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Criminalize Christian Beliefs
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: I never said genicide was okay!

Earlier, I wrote: Deaths of millions by totalitarian atheists, communists, and fascists does not in any way excuse deaths of millions at the hands of Christians.
You replied: Yes it does.

Yes it does EXACTLY means that genocide by totalitarians DOES EXCUSE genocide by Christians. What other possible interpretation are we supposed to draw from Yes it does??


Criminalize Christian Beliefs
  
Obamasboy:

Apologies accepted. I tend to take a logical perspective on things, so I frequently argue points of the form "your argument is invalid", which is not the same as "your conclusion is incorrect". In particular, I frequently argue, "The Bible does not say XYZ" (i.e. so you cannot infer "XYZ is wrong" from the Bible), which is not the same as saying "XYZ is wrong" (or, more to the point, "The Bible does not prohibit XYZ" is not the same as "I approve XYZ".)


Is There Beauty Discrimination
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: But MOST CHRISTIANS voted for Trump (me included) did so for the Supreme Court Nominee over one SINGLE ISSUE: ABORTION

There is a meme going around that questions how Christians could vote on moral grounds for a man who not only does, but actually BOASTS abot lying, cheating on business deals, adultery, and child molestation.

Trump has expressed willingness and even EAGERNESS to use nuclear weapons. He has as much as threatened North Korea with them. If he starts world war 3, how many unborn children, born children, adults, and everyone else will die? The casualties in a nuclear world war would dwarf the casualties from all the abortions in the world combined.


Are There Christians Here
  
Haz27:

If others make a point, I see no need to add "me too". Since you never agree with any of the injustices *I* mention, do you believe those injustices should happen? I don't assume that.

How does 2 Kings 15:16 speak against killing the unborn?

It was standard practice in that era for conquerers to spare virgin girls, but slay all men and boys and married women (since they might be pregnant and bear male children). This is also why adultery (by women) was considered heinous - a man's wife might bear a child that wasn't his, jeopardizing his family's inheritance. A married man who slept with a virgin wasn't adultery - he just had to marry her (Exodus 22:16), as polygamy was allowed.


Anti-Christ Or The False Prophet
  
ObamasBoy:

The Biblical definition of "antichrist" is:
One who denies Jesus is the Christ (1 John 2:22)
One who denies Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7)

The Roman Catholic Church in general, and the Pope in particular, do neither of these things. Do you have a different criterion for determining who or what is antichrist, other than what the Bible uses?


Cross Or An Upright Stake
  
ObamasBoy:

It doesn't, and shouldn't matter to most people.

The Jehovah's Witnesses are iconclasts. They deliberately set out to separate themselves from the main body of Christianity whom they call apostate, and to do this, they feel it necessary to redefine almost every term and convention. They want to have nothing to do with the church or any terms associated with the church. Instead of church, they say kingdom hall. Instead of bishop they say overseer. Instead of cross they say torture stake. Instead of Lord they say Jehovah. Instead of excommunicate they say disfellowship.


Criminalize Christian Beliefs
  
ObamasBoy:

LIES! I have NEVER supported abortion.

Even though no scripture specifically prohibits it, I am not in favor of it. There is a big difference between "I think it's wrong" and "The Bible says it's wrong". Many evangelicals don't know the difference.

There IS one scripture that DOES apply. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor".


Nicole_Lacey:

PLEASE stop putting words into my mouth that I never said and don't believe.

I wrote: Deaths of millions ... does not in any way excuse deaths of millions at the hands of Christians.
You wrote: Yes it does.

Wait. You believe ANYTHING can EXCUSE genocide?!


Is There Beauty Discrimination
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: You seem to DISAGREE with Jesus in Mark 9:23, the Archangel Gabriel in Luke 1:37 and Paul in Phillipians 4:13?

No, I don't disagree with them. Here is what those scriptures say, and what they imply:

Mark 9:23 (also Philippians 4:13):
1) "All things are possible to him that believes."
2) There are many things Christians want that aren't happening (e.g. end of all abortions).
3) Therefore, not a single Christian in the world believes enough, or it would end.

Luke 1:37:
1) "For with God nothing shall be impossible."
2) There is much evil and suffering in the world.
3) Therefore, God must not want evil and suffering to end, or he would end it.


Playing Bingo A Sin
  
ESTERLLA:

Gambling is not TAKING someone's money. The person gives it WILLINGLY. Nothing in the Bible prohibits gambling. The apostles cast lots to see who would replace Judas. Gambling iisn't the sin, just circumstances surrounding it.

We make choices that affect outcomes, sometimes financially. That's part of life. It becomes a problem if one takes unnecessary risks for unrealistic possibilities (e.g. gambling away life savings, etc.).

With Bingo, typically people go to spend a few hours of fellowship, which costs considerably less than a movie. They might win, but it's unlikely, and that's OK. It only becomes a problem if they go there primarily to win, and are devastated if they don't, and may cheat to do so.


Are There Christians Here
  
ObamasBoy:

You wrote: Anyone who supports abortion has absolutely no place to lecture anyone else about morality... Ever.

As I mentioned on another blog, I do NOT support abortion. I never have. I have never said I did.

Anyone who bears false witness has absolutely no place to lecture anyone else about anything... Ever.


Nicole_Lacey:

I mentioned Exodus 21:22-25, but did you even READ that, before you gave a reply that had nothing to do with it?

And yes, many animals DO eat their young, so that point is not valid.


Cross Or An Upright Stake
  
This is an issue Jehovah's Witnesses love to bring up. They keep insisting Jesus did not die on a cross, but on an upright stake. I'm curious why Steveng brings it up. (Both Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists evolved from one common group - the Millerites, but I'm not sure how many common beliefs they share.)

In crucifixion on a stake, both hands are crossed above the head and a single nail is driven through both wrists. Web search images of crucixion on a stake, especially on Jehovah's Witnesses own sites.

This would contradict Thomas's claim in John 20:25 "except I shall see in his hands the print of the NAILS, and put my finger into the print of the NAILS..." where he refers to multiple nails, not one.


Criminalize Christian Beliefs
  
Jerry6593:

Likewise, because some leftists commit atrocities doesn't mean all do.


Haz27:

A LIE! I never EXCUSE genocide. Why do you keep twisting my words?? I just point out that those who commit a sin are not fit to sit in judgment of other who also do so. Remember the "speck in the eye" proverb?

Both of my parents were in camps in Germany, so no, I would NOT have criticized opposition to Naziism. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH!

You are a broken record. "The left is evil. The left is evil. The left is evil." It gets tiresome.

whoever arises as a totalitarian bully... we all should oppose them.

FINALLY something we can agree upon.


Is There Beauty Discrimination
  
Jerry6593:

I'm not judging God. I'm quoting what the Bible ITSELF says - NOBODY can fulfil the law. Who wrote the Bible? Satan, or God?

Any law IMPOSSIBLE for ANYONE to obey is by very definition unrealistic, as there is no real situation where it can be obeyed. How long do you think any business would stay in operation if its inspection criteria rejected 100% of products as unsuitable for sale? Such a business would be unrealistic.

I do not DESPISE God's commandments. STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH. All I say is God's 613 commandments, while perfectly fine, were given to the Jews. The Ten are unnecessary FOR US, because if we obey the Two, we ALREADY avoid murder, theft, adultery, etc.


Criminalize Christian Beliefs
  
Nicole_Lacey:

Deaths of millions by totalitarian atheists, communists, and fascists does not in any way excuse deaths of millions at the hands of Christians. So much for Thou Shalt Not Kill.

Christian Americans negotiated treaties with natives, broke every single one, then forced them to march from their fertile lands across the continent to lands that were totally worthless. So much for Thou Shalt not Steal and Thou Shalt Not Take God's Name In Vain.

We don't have the right to police others, but we DO have the right and duty to police ourselves.


Haz27:

I never said there weren't leftist atrocities, only that Christian hands are not clean, so they are not in a position to self-righteously condemn.


Is There Beauty Discrimination
  
Nicole_Lacey:

What do you mean by 'condemn' if NOT hell?

Most of the messages on these blogs contain one kind of condemnation or other. These are rebuke, as in "you should not be doing this". These are not damnations, as in "may God consign you to eternal torment for what you have done". There is a BIG difference between the two. PLEASE learn to think outside the "everything is entirely black or white" box.


Are There Christians Here
  
john9346:

When Jesus describes the Final Judgment in Matthew 25, he separates righteous from wicked based not on whether they were theologically correct, believed the right doctrine, were members of the right church, or anything else like that. The SOLE criterion was whether they showed compassion to others.

People in both groups did not know why they were being judged so - so the righteous included people ho did NOT believe or know Matthew 25, and the wicked included people who thought they were saved (i.e. believed all the right things), but were not.


The abortion argument relies on "Is killing the unborn murder?". Exodus 21:22-25 suggests it is not.


Criminalize Christian Beliefs
  
Haz27:

*I* am not calling myself a victim, just saying Christians call leftists murderers based on history is the pot calling the kettle black.

That Christians have a moral code makes them MORE subject to scrutiny. You can't fault an amoral heathen for killing someone. But when a Christian does it, HE should know better.


Nicole_Lacey:

Hitler, Stalin, and Mao murdered millions. "Christian" Americans invoking manifest destiny murdered tens of millions of native Americans. Who has more blood on their hands? Christians are supposed to know better.

200 million? Where and when?

In any case, saying "They murdered more millions than we did" won't carry much weight at the Final Judgment.


Is There Beauty Discrimination
  
Nicole_Lacey:

You wrote: If they REFUSE to trust Jesus then it is their choice to go to hell not God's cholice

Nobody mentioned hell. We're not talking about hell, but about discrimination. This is getting VERY far off topic.


Criminalize Christian Beliefs
  
Haz27:

Show me ONE message you have posted on these blogs where you have not used ad-hominem attacks, and pejorative terms like "Atheist", "Lefty", "Totalitarian", etc.

So what that Rome was an occupying force? That didn't stop them from holding their ground. Christians in that day refused to obey Rome's demand that they burn incense to Caesar, and as a result, they were eaten by lions.

We have no BIBLICAL MANDATE to ram our views down everybody else's throat.

You blame the Left for the murder of millions, yet ignore Christianity and "Christian"-based regimes through the past 2 millenia's murder of tens of millions. Mote. Beam. Eye. Pot. Kettle. Black.


Criminalize Christian Beliefs
  
Haz27:

Please show ONE NT verse exhorting Christians to oppose evil actions of their governments. I am not speaking about talking points from the Left. I am speaking about actual scripture.

Speaking of "oppressive PC tyrrany" and "forcing their beliefs on others", the west has been dominated by "oppressive Christian tyrrany" for the past 1700 years, with anyone who had opposing views being suppressed, persecuted, or executed, and other peoples being conquered, converteded by force, and even enslaved. Opposing views have only really been tolerated for the past 50 years or so.

Obamasboy:

Several Republican Christian politicians believe LGBTQ people should be killed.



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