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Absent From Our Body
  
//David 8318, YOU POSTED 1 Peter 3:18, trying to use that verse to say Jesus was not bodily resurrected, but was made alive in the spirit//- kathr4453

I know I posted 1Pe.3:18 because that's what Peter wrote about Christ "being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit". (RSV)

Anyone can look back at Strongax 8/30/19 post and see how he changes Peter's words to 'in spirit'.

The verse at 1Pe.3:18 (RSV) clearly states Christ was raised "in the spirit". Raised 'in spirit' is false.

"Flesh & blood cannot inherit the kingdom"- 1Cor.15:50. Jesus did not return to heaven with his flesh. That's what scripture states at 1Pe.3:18 & 1 Cor.15:50.


Absent From Our Body
  
//scripture does say HE IS ALMIGHTY GOD [Is.9:6]// Kathr4453

That's a completely false statement. Is.9:6 says the prophecy is about a "child", and a "son". Also "Prince". These are hardly terms used for Almighty God. Is.9:6 says the Messiah will be a "Mighty God". Not Almighty God.

Wonderful counsellor: Jesus teachings are & will be superlative- Jo.16:12,13.

Mighty God: Jesus will execute judgment on this system under Jehovah's direction- Rev.19:11.

Everlasting father: Jesus is the "last Adam"- 1Cor.15:45.

Prince of Peace: At Armageddon Jesus (God's Son & Prince) will end warfare & those who countenance war- Rev.19:15,18.


Absent From Our Body
  
//"my view" of it is something you pulled entirely out of your imagination//- strongax.

No. Strongax view of 1Pe.3:18 was expressed in his post of 8/30/19. I can't imagine what possessed strongax to have that view other than his unwillingness to read what Peter said. Jesus was made alive "in the spirit" (1Pe.3:18). Which is totally different to strongax erroneous view of "in spirit".

So how does strongax know what was going through Thomas' mind? That straw-man argument can work both ways. How does strongax know Thomas didn't have both Jesus & Jehovah in mind. The pagan trinity concept was alien to the Jews. Jesus had already said "the Father is greater than I am". (Jo.14:28)


Absent From Our Body
  
Heb 1... as he [Jesus] hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they [ie.Michael]. 5 [verse omitted by kathr] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? [only to one angel can God ask this- his SON, Jesus] And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten [only begotten son (Jo.1:14)]... 7 And of the angels [not the AA] he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8 But unto the Son [the AA] he saith, ["God is Thy Throne"- Westcott & Hort. God is the source of Jesus kingship] for ever and ever...


Absent From Our Body
  
Heb 1: 1 God, ......spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son whom he hath appointed heir of all things, [would not need to appoint if he is already "God"] by whom also he made the worlds [God made the world by another God?]3 Who being the brightness of his glory [God's glory, not his], the express image of his person [Jesus is the image of God], and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high [Jesus is at God's right hand. Trinitarians believe there two "God's" sitting next to eachother]:


Absent From Our Body
  
Richard C

Yes great verses Richard that dis-prove the trinity.

None of them speak of "God the holy spirit" and none mention "trinity" or Jesus is the "eternal God" or "God incarnate".

Thanks Richard C.


Absent From Our Body
  
//Thomas addressed him as "My Lord and my God!"//- strongax.

Realising his view of 1Pet.3:18 has completely fallen apart, strongax quickly moves on to another trinitarian mis-interpretation at Jo.20:28. A favourite tactic of a cornered trinitarian.

If Thomas had said "my Lord and God", there would be a basis for thinking Thomas thought Jesus was God. But Thomas didn't say or think that. Thomas said:

"ho kyrios mou kai ho theos mou"

"the Lord of me and the God of me"

Simple... Thomas had both Jesus and Jehovah in mind. Jesus [his Lord] had been resurrected by Jehovah [YHWH, his God]. Having all doubt removed Thomas could say, "my Lord and my God".


Absent From Our Body
  
//None of your account is in scripture//- kathr44666

Yes it is. Just that Satan blinds the minds of you unbelievers- 2Cor.4:4. The resurrected Jesus was seen. People have seen and touched angels. (Gen.19:15,16). But no man has seen God- John 1:18. Therefore, the resurrected Jesus could not have been God.

//if Jesus didn't rise from the dead we would all still be in our sin//- kathr44666

Which is kathr44666 problem. Kathr believes Jesus is "fully God", the "eternal God" who cannot die. Kathr44666 doesn't believe Jesus is "God's son" (Jo.10:36) who became "manifest in the flesh" as a "man" to "mediate the new covenant between God and mankind". (Jo.1:14, 1Tim.2:5)


Absent From Our Body
  
a cruel practice only seen in seriously dangerous cults... kathr44666.

And the trinitarian kathr44666 is an expert in "seriously dangerous cults".

You only have to look at the 2 World Wars fought in the 20th Century to realise who are the evil cultists here.

Where did both World Wars start? Of course, in lands dominated by the false trinity doctrine. Hitler was a confirmed trinitarian supported by Franz von Papen, a Papal Knight blessed by the leader of the hideous Catholic cult, the Pope himself.

So if you want to see what these evil cultist trinitarians brought to most of the Western World, pick up any history book and see what death and destruction trinitarianism can do on an industrial scale for mankind.


Absent From Our Body
  
//If Jesus was made lower than the angels WHILE STILL BEING MICHAEL//- strongax.

I knew strongax was inept, but not to the extent he has show here. Anyone reading these posts will see in my last post that Jesus was neither "God" nor "angel" when on Earth.

Jesus was "made lower than the angels" (Heb.2:7,9). Jesus was neither Michael, neither was he "God" when on Earth.

Jesus was a human being. And when he died, he was completely dead. Not half dead and half alive as the trinitarian strongax will have you believe.

Jesus was fully, 100pc dead to prove his complete faith in his Father, Jehovah God's power over death. Thus providing us a guarantee of the resurrection- Acts.17:31.


Absent From Our Body
  
//If Jesus was made lower than the angels WHILE STILL BEING MICHAEL//- strongax.

Anyone reading these posts will see in my last post that Jesus was neither "God" nor "angel" when on Earth.

Jesus was "made lower than the angels" (Heb.2:7,9). Jesus was neither Michael, neither was he "God" when on Earth.

Jesus was a human being. And when he died, he was completely dead. Not half dead and half alive as the trinitarian strongax will have you believe.

Jesus was fully, 100pc dead to prove his complete faith in his Father, Jehovah God's power over death. Thus providing us a guarantee of the resurrection- Acts.17:31.


Absent From Our Body
  
//He said in spirit NOT as a spirit//- Strongax.

No Stronax is far from precise. Strongax has misquoted Peter's words. Peter said 'in the spirit' as opposed to 'in the flesh'- 1Pe.3:18 (RSV). Not "in spirit" as Strongax wrongly concludes. [Put your glasses on Strongax]

If Strongax dis-believes Peter when he says Jesus was raised 'in the spirit', then it must be true that Strongax disbelieves Peter when he says Jesus was put to death 'in the flesh'. Peter's statement must be accepted in it's entirety. Peter is obviously comparing Jesus' death 'in the flesh' with his resurrection 'in the spirit'.

Peter is not saying Jesus was resurrected 'in spirit' as Strongax wrongly concludes.


Absent From Our Body
  
//Jehovahs Witnesses believe that Jesus was resurrected spiritually from the dead, but not physically//- kathr44666.

Yes JW's do, and so does Apostle Peter: "For Christ... being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit"- 1Pe.3:18. (RSV)

Jesus was neither God nor angel when on earth but a human being. He was "made "lower than the angels" (Jo.1:14, Heb.2:7,9). Thus, Jesus was able to die completely.

But in Kathr44666 bizaare world "God the flesh" died while "God the Spirit" was still alive in heaven! "God the flesh" was resurrected in the flesh, returned to heaven to meet up with "God the Spirit"!!

I know... it's beyond ridiculous.


Absent From Our Body
  
//Paul... teaches absent from the body// - kathr44666

Please find one scripture where Paul speaks of being "absent from the body".

Nowhere does Paul speak of being "absent from the body".

Simple truth from Ezekiel 18:4, "the soul that sinneth, it shall die". (KJV)

Also Romans 5:12, "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned" (NIV)

Where do any of these verses say a "soul" is "absent" from the body? NONE!

Kathr666 says we have an immortal soul, therefore we don't need Christ's death. This is the anti-Christ teaching!


Absent From Our Body
  
//So do,they believe in Hebrews 12:24// - kathr44666.

Yes JW's do, but obviously kathr44666 doesn't.

Heb.12:24, "Jesus the mediator of a new covenant" (NIV).

How does Jesus mediate the new covenant and for what reason?

Hebrews 9:15, "For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant... now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant" (NIV).

Christ is mediator on the basis of his death, to set us free from sin and death.

But kathr666 doesn't believe Jesus died because she believes Jesus is "AlmightyGod" who cannot died. And how can Jesus be 'God' and 'mediator' at the same time!? Think about it!!


Absent From Our Body
  
//if you died today, what happens to your SOUL?//- kathr446665

Kathr44666 previously quoted 1Cor.15:45, "The first man Adam was made a living soul".

So what does kathr44666 believe happened to Adam when he died? Is Adam "absent from his body"?

Where did Adam go when he died? Answer:

Genesis 3:19, "for dust you are and to dust you will return". (NIV)

Romans 5:12 confirms that Adam's decendants have the same fate: "sin entered the world through one man [Adam]... death came to all people, because all sinned". (NIV)

God and JW's teach: "the soul that sinneth, it shall die". (Eze.18:4)

Satan and kathr666: "you will not die". (Gen.3:4)


Absent From Our Body
  
//absent from the body//- kathr44666

Kathr44666 must be absent from the mind!

Kathr666 doesn't believe the Bible when it says "the soul that sinneth, it shall die"- Ezek.18:4 (KJV)

Kathr666 doesn't believe God when he told Adam, "for dust you are and to dust you will return". Instead, kathr44666 comes up with a crazy mad belief that Adam is somehow "absent from the body". Where on earth does kathr666 get this rubbish from?

Why is it "antichrist" for JW's to disbelieve a mad, crazed kathr666 who believes in being "absent from the body". I'm sure kathr666 has been sucking the angel dust again and having hallucinatory 'out of body' experiences.


Absent From Our Body
  
//The first man Adam was made a living soul- 1Cor.15:45// Kathr45666

Laughably, kathr quotes 1Cor.15:45 but doesn't believe what it says. Adam was "made a living soul". Adam didn't have a soul, Adam was a soul. The soul isn't something detachable or an invisible force that survives the body as kathr spouts.

Kathr666 promotes the satanic "non-death" dogma Satan started in Eden when he told Eve, "you will not die"- Gen.3:4. Kathr666 is a mouthpiece for this satanic anti-Christ "non-death" dogma.

Kathr666 satanic, pagan, immortal soul dogma coupled with her trinitarian 'Jesus is the eternal God who cannot die' heresey make a complete mockery of the saving power of Christ's death.


Salvation By Our Works
  
//LUKE 16:20-26// - kathr45666

Kathr continues to promote satanic "non-death", immortal soul dogma. Satan first concocted the immortal soul dogma when he lyingly told Eve "you will not die"- Ge.3:4.

Kathr666 continues spreading Satan's lies by mis-interpreting Jesus at Luke 16:20-26. But Jesus believed what was taught at Ezekiel 18:4, "the soul that sinneth, it will die".

At Luke 16:20-26 Jesus is using hyperbole. The story of the Rich man & Lazarus is a parable designed to teach a change of position for who the Rich man represented, and who Lazarus represented. Not the immortal soul dogma!

Kathr666 seeks to twist Jesus' words to promote satanic "non-death" dogma.



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