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End Of World September 2017
  
And now it's September 24, and Nibiru has failed to appear yet again, and yet another set of date setters has been proven false.


Who's The Elect
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Who do you suggest they DENY health care?

Convents are not Superman. They can reasonably provide care for just so many people. You can't care for EVRYONE, and if you try, you will fail, and the patients will suffer, and so will all the people trying to care for them.

You all on the Left claim a woman has a choice when it comes to her reproductive body, but I can't decide for myself whether or not to work 70hrs a day?

First of all, you err when you say "you all on the left", because when have I ever said that? And yes, if you want to work so many hours that it can affect your health, it's totally your choice to do so.


Saturday Is Day To Worship
  
Jerry6593:

Once again, we ask, since God created all things (including Sunday, and Monday, and every other day of the week), doesn't that make them all holy as well?

Also, what, exactly, is "religious observance", and where in the bible is it defined? If you look at the descrioptions in Leviticus, they merely state that certain activities are forbidden on the Sabbath (labor, commerce, travel, lighting fires, etc.), but they don't command certain other activities, such as worship. Yes, there are some things that are sometimes done on the Sabbath (e.g. convocations) but that doesn't in any way command that such things must necessarily be done on every sabbath, and must necessarily NOT be done on any other day.


Who's The Elect
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Exactly! You just proved my point! That people have problems 168 hours of the week doesn't in any way mean that YOU, or anyone else needs to work 168, or 70, or any other number. Working sisters 70 hours a week is purely a choice of the community.

How does God grant you vacations? Isn't it up to your superiors? God doesn't mention vacations anywhere in the Bible.

I said some companies are cheap, not God. However, it's always a trade-off between getting more workers, working workers harder, or doing less work. Serving more people with the same workers causes more stress on the workers.

I said every enterprise (whether for profit OR NOT). The laws of economics apply to everyone.


Is DACA Legal
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Regardless of why they do it, people who work for free in religious communities don't build up any social security earnings.

Jesus provide great retirement benefits, but doesn't cause mana to fall from the sky, or rent, or electricity, or internet.

If you work for a company and leave, you have your social security. If someone leaves a religious community, he has nothing.

(I had one friend who worked in his family business for nothing for many years, with the promise that when his father retired, he would inherit the business. When his father retired, he sold the business to another, and my friend got nothing - no income, no inheritance, no social security, no gratitude. From family.)


Saturday Is Day To Worship
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: True. But the Jewish people don't use the word 'Saturday'.

What words people use are irrelevant, because different groups use different words for the same thing, and that doesn't alter the thing. As Shakespeare said, "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet". What's at issue here is whether we should be worshipping on the Sabbath (7th day) or Sunday (1st day).

No, Muslims don't have their SABBATH on Fridays. They have their day of REST on Fridays. The Arabic word for Saturday is "assabt" (literally, "al sabt" - "the sabbath").

FWIW = For What It's Worth. (A simple google search shows this at the top).


Who's The Elect
  
Nicole_Lacey:

They are sick 24/7. Why only work 70 hours instead of 168? Because workers are not supermen, and need rest. Jesus took a break from the crowds. God took a rest from creation.

The obvious solution is to divide work among workers on multiple shifts, and have enough workers to cover those shifts. The maximum number of patients that can be reasonably taken care of is number of hours per shift times number of workers times number of patients one worker can cover divided by number of hours in a week.

Similar excuses are given by many companies that demand their workers work overtime because they're too cheap to hire extra workers. Every enterprise (whether for profit or not) must properly manage resources vs. demand.


Is DACA Legal
  
Nicole_Lacey:

One issue that I have heard from a friend who had lived in a religious community is that, even though all their needs are taken care of in exchange for their work, no wages actually change hands, so there are no social security taxes withheld. When the person gets old enough to retire, because he has no social security wages, he receives zero in social security income. He has nothing to fall back on.


Saturday Is Day To Worship
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: Please cite Scripture stating the 7th day as being Saturday?

All western calendars show Saturday as 7th day, and Sunday as 1st, even though the Bible clearly calls the Sabbath the 7th day, but Sunday is the most common day of worship. They faithfully preserve both traditions.

You do know that the word 'Saturday' is a pagan name?

A purely English conceit. It's from "Sabbath" in Arabic, Armenian, Bosnian, Bulgarian, Corsican, Croatian, Czech, Georgian, Greek, Indonesian, Italian, Latin, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russia, Serbian, Slovak, Slovene, Somali, Spanish, Sudanese, Ukrainian, ...
Which day(s) we should worship on is not a language-dependent issue.


Who's The Elect
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Why does everyone there work 70 hours a week? Most western nations have work weeks of 40 hours or even less, because they recognize longer work weeks are detrimental to workers' physical and mental health. A few times, years ago, I had projects that required intense bouts of overtime. I discovered that I could do 80 hours of work in one week, but doing so required me to take a week off to recuperate. Thus, I could get just as much work done by pushing myself as I would without doing so, but because of the stress and lack of rest, the work quality was actually lower.

How can Christians be called Christ's slaves, if we are free to leave at any time? And as kathr pointed out, the RCC used to forbid people from leaving.


Saturday Is Day To Worship
  
Jerry6593:

Again, Read ALL that I wrote. I said that Jesus both IS and IS NOT God. I didn't bother providing any scriptures for the fact that he IS, because that is well understood. I provides THREE that show he is not. For you to conclude that "I don't believe he's God says a lot" totally ignores that I ALSO believe that he IS, because that goes against your oh so convenient "Strongaxe is a atheist and therefore evil" strawman narrative.

Explain how the lawgiver God of the Old Testament (referred therein as Father) "who changeth not" can very specifically condemn adulterers to death by stoning, yet Jesus forgave the adulteress? Why would Jesus break his very own law?


Who's The Elect
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Jesus said, "My yoke is easy, and my burden is light". If any religious organization is imposing difficult or impossible burdens on you, those are neither easy nor light. Therefore, if you obey those, you're doing so as the slave of the organization, but not the slave of Jesus, because he would never require such things from you.


Woman Divorced Three Times
  
Thomas_AJ:

If the woman you married was twice divorced, she was either unlucky, difficult to live with, or a poor judge of character.
If 2, she would be a bad wife. If 3, you might not be a good husband for her. Either way, it would likely not work (and apparently it didn't).

I'm curios what kind of church she attended that had a loose Bible interpretation permitting divorce and ignoring husband's authority over wife, yet held a cult-like control over members, requiring their its permission for marriage (something not in the Bible). That should also set off red flags.

Some have said, "I like God. It's his fan club I hate". Don't allow obnoxious behavior of some so-called Christians damage your faith in God.


Saturday Is Day To Worship
  
Jerry6593:

You wrote: What? You don't believe in the divinity of Christ? That explains a lot!

I didn't say that. Please quit twisting my words and then attacking straw men of your own creation. It would help if you read the entirety of what I wrote, rather than just snip a few words to take out of context to attack them.

I wrote that, in some ways, Jesus IS God. In other ways, he is NOT God. I cited several examples. Another is his own quote "Why do you call me good? Only the Father in heaven is good." proving that Jesus did not consider himself equal to the Father.

You are also contradicting yourself. If Jesus is God, and God is Lord of all, how can there be any day over which Jesus is not Lord?


Who's The Elect
  
kathr4453:

It sounds like Nicole_Lacey said she was put out of her religious community based on recommendations from her doctor - NOT that she was excommunicated from the Catholic church. In a protestant church, this might be a bit like a minister being forced to retire from a ministry position for health reasons, which doesn't kick him out of his denomination.


End Of World September 2017
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Yes, and some of these are the same people. They latch onto the "sun will be dark and the moon will be as blood" prophecies, forgetting that those describe EVERY solar and lunar eclipse, both of which occur approximately twice a year. They then tie those to the New Year (Rosh Hashanah) in the Jewish Calendar, assuming that major events on God's calendar will necessarily coincide - which is Sept 20-22 this year, and roughly at a similar time every year.

Pastor Ricardo Salazar said a large ice rock would kill millions on May 16 2016.

Reverend Efrain Rodrguez said an asteroid would hit near Puerto Rico "soon" after 2010, killing millions.


Accounting Of Your Taxes
  
Nicole_Lacey:

We are always constrained by the 125 word limit here, This is the only site I know with such a ridiculous and stifling restriction. It doesn't even let you split a long post into several parts, as multiple posts are prohibited.

I tried to just post one relevant paragraph, but it wouldn't fit. I spend much more time on most messages, trying to trim and squeeze, to just get what I need to say to fit, than in composing them. This usually means I have to cut things out, and sometimes that even means cutting important things, including quotes. I point out the search parameters, so if you're interested, you can see the quotes in context.

I try to quote from previous posts, but frequently don't have the space.


Saturday Is Day To Worship
  
Jerry6593:

Jesus was God in some ways, not others. HS did not send Son down to "my Father, ni whom I am well pleased". Father did not pray at Gethsemane, "Spirit, take this cup away from me".

Inasmuch as Jesus is God, why not just say "God said", which is more accurate? Inasmuch as Jesus is NOT God, it is WRONG to say "Jesus said".

It is more accurate to say "God/Word/Logos said" when referring to timeless divinity, and "Jesus said" when referring to his incarnation.

Red letter bibles have no red letters in the Old Testament. If Jesus said both, why did he contradict himself by not stoning the adulteress, as he changes not?


End Of World September 2017
  
Many signs precede the end. The Beast will appear and bring 3.5 year peace for. This implies war first. War so bad it would destroy all life unless shortened. Hasn't happened. NOBODY could buy or sell without his mark. Nowhere near happening either. Christian numerologists setting dates have been predicting the End in Septembers of year after year.

Yesterday I saw Robert Breaker video saying something will happen on Sept. 23. He also made one about Sept. 23 2015. Harold Camping twice 6 years ago. All these "boys who cry Wolf" do is constantly disappoint people and make them skeptical, so when the end DOES come, they will ignore the signs and be caught unaware.

Google: failed apocalyptic predictions



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