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Dormition Of Mary
kathr4453* Has it ever occurred to you that not all believe as YOU do?

Has it even occurred to you that you could be wrong? Do you claim to be infallible in scripture, Y or N?

kathr4453* Many of us believe Mary is no different than all the Saints both big and small, aka CHRISTIANS who have passed , are asleep IN THE LORD.

Let's see,

An angel appear to her and told her will conceived a child who will rule the nation.

She is the Mother of God.

Everyone will call her blessed, which BTW is spiritual.

Has that happen to you or anyone you know off?

kathr4453* Mary was NOT bodily resurrected . It's HERESY!

Rev 12: Woman clothed with the Sun...Who is her child taken up to the throne?

Dormition Of Mary
Kathr-THE MOTHER OF GOD, please show your scripture, or accept many don't believe what is not in scripture.
---kathr4453 on 8/20/19

In Both Isaiah and Gospel of Matthew reads Isaiah 7:14, Matt. 1:23 a virgin will bear a Son named Emmanuel, which means (God is with us.)

John 1:14 God in flesh dwelt among us.

What was the name of the virgin who bear a Son, whose name is Emmanuel ( God in flesh among us):)

kathr4453* The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD.

" And Peter said to Jesus, " Lord. it is well that we are here." MT 17: 4

Pls explain the difference between Elizabeth mother of my Lord and Peter and Martha Lord?

Do you call Mary blessed, btw?

Dormition Of Mary
kathr4453* Ruben,Jesus is fully God and fully man. So just because I don't say Mary is the Mother of God,

If Jesus is fully God and fully man, then pls explain why you won't call Mary the Mother of God?

Kathr_So I'll have to disagree with you on that one. Paul preached The Gospel and Scripture clearly says the Bereans searched the scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was true. The NT fulfills the promises of the Old....

They did not have the NT to look at, only the OT.

Kathr- Do Catholics actually read the Bible...? Or do they just make stuff up?

How do you think the Bible come about? Do you think it fell from the sky, who put the books together?

Dormition Of Mary
kathr4453 *Yes Ruben, false teachers

Paul says to Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by WORD of mouth or letter."

We are discussing scripture alone not how much faith they had. It is not by scripture alone..Nice try I think:)

kathr4453* The Mother of My Lord is not the same as MOTHER OF GOD.

" And Peter said to Jesus, " Lord. it is well that we are here." MT 17: 4

" Martha said to Jesus, Lord, if you had been here my brother would not have died." JHN 17: 21

" What have you to do with us,
O Son of God." Mt 8: 29

Here the demon knew Jesus was God, but you refuse to call him God in his humanity, very interesting!

Dormition Of Mary
kathr4453* Philip showed this was Jesus. PERFECT.

That is my point.The Eunuch said to Philip " About whom, does the prophet say this, about himself or some one else? v8:34-going by the bible alone did him no good.

kathr Paul never taught ever said Mary was the MOTHER OF GOD.

He didn't but Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit SHOUTED with a loud cry, Why is the granted to me, that the MOTHER OF MY LORD should come to me? Lk 1:43

Kathr I just read both 1st and 2nd Thesselonians.

Go back and reread 2 Thess 2: 15 slowly - ' Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by WORD of mouth or letter."

Dormition Of Mary
kathr4453 * Rube, Acts 17:11

Let's see,

Acts 17:11 " Now Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scripture daily to see if what Paul said was true."

The Ot does not identify Jesus as the Messiah, it was no way that the Berea using the OT ONLY to have proven from scripture that Jesus was the Messiah. The Bereans were noble because they accepted Paul oral teaching and now they can examined and looked at Isaiah 53 and the connecting his teaching and the passage of the suffering servant. The Thessalonians on the other hand were like you and reject Paul's teaching and went on their own interpretation of scripture!

Dormition Of Mary
kathr4453* Ruben, by your way of rationalization, I can say Martians ARE eating breakfast right now at Waffle House, because the Bible never said they couldn't .

But the Bible does have the three gospels I mention, again I ask who wrote those gospels?

kathr4453* So,tired of that line of reasoning. . I know you do not believe scripture is the Authority of God.

And I am so tired of people misquoting what I wrote. Again where in scripture does it say the Bible is sole Authority? If you believe this pls give me chapter and verse?

kathr4453*GOD does not have a Mother. Jesus YES who is God incarnate has an earthly mother who gave birth to His humanity.

So in his humanity, he was not God?

Dormition Of Mary
Do you believe Mary is the Mother of God?

Show me in scripture where it shows Matthew, Mark and John are the authors of the gospels.

Where in scripture does it say all you need is the bible?

Where does Jesus tell the apostles to write everything down?

Feast of the Transfiguration
As I sat in Mass, I reflect on the words God the Father told the Apostles " This is my beloved Son listen to him"

A reminder that at times I do forget to listen to him, remembering the scripture verse of 1 Jhn 3: 2-3 " What we do know is this: when he is reveled, we will be like him, for we will him as he is. And all who have this hope in him purity themselves, just as he is pure."

Transfigure us O Lord- A Men!

Loved Ones Are In Hell

If this is what God is going to do in Christ, then hell cannot be permanent. You can't have a permanent hell and the reconciliation of all things to God at the same time. It is logically impossible.
---JS1234 on 7/23/19<

What do you do with the scripture verse that say it is ever-lasting?

Loved Ones Are In Hell
Also, the Greek word for Eternal is Aionios - which means "until the end of the eon" or "end of the age", not "forever" as we think in English. I'm sure Cluny would be better able to explain the nuances.
---StrongAxe on 7/20/19

So does it mean Heaven also is not forever, it is also use for Heaven.

Finish It Here June 2019
john934* Listen to him:

"" For even creation revels Him who formed it... The Universal Church, moreover, through the whole world, has received this tradition from the Apostles...SINCERELY Irenaeus

" But continue thou' as St Paul says ' in those things which tho has learned..hold fast the faith ...establishing the tradition of the church as a foundation.. yours truly Cyril

Finish It Here June 2019
john9346* reuben:

Irenaeus could write this because those who would reject are rejecting the tradition that for Irenaeus was Scripture.

Irenaeus believed in baptismal regeneration infant baptism the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist the Mass as a sacrifice.


What did Cyril tell you to do about his teachings?

john934* Listen to him:

"" Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures...

We give thanks to God, the Saviour of the world, rejoicing with one another that our Churches , both ours and yours, hold a faith in accordance with the divinely inspired Scriptures and with the tradition of our holy Fathers.

Finish It Here June 2019

Church Father Irenaeus said, ""We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith."
---john9346 on 6/29/19

He continue on the next chapter

But, again, when we refer them to that tradition which originates from the apostles, and which is preserved by the means of the successions of presbyters in the churches, they object to tradition, saying that they themselves are wiser not merely than presbyters, but even than the apostles...

Finish It Here June 2019
Church Father Cyril of Jerusalem said, "" Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures."
---john9346 on 6/29/19

Really John- If you are claiming that he taught Sola Scriptura then you have a huge problem, his Catechetical Lectures are filled with teaching on the Mass as a sacrifice, prayers for the dead,the Real presence 0f Christ in the Eucharist and a whole array of specifically Catholic doctrines which YOU claim Scriptures does not contain!

Baptism In The Epistles
Inasmuch as Jesus was God, he had no mother, because he WAS before she was even born, even before her ancestor Abraham, i.e. "Before Abraham was, I AM". Mothers are ALWAYS born before their children.
---StrongAxe on 6/2/19

Then please explain to me when scripture says Mary the mother of Jesus. While at it pls tell me why Jesus would have brothers( which you claim he does) if he had no Mother?

Are You Truly Saved
john9346* In the verses pertaining parables you raised you must show that they are prescriptive in order to refute The Sinner's Ability to choose or reject The Almighty God??

Jesus did! "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you, because they believed in John and repented while the Pharisees did not! The same which all of the Parables!

No John you MUST prove that they did not have the ability to choose.

john9346*On a Previous Posting you agreed that the Prodigal son is descriptive are now contradicting yourself??

My bad, sometimes you have to remember who are you dealing with, still waiting for your fallible man-made interpretation of the podigal Son:)

Are You Truly Saved
The tax collectors and prostitutes on the parable of the two son in Matt 21:31"Jesus said to them, "Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you, because they believed in John and repented while the Pharisees did not!

A parable has a meaning as Jesus explained to his Apostles about the story of the the sower in Mk 4:10-12 and the Pharisees know he was talking about them in the parable of the wicked tenants.Remember you believe in sola scriptura but when it hits where it counts, you need to come up with a word like it is a //"Prescriptive." but "Descriptive."/// So tell me in your own words about the Prodigal son.

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