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Doctrine Of Immaculate Conception
Jerry and Kathr:

I challenge you both name 3 church fathers, name the books chapters and verses where they taught, defended, and believed in the RCC??

Give the context so we can all go read it??

Hope to hear back from you soon,

---john9346 on 7/9/17

That should be so easy:)

Finish It Here May 2017

ohn9346* But sir, you originally stated that "Trogo." was used in vs 51 now you're saying its "Phago."

My bad, but they both mean to eat, as you have mention,

/John 6 the word for eat in Greek is, "Phago." verses 54, 56, and 58 the Greek Word for eat is, "Trogo."/

Pls expalin the difference?

john9346* Sir, respectfully, sir have you really studied these words??

Study?? John you sound like you study Greek, pls tell me why the use of phago and then he changes the word to trogo?

Finish It Here May 2017

john9346* Sir, this is "Patently False." verses 51-53 of John 6 the word for eat in Greek is, "Phago." verses 54, 56, and 58 the Greek Word for eat is, "Trogo."

Those two words are pointing to the same reality , physical eating of Jesus, case in point phago was use in v51, they ask " How can this man give us his flesh to eat'?

If Jesus wanted a symbolic meaning to his teaching, he could had use another greek word but instead use a more graphic word trogo!

Why Easter And Christmas
john9346* Now if you disagree that it is not all a "Metaphor." vs 35-63 then show us all wheredid it change fromvs 35-63??

1. Words change from 'hungry-thirst to eat, flesh, drink and blood.

2. No one grumble about hungry-thirst, but when he change the words to eat, flesh, drink and blood.

3. The greek verb use trogo is chew, gnat and munch.

4. If Jesus were demanding us to eat His flesh in a symbolic sense, He would be saying "He who reviles or assaults me has eternal life."

john9346* And again "words without context mean absolutely nothing."

Practice what you preach!

Why Easter And Christmas
John vs 35 when he first starts this conversation vs 50-51 the Lord Jesus says again what he all ready said in vs 35.
---john9346 on 5/13/17


v 35 " I am the bread of life He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty."

John Jesus DOES NOT even come close to repeat himself. Notice uses the words 'Eat', Flesh, Drink, and blood! In fact When Jesus said ' he who believes in me will never go thirsty', this metaphor tells us to think of drinking water not BLOOD. Notice the Jews were not grumbling about the metaphors 'Hungry' and 'thirsty'. As already mention, he responded by using an even more literal verb (Greek, trogo) which means to "gnaw, chew,"

Why Easter And Christmas
john9346* to which he wasn't because he used vs 63 very clearly to define his meaning...

"It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." vs 63

John are you saying when Jesus said " This bread is my flesh which I will give to the world.")the flesh profiteth nothing)-really

Besides when Jesus talks about the spirit gives life and the flesh is being of no avail,He is talking about the need to have supernatural faith to understand his words.

Also notice Jesus doesn't say my flesh is spirit, but that my words are spirit. What words are they ? Eat my flesh and drink my blood or we have no life in us!

Why Easter And Christmas
john9346-Reuben, 61 again.

John, " What if you see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?" BTW the disciples did see him ascending ( Acts 1:9-11)

john9346* In this context vs 50-66 it is used spiritual.

Yes John, the bread is spiritual nourishment but why? Jesus tell us , " "the bread that I give is my flesh for the life of the world."

John you must like them , deal with his plain meaning of his words!

John 9346- But there are Spiritual Symbolism through out "Scritpure."...

Yes but not all-From v51-58 the Greek verb (trogo) which means to chew, gnat, or much is used. And as mention to you before it was use twice (Mt 24:38, Jn 13:18) but never symbolic.

Why Easter And Christmas
john9346* So how can his flesh profiteth nothing?"

Reuben, you have to continue reading what the Holy Spirit had John to write it answers your question, "the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life."

John, it makes no sense for Jesus to keep saying about his flesh,


The Jews and his Disciples understood him literally, because he responded by using an even more literal verb (Greek, trogo) which means to "gnaw, chew, trogo is use twice more in scripture (Mt 24:38, Jn 13:18) both times it means to chew.

BTW- The word SPIRIT is never use symbolically in scripture, Which words give spirit and life, those I just wrote v51-55!

Why Easter And Christmas
john9346* jesus tells you vs 56, "56 He that eateth my flesh, , dwelleth in me, "

John is saying "the flesh profiteth nothing" is Jesus own flesh. But on the verse you gave, tells us he that eat my flesh dwells in me and I in him, also ' This flesh I gave to the world and he will also raise up on the last day . So how can his flesh profiteth nothing?

John-Reuben ask, Why did Jesus not call them back?"

The Lord Jesus answers your question in vs 64-65...

Of course he knows, after all he is God. But if they left because they misunderstood him, why would he allow you to go to hell, the answer is because you do not believe what he says, he allows you to go. John-Do you also want to leave?

Why Easter And Christmas
Absolutely and that is why the Lord Jesus stated, "63 It is the spirit that quickeneth, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." Jn 6:63

Referencing eating his flesh and drinking his blood...
---john9346 on 5/5/17

Jesus himself said "Whoever eats this bread will live forever, This bread is my Flesh which I will give to the world"v 51 then many times after being ask " How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" v52

Whose flesh is Jesus referring to?v63

And if his DISCIPLES were correct to walk away (because a Jewish Rabbi teaching cannibalism ) Why did Jesus not call them back?

You walk away from Jesus no have no life!

Why Easter And Christmas
The Roman Catholic Religion that you know today wasn't in existence when Easter and Christmas was established.

Roman Catholicism didn't exist until about the 12th-13thCentury...
---john9346 on 4/17/1

You are kidding right??

pls explain?

Are you referring in the name of Roman??

How Is God Love

amen brother,

we have all sinned against Almighty God, yet He showed His love for us that He send His only Son to die for our sins. He loved us so much He had mercy on us sinners, who have sinned against Him. Now, that is love. Now, those who are not chosen, He did nothing wrong to them. He just didn't choose them. People don't like that, because He did not choose them. They say it is not fair that some were chosen and others were not, as if any deserved salvation.

God has the right to choose

---Luke on 3/16/17

---john9346 on 4/12/17

John, Luke:

Who are the ones who says, Why was I not chosen??

Who are the us that were chosen??

What Filioquism Means
There are actually TWO words in Greek that mean "proceed": PROINAI and POREVEI.

One can say in Greek that the Holy Spirit PROINAI from the Father and the Son, but that's NOT the word used in the Greek version of the creed, --

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/5/16

The Greek word use for proceed in John 15:26 and Rev 22:1 is ekporeuomai, to go forth, go out, depart.

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth G1607 from the Father, he shall testify of me:

And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding G1607 out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

What Filioquism Means
Without getting too complicated, in Greek to say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son is basically Sabellianism.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/4/16

Early Church Fathers from the west and EAST taught that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both, as does scripture!

"And he showed me a river of water of life, clear as crystal,
proceeding from the throne of God AND of the Lamb." Rev 22:1

Recall Jesus words in John 7:38-39,

"He that believes in me [Jesus], as the scripture says: Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. AND NOW HE SAID THIS OF THE SPIRIT "

BTW- The same Greek word(proceed) use in John 15:26 is use in Rev 22:1

What Filioquism Means
Jesus specifically referred to the "Comforter, Who proceedeth from the Father." He did NOT say "from the Father and Myself."

I'm sorry I'm having computer problems. Otherwise, I could provide the Scripture reference here.

Glory to Jesus Christ!
---Cluny on 12/3/16

Let me help you with it,

And he did not say from the Father only as while.

"But when the Paraclete comes, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he shall give testimony of me. (15:26)"

Believe The Classic Creeds
the church fathers place "Scripture." as their Infallible Authority for Faith and Practice...

I apologize
---john9346 on 11/21/16\\

No they did not,

St. Basil the Great(A.D. 329-379), Doctor of the Catholic Church, bishop of Caesarea, :

", some we possess from written teaching and others we receive from the tradition of the Apostles, In respect to piety both are of the same force. No one will contradict any of these, no one, at any rate, who is even moderately versed in manners ecclesiastical. Indeed, were we to try to reject the unwritten customs as having no great authority, we would unwittingly injure the Gospel in its vitals,"
Holy Spirt 27:66

You do need to apologize.

Understanding Calvinism
john9346* "Let us, therefore, approach him with holiness of spirit, lifting unto him pure and undefiled hands, loving the kind and compassionate Father who hath made us a part of his elect."

First Clement 29:1

30:1 Since, therefore, we are a portion of the Holy One, let us do all such things as pertain unto holiness, avoiding evil-speaking, foul and impure embraces, drunkenness, disorderliness, abominable desires, detestable adultery, execrable pride,

Here (Pope Clement) warns the elect:

Finish It Here Nov 2016
reuben ask, "Which Church Fathers said scripture "First" ??

All of them...
---john9346 on 11/14/16

pls then give one that said that. And their writing!

Finish It Here Nov 2016
All the church fathers when referencing the "Scriptures." always stated that everything came downfrom the Scriptures "First." then to others.

They never stated, the "Scriptures." "Second." as you your claiming.
---john9346 on 11/11/16

Which Church Fathers said scripture "First" ??

Finish It Here__Oct, 2016
So let me get this correct God who is an Infinite Eternal Spiritual Being is unable to guide mankind to the truth??
---john9346 on 11/1/16

Let me get this correct, you are saying, God the Infinite Eternal Spiritual Being left it up to mankind that which interpretation you prefer is correct?

John 9346* The Scriptures are self-consistent, self-interpreting, and self-authenticating.

Scripture is not self-authenticating, if it were than the canon of scripture would had been settle right way!

How do you know who wrote the Gospels? By Sola Scripture or by Tradition?

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