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Has The Law Changed
  
God is not the author of confusion.

If you believe one part of the Bible contradicts another part, then it is your own interpretation that must be in error. If you believe the teachings of Paul contradicts the teachings of Jesus, there is a problem. Either the Bible contains a bunch of conflicting and confusing scriptures, OR your interpretation of the scriptures is not correct.

I find no conflict between the teachings of Paul and that of Jesus.

Would God give us a Bible full of contradition and confusion?


Has The Law Changed
  
I believe the Bible to be the inspired Word of God. The scriptures cannot contradict themselves.

Therefore, those who believe the teachings of Paul contradict the teachings of Jesus must believe the Bible is NOT the inspired Word of God. How could it be if Paul's teachings contradict Jesus? Therefore, how can you rely on ANY of the scriptures if they are in error?

You either believe the scriptures OR you don't be the scriptures.


Has The Law Changed
  
---francis on 8/21/13

Abram kept NOTHING for himself, and the tenth he gave wasn't even codified in the later law. God didn't want a tenth of the spoils as shown in Numbers 31.

Are you trying to say you believe you are following Abram's example of tithing? A ONE-TIME example, NOT from Abram's regular income (or "increase")? Furthermore, I thought the SDA say you are to follow God's laws, NOT something Abram did.

Which is it? Follow God's perfect laws, OR follow what Abram did? Make up your mind.


Has The Law Changed
  
Deuteronomy 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the INCREASE of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
---francis on 8/21/13

Does that say YOUR increase? Does it say money? Does it say or infer your income? NO. It plainly says increase OF THY SEED, THAT THE FIELD BRINGETH FORTH YEAR BY YEAR.

Very simple. OF THY SEED. Use a Hebrew dictionary to get the true meaning.


Has The Law Changed
  
1: 10% of your increase to the Lefites for the service of the sanctuary
2: 10% set aside for travel, lodging, and food while in jerusalem at the feast
---francis on 8/21/13

Would help if you actually quoted the commands rather than put them in wrong words.

The tithe was NOT 10% of YOUR increase. It was a tenth of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree. NOT money. NOT a tenth of one's income. It was GOD'S INCREASE from GOD'S HAND, not from man's labor.

The festival tithe was a tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year. NOT money. NOT from anyone's income.

See, you have CHANGED GOD'S "PERFECT LAW" to what YOU want it to say.


Has The Law Changed
  
I have yet to find any "law keeper" who keeps God's THREE tithing laws. Instead, so-called "law keepers" CHANGE God's tithing laws from a tenth of crops and animals to a tenth of one's so-called "increase" or income. That is NOT God's law. That is a man-made doctrine.

The history of tithing in the SDA Church is clear. It shows how the SDA leaders made it up.


Has The Law Changed
  
You didn't finish the verse.

Matthew 5:18 (KJV)
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Notice: TILL ALL BE FULFILLED. Jesus did fulfill all of it.


Do We Need To Tithe
  
Deuteronomy 14:27 (KJV)
27And the Levite that is within thy gates, thou shalt not forsake him, for he hath no part nor inheritance with thee.

Deuteronomy 14:29 (KJV)
29And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,)...

Here you go francis talking about what the Bible says, yet where does the Bible say to tithe money or from income or to take it to a church?


Do We Need To Tithe
  
The Levites received the tithe, not because they were to be full-time Temple workers, but because they could not own land.

The extra-biblical writings are full of stories of rabbis, Levites and even high priests working other jobs for a living. The rabbis who ran the synagogues did it for free and came from all tribes.

Levites were also the money-changers. They sold tithed animals back to worshippers to be used for sacrifices.

This is not hidden information. All reputable church historians know it.


Do We Need To Tithe
  
Lets not forget that levites also worked in the cities and town
---francis on 10/26/12

Right - the Levites actually had regular jobs the rest of the time.

As far as one years salary for two weeks total work at the Temple - the tithe was their INHERITANCE. Not just for working at the Temple.


Do We Need To Tithe
  
So anyone who is FULLTME in ministry, it does not have to be a priest or pastor
---francis on 10/25/12

The Levites did not work fulltime in ministry. They worked ONE WEEK out of every 24 weeks at the Temple ON A ROTATION system.

The priests also worked ONE WEEK out of every 24 weeks at the Temple.

See First Chronicles 24 for the priests and chapters 25 and 26 for the Levites.


Do We Need To Tithe
  
So a legitimate tithe would have to be sent to Israel
---michael_e on 10/22/12

Not exactly, Michael. The tithe would have to COME FROM Israel, not go to Israel. It had to COME FROM the land of Israel, or animals raised on the land of Israel. Can't COME FROM the United States, etc.


Do We Need To Tithe
  
The Lord ordained it.
---francis on 10/22/12

Exactly WHAT did the Lord ordain, Francis? A tithe FROM THE LAND OF ISRAEL. Not money. Not from income. Not from land in the US or anywhere other than Israel.

Exactly WHERE did the Lord command His tithe to be taken? To a church? NO. TO THE LEVITES.


Tithing Is Old Testament Law
  
Has GOD not replaced the Levites of old with some others today? Are we all crop farmers today?
---Adetunji on 8/4/12

Were everyone crop farmers under the OT? Jesus was a carpenter. Carpenters did NOT tithe from their income.

Why would God have replaced the Levites? They served at the Temple. Now OUR BODIES are the Temple. Of course God did not replace the Levites.


Tithing Is Old Testament Law
  
There is ONE example given of Abram giving a tenth, and that tenth came from war spoils. There is NO example of Abram/Abraham giving a tenth from his regular income or wealth. According to Biblical historians, during the days of Abraham is was custom or law of the land to give a tenth of war spoils.

God did not ask for a tenth of war spoils under the Mosaic law, but rather 1.1% as shown in Numbers 31.


Tithing Is Old Testament Law
  
Adetunji, You totally miss what the tithe was all about. It had nothing to do with how one earned their living. God defined His tithe as a tenth from HIS increase of crops and animals. NOTHING ELSE. There is no example in the scriptures of anything else being tithe except before the law Abram tithed from war spoils, but NOT from his income. Abraham didn't tithe from how he made a living. Read the scriptures. Either the scriptures are lies, OR you have been taught lies.

Today, EVERYONE gets their food from the crops and animals, same as in the OT.


Tithing Is Old Testament Law
  
If God has not changed it, do not use human ideas/knowledge to change it.
---Adetunji on 7/24/12

God commanded a tithe from HIS increase of crops and animals in Leviticus 27:30-33 and HE commanded the tithe be taken to the Levites.

Now, God has not changed it. So why don't you follow it?


Tithing Is Old Testament Law
  
The Lord Jesus Christ in Matt.23:23 explained that matters relating to justice, mercy & faith are weightier than paying tithes. HE did not teach cancellation of paying tithes.
---Adetunji on 7/23/12

Jesus was born, lived, and died during the period of the OT law. In Matt. 23:23 Jesus was speaking to those still under the OT law.


Tithing Is Old Testament Law
  
Matthew 22:20-21 (KJV)
20And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21They say unto him, Caesars. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesars, and unto God the things that are Gods.

Now tell me, whose image is on the money we use today? Is it God's, or is it the image of presidents, etc?

Use the money to pay your taxes. Show me where God ever asked for your money?



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