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Confessing Our Sins

James 5:16 says,

"Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16)

So . . . mutual confessing with mutual healing prayer gets us "healed" of what?

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God reformed His ways of being punitive/punishing and judicial about LAW and commandments (now we the PERFECT LAW, James 1:25 and 2:12)....He reformed His relationship to humanity by being gracious and giving us a sacrificial LAMB.

Hebrews 9:10 but deal only with food and drink and various ablutions, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.
---more_excellent_way on 8/9/22


The ONLY law that exists today in the JESUS DISPENSATION (ETERNAL GOD, ETERNAL COVENANT, ETERNAL SPIRIT) is the "perfect law"......(there is no text to this law AND IT IS NOT AN OPTION....it is the LAW.

James 1:25 But he who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer that forgets but a doer that acts, he shall be blessed in his doing.

James 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.

I repeat, IT IS LAW...James 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.
---more_excellent_way on 7/24/22


Trav:

You wrote: Sure he does. Look at his answer. below. Were.

You really need to learn more about grammar and syntax, especially about how quotation marks work. Things in quotation marks mean the writer is quoting something someone ELSE said.

E.g. if I wrote Spanish conquistadors said "Let's take over the New World in the name of King and Pope", that doesn't mean that *I* am a conquistador, Spanish, a royalist, or a papist - I would just have been writing about somebody ELSE who was.

As for "closet", if you have any accusations to make, make them, instead of constantly throwing shade and innuendo. "men who are men" (that you seem to like) aren't afraid to speak openly.
---StrongAxe on 7/13/22


Trav:

When you say anything on a public forum, it's said to everyone, so anyone gets to comment on it.

I say what want, when i want, to who i want.

You say that like it's a good thing:

Judges 17:6: In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Judges 21:25: In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

Proverbs 12:15: The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

Proverbs 21:2: Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts.
---StrongAxe on 7/12/22


Trav:
You quoted Ruben quoting James, and said: You are just getting your turn with a lonely woman that desires to be a man so she can teach someone, anyone anything. Even when forbidden!

Where is this even from?
---StrongAxe on 6/26/22

It was from I dont care or consider if you get it or not. Wasnt written you. I say what want, when i want, to who i want. The other side o that, is I say nothing to those that I find peculiar or special. Youre very special. To you. Not to me.
---Trav on 7/12/22




Trav:

You quoted Ruben quoting James, and said: You are just getting your turn with a lonely woman that desires to be a man so she can teach someone, anyone anything. Even when forbidden!

Where is this even from? Not this blog. Also, Ruben talked about confessing sins. He didn't mention anything about any woman, so I don't get where your rant about a "woman desiring to be a man" is even coming from.

Also, note that 1 Ti 2:12 says "*I* suffer not a woman to teach" - indicating it's Paul's personal preference, not a commandment God gave him.

There were some women in early church leadership. Priscilla and Aquila lead one early church. Sometimes he gets first billing, and sometimes she does.
---StrongAxe on 6/26/22


James 5:14. ...THEREFORE, confess your sins .." Reference to the men in v 14.
---Ruben on 5/10/22

You are just getting your turn with a lonely woman that desires to be a man so she can teach someone, anyone anything. Even when forbidden! The zeal is there but, like fireworks going in every direction fizzling furiously. Just nothing to chew on. Fireworks are not food.
Seem to be a lot of self propelled priestess's who preach teach etc.
They sure fulfill scripture in these times.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
---Trav on 6/24/22


Bill, I see that verse differently. I see Jews who knew their scriptures state only God can forgive sin. And I believe myself only God THROUGH JESUS CHRIST can forgive sin. This is why Jesus died for our sin. No human can die for my sin in forgiving my sin. This is also why the pharisees were all riled up, seeing they THOUGHT a Meer man was forgiving sin, something only God can do. This is also why they crucified Jesus, believing Jesus WAS blaspheming God doing something only God can do, not realizing JESUS WAS GOD ON THE FLESH.

Now yes we are to forgive one another. But my forgiving someone does not override God.

I believe for our own sakes we are to forgive one another.
---kathr4453 on 5/19/22


Hi, Kathr . . . you said >

"Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?"

One item about this > this is what the people said. It is a quote of what unbelievers said!

So, I would be careful about assuming that what they said is correct.

Even so . . . God is the One who forgives. But I now understand how He includes us in His process of forgiving.


Because Jesus Christ's forgiveness is not only a legal action of clearing us of charges. There is also how He through us assures us and comforts us, plus has us joining in following His example of how to forgive.

He lives in us > Galatians 2:20 > He shares with us how He is loving and kind in forgiving.
---Bill on 5/18/22


Strongaxe, exactly. An unwanted pregnancy out of wedlock would be sin in God's eyes. The pregnancy doesn't disappear when we ask for forgiveness. We still suffer the consequences for our actions.

If we lie this is sin. We need to confess and ask God for forgiveness. We also need to go to the person we lied to to ask forgiveness. We don't need to then go to a Catholic priest asking again for forgiveness. We don't need to stand up and confess in front of the whole church. I believe James 5:16... TO GO TO ONE ANOTHER, is not group confession. If I go to you and you to me, if there was a problem, that is to one another. That verse shows no group confession or a church setting. Man has read too much into that verse.
---kathr4453 on 5/11/22




So Ruben, are you saying Jesus was only a man?

You never answered my question. Let me ask this way. When you sin, do you go straight to God and ask forgiveness, or do you run to a man and get forgiveness?

Now I've asked friends to forgive me if I've hurt or offended them, BUT I also seek God's forgiveness first. And if my friend won't forgive, I still have God's forgiveness. I may have lost a friend, but I can never lose my relationship with God.

Perhaps the RCC doesn't understand what having a personal relationship with the Lord is about????
---kathr4453 on 5/11/22


-kathr4453 *Ruben, as I've said before, picking a verse here and there out of context br>

Why's is our interpretation correct ? Please explain?


-kathr4453 * Men cannot forgive sin. Only God can.

But yet, we read where people were going to John the baptizer confessing their sins Mk 1-:4-5 We also read in Acts 19:18 confessing sins to the Apostles. And James 5:16 confess our sins to one another! But I guess 'out of context.

-kath4453 * Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only.

Jesus then goes on and says ' Son of Man' not God. Gospel of Matt tells us " God has given the authority to forgive sins to men. Which MEN read John 20:20-23!
---Ruben on 5/11/22


kathr4453:

When you break a law (civil, religious, or otherwise) and injure another person, you owe a debt to BOTH law AND that person. E.g. in murder, there's injury to the victim, AND their family, AND crime against the state, AND sin against God. Each is punished, and/or forgiven, separately.

The victim's family may forgive you, but you still go to jail, and eventually hell.

You may repent, and God may forgive you, but you still go to jail, and the victim's family may sue you for wrongful death.

Some people think one simple "I'm sorry", and God will magically forgive you of your sin, and also wipe away all the temporal consequences of that sin as well. This is self-delusion. The Bible never teaches this.
---StrongAxe on 5/10/22


Ruben, question..Let's say someone horribly murdered the child next door. And let's say the man asked God for forgiveness,and received it, but the neighbor refused yo forgive. Is the man's sin forgiven or not?

Jesus does say we are to forgive one another. And I believe this is what Paul is referencing on 2 Corinthians 2:10. I do not believe Paul is teaching Church Doctrine on forgiveness of sin. I believe he's teaching personal forgiveness of another and Paul says if they are forgiving this issue, then he is too, so all are in unity.

When we just use one verse wonders , we can create any church doctrine we want. I dont do that or believe that way.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/22


Mark 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?


So this has ALWAYS been the truth and understanding. This is why the Jews hated Jesus and refused to believe He is God in the flesh. Why they crucified Him. Because HE was claiming to be God.
---kath4453 on 5/10/22


Ruben, as I've said before, picking a verse here and there out of context and not applying THE WHOLE WORD OF GOD, is dangerous. Men cannot forgive sin. Only God can, and it's based solely on the sacrifice of His Son. Without personal faith in Jesus death and resurrection for the forgiveness of sin, there is no forgiveness of sin man can do to go around that.

I believe those verses mean we, spirit filled Christians who are forgiven have authority to preach the Gospel to the lost so that they too can find forgiveness from God through Jesus Christ. THIS IS THE MINISTRY OF RECONCILISTION.

Ruben, for your own sake, I pray you have found forgiveness from God, not man.
---kathr4453 on 5/10/22


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More to come:

We read in Matt 18-18 The apostles are given the authority to bind and loose.

2 Cor 2:10 Here we have Paul forgives in the presence of Christ // some bible translation has ' in persona Christi//

And even in the verse discussing here James 5:16 reads,

James 5:14 " Is anyone among you sick? He should send for the presbyters (Priests)of the Church so that they may pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. ...THEREFORE, confess your sins .." Reference to the men in v 14.
---Ruben on 5/10/22


kathr4453 on 5/4/2

Amen! How did Jesus establish how he wants our sins to forgiven here on earth? Scripture is clear on how:

Matt 9:8" 8 When the crowd saw this, they were filled with awe, and they praised God, who had given such authority to MEN."

JHn 20: 20-23 As the Father has sent me, I am sending you*. And with that he breathed on them and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyones sins, their sins are forgiven, if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.

All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION:... We are therefore Christs ambassadors." 2 Cor 5:18-20

More to come!
---Ruben on 5/9/22


Bill, absolutely. And knowing we are the Body of Christ, we all are working together for good within the body of Christ. All our gifts are to also minister to one another. This is the only way it makes sense to me.

Great question. I think the healing then is a healing within the whole body of Christ,and a healing of the whole body of Christ, those IN CHRIST. There's another verse that says if one suffer we ALL suffer.

---kathr4453 on 5/5/22


Yes Kathr . . . if I understand you right, whatever James 5:16 means to do, this needs to go along with all else which God's word says, including James chapter one.

I believe James 5:16 shows that our Father includes us in His process of healing us of character problems. We are healed more and more together with Him and with one another . . . ministering this healing grace to one another > 1 Peter 4:9-10.
---Bill on 5/4/22


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Ruben, yes, Jesus died and shed HIS BLOOD for the sin of the whole world. He takes away the first to establishbthe second. The priesthood under the OT has been done away Ruben. Also their sacrifice of the blood of bulls and goats is obsolete. Read Hebrews 10 ..the entire chapter. Those who have rejected the FINAL SACRIFICE which is Jesus Himself, are in line for God's vengeance.

We confess our sin to God through Jesus Christ. We can now come BOLDLY TO GOD ...Jesus opened the way...the veil has been taken away. We can now come to the Father THROUGH HIS SON.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/22


-kathr4453 * Also Ruben, the priesthood in the OT is now obsolete.

"My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations, says the Lord Almighty."

Now we know it could not be during his life time new sacrifices or among jews , for they would not be able to offer to the whole world! This prophecy can only be fulfilled the nations of the earth gather together is the NT Church.

More to come!
---Ruben on 5/3/22


Bill, if this is something that has worked for you, PRAISE God. I know Paul said he would not preach anything except it was wrought in him first. So, I think I would love to hear personal testimony on this one.

I know there are churches who believe in tithing and use OT scripture of tithing and blessings. And before the offering have people give their personal testimony how God blessed them with all this and that because they simply tithed. Yet not all who tithe have windows of heaven open for the lotto to fall out of. Why? What may be interesting is maybe God would have blessed them anyway having nothing to do with tithing.

I believe we can all come BOLDLY WITH CONFIDENCE to the Throne of GRACE to find help in time of need.
---kathr4453 on 5/3/22


Bill. I totally agree that our human faults and shortcomings do lean in to our sin nature AKA our flesh. But I personally believe if we walk in the spirit we won't give way to the flesh. I also believe for Christians the Holy Spirit convicts of sin. And I believe CHRIST IN YOU is Changing us from GLORY to Glory, if we obey Roman's 8:11-13 and GAL 5:22-25.

With that. We must first be walking in James 1, where the testing of our faith brings these shortcomings to light as Peter also testifies to, tried by fire that we are brought forth as GOLD has to be taking place first before we lean in to verses skipping over this part. If our obedience to the Cross Romans 6, is skipped over, James 5:16 won't work.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/22


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So . . . would it not be good that God has provided a way to be "healed" of character problems so we are together with God in His love, instead?
---Bill on 5/1/22

Luk 9:2 And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick..
Luk 9:4 And whatsoever house ye enter into, there abide, and thence depart.
Luk 9:5 And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet for a testimony against them.
Act 28:27For the heart of this people is waxed gross, their ears are dull of hearing, their eyes have they closed, lest they should see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
---Trav on 5/2/22


Trav, your ignorance is showing. No one here is seducing anyone to worship false gods and idols except maybe the RCC.

No one here is seducing anyone to fornicate with false teachers and eat meat sacrificed to idols but YOU TRAV, by siding with the RCC.

and your doctrine is opposed to RCC doctrine also. Did you think they think they are Jews/Israel? They don't silly.

Beware of IGNORANCE FOLKS.

Trav, your condescending shade really shows you're a false teacher having no clue what scripture is about.

You have no idea what Jezebel was about. Forcing Israel to worship BAAL...you accuse me of? You're laughable. No one here takes you seriously.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/22


Hi, Kathr . . . you said >

"I've always found it interesting that verse says 'faults' not 'sin'."

A sin can be an action, but a fault can be a condition of our character. And a fault in character can make us able to give in to sinning, and able to suffer various horrid things of unforgiveness, stress, nasty anger, arguing, and complaining.

So . . . would it not be good that God has provided a way to be "healed" of character problems so we are together with God in His love, instead?
---Bill on 5/1/22


Thanks! Someone just made my point in this post very succinctly.

Seem to be a lot of priestesss who preach teach etc. They sure fulfill scripture in these times.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Here is an interesting scripture below.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
---Trav on 4/28/22
---Trav on 4/30/22


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Jezebel, as many understand Rev Prophecy, is about seducing Israel to worship Baal as we now see TRAV HERE DOING. Baal worship of their gods etc is what many equate to Catholicism, the worship of saints, Mary, ICONS, and the like.

The Priesthood sacrificed for sin daily, however no booths were set up, to confess sins to the Priests. On the Day of Atonement, AGAIN, we see no instructions for individuals to individually confess their sins to a priest. We never see Moses going to a priest to confess his sins. I think we see Moses actually praying to God interceding for Israel, when God wanted to destroy them.

Yes confession of sin is necessary, but no where was anyone instructed to confess to a priest OR John the Baptist.
---kathr4453 on 4/30/22


So now Trav is promoting Catholicism? Interesting.

No one here is trying to trick anyone to sin. This ignorance that all women who have a belief are Jezebels shows Trav is only here to cause CLAMOUR, showing so much ignorance as well having no clue what Jezebel was all about in the first place, PROVING TRAV IS IGNORANT OF ANY JEWISH HISTORY OR UNDERSTANDING.

Thanks Trav for proving once again you are not grounded and are considered a false teacher and false prophet, which scripture always shows TO BE MEN. HA!
---kathr4453 on 4/30/22


Leviticus 4:35 . . . and the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven.
More to come:
---Ruben on 4/26/22

Seem to be a lot of priestesss who preach teach etc. They sure fulfill scripture in these times.
1Ti 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Here is an interesting scripture below.
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
---Trav on 4/28/22


Also Ruben, the priesthood in the OT is now obsolete. The ONLY HIGH PRIEST today is Jesus Christ. This is what Hebrews teach. And there really isn't any proof anyone went to an OT Priest to confess their sins.

Seeing they also lived by faith as we see from Abel to Noah to Abraham, I see no priesthood one went to to confess sin. Not even Job records this practice.
---kathr4453 on 4/27/22


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Ruben, I believe you are seeing something in those verses that's just not there.

Just like James 5:16. To confess to ONE ANOTHER, does not mean group confession.

Example: if you and I had an issue that disrupted ourfellowship, we are told to go to ONE ANOTHER, 'me to you, you to me' and confess the trespass..trespass meaning sin against another. No one else needs to be involved. When Jesus taught this as well, He made no mention of having to get a Priest to intercede.
---kathr4453 on 4/26/22


I also think it's important to have other scripture back-up in order to establish a teaching. Nowhere in all the NT is public confession of sin taught. Nowhere is confessing to a priest taught either.

---kathr4453 on 4/17/2

Leviticus 4:35 . . . and the priest shall make atonement for him for the sin which he has committed, and he shall be forgiven. Also read Lev 5:5-6 and numbers 14:19-20.

Mark 1:4-5 John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.

Acts 19:18 Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices.

More to come:
---Ruben on 4/26/22


d, good point. That makes sense, faults, trespasses etc are things we do against others. So the verse does make more sense to me. When we have offended others we do need to personally resolve those. That is also Biblical, to go to that person. I think those things should stay between those personally offended.

I just know many are not grounded spiritually, and gossip springing from another person's personal business could be very damaging.

I have many female Christian friends, but there are a few I would not tell my private business because they are gossips.
---kathr4453 on 4/22/22


Bill, the problem I also have with your take on this verse is saying my healing depends on another's obedience. I just can't find any supporting scripture to back that up. I also can't find any supporting scripture for this formula.

I believe sll truths came in 2-3 like minded examples. I don't see God commanding anything. What I see is James addressing a certain group of Christians who seemed to be having relationship issues with one another. I just don't see this as a commandment from God. If that were the case, Paul, Peter and John would have supporting scripture.

You have not offered personal results after obeying this? Can you give us some?
---kathr4453 on 4/19/22


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in my seeings, sin is different from trespass or fault. The difference is that they show different relationships. Sin is the relationship to God that we disobey Him, whereas trespass or fault the relationship to the world.
I think we should confess sins to God. that means to me is that I give HIM the weapon in my heart using to kill HIM and admit to Him that He could kill my self. But He is forgiving God. ----1st part
---d on 4/20/22


I know Strongaxe. It's sad. I've always found it interesting that verse says "faults" not "sin". I haven't seen another verse that uses the word faults in place of sin.

I still believe that verse is addressing that particular group James was admonishing for bickering, worldliness, stingy on paying fair wages etc.

I also believe many use that verse many use as the WOF use it, that one by faith can speak things into being etc.

I'd love to hear others actually report results using this formula.

Yet we see others healed who have not followed this formula. The Apostles miracles did not require this formula. Job suffered. But not because of unconfessed sin.
---kathr4453 on 4/19/22


It doesn't say for some one person to do all the confessing, but "to one another". So, I see this would be for what we all need.

And a leader could take the lead in doing what this really means . . therefore what really works >

"nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock " (1 Peter 5:3)
---Bill on 4/19/22


kathr4453:

That's horrible, yet there are so many Christian groups that practice this. They keep performing such unbiblical group prayers, as some kind of magical ritual that's guaranteed to produce results - yet even when it DOESN'T produce results, they ignore the evidence of their own eyes and keep on doing it.

Too many Christians read the Bible and take what it says literally, word for word, without using discernment to understand that in many cases it's offering useful advice, not prescribing rigid magic rituals. God is not a vending machine or a genie: insert prayers = always get what we ask for.
---StrongAxe on 4/18/22


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Several years ago a lady at my church was diagnosed with MS, or something like that. This church also believed in the James 5:16 of healing after confession. So week after week after week a weekly ritual with this woman took place at her house as she was confined to a wheelchair and in much pain instructed to confess her sins till the cows came home. These were Christians and believed strongly here. However the woman got worse, and eventually died. This same practice was laid upon another elderly person with Alzheimer's, and to no avail she too passed without healing.

My nephew died of Cancer gotten from a now closed military base. Believe me, more prayer than you know was prayed, but my nephew passed at 18.
---kathr4453 on 4/18/22


I also think it's important to have other scripture back-up in order to establish a teaching. Nowhere in all the NT is public confession of sin taught. Nowhere is confessing to a priest taught either.

Scripture teaches from the OT to the New we confess our sin to God through Jesus Christ. Even David stated in the OT on several occasions .." to God alone will I confess my sin." Psalms 32:5

Now confession of Faith is made Public.

We can also ask others to pray for us in different situations we go through.

We can NOW come boldly to the Throne of Grace. Jesus opened the way. We can now come to God personally and intimately through Jesus Christ. Hebrews 4.

Not all sickness is due to unconfessed sin.
---kathr4453 on 4/17/22


Healing of relationships perhaps.

I believe this verse is addressing possible disharmony among believers. I don't believe it means we confess our sins openly to others that have nothing to do with whatever sin one is confessing. I've seen this verse abused in Churches where people openly confess their family's dirty laundry to the whole congregation.

We confess our sin to God through Jesus Christ. We also confess sin to those we have offended personally. But if it doesn't involve them personally, confessing to a stranger has no advantage just like confessing to a Priest has no advantage. If reading ALL of James one gets the impression there was arguing among the people.
---kathr4453 on 4/16/22


Well, this scripture says to have mutual confession with "one another". And each child of God has ability to pray for others to be "healed". God commands this mutual confession with healing prayer. Therefore, we can be sure God is committed to making this work > even while we still have "trespasses" to confess, with God we can pray for one another to be "healed" . . . what God means by this.

So, I see how it is good to know what is the healing which is guaranteed to come with confession "to one another" with prayer for each other.
---Bill on 4/16/22


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