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Pass Drivers Test
"pay" brands him a Roman collaborator. "don't pay" brands him a tax evader. He found a third answer... "stone" is cruel, "don't stone" violates Mosaic law. He found a third answer...
---StrongAxe on 2/14/18

I have found this to be the truth about God in most of my life. There are man's ways, and then there are God's ways.

Many times, God's ways are the opposite of man's ways.

For example, money. Man's way is to think it is mine, to hoard money, to keep it for a rainy day, to keep it for retirement. Or use it lavishly on ourselves. God's way is to look to God for our money, to use wisely, to be a cheerful giver, and to store up treasure in heaven, not here on earth.

Gospel For Food
Should you force people to listen to the Gospel or listen to a Pastor for a food.
---Nicole_Lacey on 2/8/18

Is this a comment on organizations like Salvation Army who might require someone to listen to a Gospel message before they provide lunch?

I volunteer at a Drug/Alcohol rehab facility. It is ran entirely by donations and does not require any of the patients to pay.

However, it does require the patients to work a 12 Step program, attend meetings, attend chapel, do a work assignment, attempt to get a outside job, and all the while staying sober. They miss any of this and they are out.

Do you think this is wrong?

Finish Here February 2018
The MAJORITY of humanity is in that situation. Let that sink in.
---StrongAxe on 2/13/18

If I could weigh in...

Heb 11:6 "And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him"

First, we must seek God, we must come to God. A relationship with God not under our control. This coming to God is of humility, we do not come to God in a proud haughty way.

Second, we must believe that God exists, that God is who He says He is, that God is good, and that God is a rewarder of those we seek Him, not a stingy hoarder who keeps things from us.

Remember, the key ingredient is faith.

Finish Here February 2018
Thank you for agreeing with Scripture that teaches Hell is a literal place...
---john9346 on 2/10/18

I have shown you two quotes from Apostolic Fathers that prove they did not believe in Predestination as you Calvinists believe. You disagreed before and said both of these Fathers did.

Please show me two quotes from Apostolic Fathers before Augustine, that prove your point that they believed in Predestination as Calvinists believe.

Finish Here February 2018
Mr. Eaton, explain, can you take something from a non-literal place?
---john9346 on 2/9/18

Please read my posts. I said Hades is not an ETERNAL place. It is a literal place.

Ignatius (Epistle to the Magnesians) "...there is set before us life upon our observance, but death as the result of disobedience, and every one, according to the choice he makes, shall go to his own place, let us flee from death, and make choice of life"

Justin Martyr (Dialogue with Trypho) "But since God in the beginning made the race of angels and men with free-will, they will justly suffer in eternal fire the punishment of whatever sins they have committed"

Finish Here February 2018
BTw, the Doctrine of Election and Predestination is all in the Church Fathers.
---john9346 on 2/7/18

Not prior to Augustine.

Most of the Apostolic Fathers believed that each man is fully responsible before God for his acceptance or rejection of the Gospel. Apostolic Fathers that agreed with this were: Clement, Ignatius, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tatian, Tertullian, and many more.

Augustine altered the path of Christianity. His theories and doctrines have caused the separation of church and science, the separation of secular and sacred, and many of the problems with Western Theology.

I consider many of Augustine's doctrines flawed, especially free-will, predestination and irresistible grace, and original sin.

Finish Here February 2018
So the Lord Jesus Christ himself contradicts you followed by Paul, and John all contradict you my friend...
---john9346 on 2/7/18

There is no contradiction.

Jesus created Hades (John 1:3) and currently upholds Hades (Heb 1:3). Hades is not separated from God and Hades is not an eternal place:

Rev 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them, and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds

Just as death is swallowed up in life, Hades is swallowed up in judgment.

Judgment that is the setting right of things, not your legalistic view carried over from the Middle Ages.

Christ Baptist Church
Mark, question, if God purchased the entire world from sin and death then why are there people in hell right now today?
---john9346 on 2/7/18

Thank you for your definition of Cosmos. As you know, cosmos is used in John 3:16 and Jesus, who created the entire cosmos, surely knew what He was saying. For God so loved the Cosmos. Even our planet was changed by man's sin.

Your question is about punishment. Punishment is a Calvinist subject, not mine. BTW, there is no word hell in the Bible, it is either Gehenna, Sheol, Hades, or Tartarus. None of these words means a place of everlasting torment.

Hell as you know it is a creation of the Calvinist viewpoint.

Christ Baptist Church
I have nothing against you just because you don't agree with me...
---john9346 on 2/7/18

I echo this sentiment, John.

I expect many do not believe as I do. As I have mentioned here before, my theology is Orthodox, but my worship is Charismatic, even Pentecostal.

Orthodox theology tells us that Jesus "became what we are that we might
become what he is". This and the statement by Jesus in John 14:20 of "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you" shows us that it is God's intention that we be included in the life of the Trinity, to be plugged in to their relationship.

This is their desire for the whole world, not a select few.

Christ Baptist Church
None of these verses in context supports Universal Salvation...Jn 3:16-17 the word, "World." and "Whosoever." are not speaking of everybody who will live on earth....
---john9346 on 2/6/18

First off, I cannot post 4-5 posts one right after another. I cannot keep up with your pace.

Second, I am not talking about Universal Salvation. Please read this. I am talking about Universal Redemption. God purchased the entire world from sin and death. But that does not start a relationship. The relationship part is up to us.

Third, the words "World" and 'Whosoever" mean EXACTLY what they mean, regardless of what you say.

Living Christian Lifestyle
So, what evil lurks within your heart to make such an accusation?
---Steveng on 2/3/18

Touchy aren't we? It was partially a joke. But accuse you of what, intellectual tricks? Really? I refer to tricks as in trick-or-treat. Your subjects seem to want to stir up dissension or sensationalism.

For example, look at your most recent blog, Virtual Reality churches, what are our thoughts?

Do you realize most of us bloggers are seniors, over 55? Do you think seniors care anything about VR?

We are not gamers, D & D masters. We could care less about VR.

Yet you ask this question. Why?

Christ Baptist Church
2. Mark also stated that God didn't choose anyone before the foundation of the worl, but again, Paul contradicts him in Eph 1:4-5.
---john9346 on 2/4/18

Let me say this very plain.

God did not choose john9346, me, or Kathr, or any single person. There is not a pre-chosen elect.

The Father, Son, and Spirit predestined THE ENTIRE WORLD to adoption as Sons. Read Eph. 1 again.

He chose us in Jesus, He predestined us through Jesus.

Only reading Eph. 1 this way agrees with the Scriptures I gave to you: John 3:16-17, 2 Pet. 3:9, 1 Cor. 15:22, 1 Tim, 2:4.

Scriptures Of The Early Church
this parable is not teaching that the son chose to become the Father's Son, the son had always been...
---john9346 on 2/1/18

Why do you make this SO complicated?

The Father's plan has always been to redeem the entire world from the blindness and misery caused by sin. John 3:16-17, 2 Pet. 3:9, 1 Cor 15:22, 1 Tim 2:4

I believe that all people are sons and daughters of God. I know most do not agree because of Scriptures like John 1:12. Just look at The Father's heart in the parables of the Lost Sheep, the Lost Coin and the Prodigal Son.

God did not choose anyone before the foundation of the world. God chose EVERYONE before the foundation of the world to be adopted as sons and daughters.

Scriptures Of The Early Church
Scripture teach that Sinners are (Spiritually Dead Persons) if your dead you cant choose...
---john9346 on 1/31/18

I don't think Jesus taught this.

Jesus told us about The Fathers heart in the parable of the Prodigal Son. In the parable, in Luke 15:17, Jesus uses the phrase "and when he came to his senses" and later in Luke 15:32 Jesus uses the sentence "for this brother of yours was dead and has begun to live, and was lost and has been found".

It seemed that Jesus was indicating that the son was able to decide for himself even though he was "dead" and "lost".

Do you also forget Jesus telling us that "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him"?

Living Christian Lifestyle
It isn't supposed to be. Jesus said "my yoke is easy, my burden is light".
---StrongAxe on 1/30/18

My point exactly in another blog and Steveng's response was this blog question.

I actually think Jesus meant something slightly different than we usually think about this verse, and it is in the preceding verse.

Matt 11:29 "Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls"

Rest for our souls. Gentle, humble, peaceful. These are what Jesus is offering for our souls. Jesus is not offering an easy life or easy circumstances.

As my mum used to say "God never promised you an easy life or that life would be fair".

Scriptures Of The Early Church
The entire bible proclaims the "Blessed Doctrine of Predestination."
---john9346 on 1/30/18

But not Predestination in the Calvinist way.

I would say the Bible speaks more of Predestination in the Universalist way. Specifically, Universal Redemption, not Universal Salvation.

We have all been destined for adoption by God. God has put away death and sin once for all. Yet, God is kind and does not force themselves on anyone.

A relationship with God has to be a two-way street. You must want it, they already have proven they do.

Living Christian Lifestyle
Why do today's christians make living a christian lifestyle so complicated?
---Steveng on 1/29/18

First, having a relationship with God and living a life consecrated to God is not a "lifestyle". Life is hard.

Second, Jesus told us that the world would not love us because we are not of the world. We are His sheep. He is the shepherd of our lives. This makes life harder.

Third, I don't know who you talk to, but my brothers and sisters love the Lord and love others. Its that simple. But simple does not equal easy.

Fourth, is this another query from the Steveng bag of intellectual tricks?

Scriptures Of The Early Church
God word is nothing new. It was since the beginning, is, and ever shall be.
---Steveng on 1/28/18

I am starting to wonder about your theology.

Jesus is God's Word. Read the pro-log to John's gospel, which is considered by some to be the most significant passage in the ENTIRE Bible.

Jesus is the Word, and the Word was God and Word is God. Jesus created all things and to as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become Sons of God.

What are you trying to say to me? Are you accusing me of a faith different than what has been passed down to us? Do you even know the ancient faith? Try reading Irenaeus or Athanasius. You will see what the ancient faith is.

Scriptures Of The Early Church
The freedom comes, when that which causes sin, dies in you.
---David on 1/26/18

If I understand your post correctly, this is quite a boast. That you know what causes sin. Wow, please enlighten us.

My understanding is sin is a disease, a blindness, to the truth, Gods truth. The truth that God loves us, wants us, and wants to be involved in our lives. That God has made a way to break thru our darkness and reconnect to God's life and light.

This blindness is caused by the whisper of Evil, and it turns our mind to see God as distant and judging. It turns us to our own Salvation strategies, our own idols, and causes a river of toxic waste in the people around us.

New Covenant With Israel
Hebrew 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel...
---Samuelbb7 on 1/25/18

Can we agree on something?

First, Hebrews 8:8-12 is a quote of Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Second, Jeremiah 31:33 reads this way:

Jer. 31:33 "But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord, I will put Torah within them and on their heart I will write it, and I will be their God, and they shall be My people"

Third, that Torah was the Jewish Bible, yet they knew it as "The Law".

Fourth, that God want His words in our heart, not the commandments. God wants us to know John 3:16, not "thou shall not sin".

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