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What Is Clamor

"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice. And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you." (Ephesians 4:31-32)

What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please? (c:

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"Clamour" refers to BICKERING and picking on each other (this is something I've witnessesd and experienced many times ...EVEN HERE on this forum).

CRITICIZING, sarcastic comments frivilous comments, changing the subject, ignoring the seriousness of the topic at hand are all "CLAMOR" meant to offend/disrespect and infuriate the other person.

We have to learn to respect each other, we are BROTHERS in Christ,....don't embarass the Lord!!.
---more_excellent_way on 8/5/22


"Clamor" is useless noise In the the verse you quote it is one person talking over others trying to justify that their point is more important than anyone else's and tries talk over them. All you have are people shouting trying to make their and no one understanding anyone. The end reuslt is you have just non-understandable
noise or clamor
---WIVV on 7/20/22


By the way . . . I just offered a blog where we can talk about how our methods in Jesus are superior to the methods used by conquerors. And I think of this > ones in Satan's kingdom of conquering use clamor as one of their tactical methods.

I mean how attacking soldiers might use screaming and yelling. And, of course, ones arguing can do this, instead of how God's word says to relate . . .

"without complaining and disputing" (in Philippians 2:14).
---Bill on 6/24/22


Well, Ephesians 4:31 is talking about clamor which we need to put away. So, here God's word is not talking about what is good.
Plus, Jesus now wins in ways better than military.
---Bill on 6/13/22

No argument. Your question was interesting in highlighting Clamour. An interpreted word.
krauge & #772,
krow-gay'
From G2896, an outcry (in notification, tumult or grief): - clamour, cry (-ing).
Total KJV occurrences: 6
The clamour over just posting scripture that offends is highlighted by todays false doctrines that want to just eat the unrefined sugar but avoid meat is a reveal. Thanks.

If Christ came today would you cry out? Of course happy clamor.
---Trav on 6/24/22


Trav:

Bill asked "What does clamor mean in Ephesians 4:31-32".

English "clamor" translates several Biblical words with different meanings. If asked "What does 'beat' mean in 'The cop was walking his beat'?", "musical tempo" is wrong. Context is VITAL.

OT uses "t'rua" which English translates at "clamor", but that is NOT the word used HERE - which is "krauge" (Strong's G2906) = "an outcry (in notification tumult or grief)", and has NOTHING happy about it.

You ignore facts, and keep on like a broken record about clamor in OTHER contexts - yet YOU say *I* can't connect Bible dots? Look in the mirror first before accusing others.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/22




Well, Ephesians 4:31 is talking about clamor which we need to put away. So, here God's word is not talking about what is good.

But joyful clamor about a military victory might also not be good, if they are boasting about how they themselves were able to win, and not boasting in the Lord.

Plus, Jesus now wins in ways better than military.
---Bill on 6/13/22


Trav:

Bill asked what word "clamor" meant - *in Ephesians 4:31-32*. THAT was "krauge" - Strong's G2906 - "an outcry (in notification tumult or grief)".

The other time "clamor" is mentioned is Proverbs 9:13: "A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.". THAT was "hama" - Strong's H1993: "Clamorous, concourse, cry aloud, be disquieted, mourn, be moved, make a noise, rage, roar, be troubled, make in tumult, tumultuous, be in an uproar, to make a loud sound (like English 'hum')"

NEITHER use Strong's H8643 "t'rua" which you keep quoting repeatedly like a broken record.
---StrongAxe on 6/4/22


Hey Bill,
Thanks, clamor has been revealing in many ways. Highlighting a lefty, who just keep digging his own blind rut deeper.
Heres to happy clamor.
Continuing
Truah, Used 36 times by Israel.
Wow. Some dusted clamorous poser types are answering when I post to you. They want to speak for everyone. But, cant seem to connect Bible dots.
Sheep will get it. Because it is their OT language. Below was copied pasted straight from Strongs.

Truah.
From H7321, clamor, that is, acclamation of joy or a battle cry, especially clangor of trumpets, as an alarum: - alarm, blow (-ing) (of, the) (trumpets), joy, jubile, loud noise, rejoicing, shout (-ing), (high, joyful) sound (-ing).
Total KJV occurrences: 36
---Trav on 6/3/22


Trav:

The Bible uses clamor exactly twice:

Proverbs 9:13: A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.
=Strong's H1993: Clamorous, concourse, cry aloud, be disquieted, mourn, be moved, make a noise, rage, roar, be troubled, make in tumult, tumultuous, be in an uproar, to make a loud sound (like English 'hum')

Ephesians 4:31: Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice
=Strongs G2906: an outcry (in notification tumult or grief)

Neither say anything joyful.

To prove the meaning of a word *from the original scriptures*, you should use *the words the original themselves actually used*, not a similar but different word.
---StrongAxe on 5/30/22


Trav:

It would have helped if you had said in the first place that you were referring to H8643 and not H7321.

But this doesn't change the fact that if the word "clamor" actually means things like "acclamations of joy", and Ephesians specifically tells us to put away clamor with malice - doesn't this mean we also need to put away "acclamations of joy"? How would you explain this?
---StrongAxe on 5/29/22




Hey Bill,
Continuing to look at your word study.
Truah, found 36 times by Israel.. Below was copied pasted straight from Strongs.
Truah.
From H7321, clamor, that is, acclamation of joy or a battle cry,***
Now unlike other posers clamor this was Israels. Found a further 45 times.
roo-ah'
A primitive root, to mar (especially by breaking), figuratively to split the ears (with sound), that is, shout (for alarm or joy): - blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound an alarm, triumph.
Total KJV occurrences: 45
---Trav on 5/28/22


Trav:

Instead of actually addressing the issues I keep posting that prove that your theories are wrong, you just re-posted EXACTLY the same thing you did the previous time. You even re-used "Truah" which isn't even a word. Mindlessly repeating the same thing over and over again is what true clamor is. It's a pity that you can't see it.
---StrongAxe on 5/26/22


What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please?
---Bill on 4/4/22

Hey Bill,
Continuing to look at your word study.
Truah, Used 36 times by Israel.
Wow. Some dusted clamorous poser types are answering when I post to you. They want to speak for everyone. But, cant seem to connect Bible dots.
Sheep will get it. Because it is their OT language. Below was copied pasted straight from Strongs.

Truah.
From H7321, clamor, that is, acclamation of joy or a battle cry, especially clangor of trumpets, as an alarum: - alarm, blow (-ing) (of, the) (trumpets), joy, jubile, loud noise, rejoicing, shout (-ing), (high, joyful) sound (-ing).
Total KJV occurrences: 36
---Trav on 5/26/22


Trav:

Yet again, no. In an earlier message, I quoted the *exactly two* times in scripture that the word "clamor" occurs.

You talk about things like "acclamations of joy" or "battle cry" are clamor. Remember that the original verse quoted, Ephesians 4:31 says Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.

If what you are claiming is true, we would be REQUIRED BY SCRIPTURE to put away acclamations of joy, etc. Do you really believe that?

I also looked up H7321. It doesn't even use the word clamor - YOU DISHONESTLY ADDED THAT just to prove your point.
---StrongAxe on 5/25/22


What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please?
---Bill on 4/4/22

Hey Bill,
Continuing your word study. Used 36 times by Israel.
Wow. Some clamorous types are to clamorous to ever get it. Sheep will.
Truah.
From H7321, clamor, that is, acclamation of joy or a battle cry, especially clangor of trumpets, as an alarum: - alarm, blow (-ing) (of, the) (trumpets), joy, jubile, loud noise, rejoicing, shout (-ing), (high, joyful) sound (-ing).
Total KJV occurrences: 36
I found them.
Ezr 3:11And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD, because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. ****
---Trav on 5/24/22


Trav:

Bill's question was about CLAMOR, yet you TOTALLY ignore the dictionary definition of clamor, and the biblical verses that actually use the word "clamor" (both of which I explained in my last message).

Yes, you quoted verses about "making a joyful noise" and the like, but that isn't clamor. There is no such thing as a "happy clamor". That doesn't appear in the dictionary definition. It doesn't appear in any of the biblical uses of the word "clamor".

But sure, go ahead and make things up, but you can't claim that scripture backs you up, because it doesn't.


kathr4453:

I didn't say it made him look educated. I said it made him think he looks educated.
---StrongAxe on 5/24/22


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What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please?
---Bill on 4/4/22

Hey Bill,
Great word study. Below is a verse that is happy clamor. Used 36 times by Israel.
Great that there are scriptures outing out crying wolfies in Sheep clothing. Clamour is found six times in scripture. Always in relation to cry, crying, cry out.
Todays clamor has extended meanings.

Ezr 3:11 And they sang together by course in praising and giving thanks unto the LORD, because he is good, for his mercy endureth for ever toward Israel. And all the people shouted with a great shout, when they praised the LORD, because the foundation of the house of the LORD was laid.
---Trav on 5/24/22


I don't think it makes Trav look educated. I think it makes him look like he's either drunk or on something. That's what continually posting nonsense looks like.

Trying to make sarcastic jokes, AKA "jetting" Ephesians 5:3-4 out of every post is SIN. Scripture clearly states JESTING is sin. But sin is not an issue with Trav.

So if Trav claims to having the Holy Spirit NC in him, his words and behavior prove the opposite. You will know them by their fruit.
---kathr4453 on 5/24/22


Trav:

You wrote: Happy Clamor is better than resentment clamor as scripture shows.

What scripture, exactly? Scripture makes absolutely NO separation of any kind of "happy clamor". It just condemns clamor period. Once again, you're totally making up unscriptural things, thinking that they make you sound educated.
---StrongAxe on 5/23/22


Whoa I heard some babbling Clamor over some of Israels scripture again.
Happy Clamor is better than resentment clamor as scripture shows.

Deu 33:29 Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, who is the sword of thy excellency! thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee, thou shalt tread upon their high places.

False Apostles/ ministers are never Happy.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 no marvel, for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15
---Trav on 5/23/22


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I think Trav thinks it makes him look more important if he feels persecuted in some way.

But I don't see persecution, I see paranoid episodes. And seeing it's in EVERY POST of Trav, it's a severe case. I think he should seek some mental health experts. This change is most evident of Trav since Covid. He's had a real change in personality.

We need to pray for Trav or anyone who's obsessed with a subject displaying repetitive displays of paranoia. Not being able to have a normal conversation here is a BIG RED FLAG. ANGRY HOSTILE ....is what we are seeing with these mass murderers.
---kathr4453 on 5/23/22


Trav:

Wrong again. Clamor in the dictionary:

a loud uproar, as from a crowd of people: the clamor of the crowd at the gates.

a vehement expression of desire or dissatisfaction: the clamor of the proponents of the law.

popular outcry: The senators could not ignore the clamor against higher taxation.


The Bible mentions it twice:

Proverbs 9:13 A foolish woman is clamorous: she is simple, and knoweth nothing.
Ephesians 4:31: Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice

Neither has anything to do with "resentment towards scripture".

Yet another example of you pushing a favorite theory of yours with no backing.
---StrongAxe on 5/22/22


GOD's words are for all those who love GOD and love others.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/22

We agree GOD is the GOD OF all. Every thing.
Any can call and honor. Honor by not adding or taking away.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
---Trav on 5/22/22


GOD's words are for all those who love GOD and love others. Who follow Jesus. His words are also to sinner so they may turn and repent. Romans 6 and John 3.
---Samuelbb7 on 5/21/22


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Again: Clamor is the resentment heard to posted scripture. Scripture to Israel about Israel, that prophets of Israel, authorized by GOD spoke through.

What incredible is the resentment just keeps coming even when highlighted. Same resentment killed Christ.
One non U.S. socialist cannot bear free speech. Im tutoring this alien with scripture.
Deu 32:9 For the LORD'S portion is his people, Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
Deu 33:29 Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, and who is the sword of thy excellency! and thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee, and thou shalt tread upon their high places.
2Sa 7:24. (for ever)
---Trav on 5/21/22


Trav:

You wrote: Clamor is the resentment heard on posted scripture. Scripture to Israel about Israel, that prophets of Israel, authorized by GOD spoke through.

Wrong. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with either the dictionary or the common sense definitions of "clamor". This is just you changing the subject yet again to your own person pet message - i.e. that God's words are for Israel only. What YOU are doing - i.e. constantly parroting the same thing over and over again - DOES fit the dictionary and common sense definitions of "clamor" though.
---StrongAxe on 5/21/22


What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please?
---Bill on 4/4/22

Clamor is the resentment heard on posted scripture. Scripture to Israel about Israel, that prophets of Israel, authorized by GOD spoke through.
A mark and sign seen today.
Replacements cannot bear it.
Sheep can.
Isa 45:17 But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right.
---Trav on 5/20/22


Trav:

Clamor is constantly blathering the same thing over and over again, while totally ignoring what anyone else has to say.

Conversations involve multiple people speaking, listening to what other people say, and then adding comments about what is said. This enriches everyone.

However, constantly repeating the same things over and over again while ignoring what others say is not dialogue - it is monologue. And when it clutters up space that other people are using to actually hold conversations, it's clamor.
---StrongAxe on 5/18/22


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What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please?
---Bill on 4/4/22

Clamor is that howling noise wolves make when sheep are without a shepherd. Looking only to themselves and their causes. Eating the sick and weak. Clamor wolves run in a pack to eat, wear sheep clothing, easily identified. Propaganda Attack Sheep. No facts no scripture just dim opinions.

Deu 28:10. all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD, they shall be afraid of thee.
Deu 33:29 Happy art thou, O Israel: who is like unto thee, O people saved by the LORD, the shield of thy help, who is the sword of thy excellency! thine enemies shall be found liars unto thee, thou shalt tread upon their high places.
---Trav on 5/17/22


To the Sheep Christ came for.
For ever means what we expect it to, FOR EVER.

Luk 1:54He hath holpen his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,

Luk 1:55 As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Luk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
Luk 1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant,

Luk 1:73The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
(Luke a greek citizen reveals that his father was Abraham also)

Luk 1:77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
---Trav on 5/18/22


Trav:

That's really rich. You accuse ME of carving up God's given scripture, and then you proceed to do exactly the same thing.

Heb 9:15 actually says: And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

You omitted the underlined part, which totally changes the meaning of the sentence.

Why do you keep going back to the same verses over and over again, yet you never ONCE explained why you keep ignoring the ones that I have posted that Jesus sent his disciples to preach the gospel TO ALL NATIONS?
---StrongAxe on 5/16/22


Amazingly some wolves / hirelings carve up GOD given scripture. What they must ignore I post.
Sheep food.

Heb 9:15****that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Israel were under the first Covenant, And the second.

Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
---Trav on 5/16/22


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Trav:

Yes:

Heb 9:15 *they which are called*

Heb 9:28 *unto them that look for him*

These talk about "called" and "who look to him" whoever they are - NOT tribes or nations.

Romans 2:27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.

28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.

29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code...

The covenant is with SPIRITUAL Israel - whosoever believes - not PHYSICAL Israel.
---StrongAxe on 5/16/22


Sheep Scripture for the scattered sheep among the many nations.

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Heb 9:15 for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for redemption of transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many, and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Many.
Hmmmm.
(hum to sum)
Amo 9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations,
---Trav on 5/15/22


Trav:

Jesus said he was the Shepherd. He told his disciples to preach the gospel to ALL NATIONS. Why don't you hear THAT scripture? They preached to the Jew first, AND ALSO TO THE GREEK. Why don't you hear THOSE scriptures? Your hearing is very selective - hearing only what you want to hear.

I have NO PROBLEM with scriptures you quote, but they only preach half the message, and you adamantly refuse to listen to the other half.

The parts of Acts you quoted were specifically preached to Jews in Jerusalem, and converts to *JUDAISM* in synagogues elsewhere, so of course, they would be talking about Israel. But there is also much of the gospel that is NOT - i.e. that part preached to the New Testament church.
---StrongAxe on 5/12/22


Sheep hear their shepherd through scripture. No preacher / teacher speaks of these sheep or verses. Hirelings or wolfies.


Psa 95:7 For he is our God, we are the people of his pasture, the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
Psa 100:3 Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves, we are his people, and the sheep of his pasture.
Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
---Trav on 5/11/22


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And immediately making my point.
Wolfies always show signs of indigestion on food for Sheep.

Act 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Act 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me, him shall ye hear.
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 13:23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
---Trav on 5/11/22


Trav:

Why do you keep posting scriptures that point out that God will have a blessing for Israel? WE ALREADY KNOW THIS. NOBODY is disagreeing with it. Yet you keep posting them on and on, like a broken record.

But none of these prove that God will ONLY deal with Israel, and NEVER with anybody else. We have shown many scriptures that shows that God has extended his new covenant to ALL NATIONS, and sometimes even in the O.T. prophets.

If you call us wolves BECAUSE WE POST SCRIPTURES THAT DISAGREE WITH YOU, it's not US you are disagreeing with, but GOD. You really need to re-examine which side of prophecy you're on, becuase you only see half the picture, and refuse to even consider the other half - just as the Pharisees did.
---StrongAxe on 5/4/22


Wolfies always show signs of indigestion on food for Sheep.
Zec 8:13 it shall come to pass, that as ye were a curse among the gentile, O house of Judah, and house of Israel, so will I save you, ye shall be a blessing: fear not, but let your hands be strong.

Amo 9:9 For, lo, I will command, I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

Hos 2:16 it shall be at that day, saith the LORD, that thou shalt call me Ishi, and shalt call me no more Baali.

Hos 2:19 I will betroth thee unto me for ever, yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, in judgment, in lovingkindness, and in mercies.

Heb 8:8 -10
Jer 31:31-33
---Trav on 5/4/22


Yes, Trav and let's not forget Acts 28...the whole chapter, where the Jews rejected the Gospel Paul preached and then Paul went to the Greek AKA Gentiles stating they would hear and believe.

Trav underestimates folks who can read....not just one verse he thinks he can twist so the uneducated might believe Trav, but that Christians, unlike Trav read whole chapters and whole books of the Bible and know when those who pluck out a verse here and there out of context are not real teachers but HIRLINGS much like Balaam. They are clueless...however even Balaam knew better. Shame on you Trav. Balaam knew better than to curse anyone. Trav however is worse than Balaam.
---kathr4453 on 5/2/22


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Clamor clamor clamor....

Poor Trav has been affected by being a Covid shut-in and is angry .

Unfortunately his return back on CN after years of absence shows how some have been having mental issues.

Let's all pray for Trav . Slander is sin he cannot see or grasp. Is it evil or mental illness? Either way, let's pray for Trav.

JESUS LOVES YOU TRAV.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/22


Trav:

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 2:10-11
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: For there is no respect of persons with God.

:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter, whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Your Israel-only "gospel" contradicts Paul.

Galatians 1:8
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
---StrongAxe on 5/1/22


Looks like sheep? Bleats like a sheep? Butts like a goat? Snarls like a wolfie. Posts like a false priestess teacher, no scripture just opinion.
Hmmm standing out pretty clear.
Lev 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.
Deu 4:30 When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice,
Deu 4:31 (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God,) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.
---Trav on 5/1/22


What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please?
---Bill on 4/4/22

Clamorous: Ive just seen the written version.
Jer 23:1Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jer 23:2Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people, Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:3I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds, and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jer 23:4I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: they shall fear no more,
---Trav on 4/30/22


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Yes Jesus is warning Israel that there were many FALSE PROPHETS IN ISRAEL. No Israelite would be listening to a HEATHAN prophet. How silly is that.

But what exactly was Jesus warning Jews about other Jews? Phariseeism perhaps? Being told that just being a Jew/ Israelite was enough? Well, that is a false prophet and what Jesus warned about. The Pharisees were false prophets. They FALSELY said Jesus was not the Christ....the worst thing any self proclaiming false prophet could do..

Trav is a false prophet, saying its not necessary to believe in Jesus.....but only necessary to have Jacobs DNA, putting faith in your geanology ....which we are told NOT TO DO. Just more CLAMOUR FROM TRAV.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/22


Sheep food for Sheep.

Eze 34:30Thus shall they know that I the LORD their God am with them, and that they, even the house of Israel, are my people, saith the Lord GOD.

Mat 7:15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
---Trav on 4/30/22


Trav:

Hebrews was addressed to HEBREWS, so of course it talked about Israel.

Romans was written to ROMANS. Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians were written to GREEKS. Their message was more inclusive.

I quoted EZEKIEL where God says "Egypt my people" and "Assyria my heritage".

I quoted passages from Matthew, Mark, Luke, Romans, and Revelation. Those were apostles and not prophets, but the whole NT was written by apostles and not prophets. If you reject anything not written by prophets, you have to throw out most of the New Testament (which you seem to do, since you keep ignoring large parts of it).
---StrongAxe on 4/29/22


Abel, Abraham, Noah , Enoch, Job etc were not under The first covenant to Israel, seeing they were 430 PLUS YEARS BEFORE God made His first covenant to ISRAEL. Trav is saying they are not saved and given eternal life.

Trav likes to quote Hebrews fails to also read Hebrews 11.....where all these folks LIVED BY FAITH before the first covenant was even put in place. Moses is also listed, but not because he was under the first covenant but because he OBEYED GOD, and left Egypt , God rewarding Moses before the first covenant was put in place. Trav fails to see the Law IS NOT OF FAITH, seeing FAITH was around long before any covenants to Israel....and STILL IN EFFECT TODAY. The Abrahamic Covenant IS THE COVENANT BY FAITH.
---kathr4453 on 4/29/22


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Heb 9:15 for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
---Trav on 4/28/22

Hey Bill just a note: Still No prophets offered by the ditch diggers. Hear them holler occasionally but Ive dusted feet. Sheep out there by the flocks to find. Sheep are not priority if your in a ditch looks like. Man diggers sure get upset with Sheep Hunters.
Mat 15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
Luk 6:39 Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?
---Trav on 4/28/22


Trav:

So, when are you going to stop your constantly clamorous blathering and insulting others, and actually respond to the scriptures that I have posted several times that show that the New Covenant is extended to all nations? Are you afraid that they contradict your own theology?
---StrongAxe on 4/28/22


What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please?
---Bill on 4/4/22

Well Bill only self trained attack Sheep as noticed are clamorous. Unintelligible caterwauling. Syndrome as old as scriptures. Every prophet can trigger it even to this day, by more modern and knowledgeable ones than they were of course.
Heb 9:15 for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17.
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many,****
---Trav on 4/28/22


(Ephesians 4:31-32)

What do you understand "clamor" to mean, ---Bill on 4/4/22

Clamor has no scripture that gives peace. Peace that comes when all scripture aligns. Beginning to end.
Clamor cannot hear or speak of the prophets of GOD. They can not align.
Simiilarities.
Luk 11:53And as he said these things unto them, the scribes and the Pharisees began to urge him vehemently, and to provoke him to speak of many things:


Luk 11:54Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him

Luk 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered..
---Trav on 4/28/22


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You answered Bill's question, but you just COULDN'T resist throwing shade at kathr and me in the process, could you?/////


Yep and that's the definition of CLAMOR. CLAMORING HERE FOR ATTENTION.

I'm so sorry Trav is so bitter and angry all the time. Always throwing shade in every post. James says it's impossible for a REAL CHRISTIAN to talk nice one minute and curse others the next. It's evident of serious mental and emotional issues. Those afflicted like this should not be preachy teachy at all. No ok ne can HEAR YOU when you are always in the way. God is not interested in mixing YOUR MESSAGE WITH HIS.

I suggest Trav seek help with these issues before preachy teachy others here.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/22


Trav:

You answered Bill's question, but you just COULDN'T resist throwing shade at kathr and me in the process, could you?

You accuse others of "thinking they are preachers" - yet in most of your messages, YOU preach an Israel-only message that is different from what the Apostles and most Christians in the past 2000 years have preached. I won't call it a gospel, because "gospel" means "good news" - and telling everyone "There is this great new covenant. Pity it doesn't apply to you because you have the wrong ancestry" is good news to almost nobody.
---StrongAxe on 4/27/22


So Trav, where us YOUR other 2-3 witnesses? I don't see any. So looks like your all alone here.

Thanks for posting that truth So we know you have none, and we can all move along.

Too funny.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/22


Trav:

*Nobody here is objecting to your scriptures*, so why do you keep complaining about that like a broken record?

Others here ALSO post scriptures that Prophets and Apostles wrote, yet you constantly ignore THOSE, because they don't conform to your Israel-only agenda. Why do you only accept part of the Bible, and not all of it?
---StrongAxe on 4/26/22


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Trav, do you think you are a preacher teacher? What's up with that remark?

No one is doing something you are not. So the condescending remark is laughable.

Some people on here think there is only ONE THOUGHT, and busts into every blog preachey teachy on subjects having nothing to do with their preachy teachy autistic rants.

Are you autistic Trav? Do you have some kind if disability we should know about? Terrettes perhaps? Not being able to expand intellectually is very noticeable here. Are you limited in your understanding of ALL SCRIPTURE? Are you hiding your disability by assaulting others? It seems that way.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/22


"Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking .(Ephesians 4:31-32)
What do you understand "clamor" to mean, please? (c:
---Bill on 4/4/22

Hey Bill check out 2906 Strongs. Then - From G2896, an outcry (in notification, tumult or grief): - clamour, cry (-ing).

I see the verse when I post scripture. The two that clamour against posting specific scripture stand out. This dark clamour is as it is supposed to be in these times. One scripture candle of truth shines a vast amount of light on a warehouse of wordy opinions in darkness. 2 or more matching candles of scripture can be seen far away.
2Co 13:1 . In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
---Trav on 4/27/22


Evidently some here think they are preacher teachers and I singled them out. If you are a hireling you know it, we know it. No secrets when one is not aligning with prophets.
I post scriptures to same people that Prophets spoke of and Christ came for. If those see and hear it wonderful.
---Trav on 4/26/22


Why do some here have to take over every blog question ? This is why people stopped posting here.

This particular blog has nothing to do with Trav false doctrine. Trav doesn't discuss, nor is he interested in discussing, but to rather tale over CN.


Trav rude intrusion here is CLAMOR.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/22


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Trav:

Who is getting "upset"? Who is "standing against the prophets"? Who is "arguing with scripture"? I'm not. I repeatedly said I AGREE God made a convenant with Israel, yet you ignore that comment too. But God NEVER said "I will NEVER make a covenant with anyone else". That he called Egypt "my people" and Assyria "the work of my hands" proves that.

I literally quoted the Apostles *entrusted by Jesus to proclaim the Good News*, written in the NT, so *also authorized by God*, and you call me a false teacher. By doing so, you are calling THEM false teachers. Who should we believe? Them, or you?

Your view of God is narrower than the God of the WHOLE Bible.
---StrongAxe on 4/25/22


Standing with the prophets means standing with Christ who fulfilled all prophets.
When we see self proclaimed opinionated debater, false preacher teacher types getting upset and arguing definitive scriptures. Scripture authorized by GOD through prophets, it should / will be a mark and sign for the Sheep / Servant type that Christ came for and sent his Apostles out too.
Avoid these wolfies. Dust feet.
When these false types cannot see or hear, promote stand with the evil leaders of today, then seek the only teacher Christ. Honor the only father GOD over us all.

Luk 16:31 If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither.

Luk 24:25 O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
---Trav on 4/25/22


Exactly!

Psalm 34:13
Keep thy tongue from evil, and thy lips from speaking guile.

Psalm 140:11
Let not an evil speaker be established in the earth: ...

Acts 23:5
Then said Paul, I wist not, brethren, that he was the high priest: for it is written, Thou shalt not speak evil of the ruler of thy people.

Ephesians 4:31
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

Titus 3:2
To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.

1 Peter 2:1
Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings
---StrongAxe on 4/24/22


You know, the words "Let's go Brandon" is something that should never be said out of any Christian mouth. It's actually evil what it means.

You will know them by their fruits.
---kathr4453 on 4/24/22


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Thank you, Strong Ax . . . a good and practical sharing.

I think of how you bring out that clamor can have a strategic purpose, of drowning out what someone has to say.
---Bill on 4/5/22

Applause for your wisdom, and heart, for much said with few words.

Rom 2:15Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another,)

Heb 8:10For this is the covenant that I will make***
Heb 10:16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them,
---Trav on 4/10/22


Thank you, Strong Ax . . . a good and practical sharing.

I think of how you bring out that clamor can have a strategic purpose, of drowning out what someone has to say.

And with this I think of how there can be a racket inside of us, intended to keep us from being attentive to God and resting with Him in His peace.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)
---Bill on 4/5/22


Dictionary says:

a loud and confused noise, especially that of people shouting vehemently.
Similar: din, racket, loud noise, uproar, tumult, babel, shouting, yelling, screaming, baying, roaring, blaring, clangor, commotion, brouhaha, hue and cry, hubbub, bedlam, pandemonium, stramash, hullabaloo, rumpus, row, vociferation, ululation, shivaree
Opposite: silence

a strongly expressed protest or demand from a large number of people.
Similar: demand(s), call(s), urging, insistence, protests, storms of protest, complaints, outcry

E.g. when someone is trying to speak, but a lot of other people keep shouting to try to drown them out. Would you want other people to do it to you? No. So you shouldn't do it to them either.
---StrongAxe on 4/4/22


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