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How Was Christianity Maintained
Now since we both know the Law of Moses was done away with, this can not be the Law Paul was referencing in (Romans 2: 12 & 13).

So what Law is Paul talking about?

How Was Christianity Maintained
David, answer this question for me, how is a Christian justified? ---john9346 on 1/22/18

I will let the Bible answer that for you.
(Romans 2:12 & 13) For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law, For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Do you accept Pauls answer?

How Was Christianity Maintained
StrongAxe, Kathryn and Samuel
We are not under the Law of Moses, but we are not under the Law of Christ.
Absolute Proof?

What do we call the Law given to Moses? Is it not called the Old Covenant?
What do we call the Law of Christ? Is it not called the New Covenant?
What is a Covenant?
An agreement, usually formal, between two or more persons to do or not do something specified.

Besides, God called the New Covenant, The Law, in (Hebrews 8:10)
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

How Was Christianity Maintained
Christians are no longer under the law. ---StrongAxe on 1/21/18

(1 John 2:3) And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

How can you keep his commandments, when you say we dont have any? Arent Gods commandments called the Law?

BTW, I dont use apostrophes in words like dont, because my I-Pad wont let me use apostrophes for some reason. We have a lot of smart folks here, can anyone tell me why?

(Revelation 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

These saints mentioned above, why would they keep the commandments if they were not under the Law?

How Was Christianity Maintained
To put Paul at odds with Jesus to its Logical Conclusion is putting Christ against himself...---john9346 on 1/20/18

I agree, but thats what both Catholic and Protestant doctrines do. Paul built on the Gospel of Christ, whereas both your doctrines circumvent Christs doctrine.

Both Your doctrines teach a believer is not under the Law. This is a fact. Isnt it also a fact, you must die to sin before you can live for Christ? Tell me, anyone of you, in (Romans 7: 7-12) doesnt Paul clearly say it was the Law which brought about his death to sin?

Now since you folks claim your not under the Law of God, as Paul claims he was, before he died to sin, how do you without Gods moral Law, die to sin?

How Was Christianity Maintained
Its very easy to fall prey to a man made religion, when you follow them blindly.

Both Catholic and Protestant religions are man made. Easy to prove, when all one needs to do is look at their rituals. I see no rituals in the Bible. I only see Christs doctrine, which when followed, brings a man closer to God as Christ promised.

Though its Kinda hard to follow, when your doctrines teach you erroneously, following Christ is against the teachings of Paul.

How Was Christianity Maintained
How was Christianity maintained?
If our body is our temple, logic dictates it has been maintained in the individual believer. Christ lives in the believer, not in some building we see as Holy.

In the Bible, folks met in their homes and I suspect that is how it has been maintained ever since.

Mix Of Grace Law Or
Why does Paul seemingly teach against Works for salvation in one place, and then promote Works for Salvation in other places?
Because Paul taught both Jew and Gentile believer. When he teaches against Works, he is referring to the Law of Moses. When he promotes Works, he is referring to the Law of Christ. Proof?

(Acts 21:20-21) And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe, and they are all zealous of the law: And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

Can I Remarry My Husband
Thank you for the advice.

Christ In You
The difference?
Though most doctrines teach against it, you are not Born of God the instant you become a follower of Jesus Christ. You in Christ, is a follower who has yet to be born of God. Christ is in you, is a follower who has been Born of God, and God lives in them.

Mix Of Grace Law Or
David, the answer is clearly in your verse posted. The key word is OBEY. ---kathr4453

Then you agree, obedience to the Law of Christ is a requirement of salvation?

To not obey truth, and instead obey unrighteousness, is to mix works of law with grace. -Haz27

When Paul teaches against Works, Many folks do not take into account that Paul was referring to the Law of Moses, not the Law of Christ.

Pauls Anti-Law statements were directed at the Jews, those who were under the Law of Moses, not the Gentile believers, those who were never under the Law. (Acts 21:20-21)

Mix Of Grace Law Or
(Romans 2, 5-10) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God....Who will render to every man according to his deeds... To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life...But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile, But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good...

Kathryn and Haz
How does this fit into your, NO works salvation doctrine?

Explain Matthew 5:16
The good works in (Matthew 5) is in reference to those God has blessed through you, because you did as you were commanded by his Holy Spirit. Those commands usually come in the form or rendering aid to a specific individual.

Instead of you taking a bow for the aid, Let that person know that it was God who commanded you, and you were simply following his commandment. That way God gets the Glory and you grow more in his Grace. (John 14:21).

Mix Of Grace Law Or
Because of a few verses from Pauls epistles, many folks are confused about Grace, Faith and Works. All three are part of the Salvation Equation. Most folks know about Grace and Faith, but their doctrines stay far away from the Bibles teaching that both come through Works.

How can Works, Faith and Grace be taught as one? According to the foundation set by Jesus Christ, on how we recieve Gods Grace, in (John 14:21), Grace is received by Works.

And in (James 2), We see Faith without Works is worthless. Now if we are saved by Grace through Faith, and Faith without Works is worthless, how can you believe Works is not part of the Salvation Equation?

Salvation is the result of Grace, received by Faith through Works.

Can I Remarry My Husband
Be informed, there is one other person on CN who posts as David, though his posts are being credited along with mine. The David who you are talking with is not me.

Can I Remarry My Husband
"Understand that you all have already gone against the scripure." How can you make such a statement without knowing if indeed she divorced him. if she didn't divorce him then she didn't do anything wrong!

Without Law No Sin
DAVID. The gospel that both Jesus and Paul preached are consistent with each other.---Haz27 on 12/28/17

Didnt say they werent, only most choose to preach Pauls epistles and not from Christs Gospel. The reason is, Paul was merely human and they find it easy to twist his words, twisted to their own destruction.

Remember the warning given in (2 Peter 3:15-17) to folks who made the same mistake as you do now.

Without Law No Sin
Most folks believe in God the way you do. I was raised in it too. What the no works doctrine brought me, was unbelief. Today, I do believe in God. My belief did not come by way of reading the Bible, or by way of a preacher. I became a believer through a relationship with God.

I tried doing what Jesus taught in the Gospel, though not knowing the Gospel of Christ, and God responded to what I was doing.
How did I know the Gospel?
Though I didnt understand at the time, I was being commanded by the Holy Spirit. After a few months I did start reading the Bible, and I discovered everything I was being taught, was written in the Gospel of Christ.

Have you ever noticed, no one in the Bible teaches from the Gospel of Paul?

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