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Explain Daniel 3:57-88
john9346* First, all of the books are prophetic and Messianic in center.

Why, because you say so or scripture tells us?

john9346* Some of the books you mention deal with God's Words of Judgment and restoration to Israel being fulfilled.

So are you agreeing that not all are prophetic?

john9346* It would be substantive and beneficial to readers if you could present 1 book at a time to really discuss instead of a thousands things at one...

I did, I ask //Please show me that Ecclesiastes is prophetic???

Explain Daniel 3:57-88
John 9346 * First, its not what I claim you heard what the author of Maccabees said to you did you not??

//You see, a book had to meet a Prophetic standard, a Wide Concensus among believers (Jews), and be Messianic Centered and focus//

How are Nehemiah, Ruth, 1 and 2 Chronicles, or Esther termed prophetic? Please give me an indication that Ecclesiastes is prophetic?

Second Yes, I read Maccabees, do you know what he meant?

Third Nehemiah was not a prophet.

Explain Daniel 3:57-88
Next, . The books of the apocrypha were written during (the-400-years of Silence) between the Book of Malachi and the Birth of Christ The writer of Maccabees tells us about this time. See, 1 Maccabees 4:46, 9:27, and 14:41.
---john9346 on 4/19/18

1 Maccabees 9:27: "There has not been such great distress in Israel since the time prophets ceased to appear among the people."

The so-call (400-years of silence) is because you claim there were no prophets during those times, therefore the Apocrypha is not inspire. That should also eliminate 1 & 2 Kings, 1 & 2 Chronicles, Ecclesisastes, Ezra, Nehemiah, Job, Esther, etc., nowhere claim to be written by a prophet.

Who Will Be Saved
Because if there are those present who are not of the Elect they certainly need to know why they're not and if you are the Elect your encouraged to continue...
---john9346 on 4/23/18

How does either one know who is the elect and who is not?

And if you are the elect this is not encouraging words,

"but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. " Mt 6:13-15

tells them "Shun immorality. " Future tense!"

Because Paul was reminding them of what they were this has nothing to do with them losing their salvation...
---john9346 on 4/23/18

Definition of shun

: TO AVOID deliberately,

Who Will Be Saved
john9346 * You reference Matt 6:14-15, but these are warning verses because all there weren't chosen and only the chosen forgive not the unchosen...

But Jesus told the Chosen ones, " IF YOU DO NOT FORGIVE men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. v 14 Remember the Apostles ask teach us how to pray!

John 9346* There are a lot of warning passages in Scripture because not that were listening were chosen.

Who were the warning scripture verses for?

If you are not chosen why the warning? And if you are chosen why would you need to be warn?

Who Will Be Saved

John 9346*And did you read vs64-65 before 66 my friend??

And how does the Father grant that you go to Jesus?

v40 " that everyone who sees the Son and believes in him may have eternal life"

Did Jesus disciples believe in him?

" This is hard who can understand..and many return to their former life" v 60-66

2. You cited 1 Cor 6:9-10, but you didn't continue reading vs 11 they were that pass-tense not future-tense...

Why mention something in the past? v 18 tells them "Shun immorality. " Future tense!

Who Will Be Saved
So explain if he accomplish what he said in Matt 1:21 and in Lk 19:10 then wy are there people in Hell.

---john9346 on 4/14/18

Several reasons:

1. After this many of his(Jesus) disciples drew back and no longer went about with him.Jhn 6:66

2. Do not be deceived, neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 6:8-11

3. if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Mat 6:15

Plus many many more..

Who Will Be Saved
Reuben, can we agree you wouldn't walk up to a dead man and ask him if he wants pizza for dinner correct?
---john9346 on 4/5/18

Correct, IF he is no longer walking on earth and is physically dead. But if he is still on earth and is spiritually dead , why can I not ask him/her if they want pizza?

Who Will Be Saved
Sinners can not choose they are Spiritually Dead according to Scripture...
---john9346 on 4/4/18

Sinners can not choose what?

Christ Baptist Church
John9346 * reuben:

"The question is was he still saved?"

John said yes:

So is " was dead" also mean you were still saved please explain?

I ask 'If someone is lost would you say he is saved?"

(no,) was your answer.

LK 15:24 'For this my son was dead, and is alive again, he was lost"

Correct me if I wrong my son was dead(Saved) to you was lost (unsaved)to you..Really!

john9346* "When you turn your back from the Father he dies, spiritually. He is no longer saved."

Reuben, the text doesn't state this my friend.

It states he left home, if walking away is the better term for you ok. It states was dead, and lost and then alive again..

Christ Baptist Church
John9346*You still have yet to show how this parable disproves, "The Doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints."

Perseverance of the Saints:
You cannot lose your salvation.

Yes I have the prodigal son parable.

"For this son of mine was DEAD and is ALIVE AGAIN, he was lost and is found." LK 15:24

john 9346* Reuben, Jesus saves to saves he doesn't save people to lose them...

"no one will snatch them out of my hand."

Jesus saves, but he will allow you to leave,

"The younger one said to his father, Father, give me my share of the estate." LK 15:12

I believe the son left right?

Christ Baptist Church
John9346 *

Yes, but the son never stopped being the Father's Son. Luke doesn't tell us of any adoption,therefore, the son was always the Father's Son.

But the point is not if he is still his son, that is obvious
The question is was he still saved? It was his son alright but a dead son!

When you turn your back from the Father he dies, spiritually. He is no longer saved. The Father did not say his son is still alive but instead said he was dead and lost.

If someone is lost would you say he is saved?

When he repents of his sins, when he comes back to the Father to seek His mercy, he is alive AGAIN. Y or N

Christ Baptist Church

Next, the question here is did at anytime did the son stop being the Father's Child??

The answer is no, in this parable you have alive, dead, and alive again, not dead to being alive.

Still waiting for you to show how this disproves the "Perseverance of the Saints."
---john9346 on 2/1/18


Does not dead mean being cut-off from the Father?

Or are you saying you can squanders his inheritance on sinful living and still be in Gods grace?

Does not the story describes his son as having been dead, but upon repenting and returning to the father, the son is said to be alive AGAIN?

Christ Baptist Church
Sir, the parable is teaching repentance. although the son left, he never ceased being the Father's Son.

This parable in no ways in context denies or teach against the Doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints...

---john9346 on 1/30/18


In your Calvinist terminology to be dead is to be unsaved, and to be alive is to be saved, Y or N? Notice the Father said " My son is alive again" So he was alive(saved) at the beginning of the parable, was dead(unsaved) he went out of the father house and lived in sin. Repented and was alive (saved again)when he return home. So we have the son alive, dead, and alive again, in other words saved, unsaved and save again!

Christ Baptist Church
Sir, your contradicting the parable.

The father said in vs 24 and 32 was dead, not was alive went dead, and now alive again...

The father said was loss not was found, went loss, and now is found again...
---john9346 on 1/29/18

Luke 15:24 and 32,

24: "For this my son was dead, and is alive again, he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry."

32, "It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again, and was lost, and is found."

What am I contradicting?

Christ Baptist Church
The parable is a "Beautiful Depiction." of God's Heart towards sinners... It really conveys God's Joy and Welcoming towards undeserving Rebels...

I believe, Lk 15
---john9346 on 1/29/18

Especially, when he allows you to leave(Father, give me my share of the estate. )and loving waits for you to return "For this son of mine was dead and is alive again, he was lost and is found. So they began to celebrate."

Christ Baptist Church
"Jesus was ask why speak in parables. He answers:"

But is the parable you raised "Prescriptive." or "Descriptive." yes or no?
---john9346 on 1/27/18

Descriptive. In your fallible man made interpretation of the prodigal son what is the meaning of the story?

Christ Baptist Church
john9346* Reuben"

Notice, you do not address the context that clearly states the differences between a dead and living faith...

The only time in scripture it has faith alone together!

john9346* Lk 15 regarding the prodigal son is a parable and it is descriptive not, "Prescriptive." its only a parable an illustration...

Jesus was ask why speak in parables. He answers:

13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because while seeing they do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand...

16 But blessed are your eyes, because they see, and your ears, because they hear.

John I pray that our eyes be open and our ears so that you can understand.

How Was Christianity Maintained
john9346* What they taught was "Infallible.",

So when did the "infallible" stop??


It tells us "If we confess our sins" Are you saying they taught that you go to Jesus only? That verse does not say that.

john9346 *"The OAC did not also teach Bible Alone, faith alone , OSAS,"

False... please proove this assertion?

Bible Alone: Acts 15 disproves the doctrine of sola Scriptura.

Faith Alone: James 2:24 " We are justify by works and not by faith alone."

OSAS: Luke 15:11-32 in the parable of the prodigal son, we can leave home and die then return and be "Alive again"

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