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Finish It Here April 2018
  
Political affiliations...why get yourselves all worked up? You would hope Christians would vote with a Christian conscience,...but they dont. So why try to change their minds, with a Christian argument?

Try using abortion as an economic argument. For example, Abortion has destroyed Social Security.
How?
Killing off untold millions of potential tax payers had undermined the Social Security system.

Baby Boomer...a cleverly disguised term used to cover up this fact. Of course there was a Baby Boom...because it was the last generation before abortion became legal.

Abortion has destroyed the cycle of life, on which Social Security was founded. A cycle that was untouched before the Baby Boom.


Is Left Behind Rapture True
  
Abraham was not under the Law. The key words here are, Under The Law. What does it mean to be Under the Law?
It means, the Law God has given you, puts you Under the Penalty of Death, if you do not keep his Law.

Abraham had Law...as Samuel correctly pointed out...only he was not under the penalty of Death for breaking the Law. Abrahams children, who were under the Law of Moses...were under the penalty of death for breaking Gods Law.

Now if sin is the breaking of the Law, and the sinner will die for their sins, we are technically under the Law...only we are given a suspended sentence until the day of judgement.

Now all one needs to understand is, Why did God change the Law?


Is Left Behind Rapture True
  
Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.---Samuelbb7 on 4/11/18


Samuel
Very Interesting point!
Paul said Abraham wasnt under the Law, but the verse seems to imply Paul and I are wrong. Are we wrong, or do you have more to add?

I hope you do, because you have unearthed a very important point.


Is Left Behind Rapture True
  
The question is ...do YOU know the difference between these verses? ---kathr4453

Kathryn
Good question. I do know the difference.

Gods Law is established when he gives commandments. When there are no commandments, we have no Law. Abraham for example, was not given any commandments, therefore he was not under Law.

In (Romans 2) Paul is referencing the Law of Christ. He called it the Law, because Jesus gave us commandments in his Gospel. Just as Moses gave commandments to Abrahams children, when God established the Law of Moses.

In (Romans 3) Paul referenced the Law of Moses, which was no longer relevant after the establishment of the Law of Christ.

The New can save us, the old can not.


Is Left Behind Rapture True
  
(Romans 2:13) For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

(Romans 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


Kathryn
Im on vacation, sorry it took so long for me to respond.

Why do you think Paul appears to contradict himself in the above passages? Could he perhaps be speaking of two different Laws? The Law of Christ in the first...and the Law of Moses in the second. (John 1:17)


Is Left Behind Rapture True
  
(Revelation 14:12) Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

The commandments of God,...arent they also called,The Law? But what will happen to those who dont put themselves under the Law of God, those who are taught they are not under Gods Law?

Let (Romans 2:12) serve as a warning, from Paul. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law

How many of you sin...but are not under the Law? I wish your teachers were able to teach you, how the Law is able to covert the soul. (Psalms 19:7)


Is Left Behind Rapture True
  
The key to understanding Revelation, is to develop a time line. The mistake we make when reading the Bible, is running with a single passage, trying to develop a teaching using only those verses which support our theories, and excluding those that refute our beliefs.

Swallowed pride can sometimes make a very nourishing meal.


Is Left Behind Rapture True
  
The most obvious disclaimer of a pretribulation rapture, is found in (Revelation 20:4) & (Revelation 7:14).

Notice in 20:4, those who reign with Christ for the thousand years, are those who did not worship or receive the Mark of the Beast. Isnt the Mark of the Beast received during the Great Tribulation?

Now If these folks didnt go through the Great tribulation, why are they being rewarded for not receiving a Mark, given during the Great Tribulation?

In verse 7:14, does it not say...these folks came out of the Great Tribulation? If they did, wouldnt they have had to have been in it, to come out of it?

I ask these questions not to make folks feel foolish, but that they see the foolishness of these teachings.


Is Left Behind Rapture True
  
The Thousand year reign
The key to understanding when it begins, is to understand what it mean to reign. Is the church ruling the world today? If its not..we are not in the Thousand year reign.

The thousand year reign will begin after the Great Tribulation, when Jesus Christ comes, and takes with him, those who will be saved. We will reign with him...from heaven.

The Bible seems to be confusing on this point, because folks read it, guided by the foolish doctrines of men.


As Lenin Said Useful Idiots
  
Teachers with Guns...sounds like a good idea if they have a military or police background. But in reality, how many do?

Military folks are conditioned to quickly overcome fear in order to engage a combatant. But a teacher?
I know if I hadnt recieved this training in the Marines...I doubt I would have the fortitude to act.


As Lenin Said Useful Idiots
  
I know in the minds of many Americans, we defeated Hitler in WW2. When in fact, Russia delivered the biggest blow to Hitlers desire of conquest.

When Hitler planned his Russian invasion, he could not have taken into account, that everyday Russians were now armed to the tooth, which was not the case in WW1, when Germany killed millions of Russian civilians. The Russians losses were staggering!

This caused Hitler to underestimate Russian forces by millions, due to their armed civilians population. The Germans soon discovered the Russian forces outnumbered them 10 to 1, but by then...it was too late.

If gun control had been in place in Russia, I believe Hitler may have succeeded.


Finish it here February 2018 #2
  
John
Last question
If Paul taught a different Gospel than Jesus Christ, and Pauls Gospel voided the Gospel of Jesus Christ, why did the the Lords twelve disciples teach the The Gospel of Christ...and not The Gospel of Paul?


Finish it here February 2018 #2
  
David, Jn 8:34 is prior to the Lord Jesus going to the cross my friend (Mosaic Law)-John

John
If Jesus taught the Law of Moses, the old covent, why did Paul teach the Gospel of Christ, and why does it say we will be judged according to the Lords Gospel in (2 Thessalonians 1:8)? Does (John 1:17) say Jesus
brought us the Law of Moses?

Sinners do not repent (Radical Turning) from sin,however, Christians/saints do repent and have victory over sin.---john9346

John
If an alcoholic claims to have victory over alcohol, yet still drinks alcohol, does he have victory over alcohol?
If a sinner claims victory over sin, and yet he continues to sin, can he claim victory? If they can, how do you define victory?


Finish it here February 2018 #2
  
Next, after one becomes a saint he or she can confess a sin, but it is not the same as a sinner confessing. Do you agree?-John

John
If you sin, you are still a sinner.(John 8:34) Saying I sin, but I am not a sinner, is like saying, I lie, but that does not make me a liar. Besides, those born of God Do Not Sin according to ( 1 John 3:9).

The NT also commands repentance do you agree?
Repentance was not possible under the OT.---john9346 on 3/2/18


Yes, I agree with both statements, but I believe my definition of Repentance May be different from yours.


The New Testament Books
  
BTW, i'm really trying to understand your position..---john

John
Have you ever fed a homeless person? Their stench is so bad, you could never sit down wind of them, and yet they can sit and enjoy the meal you just gave them. How can they still enjoy a meal, in the midst of a stench that makes you wretch? They have simply gotten use to the stench, and dont even know they smell wretched.

Similarly, this is what happens when we dont confess sin. We begin to see ourselves as Good, when God sees the unconfessed sinner as wretched.

Confession of sin is not only for forgiveness, it is also for cleansing, a cleaning which must be done to keep us from becoming wretched before God. (1 John 1:9)


The New Testament Books
  
Sir, are you aware that this isn't a "Prayer.", but a model? ---john9346

John
Yes, I know its a model and not to be repeated verbatim. But why would the model have a daily confession of sin, if it was not needed?

The Lord said, "Give us this day our daily bread." bread in Scripture represents the Word of God not confession of sin.---john9346

I did not say daily Bread was confession of sin,...Did I?
If daily bread is the word of God, as you claim, why did Jesus say this in (Matthew 4:4)?
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Doesnt make much sense, according to your interpretation, does it?


The New Testament Books
  
The subject of Jesus earthly ministry in Matt-Jn is not the subject of His heavenly ministry given to Paul.---michael_e

(2 Thessalonians 1:7-8) And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

Michael
If Paul taught a different Gospel than Christ, why did he say what he did the above passage?


The New Testament Books
  
Since the majority of Matt-John and Jesus entire earthly ministry occurred before his death then no doubt these four books are still in the context of the Old Covenant. ---michael_e

Michael
Similar, but not the quite the same. Jesus did live under the Old Covenant, but Jesus taught about the reward of Eternal Life.

Was this reward offered under the Law of Moses? If not, Jesus was teaching something New. (John 1:17), & (Hebrews 12:24) also confirms this.
Agree?


The New Testament Books
  
Where in Matt 6 do you see the Lord Jesus teaching confession of sin as you understand it?

Notice Jesus tells us to ask for daily bread in the prayer. If your asking for daily bread, and daily bread only lasts one day, is it not fair to assume this prayer should be said everyday? If we are to pray this way everyday, wouldnt confession of sin be done everyday too?

Truth is in Scripture alone not experience my friend...
---john9346


John
Considering bible scripture was not available to the early church, what did they use?



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