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What Is The Perfect Law

Does anybody care about the PERFECT law?...or do you only care about fulfilling what the religious teachers tell you???

......(this is a supreme test of faith).

The PERFECT law means that the commandments ARE DEAD and gone......and it is a LAW (a mandate law, IT IS NOT an option).

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2John 6-9 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Read Romans 6 and Ephesians 2. Read James.

2Corithians 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

You have to ignore so much of scripture to get your view it is difficult for me to understand why you believe there is no sin. The law shows we are sinners and need to be saved. Romans 3:20

It is the old Covenant that is gone. Not the Ten Commandments.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/10/22


MOST (or many) people dont want to believe that the book of Revelation is about the REFORMATION OF GOD...we have been conditioned/trained to have a morbid fascination with an end time catastrophe ...let he who has wisdom figure out who the son of perdition is (666).

John 17:12 none of them is lost BUT THE SON OF PERDITION.

2 Thessalonians 2:3 the MAN OF LAWLESSNESS is revealed, the son of perdition,

Since the ten commandments are DEAD, DESTROYED, and ABOLISHED, we aren't covered by O.T. law (and are lawless by O.T. standards),...and since we dont follow/comply with the PERFECT LAW, WE (humanity) are lawless ones (except if we draw near as adopted sons of God).

In other words, WE (humanity) are the son of perdition.
---more_excellent_way on 8/9/22


Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.

Act 24:14 ... so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.


---jerry6593 on 8/6/22


more_excellent_way :

You told Bill to uncritically accept what you write, yet scripture says "Test the spirits to see if they are from God", and Paul praised the Bereans for cross-checking all teachings against what they knew from scripture, rather than just accepting it at face value.

You said Jeshurun referred to "Spiritual Israel". I quoted every single scripture where that name is used, how it referred to physical Israel - yet you consider such informative comments to be an attack (but have yet to show any scripture to corroborate your interpretation). Here, you literally disregard what was actually written in scripture.

Yet you accuse US of doing that?
---StrongAxe on 8/4/22


MEW , I'm not under the law, I'm under GRACE. So I have no clue what you are now talking about or why you have even changed the subject. No longer being under the law is not a secret that is just now been revealed TO YOU. YIKES.

Being crucified with Christ, being baptized into His death, and being raised up together with Him A NEW CREATURE has set us free from the Law of sin and death. It's all there in Romans 5-8. It's not hidden. Nothing anymore is hidden. Maybe it has been to you, but these truths are no secret just now revealed to you where you think you have to pass along. Paul did that 2000 years ago.


Theres nothing new you MEW can add to all the Apostles wrote.

My understanding of scripture is fine.
---kathr4453 on 8/4/22




You all seem to feel free to disregard what is actually WRITTEN IN SCRIPTURE.......(what arrogance!!! and disrespect for the LORD).

Rom 7:6 But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we serve not under the old written code but in the new life of the Spirit.

ALL throughout scripture, the Lord has had many opportunities/reasons to address stiffnecked people, so I will too..(YOU!), but since the Lord is righteously justified in using that word, MAYBE what I write will finally sink in to your heads.

Exodus 32:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:.
---more_excellent_way on 8/3/22


....a wise person is not enthusiastic about attacking or continuing an attack.

....it is the confident and wise who are calm and gracious enough to endure unconventional/uncommon information.
---more_excellent_way on 8/1/22


Are these verses the Word of God or the Word of MEW?

Defending the Gospel and defending the truth is absolutely something every WISE PERSON DOES.


And we get our wisdom directly from God the Father. To say you have received truth hidden for 2000 years God has now released to you alone SHOULD BE REBUKES SHARPLY FROM ALL HERE.

James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/22


2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith,

M E W, I'm not Michael the Arc-angel arguing with Satan unless you're satan????? If you want to teach MEW, please use all scripture. Not just verses you like. As Strongaxe pointed out many instances on his previous post, you have exalted yourself beyond measure assaulting everyone here . You are the one attacking the Church, BOC. You don't know any of us and have not shared any kind words to OUR BELIEFS AND FAITH . Yet you want us to now down to yours and kiss your feet. Not gonna happen. HUMBLE YOURSELF .
---kathr4453 on 8/2/22


Strongaxe,

You are right to notice that preacher and His thievery (the modern day moneychangers are simply MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKERS).

The difference in points of view about being a son of God or a servant is due to the decision to settle for a MILK devotion or to move on to a mature SOLID FOOD devotion.



Hebrews 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need some one to teach you again the first principles of God's word. You need milk, not solid food,


Hebrews 5:13 for every one who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a child.

1 Peter 2:2 that by it you may GROW up to salvation,

..we are only supposed COME to the Lord as a child, not REMAIN one.
---more_excellent_way on 8/2/22


more_excellent_way:

You wrote: The Lord never was a fan of dramatized worship. He recognizes the sentiment from the newcomer, but after a while, it is time to get serious with Him.

Excellent point!

We keep hearing new stories about ostentatious worship. Coaches stopping in the middle of the field to pray, while everyone else either watches, or is pressured to join. Jesus said when you pray, go into your room and pray in private.

A preacher who is robbed in the middle of his service, with robbers getting away with a million dollars of jewelry he and his wife are wearing. Who needs a million dollars of jewelry to preach the Gospel, and guess who paid for all that? Jesus said you can't serve both God and Mammon.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/22




The Lord never was a fan of dramatized worship. He recognizes the sentiment from the newcomer, but after a while, it is time to get serious with Him. Even the teaching about Christs crucifixion and forgiveness is only preliminary to maturity so that we can grow in Him,.simply having faith IN or toward GOD is not what the Lord desires (we must have a FAITH FOR faith so that we can FULLY understand the righteousness of God.


Amos 5:21 "I hate, I despise your feasts, and I take no delight in your solemn assemblies.


Hebrews 6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
---more_excellent_way on 8/1/22


more_excellent_way:

Yet your own recent replies are a kind of rebuke, e.g. implying others are not wise. Calling others "fame-seekers" is a rebuke. "NO WISDOM...shame on you" is a rebuke. "I expect you to be a naysayer and scoffer. You have been well indoctrinated by the moneychanger empire, you are a soldier of the status quo (and a scared little man)." is a rebuke.

As far as I know, I probably am the only person in the world to know the truths that I write (LIVE WITH IT).

The idea that "I, and I alone in the whole world possess the truth" is a major red flag, as it is the cornerstone of every single cult. "LIVE WITH IT" is a smug and arrogant retort.
---StrongAxe on 8/2/22


kathryn,

Your willingness to REBUKE is a little out of place for a Godly person.

Even the angel didn't do it....

.....or am I wrong about that too?

Jude 1:9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, The Lord rebuke you!


....a wise person is not enthusiastic about attacking or continuing an attack.

....it is the confident and wise who are calm and gracious enough to endure unconventional/uncommon information.
---more_excellent_way on 8/1/22


As far as I know, I probably am the only person in the world to know the truths that I write (LIVE WITH IT).///

That has to be the strangest statement to date.

Every person IN CHRIST knows truth, where Jesus is the HEAD and all knowledge and wisdom OF HIM flows down from the head to the Body of Christ. And all those IN CHRIST ...no one has a position of anything above another.

Everything M E W states here is not of the Lord.

And just because you went to some church for 23 years does in no way prove you know EVERYTHING every church teaches. You don't! You have come here to ASSAULT THE CHURCH. You are an enemy of THE CHURCH. That's becoming more and more plain to see with every word you speak.
---kathr4453 on 8/1/22


I know and am what the Lord taught/made me, it took 68 years of pain/suffering...SO, I am that I am, I am what I am, and I am who I am....be like the Almighty, (Exodus 3:14, 15).////

Another frightening comment. The Great "I AM" is GOD, not you or me. Being made conformable to His image does not nor will ever make us "I AM". We are not nor will ever be God's or little God's or whatever. That's blasphemy.

That comment is disturbing.

This is what happens when WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE is OUTSIDE of Christ. Those IN CHRIST would never make such a comment and would know better. This sounds like gnosticism, and we have EVERY RIGHT TO REBUKE IT HEAD ON.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/22


I DONT DEMAND,.in fact, I dont even WANT anyone to believe what I write (unless their sense of love is like Job's who said "Though He slay me, yet shall I love Him").////


Well my love and faith is that of Job, but my faith is anchored IN THE CROSS, where we are being made conformable to His Death, again Galatians 2:20-21 Romans 6-8.

But m-e-w does not come close to the preaching of THE CROSS.

So again people , discern and disect EVERY WORD others say.


And I also took that comment to Bill as DEMANDING. If you dont want to be questioned then you are on the wrong site. You may want to start your own online ministry excluding any feedback to fill your need to preach uninterrupted.
---kathr4453 on 7/29/22


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more_excellent_way:

You wrote: "I DONT DEMAND,.in fact, I dont even WANT anyone to believe what I write"

Yet earlier, you wrote: "Bill, Do not complain or dispute about what I write, no, LEARN FROM WHAT I WRITE."

That was not a request. That was not a suggestion. It was a demand. You demanded that he listen to you uncritically and accept what you say without question.

We should NEVER "just accept" what people say without question. We must always examine what they say, in light of what we already know, to see if it's actually true. The Bereans did this, and Paul praised them for doing so.
---StrongAxe on 7/29/22


I agree with Strongaxe here. We are to question and discern. We are not to follow FALSE TEACHINGS or False teachers. As a matter of fact Jesys Said, we font even hear the voice of strangers, but HIS VOICE ONLY. SOOOOO. One has to judge righteous judgement first to know what is true and false. No one is to LORD IT OVER ANOTHER. When we do see this, RUN.

Exactly what denomination More Excellent Way are you affiliated with. If you say NONE, "MINE IS OF PRIVATE INTERPRETATION" you have been deceived.
---kathr4453 on 7/28/22


Strongaxe,

I DONT DEMAND,.in fact, I dont even WANT anyone to believe what I write (unless their sense of love is like Job's who said "Though He slay me, yet shall I love Him").

I dont make demands on anyone.

I know and am what the Lord taught/made me, it took 68 years of pain/suffering...SO, I am that I am, I am what I am, and I am who I am....be like the Almighty, (Exodus 3:14, 15).

As far as I know, I probably am the only person in the world to know the truths that I write (LIVE WITH IT).

Dont get defensive.I didnt say Im better than you (guess why,
Im not better than anyone, I just dont have low self esteem). Stop feeling so challenged and inferior to me.
---more_excellent_way on 7/28/22


more_excellent_way:

You can't just demand others to accept what you write uncritically. Nobody has the right. Christians are supposed to examine everything they are taught, to make sure it is correct.

Paul praised Bereans, who "searched the scriptures daily, to see if these things be true", not blindly accepting everything he or anybody else taught.

Yes, much taught in churches today is in error, but it's arrogant to assume that in 2000 years, you are the only one to have discovered the truth. Some others on these blogs have similar beliefs about their own unique revelations. This is how cults start, e.g. the belief "The rest of the world got it all wrong. I alone am right."
---StrongAxe on 7/27/22


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Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged

John 7:24 judge RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENT (be just)


We will be judged under the LAW OF LIBERTY.

.JUDGE NOT (discern between right and wrong, but do not judge AGAINST people, do not set yourself up as judge, do not set your heart against anyone..leave the judging to God (there is ONE JUDGE).

James 1:25 But he who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty,.....he shall be blessed in his doing.
********SPECIALNOTICE SPECIAL ATTENTION James 2:12 So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty.

.the law of liberty means that we can make our own decisions.IT IS A LAW, NOT AN OPTION.
---more_excellent_way on 7/27/22


Bill,

Do not complain or dispute about what I write, no, LEARN FROM WHAT I WRITE.

I was a churchgoing "christian" for 23 years (I know exactly what is taught and what is not). HUMBLE YOURSELF and always be ready to learn something wherever you go and from whoever you talk to.....THAT IS WISDOM, and that is where intelligence is.

Read all my blogs and discover wisdom that hasn't been taught for 2,000 years.

We are JESHURUN (not EARTHLY Israel) the Lord's BELOVED AND HOLY/spiritual Israel. We are sons of God, not servants. We have been adopted as SONS and only SONS can be saved because by becoming sons of God, we have drawn near.

Jesus only has the ability to save those who "DRAW NEAR".
---more_excellent_way on 7/27/22


more excellent way > in your quote of Hebrews 2:14 your quote says Satan "has" the power of death. But my translation says he "had" the power of death.

Now, you say the commandments have been destroyed. However, in our New Testament we have commandments. For example >

"Do all things without complaining and disputing, that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation" > in Philippians 2:13-16.

By stopping whatever in us that would cause us to argue or complain, we can become blameless and harmless and without fault in the character of God's love. How's this for a commandment?
---Bill on 7/26/22


The commandments were destroyed along with the devil (whether you like it or not) along with the devil......they were also ABOLISHED in Jesus's flesh.

Hebrews 2:14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same nature, that through death he might DESTROY him who has the power of death, that is, the devil,

Ephesians 2:15 by ABOLISHING in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace
---more_excellent_way on 7/25/22


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