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We Need A Church
Samuelbb7 wrote: "Also that the Church of today is Israel. Ephesians 2."

The word church today is misused. It doesn't mean a building, a denomination or a country. The word "church" simply means "christians."

Samuelbb7 wrote: "So old Covenant has some truth for us."

Not just "some", but ALL. The difference between the old covenant and the new covenant is the difference between physical (old) and spiritual (new). All throughout the NT speaks of the laws of the OT.

We Need A Church
There are two resurrections.

The first is the second return of Jesus when the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall rise with the dead. This hasn't happened yet.

The second resurrection occurs at the end of the thousand year reign when all the other dead from all of history shall rise and be judged from the book of life - according to their works. Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.

The laws of God were instilled in the hearts of man since the beginning. Most men's hearts have grown hard. There are a few who performs God's true religion without knowing they are from God. God is a just god.

Coming Of Messiah Shofarot
Monk_Brendan wrote: "...when was the last time God commanded YOU to bake bread on a pile of dung?"

You still don't understand. You are taking the story out of context. When taken within context what should a christian learn from the story?

We Need A Church
Cluny wrtoe: "...thousands of contemporary extra-Biblical documents ... please describe one such?"

John 21:25

Put on your thinking cap, cluny. Thousands of people who have witnessed the miracles of Jesus, the educated saw his miracles (Pharisees, teachers, etc), the Romans were meticulous in keeping records of Jesus' trials, the twelve apostles, church leaders (the teachers, other apostles, prophets, etc. Ephesians 4:11). Do you think that the only documents written in the NT were the only documents? If what was written in the NT would there be many more such documents? Even the authors of the letters in the NT said they have written other letters. Why do you mock?

Where Is Elijah And Enoch
Many today (because of they way they are taught) do not understand what is written in the bible, written two thousand years ago. Our understanding of language is completely different than it was in Jesus' time. Most of which was written were more poetic using similes, metaphors, and parables to understand spiritual matters using worldly knowledge.

Jesus said to the thief "Today, you will be with me in paradise." But where was Jesus on that day - and the day after, in fact, for three days? Surely not paradise, unless, of course, you consider the grave as paradise.

We Need A Church
cluny wrote: "NOW you've re-defined "cafe" to mean any gathering spot."

If you read my post very slowly you will have understood why I used "cafe" instead of "gathering place." I am using the language of today to help people understand the language of Jesus' time. You wouldn't use conversational English when visiting another country, would you? People of today even think old English is hard to understand.

Let's Be Polite To Each Other
Monk_Brendan, you are such a hypocrite.

What was in your heart when you posted the following? "And how is that worldly denominational gathering of ONE (you) doing? Still singing that same old song, aren't you?" in the "We Need a Church" blog.

By posting such a reply you are spreading rumors, something you don't know anything about. At one time I challenged anyone, or anyone they knew in my area, to meet me in person to get to know me. You assume way too much and, in fact, sound more like cluny.

We Need A Church
cluny, prove to me that cafes and parks didn't exist.

Besides I was using the word "cafe" colloquially to mean any social gathering place. Social gathering places have been around way before Jesus' time. Didn't Jesus meet on a mountain? How do you know it wasn't a space within the mountain that was considered a "gathering place?"

If your bible is your only source, you may want to open your eyes. Do you believe that the few documents in the bible are the only documents? There are tens of thousands of testimonials, personal journals, and letters written about Jesus - many can be found at three of the largest libraries in Eastern Europe and Egypt. Many also can be found at the Vatican.

We Need A Church
First, the "church" ARE the christians, not a denomination or a building as most so-called christians identify the church as. Satan has had over two thousand years to infiltrate and divide christiandom up into over 65,000 denominations each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the bible. Is Christ divided?

Do what the early christians did - assembled together wherever two or more are gathered - whether in a cafe, a park, or in one's home. Having a small, like-minded christians gather is a whole lot better to grow and mature as a christian. As a small group, you also are accountable to one another.

Where Is Elijah And Enoch
When Jesus returns the dead in Christ shall rise first and the living shall be caught up with the dead. This is the first resurrection.

The second resurrection at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ all the other dead shall rise and be judged from the book of life - according to their works.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.

Are Statues Good Or Bad
There will be two resurrections.

The first is when Jesus returns and the dead in Christ shall rise and the living shall be caught up with the dead. This is at the beginning of the thousand year reign of Christ.

The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year reign of Christ where all the other dead from all of history shall rise and be judged from the book of life - according to their works.

Blessed are those that rise in the first resurrection.

Left's Abortion Platform
Cluny wrote: "As it is written, "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.""

A little demonic twist to "As it is written" to make people believe that it is from the bible?

As for the post: Satan has had over two thousand years to divide christiandom up into over sixty five thousand different denominations each having their own rituals, traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the bible. Just because christians say they are christians it doesn't meant they are. True christians have practically evaporated from the face of this world.

Coming Of Messiah Shofarot
Monk_Brendan wrote: "StevenG, is this verse for you? ...(Ezekiel 4:12)

You have written this out of the mouth of a demon - taking a small phrase - out of context - and turn it against a person of God. Is that a habit of yours?

It is expressly written that "ALL Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Do you believe that or not?

What was the story from which Ezekiel 4:12 was taken? Did you learn anything from the story?

You probably believe that "money is the root of all evil."

Christians In Politics
Jeremiah 29:7 and II Chronicles 7:14 just shows how the prayers of today's christians are not being answered.

Psalms 2:10-11 who in our government serve the Lord?

Proverbs 11:14 where are the true christian advisors?

Job 12:23-25

From the NT:
I Timothy 2:1-2
I Peter 2:17
Romans 13:1

We must be faithful, informed and thoughtful when praying and talking to others about our politics, and as we ask for God's wisdom and righteousness to be evident in our nation's policies and leaders.

Besides, when Christ returns isn't he to create a new government?

Are Statues Good Or Bad
I haven't been on this site for a while, but have been noticing more hatred than ever before using politics, racism, bigotry, terrorism, discrimination, et al, to degrade one another. Oh, such hatred. Shame on you.

So, getting back to my original post:

What do you think about the following verses?

Exodus 20:4-5
Leviticus 26:1
Isaiah 42:8

Do you think that any picture, image or statue of Jesus Christ for the purpose of worship is in violation of the Second Commandment? Do you think pictures, images or statues of Jesus Christ depict how Jesus was described in the bible?

Coming Of Messiah Shofarot
Strongaxe wrote: "God was giving a specific command to Joel, not to us."

ALL scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:.. 2 Timothy 3

Every word God spoke/speaks is toward all people of the earth even though it was spoken to a particular person. You don't think that the Ten Commandments is only for the Jews, do you?

Bill, All throughout the bible God warns everyone about what is about to happen - for instance, God warned the Pharoah, God warned Noah, and God is sending the two witnesses written in Revelation 11 just before Jesus' return.

Coming Of Messiah Shofarot
The breed received the name Jacob sheep based on Genesis Chapter 30.

Realize that many verses in the bible come with two meanings (metaphors, similes, and parables for example) Read Ezekiel 34 and Micah 2.

Remember that the reestablishing the Jewish homeland include Jacob's spotted sheep.

Coming Of Messiah Shofarot
SrongAxe, type "jacob's sheep shofarot" in your favorite browser.

Many English dictionaries show that the shofarot is plural for shofar, but it isn't. Shofars are made from 'sheep' horns and the shofarot is made from the rams of 'Jacob's sheep.'

Cluny, Yes, 'sheep' horns have been blown for many centuries, but 'Jacob's sheep' are certain rams and the shofarot is made from horns of Jacobs sheep (rams).

Saturday Is Day To Worship
What is the meaning of "worship" that was used in the days before Christ ascended?

Did everyone in the bible worship only on a certain day?

As for the Sabbath: God blessed the seventh day and hallowed it, because on it God rested from all his work which he had done in creation. God ordained the seventh day way before the Jews came into existence.

Are we not to worship God everyday and give thanks for everything we do according to the Lord's Prayer?

Didn't the children of Israel observe the Sabbath throughout all generations?

How does one keep the Sabbath holy?

If one would overlay the Gregorian calendar unto the Jewish calendar, one will find that the day is Saturday.

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