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Haz27:

You wrote: AXE. It's clear you follow a gospel where JC is irrelevant to salvation as works is enough.

I've repeatedly told you that this is NOT the case, but my words fall on deaf ears.

You take Matt 25, Matt 10:42, in isolation from the the Bible,

Yes - because I was speaking ONLY about what they SPECIFICALLY say. I Never said that was the WHOLE message of the Bible.

You have until the end of this blog to flog this dead horse, and then I'm done with it.


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john9346:

Nowhere does 1 Corinthians 15:3-8 say ANYONE witnessed the resurrection. It happened before the stone was rolled away. Many people saw the resurrected Jesus AFTER the resurrection, but nobody actually saw the resurrection. Apostles didn't even believe until women told them about it.

I never said Paul wasn't an apostle - only that he didn't meet a set of 3 criteria that you set forth (which means your criteria were incorrect).

Sir, I pray you'll repent and believe before its to late for you...

What, exactly do I need to repent OF? We were talking about whether the canon is closed - so I asked you to show me which scripture REQUIRED proper belief about the canon in order to be saved.


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Haz27:

You attack and accuse me in almost every post (e.g. "false gospel", "deflection", "leftie"). I rarely snap at you - only from constant provocation, then you pull the "victim card" card.

About the "primary issue of the Bible", you mention many important scriptures on faith, yet ignore important ones on works like Matthew 25, and James 2 about both. Why? To see the whole picture about ANYTHING, you should see all angles. As with most arguments, you cite things agreeing with your point while ignoring anything with even a slightly different perspective. Talk about deflection!

John 14:6.

Matthew 25 sheep did the will of Jesus without even realizing it.


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Haz27:

You wrote: AXE. I see youre now even gloating of your virtue of being long suffering

Gloating? Are you even CAPABLE of making a post without accusing somenoe of something? Read your New Testament and see who is called "the accuser", and whose agenda you seem to be following.

I point out the flaws that legislators have as a group. You point out flaws *I* have personally. That is the difference.

Still waiting for you to explain your doctrines contradiction of the gospel.

I have explained already, but you will keep waiting until icicles drip from Satan's nose.


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john9346:

You wrote: False what he actually stated is, "8 And last of all...

Exactly. He was seen AFTER the resurrection. Nobody saw the resurrection AS IT WAS TAKING PLACE (which is what I said, and in bold face to make it clear).

I wrote: Show me where scripture requires proper belief about whether the canon is closed or not as a prerequisite for salvation.

You wrote: 2 Tim 3:16-17

Nothing in this passage says anything about "canon", nor anything about "salvation".


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Steveng:

I'm usually very long-suffering. It usually takes a lot, over a long time, to provoke me, unlike Haz27, who attacks me in almost every post.


Haz27:

I only "admit" things in your own mind as you read between the lines. I have NOT "refused to answer". I answer repeatedly. You just don't like the answer.

Matthew 10:42 says ANYONE will have "his reward", and is literally about water.

Sigmund Freud once said, "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Sometimes when the Bible talks about water, it's ACTUALLY talking about water.


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john9346:

You wrote: Because the canon is closed no more revelation see, Eph 2:19-20, 2 Pet 1:19-21

Eph 2:19-20: Citizenship says nothing anything about the canon being closed.
2 Peter 1:19-21 doesn't say holy men can no longer by moved.
1 Cor 15:3-8: "I also RECEIVED", not "I SAW". Also, the apostles saw Jesus AFTER the Resurrection. Nobody saw the resurrection while it was ACTUALLY happening (unlike the Transfiguration).
Mark 16:1-8, Jn 20:1-9: also AFTER.

Sir, I pray you'll repent and believe before its to late for you...

Show me where scripture requires proper belief about whether the canon is closed or not as a prerequisite for salvation. You're choking on gnats.


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Mark_Eaton:

You wrote: Much of this comes from extra-biblical writings and is even discussed in some Kabbalah teaching.

Where it comes from is irrelevant, if it is quoted authoritatively in scripture. If Jude said it and believed it, and Jude is the Word of God, then it's true, no?

Why do you?

To provide a reductio ad absurdum argument against those whose criterion of canonicity is whether a work is quoted in scripture. Anyone who does this must rip Esther out of their bible and replace it with Enoch.


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Haz27:

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I had his/her once, but you never clarified which was correct. Message limits don't permit =saying his/her every time.

Refusing to answeris is not provocative. Jesus refused to tell Pharisees where his authority came from, or Pilate if he was king. Constantly accusing me of a "false gospel" IS provocative, as accusations always are.

Matt 25+James 2 don't contradict the gospel. They say different things, and must be reconciled. Look up "dialectic".

How do YOU interpret Matt 10:42? Jesus says ANYONE, not ANY CHRISTIAN.

Anyway, I have given you my answers, but since you don't like them, there's nothing more I can tell you on the subject. Please move on.


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Samuelbb7:

Nowhere does the Bible say visions and canon are closed. The Jews wrongly themselves believed this 2000 years ago.

Still, it would take great vision or great delusion to think one is an Apostle, and there are few (if any) who could fill those shoes. All I'm saying is that the Bible doesn't preclude it.


john9346:

You give 3 qualifications.

Paul doesn't fulfil 1. It was possible for Jesus to personally appear to Paul and appoint him. What makes it IMPOSSIBLE for Jesus to appear to Tom, Dick, and Harry to appoint THEM?

NOBODY (including the Apostles) witnessed the Resurrection directly - only the evidence of it. Whether Jesus was seen alive in 34 AD or 2034 AD, both show the same evidence.


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Steveng:

I wrote: Can you PLEASE get this through your thick skull?

You wrote: Not a christian response.

Yet you say not a peep against Haz27's incessant attacks against me that provoked it, or do you think THOSE are Christian responses? Before asking me to remove the speck from my eye, ask her to remove the beam from hers.


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kathr4453:

You wrote: Strongaxe, the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit leads us into Truth, is that which we have an anointing, and has exercised us to be able to eat strong meat, and be able to DISCERN truth from lies, are not FEELINGS.

Yes. However there are many people who believe they are indwelled by the Holy Spirit, and who truly believe they are discerning the truth, but are dead wrong on both accounts. (Mormons believing the Book of Mormon is the Inspired Word of God is one such example).

My point is that one's own subjective belief that one has the Spirit and Truth are not guarantees of these things.


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Haz27:

Stop. Just STOP. I have explained repeatedly that I was speaking SOLELY about what Matthew 25 was saying, yet you keep INSISTING that this is "my false gospel", because you continue to disregard EVERYTHING ELSE I SAY about the subject after your repeated questions. Because you REFUSE to listen, I will cease to "kick against the goads", and decline to discuss anything more with you on this subject, since it is a total waste of my time and effort, and that of everyone else who reads these blogs.

Perhaps when you learn how to seriously consider what others say, and actualy listen without constantly screaming accusations, I might consider discussing things with you further. Until then, good day.


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kathr4453:

Just because you read a book and YOU don't "feel" the spirit in it, it doesn't mean it wasn't inspired (any more than if, say, a Mormon "feels" the spirit in the Book of Mormon, that means it is inspired).

Just because somebody has a doctrine YOU don't agree with, that doesn't necessarily mean it IS a false doctrine. Just because YOU don't need Jesus to appear to YOU, that doesn't mean he won't to anyone else.

Even if it a false doctrine includes some component (e.g. "an encounter with Jesus"), that doesn't make that component false, any more than eating unworthily makes eating wrong (1 Corinthians 11:20-34). Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.


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Mark_Eaton:

Jude not only quoted 1 Enoch but specifically wrote "Enoch, the seventh from Adam wrote...", meaning he personally believed Enoch wrote it, and WE consider Jude to be inspired scripture - i.e. the Word of GOD.


David8318:

One doesn't get much love from your Jehovah's Witnesses either, who use disfellowshipping to tear apart families of those who join them, and those who dare question their unquestionable teachings.


Nicole_Lacey:

I'm still curious why taking money from the rich who earned it and giving it to the poor is robbery, EXCEPT in Puerto Rico, where the government should break the law and not pay workers their legally-mandated bonuses they earned, in order to feed the poor?


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Haz27:

Then please explain why these Christians asked Jesus "when did we feed you?" since Christians would obviously already know the answer to this question?

Jesus's parables were all hypothetical. However, in this one, he specifically says, "The Son of Man SHALL come in glory, and...". This is NOT hypothetical, but a prediction of actual events.

I was offering my interpretation of Matthew 25, nothing more. For the umpteenth time, I said that THIS one particular scripture speaks only about works, not that ALL scripture does. I have also repeatedly said James 2 requires both. Can you PLEASE get this through your thick skull?


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kathr4453:

Others nearby didn't see nor hear him.

That other occurrences weren't recorded in scripture doesn't mean they didn't happen. Many things (e.g. the martyrdoms of Peter and Paul) aren't in scripture either.

You also forget about John seeing Jesus in the Revelation.

You may not think there is any reason for Jesus to appear, but he may think otherwise.


john9346:

No one alive today logically meets the Biblical Qualifications of an apostle.

What "Biblical qualifications" (BCV)?

You cannot say this for sure unless you can prove this for each of 7+ billion people.

(Also, this is off the blog topic.)


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Mark_Eaton:

Actually Jude 1:14-15:
And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

directly quotes 1 Enoch 1:9:
And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones To execute judgment upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly: And to convict all flesh Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.


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Haz27:

You wrote: BTW, still waiting for you to explain your suggestion that belief in JC is not needed for salvation as somehow deeds are sufficient.

This is directly contingent on who the sheep (who are obviously saved) are in Matthew 25.

I'm still waiting for you to explain who YOU think they are. As I mentioned several times, Christians would know better than to ask "when did we feed you?" since they would already know the answer. So who are they?



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