine does not make people lost. The living in hate does.
---Samuelbb7 on 2/19/22

Bill, I agree. It reminds me of what Paul may have experienced as a Christian when reading the end of Roman's 7..OH WRETCHED MAN THAT I AM, WHO WILL DELIVER ME FROM THE BODY OF THIS DEATH. Now I know Job and those before the Cross could not say at that time..I THANK GOD THROUGH JESUS CHRIST, however when I read Hebrews 11 showing Moses chose the sufferings of Christ forsaking egypt...a type of "this world system", he in another way experienced this obedience OF FAITH they as well as us experience.

1 Peter 5:10 After you have suffered a while God will establish and strengthen ..IS this process of being made perfect in His Love.
---kathr4453 on 2/18/22

Bill just to also shows through Jobs life and sufferings that he in the end saw himself through God's eyes, and saw a deeper level of sin he couldn't see before. So I believe this suffering AKA today the fellowship of His sufferings does bring to the surface sin within we never knew was there. For anyone to claim they are sinless yet have never been tried and tested as was Job. Is all wet behind the ears. It's sad they reject these biblical truths. We also see God never pronounced Job sinless or Job never bragged his trial rendered him sinless.
---kathr4453 on 2/18/22

Hi, Kathr . . . you talk about what happened with Job and his friends.

The LORD did some judging, I would say, in how the LORD questioned Job. And Job said he repented in sackcloth and ashes. So, I see some judging there, with correction of Job and Job coming to appreciate who Jesus is, so more than who he was claiming himself to be (c:

And I think of how God's correction can work, then > Hebrews 12:4-14. With this character correction we so appreciate God in us and how Jesus in us has us becoming.

This comes with how God evaluates us . . . judges us . . . now, then changes us so we will become how He will want us to be when we are finally judged.
---Bill on 2/18/22

It could also be understood in the way one reads Revelations. We see first the judgements and THEN it becomes the bowls of wrath.

I see the Judgements as a type of purifying and separating the real Christians from the fake. When we go through trials and testing, or as Peter says, the sufferings of Christ in us 1st Peter 4 and what the purpose is and what God wants to accomplish in us...TO BE OVERCOMERS. I see that moment in Jobs life as a kind of judgement taking into account even the judgement of the friends of Job. When you read to the end of Job, you do see God expressing His judgement on all of them.
---kathr4453 on 2/17/22


Custodians of the law must always be held to a higher standard than everyone else - because if you can't trust the people doing the judging, what kind of judgment will you get?

Countless people over time were driven away from God by Christians doing evil (e.g. Inquisitors, Conquistadores, etc.), thinking "if God has such evil people representing him, he must be an evil god I want nothing to do with".

Paul rightly wrote the scathing accusation, "'It is because of YOU God's name is blasphemed among the nations', as it is written". We can't expect other people to serve God unless we do so first.
---StrongAxe on 2/12/22

This says the people of God get judged "first". So, I see this means the ones who are right get judged first.

But I tend to first judge others, instead of first trusting God to evaluate and correct me.
---Bill on 2/12/22

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