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Jesus Takes Our Sin
when sin was placed on the "humanity" of Jesus, it was the humanity of Jesus who cried out.
---kathr4453 on 10/18/17

The "why" of my passion to show the Father did not turn away from Jesus on the cross, is that so many are trapped in religion, stuck trying to keep God "happy" with their performance of His laws.

They are told that the Father abandoned His Son on the cross and many feel no acceptance from the Father. They must keep the Father "happy" or He will abandon them.

What they do not know is that the Father did not turn. There is no shadow or turning in the Father. He is the one who pursues them. He desires none to be lost, and will leave the 99 to find them.

Is There Beauty Discrimination
The Ten are unnecessary FOR US, because if we obey the Two, we ALREADY avoid murder, theft, adultery, etc.
---StrongAxe on 10/19/17

Amen, to that statement.

Jesus Takes Our Sin
The whole of the Mercy seat, Holy of Holies, High Priest etc, is a pattern of what and how God dealt with man.
---kathr4453 on 10/17/17

Jesus is the Mercy Seat. Where the intersection of God and man takes place.

Jesus is our path to the Father, our connection to the Trinity, to their life. Only thru Jesus is access possible.

Our sin has been dealt with, once for all time, for all men.

Rom 5:18 "So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men"

Jesus Takes Our Sin
I feel safe in stating MY CONVICTIONS backed by scripture, not backed or not backed by what anyone else says.
---kath4453 on 10/17/17

Here are Scriptures to back up my understanding that God can and does look upon sin:

2 Cor. 5:21 "He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf..."

Gal 3:13 " Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us..."

Job 1: 6 "Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them"

Gen 6:5 "Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually"

Jesus Takes Our Sin
---kathr4453 on 10/17/17

You may not know, but there are other theories for Jesus saying this on the cross.

Here are two.

First, perhaps Jesus wanted those around Him to start quoting Psalm 22. Read it for yourself. However, if you read Psalm 22 with Jesus on the cross in mind, it easily describes the agony and actions during His death.

Second, when Jesus became our sin on the cross, the sin interfered His relationship with the Father. Jesus lost sight of the Father and temporarily felt forsaken. But, He was not forsaken as it is not possible for a separation to take place.

Jesus Takes Our Sin
What you are saying is Jesus REALLY didn't die, because God can't die....
---kathr4453 on 10/16/17

Nope. Not what I am saying.

What I am disputing is that God (specifically The Father) cannot look upon sin and therefore, turned His back on Jesus and was separated from Jesus while Jesus became our sin on the cross.

Nowhere in the Bible is this dogma recorded. Yet, it is constantly repeated in pulpits all over the world.

This dogma characterizes The Father as abandoning His Son and consequently, able to abandon and reject us.

Nothing could be farther from the truth.

Are There Christians Here
I am assuming that most people here claim to be Christians.
---Loony1 on 10/14/17

Hello Loony1.

This is a bad assumption to make. I made it also. I originally thought everyone here believed as I did but have found otherwise.

In these blogs, we have all forms of Christianity. From Catholic and Orthodox, to Protestant denominations. Also, we have Latter Day Saints, Jehovah's Witnesses, Messianic Jews, Orthodox Jews, and atheist/agnostic folk.

As you can see, there are many beliefs/faiths represented and many different ways to understand Scripture and Tradition.

Jesus Takes Our Sin
People have a hard time understanding that concept because they are still drinking milk.
---Nicole_Lacey on 10/16/17

Its even bigger than that.

We have been discussing since the 11th century in our Western Tradition (Protestant tradition), a theory of atonement that shows the Father to have a different character than the Son.

But how can the Father have a different character than the Son? The Son is the visible image of the invisible Father and has in Himself all the fullness of the deity. They share the same love, mercy, and passion for us.

If Jesus was able to say "go and sin no more", so must the Father.

No satisfaction of justice is necessary.

Jesus Takes Our Sin
God cannot look at be in that moment separated from the Father
---kathr4453 on 10/13/17

I must disagree with these statements.

First, Jesus was always God even on the cross. In fact, Paul tells us in 2 Cor 5:21, Jesus became our sin so that we can be reconciled to the Father.

Second, Jesus was never separated from the Father. In John 16:32 Jesus tells His disciples they will be scattered but He will not be alone, because the Father is with Him.

Our understanding of the Trinity tells us that Jesus was always God, will always be God, and will always be in a relationship with the Father and the Holy Spirit so close that it is described as "one".

This was true every second on the cross.

Is DACA Legal
SCOTUS can hear ANY case from ANY jurisdiction that has been appealed all the way up the chain, not only federal cases.
---StrongAxe on 9/9/17


SCOTUS is a federal court. It cannot hear cases from state courts unless these cases involve federal law or federal rights being infringed.

States have their own Supreme Courts to hear appellate cases that do not involve federal laws.

Many cases involve both State and Federal law which complicates jurisdiction.

Is DACA Legal
---Nicole_Lacey on 9/8/17

This is the traditional understanding.

The DACA ruling is from a case of private citizens suing the Executive Branch (at the time) saying that the DACA EO or DACA Executive directive violated existing federal law.

SCOTUS can only hear a case if federal law is involved, or citizens rights under the constitution are infringed. And SCOTUS does not rule on whether a law is constitutional or not.

Is DACA Legal
The Supreme Court has already declined to rule against it, so it's not illegal until someone actually challenges it to the Supreme Court again
---StrongAxe on 9/7/17

This attitude shows why our government is struggling.

We have a federal government of three EQUAL branches. SCOTUS is not supreme over the POTUS who is not supreme over the Congress. Only Congress can pass bills into law. DACA is not a law, Congress did not pass the Dreamers bill into law. DACA is either an Executive Order or a directive from the Executive Branch.

Therefore, any EO or directive from the Executive Branch can be changed or rescinded by the Executive Branch. SCOTUS has no part in the discussion, because they only rule on LAWS.

America's Historical Monuments
No actual history is actual and NOT depended on HOW people wish to remember it or not.
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/31/17

You have way too much energy invested in this.

Monuments are not history. The history is the actual battles and the men who served. History is remembered by the individuals who participated, by the friends and family they told, and by the families who sent their men. It is also remembered by the reporters who saw and wrote of what they saw.

I am not discussing the rewriting of history. I am discussing the actual statues and effigies erected. These monuments do not change history one way or another. Putting up a monument does not change history, just as taking one down does not change history.

America's Historical Monuments
Suppose the people are honestly wrong on the purpose of the monuments?
---Nicole_Lacey on 8/30/17

Monuments are not history. They are just symbols of a history that someone wants to remember.

Actual history is something else and how it is remembered is up to individuals.

I have lived in NC for 25 years. I am originally from an area of the country where Generals Grant, Sherman, and Sheridan were from. When I first came to NC, I heard a lot about us "Yankees" coming down south. And if I told them where I was originally from, it would start arguments.

People here choose to keep the Confederacy in their hearts. It is their history. But don't ask me to support it.

America's Historical Monuments
All people should have a voice in whether or not they are removed - not just a band of criminal thugs.
---Jerry6593 on 8/30/17

I agree. My exact sentiments.

Our governor has made a statement that he desires all the Confederate monuments removed from government property. That is his opinion, not law. Can he arbitrarily remove them?

No, it requires a repeal of 2015 Law. Only the Legislature can begin to remove the monuments. They represent the people and are our voice.

For us in NC, this same Legislature that passed the 2015 law is unlikely to author a bill to repeal it or to give Governor Cooper anything he wants.

America's Historical Monuments
Is tearing down America's historical monuments wrong?
---Jerry6593 on 8/23/17

No, provided, it is done according to the law.

Monuments are memorials to something people want to remember. What people want to remember changes over time, and our monuments should reflect that. Perhaps people no longer want to remember the War between the States. But to break the law to remove the monuments is wrong.

I live in NC. I live right on the border of NC and SC, but I purposefully chose to live in NC because SC was flying the Star & Bars over the State Capital and I see that flag as a traitorous symbol. SC has since stopped flying the Stars & Bars over the State Capital and I am happy about it.

Commandments From Jesus
Those in Christ Jesus are walking in Christ. Not living in sin.
---Samuelbb7 on 8/1/17

I agree Samuel. We cannot be in Christ, in communion with Jesus, if we are living in sin. I am not declaring this. I do not know how you got here.

But what I am saying is that we in Christ are no longer under the law because the requirement of the law has been satisfied by Jesus for us.

And that's why there is no condemnation for those in Christ, because the law has no power over us to condemn us.

Commandments From Jesus
In (John 8:34) Jesus tells us everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Do you believe him?
---David on 8/1/17

I believe Jesus, I do not believe your translation.

First. Context. The context is about being a slave or free. Not about sin.

Second. The verse says "...everyone who commits sin is a slave to sin..." yet the word translated "commits" in English, is in Greek, a Present Tense Verb Participle which indicates continuous action, habitual action, or a "lifestyle" action.

For example, if you play tennis once in your life, you are not a tennis player. But if you play every week, why then you are a tennis player.

Jesus says if you habitually commit sin, you are its slave.

What Is Vain Philosophy
Worship is the act of Loving GOD. Which leads to loving our neighbor.
---Samuelbb7 on 7/31/17

I think your statement describes part of our relationship with our God, the Trinity.

I need to know I am loved, accepted, and I have assurance in my relationship with Jesus, His Father, and the Holy Spirit. I need to know that I was loved and wanted from the foundation of the world, and no matter what I do, good or bad, that love will never change.

For my part, I need to believe, trust, and depend upon God. I involve God in all aspects and activities in my life. God is the source and reason for every good thing in my life and I praise and worship Him for that.

Anything other than this relationship is religion.

Commandments From Jesus
If you are not under the Law, can you give me an example of sin that makes you a sinner?
---David on 8/1/17

I refuse to play your games about sin and the Law.

Read on in Romans until you get to this:

Romans 8:1-4 "Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit"

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